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@topic,

I can see she is learning well the politics of Obama.  Divert attention from your inadequacies by creating a class warfare.  Either pit the rich against the poor, wall street against mainstreet or in this case, Nigerians-in-Nigeria (NINs) against the Nigerians-in-Diaspora (NIDs).  This war was fought before on nairaland, and just like Biafra, the ghost won't go way.  Check out this site please: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-72759.0.html

@bawomolo,

The red scare has been replaced by this.  Communism isn't scary anymore, liberals are the new freaks.

What can I say. I have been sligtly influenced by the liberals all around me? How else can i explain adopting their strategy of identifying their opponent, freezing it, isolating it, demonizing it and finally destroying it.

Heck, let them have a dose of their own medicine! 

@Justgood,

Its nothing new. Everything about you is known by the authorities anyway.

What do you need to hide anyway?  Aint you a good steward of the State?

It human beings who work in the offices where your data is kept. I was actually thinking about our democracy a few days ago and I realised that we have no freedom with our democracy. The democracy is just about going to vote once in 4 years.

And thanks to the DNC and their lackies in form of the Workers' Union, we may not even enjoy that as much.  Now they are planning to have workers vote in full view of the public.  No more private voting.

The guys come and tell you when/how to drink, when/how to discipline your child, etc. No one has a right to be initiative again. . . it's what keeps our western society in order but we dont really have any more freedom than those in other parts of the world.

Welcome to the liberal world!

@Davidylan,

I was shocked to discover an alarming fact this morning, i can actually spy on my own home from virtually any computer anywhere in the world simply by typing in my street address on google maps!

It's been there forever. Good news is that you can call Google and have them remove the pix of your house.

To all those who live in Europe and the US especially, it might be imperative to be very careful who and where you leave your street address with, anonymity has finally died a slow and peaceful death. Welcome to the cyberworld.

Still better than a world with the liberals in govt.

@pres-elect,

i have always known u to be someone sensitive to a personalisation of debates. i took a shot at chenney and u made it personal by attacking me, albeit indirectly. i wont care if somebody else said to me that a person who needs a psychiatrist is doing better than me, but for u to say it to me, i get upset b/c i know i've had to apologise to u for saying something other people wont mind me saying about them but for which u took offence. anyway, if i say chenney is mad, the best i expect of u is to say he is not mad. dont make statements that suggest i'm more mad. let's keep the debate ''official''. thanx

I'm really sorry you took an offence to my statement. It wasn't meant to be one. Believe me, I hate personality clashes with every fiber in my being. I suppose your saying Cheney needs a Psychiatric assessment is not founded on a medical prognosis. My response is basically saying the guy is in a more enviable position than you do, at least social and professional wise. I'm not aware that Cheney really needs some help.

And as an addendum, if you are so sensitive to people calling you names, why then do you do same to others? Even though Cheney is not here to defend himself, he still deserves the baisc respect afforded to evey human being. Just a thought.

also, thanx for ur advice on job hunt. i'll give it a thought.

You are welcome. My statement I believe, is viable only when the free market is allowed to play it self out. It becomes obsolete when govt reulations steers the direction of the market. It is based on that premise that I really find it hard to believe what many black people here give as excuse for not getting better. The American system was built on capitalism. What should drive every business is the desire to make a profit. Any enterpreneur will hire you irrespective of your colour, race or religion ahead of others if you can prove to him you'll make him more money. That is the beauty of the system and I think it is being destroyed now.

i should be in the states by august. however, i see a lot of selfishness in ur statement or perhaps i should say, lack of concern. b/c while u may be getting job offers, ur statements tends to suggest that high unemployment we hear about was made up by the ''liberal media'' . if u have a job, just know there are millions of americans who lost their job in the last one year and there is a crisis now.

See, I don't mean to be insensitive. This curent economic situation affects everybody, me inclusive. For instance, one of the reasons why I really can't move now is that my house is worth about $100,000 less than what I owe on it right now. I will have to come up with that amount if I am to sell and relocate. I can't do that. Being in the management team at her work, my wife's income was recently cut as a cost savings measure. I know family and friends who have lost jobs and others who are thriving in this economy. My concern is what is the best way to get us out of this problem? The solution atimes might seem inhumane which is what you guys always accuse Republicns of, but we need to be practical in our approach.

however, u talked of war, with great spending, keeping the money at home( and dead bodies abroad) being a good option, are you not then admitting that spending can jump-start the economy? and if so, is it not better to spend on bridges, roads infrastructure etc, than war machines that do no good?

