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@Davidylan,

Simple error that is very frequent from pretty much every poster . . . the only problem is the "s" placed after "pay".

It is not a simple error when it occurs everytime the person constructs such sentences.  It shows a fundamental flaw.

You dont need the "?" . . . this is an informal forum. Most times i skip it.

Maybe. But with the other issues already pointed out, you will excuse if one gets a little more critical, especially for someone who is to be paid to teach the language.

- The first one was wrong - "am" should be "i'm" . . . and i already mentioned that.

Your point?

- "like you lot" is CORRECT. Please expand your vocabulary. Example - I'm amused by you lot.

That is bad use of the word.  There is nothing like "you lot". "sorry lot" and "bad lot" are used differently.

- "I have a meet with the" is also CORRECT if meet is used as a noun there. Again expand your vocabulary . . . what if i said something like this . . . "i have an appointment at a high school meet"? Would that be wrong?

Question.  Did she use it as a noun?  If your answer is a "no", then I wonder what your point is. The word is used as a verb in the sentence.

She may however have meant to say "meeting" and simply forgot to add the "ing".

I applaud your desire to believe the best of her.  However, with the backdrop of the Kwara teachers that I mentioned earlier, I find myself a little more critical of things like this. How you can mistake meeting for meet is beyond me.

@Davidylan,

Can anybody give me an idea of how much the international schools in Nigeria pays, schools such as British International School. I have just been offered an appointment as the head of English Dept in one of the International schools in Nigeria and I have a meeting to negotiate the contract next week. As I am in the U.K, I will like to have an idea of what they will be paying so that I can negotiate fairly.
Hope somebody out there has an idea.

Thanks all.

That is noteworthy considering the title of the thread was changed from that. Same error consecutively means there is problem somewhere. By the way, where was the '?' ?

Tx, I have actually called a friend to help find out some facts and also I have been in touch with some other meaningful people. I just thought since am part of this group I could seek counsel from good friends like you lot.
I have a meet with the head of school next Tuesday and I promise not to sell myself cheap!
Thanks a lot.

Need I say more?

@Davidylan,

Don't come here and disgrace me o. From the title of the thread which is now corrected, to every post made by the poster, you will find issues, and some consistent.

beebop:
Look if it was just one or two typos, who cares. Everyone makes them at some point, especially on an online forum. But someone posts asking information on a position as the Head of an English Department for what's sure to be an expensive school and her (or his) syntax is wrong, grammar structure is wrong, her (or his) English sounds like some yahoo yahoo boy trying to figure out some new scam.

I thought it was funny. That's all. I don't much care but with the supposed level of education the original poster has, it doesn't take anything to compose a correct sentence. I might have some typos in this post but this took me 2 mins to write and I don't even have as much education as I assume the poster should

I feel you big time!

@stalliontp,

Your post suggests you are nothing but an attention seeking dolt. I have done you more favor than you deserve by giving you 30 seconds of my life. Go back to what you know to do best - giving your gentials the attention you seek from others.

seun001:
i think Tayo-d is absolutely correct.In ur field,u should exercise the patience to correct mistakes and in this case her sentence construction is flawed.while i think the hammer might be a little bit hard,i also think it served its purpose.

this is a forum so u are entitled to write anyhw u deem fit but when u claim to be a teacher of any subject,then u gotta play the part.period

Thanks for the input.  It still baffles me how some cannot see beyond this to the larger issue I am trying to bring attention to. Maybe it's because of the reflection that my points are bringing about. I know it is hard to be a self-critique, but sometimes it is necessary.  I didn't mean to be hard on the poster. I only responded to the person who decalred earlier that her errors are acceptable.

Dovent:
U guys are complaining of gramatical errors when someone is trying to seek your opinion on a personal issue. It only shows u dont have a good sense of humour, even if the poster made a mistake, your correction was to harsh for such a polite post. U need to watch your attitude, because people with such act dont go far, I pray you do.

As I mentioned earlier, this was not meant to be cruel to the poster.  Let's assume for a moment that this was supposed to be funny, can't you and others then see the humor in my response?

joxiri:
@ tayo D
this is a blogging forum if people cant feel free to express themselves here where can they? seems like you dont even live in nigeria, "may be a wrong assumption" but her standard of english has not got anything to do with this thread, if you are interested in improving english standards then go to nigeria

All she wants is some advice almost 70% of the threads on this site never reply straightforward to a topic all she wants is some advice people should not criticise her english, are the people employing her stupid or what they will always find ut f she is crap

I am just frustrated at how people never answer a ? directly on this forum all they do is criticise something about a topic. these are the attributes that hold nigerians back. If people dont have a response to the topic they should not talk just keep quiet and let people with reasoable and constructive responses reply,

People are arguing abt standard of english, the poster has not even been back like she really cares what you think about her standard of english.

