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radautoworks:
Any time! It's facts not flattery.

I am humbled......God bless us all and give us wisdom. Cheers.

radautoworks:
This is one of the most level headed, objective and eloquent write ups I've ever seen on Nairaland! I wish I could hire you as my NL mediator ROFL! If you ever swing by the shop I owe lunch!

Thank for the "flattery." It is just my unbiased and factual perspective based on available info. I will hold unto the " indefinite open cheque." I will drop by without notice if my "hustle" brings me to your vicinity and if I can actually locate it. Would be nice to actually see the shop and be given a tour too if company policy allows. Cheers

mrlien:
Once again, you’re missing the point.

You are paraphrasing Amdman’s response so I am quoting him now so it’s clear. He said ‘The car you bought was a 2006 vehicle. There is no way I will tell you that the car has no rust at all.“

He obviously sent that video to the customer When he inspected the car. I hope you can see that him denying it here when he actually said it (no matter what he was actually referring to) is very problematic.

Him sef knows how it looks which is why you see he never referred to the video or rust issue again after the video was posted.

My question to you remains that if there was no video, wouldn’t you say his customer lied?

Him denying it and not even apologizing to the client for calling him a liar is wrong.

I would advise you read my comments again but this time slowly and with an open mind. You seem to have a focused opinion and it appears to be clouding your judgement.
These were Amdman's exact words ( you conveniently neglected the last sentence) "There is no way I will tell you that the car has no rust at all. Rather, I would usually indicate whether or not it is something that can be fixed." And then he concluded the whole response with "Whilst we always appreciate candid feedback so that we can improve, it is important that it should be factual. If any of my remarks above are untrue, please permit me to buttress them with screenshots of our chat....." i took the liberty to quote verbatim. Pay attention to the bolded and then try and read my post again and maybe you would have a clearer understanding how my inferences were arrived at and stop picturing me like a partisan Amdman supporter.
I repeat, there is a chat between them that we are not privy to that suggests the issue of rust was discussed so don't assume blatantly as you have repeatedly done on the matter especially as his response was not rebutted.
I am not arguing whether there was rust or not but rather that along the line it appears the buyer was later possibly intimated or they had a discussion on it!!!
This is obvious from the buyers post "In the video review of the car you sent to me, you clearly said there was no rust, and I took your word for it, even when I showed a friend and he pointed out a rust to me, you waved it off as nothing serious.
Mrlien, my position is not a difficult contraption. You just feel you need to score a point that I am missing a point which I am clearly pointing out is misleading based on limited info made available. Can we just simply agree to disagree without you issuing assumptions about you feeling you know people's line of thoughts....
Do have a good day. Cheers

mrlien:
You’re not understanding. Jesterfly quoted him verbatim and Amdman categorically said that he never made that statement. Amdman didn’t say ‘Yes I made it but I only referred to the interior’, he said I never said and couldn’t have said that.

If there was no video, you and others will call his customer a liar.

With due respect you do not know me well enough to assume what I would have said or thought! That is overly presumptuous at best.
Limit your thoughts to the video and observe exactly when the comment was made, your subconscious should highlight my thoughts. Permit me to thinker a bit: if you are sent the exact video and he had said there " there was a bit of rust" would your natural response not be "where is it or I can't see any?" Think along this line and you just may get how my inference was arrived at and while at that kindly go through the comment again and I observe where Amdman expressly said something like "he never said that but rather said it can be fixed" and requested for permission to post their chats which has not been granted. This suggests that the video was prior their chat (hence why I mentioned in my 1st post that the video may be generic and not specifically recorded for the buyer) and that the in the chat btw them rust was possibly mentioned!
Finally, if I may indulge you sir, did you observe that the issue of kick starter was also not mentioned in the video yet both parties acknowledge its possible existence. What does this tell you? Certain things where discussed that we are not fully privy to sir.
I try my best to be careful with my choice of words so when you are not fully privy to somethings it is better to make inferences based on what info is made available to you......this will help you a lot in life. Cheers

If you want to address me please kindly do so directly then we can "educate" ourselves reasonably. I wonder whether the inner door frames are no longer made of metals anymore or haven't been known to have issues with rust! Or sense is lost in that?
And I think there is a clear difference between sentiments and undeniable inferences.......an objective person would know.
People should learn to read to comprehend rather than read to respond!
This is not a team me vs team them argument and I neither have made acquaintances nor have links with either party.
Snide remarks or comments are deployed by cowards!

I have been following this thread from day one and witnessed the "highs and lows, the attacks and defence etc." Eversince I realized lot of people on nairaland are actually younger than I thought and immature, I try my best to refrain from interfering in issues to avoid "pig fights" especially with presumed kids behind keyboards. However, somethings are clearer when we avoid unnecessary complications and look at issues more objectively!