I did not admit what you have claimed. I only made mention of it in relation to Keynesianism which is a liberal's wet dream. War is not an issue that borders on economics, but on survival of a society. Do whatever is required to win and sustain your society is my creed.

As for building roads and infrastructures, how will those be maintained? I believe every infrastructure should be self-sustained and if those you build become a burden on the tax payers, it is not worth it in my opinion. Users must pay for the use of those infrastructures. Taxing automobile users to subsidize the transportation of the rail users is immoral in my opinion.

@9jaganja,

I hate people when they talk about this global warming crap. Why don't you have an earth hour all day of the year? You drive a fuel guzzling SUV, turn on your heater and AC all through the year, Leave your PC and other electronics on all through the year, and you only turn them all off one hour a year? You are just deceiving your self. I didn't participate in the Earth hour. My apartment stood different from thousands of apartments in downtown Toronto cause I took my time to make sure all my lights were on and my stereo bumping Fela while I smoke my ganja on the balcony with my flat mate. Earth hour ko Earth hour ni. My lights are rarely on anyways so let me take this time to keep them on for one hour!!!

I just love this guy. While all the drones were busy following Al Gore, Al Gore's house was lit like a Christmas Tree during that time. May God deliver us from this communicable disease called 'conformity".

@Mowire,

Looks to me like the NLC is selfish and somewhat incapable of learning from experience.
1. What %ge of Nigerians of working age regular salary jobs? What will happen to the vast majority who are either self employed, employed in the informal sector or outrightly unemployed when rent and other prices start to go up as a result of this increase they are demanding?

2. What was the effect of previous increases? Did it make life better for their members?

I think they instead should be fighting for policy measures that will make life more affordable at the present rate: infrastructure that will make the cost of production in Nigeria cheaper, improving the value of the naira. Policies that will increase the purchasing power of what they presently earn without killing those who will not benefit from this their demand.

I must say yours is the only sensible posts have seen on this page so far.

All this entitlement mentality is killing our country. How can you ask for an increase in pay without tying it to a coresponding increase in production? How can the govt or any employer sustain such a model? Our people need to come to understand that you get more when you produce more. Simple.

Does that mean I will have to pay my cook, maiguard, gardener, driver etc N52,000 a month just to be at par with minimum wage? You know what happens when I am forced to pay that? I start laying people off.

@pres-elect,

my bigest concern in this day, is the economy. this summer i'll be thru with studies, where is my fate. can i get a job? etc. if the western economies continue to fail, i'm worse for it, as an immigrant.

Forget that story. I keep getting job offers almost every week. I got a job offer in Carlifornia about 3 weeks ago, and even though it was tempting considering the nice weather compared to Minnesota, I dhad to turn it down. Why? Too much taxes. Even though I'll make more than I do now, I'll end up having less in my pocket. So I say, thanks but no thanks.

Let me help you with your job search. Prove to any employer that for every $1 he pays you, you will make him $5 and see if he will not higher you immediately. Do you now appreciate the role of the enterpreneur in the market place? Obama and co have demonized them without their followers realising that it akes those Enterprenuers for them to have a job.

so who will handle this economy better? obama or old john? we both know the answer.

I'm not sure we are on the same page here. If you mean Obabma will do a better job, I do not agree. What has he done so far except triple the national debt after 2 months in office! He is taking over businesses when he has never run one in his life. At least I can give him kudos for one thing, I have the right to now call the White House whenever my car breaks down! Heard what he said yesterday about GM and Chrysler? He is now talking about Bankruptcy. This is what we recommended months ago but he had to put us further in debt before he realised it.

these days the republicans cant even talk of old john with pride.

to tell tou the truth, it is people like Old John who are killing he Party. Constantly compromising on your values to appease the opposition erodes the support of your base.

their strategy is just to say no. and after much challenge from the whitehouse, they manufactured their magical budget proposals. magical because it will solve all america's problems without tackling it at all. budget without numbers, that is a world record. they should be given a chance.