Let's put your response in perspective.  You accuse others of responding to a thread without a straightforward reply to the topic.  My question is this: how have you provided the poster with the information she seeks?  Maybe you should remove the log in your eyes before venturing to remove the speck in others.  You will do well to 'do as you say', don't you think?

Every reasonable person knows that every topic, though with a central theme could snow ball into something else.  That is what has happened here. I will ordinarily not begrudge you for your repsonse if not that you did not apply the same rule to yourself.  You responded to my post and failed to see that I did same to another's.  What a joke.

FBS:
NL, oh NL. . .
@Tayo-D: You stated some very valid points.

Thanks. It's good to see that some people can reason beyond their feelings.

Am Alone:
@Tayo-D No offence meant oo but you b CASE!!!!


File! File, Filayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy FILE! Its don jazzy agaiN!

Thank you. And how would you describe yourself?

Akpangbon:
Tayo - D


YOU ARE A GOAT

Now that's an irony. What with the accusation coming from a pig.

icicle:

wats goin on b/w tayo-d&skinless? r sparks flyin? ur fight is so interestin!

anyways, tayo, i tink d americans call 'meeting' meet. Also, 'head of school' simply sounds _funkey(b4 u shoot me, its deliberate).

let the fight continue,

I'm not here to fight. I don't massage my ego through putting others down. I discuss issues and that is what I have done so far on this thread. But I can readily reply in kind when attacked.

@topic,

I get lost when discussions go beyond issues and turn to an egoistic attack on personalities.  Someone started this thread with a simple question, and others have responded addressing that issue. Beyond that is the fact that another noticed the grammatical errors and terrible construct of the Poster's english.  This will ordinarily not be much of a problem if the Poster was applying to lecture mathematics. But that is not the case.

I provided links here to show why I am concerned about the Poster taking up a teaching job in naija. It has nothing to do with her person but on a broader topic of the standard of education in the country.  At what point do we call for an uncompromising minimum standards from those that should teach the next generation?  Of course this does not matter to others on this forum.  That our Universities now produce Graduates who cannot read or write English makes no difference to them.

I still stand by everything I have written here. To those who think typographical and spelling errors are the same as the inability to construct good english, I leave you to your folly.  May you be blessed with more of the same.

@Xavier and skinless,

The difference is that I am not going to head up the English Dept of a school.  And if I do, I am sure the kids will get more for their money.  You two can keep propping up the same mediocrity for all I care. My point is well understood by those who want the best for our schools.  Someone who makes an error in spelling is much differnet from one who shows a fundamental flaw in english writing.

"I am going to shcool today" is much different from "I am go to school today".  The former can be excused, the latter cannot.

skinless:
i am not the same person , be careful , as we can all point out other ppls mistakes ,

A careful look at your style of writing suggests you are not the same Immabel. Afterall, Immabel still showed some understanding of how to use her commas and full-stops. That is not the case with you.

No one can convince me that your use of commas is a mistake. It most certainly is not.

@skinless,

[quote author=Tayo-D link=topic=267828.msg3821556#msg3821556 date=1241468350]This is not about making words funky nor is it about abbreviations. Her sentences show some fundamental flaws that goes beyond typographical errors or mispellings as you stated. It's quite alarming that you and others could try and excuse this. What next but to excuse the 259 teachers from Kwara![/quote]

skinless:
@ Tayo-D


mispellings = misspellings

I have the strange feeling that you are the same Immabel with a new username. With just two posts on nairaland attempting to justify your lack of understanding of basic english writing, I may be excused for thinking so.

If you are able to understand the things you read, you will not so much compare my spelling mistake to the fundamental flaw you showed in your writing. I have made my point clear and you can keep switching IDs if it helps you feel better.

xavier3:
people do make typographical mistakes in d rush 2 respond 2 a post or create a thread. just coz u feel lyk completin ur wordz and blastn ur lingua franca so boldy without errorz doesn't mean dat odas who dont do dis r a dunce in english.
i lyk 2 make my wordz funky, does dat make me a dunce? abi if i bgin blast pigeon shey i enta dat category

This is not about making words funky nor is it about abbreviations.  Her sentences show some fundamental flaws that goes beyond typographical errors or mispellings as you stated. It's quite alarming that you and others could try and excuse this.  What next but to excuse the 259 teachers from Kwara!

xavier3:
xactly wat i had in mind. d poster shouldn't have 2 proof d worthiness of deir degree 2 any1 by blasting vocabs dat wil cause some people 2 start checkn deir dictionary.