These are my candid thoughts on the issues, my opinion:
1. Codyella, your position is grossly tainted with hypocrisy (no pun intended).Don't get me wrong pls, this is more worrisome cos it is mostly subjective and fueled by emotions and dragging the gender issue into it hasn't helped either. I believe you work hard to earn your money and should not feel nor be made to feel because you are a woman anyone would look down on you or take you for a ride! My opinion is derived from the following inferences:
a. Are you aggrieved.....obviously Yes.
b. Do you have a right to be......Definitely.
c. Did you present your case....Ambiguously/mischievously.
d. Have solutions be proffered.....Expressly
e. Did you accept any of the solutions.......No
The above then begs for a serious question: What exactly do you want?
You have been offered an alternative for a full refund plus expenses incurred (if you can proof such). Someone even suggested you resell to him and you outrightly refused all! which suggests perceived value for money. And despite you repeatedly stating you were done with the matter, you subtly find a way to still come back and make "one last volatile comment." Your actions suggest an underlining issue that may be more than what we all think and I am afraid what we may be seeing are "symptoms" and not the actual "sickness."
You also give credence to what Amdman said somewhere " that you only came here when he refused to bear the cost of a new battery" which may suggest a "revenge or pull him down" motive.
You should also understand that the onus of proof lies with the accuser and unfortunately you have not been able to satisfactorily ascertain the case of missing items (you have actually kind of evaded this) nor repair expenses incurred but rather given credence to what Raduautoworks mentioned (and based on what I know, she is no novice in the field so her opinions can't be discounted with a pinch of salt) i.e you may have been a victim of a dubious mechanic (trust me I have experienced this in the past) and compounded issues more with an unfounded fraud accusation.
You have mostly acted based on emotions which is perfectly understandable if you feel what you got is below agreed expectations but I think it's time you act more objectively.
Finally, I observed with interest how you evaded Amdman's express request to present chats that you both exchanged which would have either supported your claim or discounted his rebuttal.....this is very strange for someone seeking to justify her cause.

2. On Jesterfly, I had to watch the video multiple times and requested a few of staff and friends to do same and give their opinions. Strangely, we all had the same perspective. The aspect of no rust in the video was clearly referring to the interior that was being displayed at that particular moment. That was very clear and I wonder how it was easily misunderstood. Maybe you later asked about rust issues, that I can not opine on but the inference is made from the video you posted. Also Amdman claimed in your chats he never said there were no trusts but rather it was fixable. I also observed the video appeared to be a generic inspection and was not particularly made for you. I may be wrong on this though.
Particularly, if you had no bias according to the so called "guy code" whatever that means and had no hard feelings then you shouldn't have brought your matter up at all. Bringing it up now is quite ambiguous in intent and maybe suggestive of a subtle mischievous underlining intent even when you have said there is none. Also, the moment you mentioned your experience along the Benin expressway, I was no longer surprised at the multitude of issues you had afterwards. Anyone familiar with that terrain would know how those "criminal" elements operate. My experience wasn't pleasant at all. The second, I had already learnt! Story for another day. Coincidentally, you also evaded Amdman's request to publish chats between the two of you!

3. Amdman, it is quite unfortunate that there is a general consensus on one issue about you: your communication is fundamentally flawed and you appear to have been unable to noticeably improve on this! And trust me, for a man in business and who appears to have integrity, this is a conflict and you have no excuse!!! Your customers and prospects appear to be like " patients waiting for HIV test results!" Who are constantly put in hypertensive mode. Communication is the life wire of every business and it's not what you can treat lightly especially when you are not physically present. It gradually erodes trust in transactions.
Codyella, insinuated that there was a prior conversation on having a "perfect" buy and drive vehicle before purchase and if this is true, and the issues raised genuine, then unfortunately you fell below standard and that could be the bane of her grievance. I believe she is of the opinion you intentionally mislead her into taking an uninformed decision and this cannot be lightly discounted under any guise. In my opinion but at your total discretion, I think you should reach out to her like the gentleman you have repeatedly proved to be and if possible (this is totally your prerogative) offer to bear part of the expenses she has incurred. This doesn't make you a lesser man but rather boasts after sales integrity and helps nib this unfortunate incident in the bud. Take note of certain criticisms, absorb them and use the energy to drive improved services.

4. Others, in our bid to either support or antagonize either parties, we shouldn't lose our element of humanity! The insults, counter insults, gender vantage points and gender attacks were totally unwarranted and help in no way at resolving an issue capable of undermining the good work Amdman has been trying to achieve. It causes more harm than good. In business, criticism helps in evaluation and strategy redirection and should be appreciated. Like they say " there is no negative publicity" and quite frankly we should all be worried if there are no objective negative feedbacks cos that would suggest Amdman's business model is perfect and requires no improvement which we all know is practically impossible.

Cheers all as I possibly resume my incognito mode.

Hmnnn......just when one was pondering on diesel fueled automobiles

cdz:
Thank you. I'm surprised you read it to the end but I'm happy you consider it useful.

It is a good read......only natural one would read to the end.

Beautiful unbiased write up......

From personal experience: Panasonic or Westpoint. Cheers

How does it work?

How can u even compare both! One looks like what was professionally conceived backed with an in depth innovation while the other looks like a "make them know say na me get am" shoddy job! Ofcourse the new logo is in a class of it's own......

A conscious drive for continuous improvement will get us there hopefully......

talk2odim:
Is this a duos?

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Bye bye to PS 4 and drastic drop in price loading....

Is this a duos?

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talk2odim:
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talk2odim:
Beautiful infrastructure on ground.....

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I think jiji should just focus on fully being a paid listing site and stop the gimmicks! It is very obvious from their modus operandi that is the preference, no need to be cunny about it......