Can you point to any budget that the DNC produced while Bush was in Office? It is not their job to create a budget. What is the point when Obama will not even accept it? Their job is to lay out principles which I elieve they have done over and over again. But of course, una no see am.

and to propagate their stane, they change history, FDR's new deal was no good. the 2nd WW solved the problem.

Was FDR's new deal any good? How much job did it create? What effect does it have on todays's budget? Could you tie those deals to the founding documents? Even Europe that we consider more liberal aint buying Obama's spending spree. I can't believe I will witness the day when Europe is more financially conservative than the US. Obama changed that in a few days.

can the republicans run any organisation without talking war? if obama is spending too much(according to them) is war not going to be more expensive without being productive.

I am not an advocate of war, but if you guys believe in govt spending to revive the economy as advocated by Keynesianism, war is the best scenario to practice it. After all, most if not all the weapons and machineries are sourced and produced locally. The money spent remains in the economy and does not find its way abroad. So far, AIG has spent a lot of the bailout it received on foreign soil.

please. and pls try and do something about the RNC chairman. he is becoming a burden to u guys. and chenney needs a psychiatrist urgently

We are not liberals. We believe in individuality. Let the RNC chairman be himself. He is not a cookie cut from the form of conservatism, even though liberalism's aim is to make everyone else conform to a particular standard. By the way, I am not a Psychiatrist, and I can bet that Cheney is doing much better than you.

help him out

@davidylan,

I will give you a simple example - should government regulate vehicle emission standards and control abuse of prescription drugs?

Just a question too.  To what end is the regulation intended?  And if the emissions are bad, why don't we kuku eliminate cars and every thing that emits CO2?  Govt is regulating or has banned the use of cocaine.  Does that stop its use and abuse?

Pls dont make me laugh. Rush Limbaugh? That uneducated loud mouth knows nothing.

You have imbibed the ways of a typical liberal.  Attack the person you disagree with even though you can point to no issue and provide a superior argument.

What do Rush or Levin know about DDT and its deleterious effects on the human body? Take a look at Africa where government is not responsible for health care nor do we regulate exposure to pollutants . . . we have a far worse life expectancy while that of America has steadily risen over the yrs. So shld the government simply have abandoned everyone with lead in their homes? Should they refuse to regulate the dumping of nuclear waste? Should the government look the other way when it comes to exposure to dangerous chemicals?  Should the government remove its flammability standards for homes? Should government stop regulating the water and air quality standards? Should government scrap the FDA and let us deal with salmonella on our own?

I find it hard to sort through the clutter you have written above.  The best way to deal with this is to declare your framework and we can discuss that.  Each item can be dealt with based on that framework.

Yeah Rush indeed! And you wonder why African's with no governments are not Mr. Levin's pride.

Again, you confuse a conservative stance to that of an Anarchist! 

Nigeria's problem is that we have no government at all!!! Will Mr. Levin prefer that system? Government is basically the reason Africa is in the doldrums and Asia, North America and Europe are streets ahead of us. Are there no private enterpreneurs in Nigeria too? Why are they not thriving?

You always get things wrong.  Relax a little bit and understand the isues.  This is not about no govt, it is about the govt carrying out what its legitimate role is.  The govts you are mentioning aint carrying out their legitimate roles. I dare say, it is the private sector and the entepreneurs that are upholding these societies, in spite of the govt.

That is rubbish. If Mr. Rush and co earn 50 times what i earn just to make noise on radio then why shld we pay the same tax rate?

Why don't you go make that noise and get paid just like that.  You think he would be paid for that much money if he wan't providing any services?  He is not your Senator Obama.

Do you really think the CEOs on wall street work harder than the old woman at your local walmart simply because their paychecks say so?

So you think the janitor at your school should receive the same salary as your Professor.  Listen to yourself.  If that is the case, why don't you pay the next guy who shines your shoes $5,000 for his service? 

What would Mr. Levin recommend we pay as tax? A flat rate where the rich continue getting richer and the poor get poorer or we scrap the tax code altogether?

The rich are not the poor's problem.  There is room at the top for everyone.  This notion that the poor are poor because of the rich is the greatest killer of initiatives I have ever known.  There isn't a single pie in which your share reduces by how much I get. You need to jettison that poverty mentality entirely.

and after scrapping the tax code we blame Obama for the deficit no?