The beauty of english sometimes is in its simplicity.  No one is asking for big grammar.  But for someone coming all the way from Europe to teach in Naija, much must be expected. The role of Expatriates is to impact knowledge that indigenes may lack either through inadequate exposure or abilities.  I seriously don't see how this woman fits into that. We might as well go pick teachers in Kwara State for much less.

joxiri:
her english has got nothing to do with this thread all she asked for was some advice, if you are clueless then dnt comment

Of course I'm clueless that anyone who reads her post will not bat an eye.  How can the country move forward when non qualified people are allowed to be teachers? A recent topic on nairaland discussed how over 250 teachers in Ilorin could not even pass a Primary 4 exam - https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-200154.0.html. Exactly when should we start insisting on some reasonable standards?

@Monkeyleg,

@ Nosa-Henry,

are your comments really necessary? and by the way I fail to see the error in the posters English. This is not a forum to criticize people for asking simple humble questions.

Of course the comments are necessary. I wish her would-be employers will see her written english. This is enough to deny her the appointment. Why should she be given the task of teaching our future leaders how to speak and write english, and she is found wanting in constructing simple sentences. I would withdraw my child from that school if I realise the teachers are this clueless about the topics they teach. Why put so much money to waste? Can you imagine a Professor of Physics unable to state Newton's laws of motion! This is a similar scenario.

If you've failed to see the errors as you stated, then you need to go brush up on your english language as well. Writing the stuff aint the same as speaking it.

@bawomolo,

it's funny the tayo-D's of the world who cringe about paying taxes and abhor welfare are quick to tell a woman she must have a baby. na you go take care of pikin?

And its funny that the bawomolos and Obamas of this world who talk about an era of personal responsibility think it appropriate to kill the consequences of your willful action. Unfortunately, this involves the termination of human life!

@pres-elect,

yes, i feel you. but do they really support abortion and homosexuality or do they allow gay people their rights and women the right of choice. . . .there is a difference between pro abortion and pro choice

First of, you need to jettisson the thought that marriage is a right.  It certainly is not. A State certified marriage license which they seek, like every driver's license out there is a State priviledge. A right is not authored by and cannot be given by man or any State. They are not being denied any right. They can sleeep with whomever they want,. but the State does not have to give them any license to do so.

And since when did a woman's right to choose metamorphose into her right to commit murder.  Their rights to choose ends where the rights of those babies begin. You cannot infringe on another's rights through insistence of yours.

@pres-elect,

What law did they break? You cannot criminalise opposing point of view, especially if it is from a qualified Attorney General.

You call water boarding torture? If it was, CIA and other military officers will nto be subjected to it in training. So if another Administration comes in tomorrow and declares that the use of electric stun guns on people is torture, are you going to call for all cops to be prosecuted?

No physical or psychological harm was done to those terrorists. You might want to prove me wrong if you have proof otherwise.

@Richy,

I think the GOP needs to start some serious soul searching.

Since you will not let this matter rest, let me throw in the first grenade here.

The person who needs some soul searching has done so and has made a decision I think is in his, and the Party's best interest. Thanks to him, my two kids are already owing tens of thousands of dollars without anything to show for it.

Was it not Jesus who said: "I wish you were rather hot or cold"? There is no middle ground in this. You are either conservative or you are not. It's good to know that what we have in the RNC is all-conservatives. The Party has been doing badly ever since Bush decided to go middle of the road. Middle of the road didn't help before and it is not going to help now. I will be happy if someone can point out if I am wrong on this.

By the way, should I go wear my armour? Or all I need is a bullet proof? Or is a flexibility of the order of President Bush be adequate to dodge your next attack?

@Richy,

I'm curious that we agree on this, or is it the case that you never were a fan of Sen. Specter?

Can't you just let it rest at that? Don't you like the peace that comes with the agreement? Must I provide details that will make everyone pick up their nukes, guns, shakabula, or suicide belt as the case may be?

@adconline,

Also remember that US won cold war over Soviets by strongly espousing and defending American values like, free society,deomocracy, and capitalism etc instead of towing the line of communism.

@oyb,

the long and short of it comes down to the first line - the torture memos proved that the US sacrificed its moral authority for nothing

What values and moral authority are you people talking about? I can't believe we are here discussing the morality of physically inconveniencing known and confirmed terrorists, especially when the information obtained clearly helped to thwart another 911 style terrorsit attack on US soil. Are you guys for real?

I don't understand the kind of morality that seeks to make a guilty, convicted and unrepentant terrorist comfortable while making the killing of absolutely innocent and defenseless babies in the womb a State policy. Can someone please reconcile both for me?