Who should we blame?  Bush?  Are the rich to blame for the expansion of govt?  Why should they pay more to sustain the govt when they receive the least govt benefits if any at all?

@topic,

For the sake of being misunderstood, let me clear the air on a few things. I know the natural inclination by the nay-sayers is to call me names and do same of Limbaugh. I am not a Limbaugh-apologist. I don't get hung up on personalities. My issue here is what the guy stands for - conservatism and freedom (really this is one and the same thing).

While I have thrown out this challenge, I will apreciate if anyone also tells me who they'll prefer I listen to. Who articulates the liberalism that you guys have pitched tent with? America, nay the entire world is at a crossroads right now. We need to discuss issues and jettison this personality clashes that is the order of the day.

I welcome contributions from y'all.

I took the Limbaugh challenge during the last presidential campaign. I had to listen to the guy when Obama paid millions of dollars to air blatant lies about this citizen. I couldn't help but wonder what makes this guy tick so much so that a near "saint" in the person of Obama has to lie to impugn his character. To my pleasant surprise I must say, the guy is a solid commentator of current events and an unapologetic conservative. I will like to challenge everyone here who has made him an enemy due to the soudbites they've heard, to tune in to his show for one week and get a first-hand impression of the guy. No doubt most have judged him without even knowing him.

Here is a piece in the LA Times throwing forth the same challenge.

If you are reading this newspaper, the likelihood is that you agree with the Obama administration's recent attacks on conservative radio talker Rush Limbaugh. That's the likelihood; here's the certainty: You've never listened to Rush Limbaugh.
Oh no, you haven't. Whenever I interrupt a liberal's anti-Limbaugh rant to point out that the ranter has never actually listened to the man, he always says the same thing: "I've heard him!"

On further questioning, it always turns out that by "heard him," he means he's heard the selected excerpts spoon-fed him by the distortion-mongers of the mainstream media. These excerpts are specifically designed to accomplish one thing: to make sure you never actually listen to Limbaugh's show, never actually give him a fair chance to speak his piece to you directly.

By lifting some typically Rushian piece of outrageous hilarity completely out of context, the distortion gang knows full well it can get you to widen your eyes and open your mouth in the universal sign of Liberal Outrage. Your scrawny chest swelling with a warm sense of completely unearned righteousness, you will turn to your second spouse and say, "I'm not a liberal, I'm a moderate, and I'm tolerant of a wide range of differing views -- but this goes too far!"

There is more untruthfulness in that statement than in a speech by President Obama. Even the commas are self-deceiving. You're not a moderate or you wouldn't be reading this newspaper. You're not tolerant of a wide range of views; y[b]ou are tolerant of a narrow spectrum of variations on your views.[/b] And, whatever you claim, you still haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Which leads to a question: Why not? I mean, come on, the guy's one of the figures of the age. Aren't you even curious? I listen to all your guys: NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, The Times, the New York Times, the New Yorker -- I check out the whole left-wing hallelujah chorus. Why are you afraid to spend a couple of hours listening to Limbaugh's show and seriously considering if and why you disagree with him?

Let me guess at your answer. You don't need to listen to him. You've heard enough to know he's a) racist, b) hateful, c) stupid, d) merely an outrageous entertainer not to be taken seriously or e) all of the above.

Now let me tell you the real answer: You're a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. You're terrified of finding out he makes more sense than you do.

I listen to Limbaugh every chance I get, and I have never heard the man utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word. Do I always agree with him? Of course not. I'm a conservative; I think for myself. But Limbaugh, by turns insightful, satiric, raucously funny and wise, is one of the best voices talking about first principles and policy in the country today.

Therefore, I am throwing down my gauntlet at your quivering liberal feet. I hereby issue my challenge -- the Limbaugh Challenge: Listen to the show. Not for five minutes but for several hours: an hour a day for several days. Consider what he has to say -- the real policy material under the jokes and teasing bluster. Do what your intellectual keepers do not want you to do and keep an open mind. Ask yourself: What's he getting at? Why does he say the things he says? Why do so many people of goodwill -- like that nice Mr. Klavan -- agree with him?

The mainstream media (a.k.a. the Matrix) don't want you to listen to Limbaugh because they're afraid he'll wake you up and set you free of their worldview. You don't want to listen to him because you're afraid of the same thing.

Don't believe me? Well, then, gird your loins. Gather your courage. Accept the Limbaugh Challenge. See what happens.

I dare you.

By the way, am I the only one that is unable to modify my posts? I see some errors I will like to correct but unable to do so.

@Davidylan,

I have still not read the book. Waiting for my copy to arrive in the mail. So my responsehere will not be a defence of Levin, but a reflection of my understanding of what I think he intends.

Unfortunately it seems Mr. Levin also wants us to roll back society to 1900 when we had no aircraft, used horses as primary means of transport and danced ballet in the streets. We can no longer shy away from rules that regulate society, as "mind numbing" as they seem, they shld be credited for giving us a fairly safe and orderly society. Imagine what life would be like if there were no strict rules on food safety, control of prescription drugs and drugs of abuse? What if there were no copyright rules, no flammability standards for housing materials or vehicle emission standards? Does Mr. Levin want to live in a city like Lagos with its pollution problems?

Mr Levin is no Anarchist. So remove the notion that he doesn't want order in the society. What you have failed to understand is that consumers hve the power to punish a producer who does not consider all these issues in their business. For instance, prove today that all of Wlamart's goods are lead based and could kill the consumers. Believe me, you don't need govt legislation before Walmart runs out of business if they do not change! Consumers have the ability to dictate to the producers what they want and how they want it by rewarding those who produce what the consumers desires with sales. The market can regulate itself if left alone. While I know you will refer to lack of regulation under Bush, I will plead with you ahead not to bother. It was govt regulation that encouraged the subprime mortgage phenomenon. And guess why people creaed all those product derivatives on the loans? Because the govt promises Freddie and Mae that they will back up all their risk. So in effect, it is govt regulation that encourage the situation that created the global financial meltdown.

This is mere wishful thinking. The more complex man's life has become no thanks to the modern gadgets he continues to build, the more difficult it must be to adjust his life around a more complex world.

Listen to yourself David. So you think the people in Washington will do a better job at making you life better than you can? Give the individual more credit than that. Can you tell me what the govt is involved in that they have basically not ruined? I don't understand all this govt is the messiah mentality. It is killing us in naija and we want to adopt it in the US! From all indications, the founding fathers were very critical and sceptical of the govt. The opposite seem to be the case in these days. No wonder Levin rightly called them Statists?

Mr. Levin is being deliberately mischievious. I doubt he really cares about malaria in third world countries. Unfortunately the environmentalists are right and Levin is wrong. DDT has a very very long half life (up to 30 yrs in soil) and bioaccumulates in fatty tissues of the body. Both organochlorine and organophosphorus chemicals can be very strong mutagens . . . and would have burdened the tax payer with even more health care costs with no regulation of the use of these pesticides.

What I believe he is refering to is the law of unintended consequences. Remember that Rush refered to this in his "first natianla address to the nation." Liberals reach for a goal in the hope that it is good for the people. Unfortunately, they overlook the consequences of those actions and we are never allowed to expose them. This is like the biofuels that they recently pursued. While they claim they are saving the planet, lots of people over the world were starving because they have to compete with cars for those food items. Food by definition should be consumed by people, not cars.

More wishful thinking.

What's wishful thinking there? You believe it is justice for one person to pay 20% in taxes and another to pay 50% just because he works harder and has become more productive? Why punish success and encourage mediocrity?

@pres-elect,

i have never been enthusiastic about the environmentalist movt. perhaps, at last we have something we agree on.

Perhaps.

however, when u say liberalism is dead becuase pelosi's book didnt sell, or conservatism is thriving because your man's books sold, i laugh.

What is your interpretation? Peaople like RichyBlack sugests that conservatism is outdated and has received a dead blow. Yet the conservatist talk show hosts have millions on listeners that the liberals are envious of. The liberals attempt to counteract this followership is not to compete with educational and entertaining programme, but to legislate the death of the conservative radio through the so-called "fairness doctrine". Perhaps, they know their stance cannot and does not appeal to common sense but emotions.

first of all, i dont believe in all this encasement of ideologies into liberalism or conservatism. if strictly followed, i belong to neither. i simply follow common sense. something that is lacking in the day and age.