@RichyBlack,

Excellent news!

I agree.

Is this a basketball game?

@davidylan,

You didnt get my point at all, i wasnt referencing the embargo in that line.

See you accusing someone of staying on point! Where did I talk about embargo or relationship with Cuba?

So you share Obama's opinion that the US has a lot to learn from Cuba about taking care of the poor?  You agree that the US is basically a force for evil in the world?  Do you understand the implications of Obama's words that say just that?

@pres-elect,

and were u aware that the most important information got from that khalid guy was got before the torture even started?

It will be good to be informed before making statements as the one above. Even Obama was not so bold as to declare that the enhanced interrogation techniques did not work. Now here is some information for you. You will find the link here: http://connpolitics.tv/index.php/2009/04/16/bush-torture-memos-released
A May 30, 2005, memo says that before the harsher methods were used on top al-Qaida detainee Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he refused to answer questions about pending plots against the United States.
“Soon, you will know,” he told them, according to the memo.
It says the interrogations later extracted details of a plot called the “second wave” to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into a building in Los Angeles.
Terror plots that were disrupted, the memos say, include the alleged effort by Jose Padilla to detonate a “dirty bomb” spreading nuclear radiation.

i think he should have prosecuted them somehow. bush prosecuted the perpetrators of abu graib, which was the right thing to do. i dont know why obama chose to leave those in this case . . . . .talk of justice. . . american way

I really thought you are smarter than this. But it appears anything Bush makes liberals jettison reason. How can you compare a rogue soldier who committed attrociies for the fun of it to what the CIA did? The CIA reps carried out the interrogations after receiving orders from the Presidency. Keep in mind that the Attorney General expressly said those techniques are not torture and gave approval for its use. When you start to criminalise actions taken after due consultations with the AG of previous administrations, how would you expect anyone to carry out their duties even when the current AG indicates it is within the bounds of the law? Think my firend, think!

@Richy,

Even abacha did some laudable things. I'm sure many people will couch for the goodness of heart of Saddam Hussein as well. But to say the US has a lot to learn from these people? Oh my goodnss. I am speechless!

@Richy,

Why cant' Israel do the same?

In a way Isreal is doing just that. While they are not so much bothered by Hezbollah or Hamas, Iran geting a nuclear weapon poses an existential threat to Isreal. Through the IAEA, Isreal through the US has been calling for closer monitoring of Iran's nuclear work. We can all see how well that is going.

@RichyBlack,

What would you call a situation where a country actively funds, arms and encourages every element it can to destabilise and wage war against another country?

If Cameroun was actively arming, training and financing some militias in Nigeria to destabilise the country, would you consider it pre-eptive strike if Nigeria attacks Cameroun?

@topic,

Obama "used the three-day summit to express a tone of openness from the US, and he said on Sunday that he thinks other nations would be more interested in cooperating with the US if the country were seen as a 'force for good.'"

The Washington Post notes Obama ventured "so far as to say that[b] he felt the United States could learn a lesson from Cuba, which for decades has sent doctors to other countries throughout Latin America to care for the poor.[/b] The policy has won Cuban leaders Fidel and Raúl Castro deep goodwill in the region."

I'm shocked beyond words.  Obama in my opinion is clueless and absolutely a joke in making those statements in bold.

@pres-elect,

tayo have you considered the fact that some of those detainees might be innocent? some british citizens were arrested in afghanistan and sent to gitmo, they were later found to be innocent, returned to britain and now the islamic extremists are using that as a useful weapon in their extremist propaganda and it is working.

Of course there will be innocent people in Gitmo, just as our criminal justice system have convicted innocent people who were either put in prison or some executed. Things like that are bound to happen and only God can fully reward and compensate the innocent in this case. As long as there is due diligence in identifying those that should be detained in Gitmo, I have no problem with it. The fact is that majority that are in that prison are there justifiably. Infact, those that have been released havebeen caught on the battle field and some have ended up as suicide bombers.

The extremists don't need that situation to continue in their propanganda.  They have always found every reason to justify their koranic-based hatred for anything western. How many people were held in Gitmo that justified the 911 attacks?

always try to see both sides. torturing does not keep america safe. it hurts the country and does no good. the US can be protected without it. all it takes is to maintain strong security. period.

My guy, information is very vital in keeping safe. If those no-good son of devils have such information, I justify any means necessary to glean that information out of them.  Are you guys aware that the enhanced interrogation methods you are talking about were only used on very few and high profile inmates?  You talk as if that is the norm for all the inmates.  That is simply not true.

@Richy,

At this time, you should be able to know when I am kidding around. Na today me and you dey debate for nairaland? What are you so uptight about? Chill out.Okay.