The so-called Republicans today are not following conservative ideologies. That explains their predicament today. Conservatisnm is common sense. I have often said that on this forum.

secondly, someone can sell a book b/c he is popular, or is a great writer. even if he wrote rubbish. some pastors in nigeria can write books and fill it with chapters on nothing but repetitions, and it would sell greatly. so, try another argument.

In this time of fiancial hardship, I don't think people will be buying a book that does not fill their hunger for the topic it discusses. The only reason why those Pastors books will sell is because they must be discussing something that the people consider important. Maybe it is about prosperity, or healing. You know our people are always expecting God to do a muiracle.

but know that the majority of americans have rejected the republican/conservative/small (inefficient) govt/rich-get-richer/poor-try-survive ideology. and until those guys start using their common sense first, they may remain in the doldrums for ten to twenty years.

What Americans have rejected is big govt which Bush represents. Unfortunately, Obama represents bigger govt. Tell me, how do you expect the poor to get richer? Through govt handouts or through self development and production? Bush gave the poor a sense of being rich by succumbing to that community development act, which hands the poor properties they cannot afford. The end result? Global meltdown! So you see, the Republicans do not even represent conservatism. They may be closer to it than the DNC, but they certainly do not put it into practice.

@topic,

Still anxiously waiting for my copy of the book. In the meantime, I found some oline review of the book at: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/24/books-liberty-and-tyranny-a-conservative-manifesto/

Mr. Levin wants to roll back the modern state to what it was about 100 years ago. Put simply, he thinks government should exist only for the preservation of ordered liberty, or civil society. This leaves no room for a federal bureaucracy that endures and expands no matter what party controls the executive branch.

The administrative state Mr. Levin would like to destroy is described as follows:

"It administers a budget of over $3 million. It churns out a mind-numbing number of rules that regulate energy, the environment, business, labor, employment, transportation, housing, agriculture, food, drugs, education, etc. Even the slightest human activity apparently requires its intervention: clothing labels on women's dresses, cosmetic ingredients, and labeling. It even reaches into the bathroom, mandating showerhead flow rates and allowable gallons per flush for toilets. It sets flammability standards for beds."

Mr. Levin contrasts his vision of limited government aimed at preserving ordered liberty with the aims of modern liberals, whom he has renamed "statists." The statist builds a "culture of conformity and dependency, where the ideal citizen takes on drone-like qualities in service to the state, the individual must be drained of uniqueness and self worth, and deterred from independent thought or behavior." Contrast the man of the modern state to the individual of Mr. Levin's civil society who "is recognized and accepted as more than an abstract statistic or faceless member of some group; rather, he is a unique, spiritual being with a soul and a conscience."

Mr. Levin charts the expansion of the American state over the past century or so. He points out how the 17th Amendment, ratified in 1917, stripped the state legislatures of the authority to appoint senators and thus deprived them of a meaningful role in the federal government. He derides President Franklin D. Roosevelt's view that there should be a second bill of rights and blames his presidency with creating not only modern entitlement programs but also a school of thought that reads foreign meaning into the Constitution.

Some of Mr. Levin's toughest language is aimed at the environmentalist, whom he calls the enviro-statist. This chapter begins with a debunking of Rachel Carson, the author of "Silent Spring" and advocate against DDT pesticides. Mr. Levin forcefully argues that Miss Carson, in the name of stopping cancer, indirectly caused the deaths of millions in the Third World who perished from the malaria carried by mosquitoes DDT helped eradicate.

"The Enviro-Statist poses as a defender of clean air, clear water, penguins, seals, polar bears, glaciers, the poor, the Third World, and humanity itself," he writes. "But he is already responsible for the death and impoverishment of tens of millions of human beings in the undeveloped world."

Mr. Levin dissents. The conservative manifesto at the end of the book calls for a radical shrinking of the state, from the abolition of the progressive income tax to the sunset of all independent federal agencies at the end of every budget year. Mr. Levin wants to revoke tax-exempt status for environmental groups and neuter the national teachers unions.

@topic,

12 milllon! What's the big deal with that? To be honest, any employer who plans to bring me back to Naija must be willing to pay that much per annum before I can even think to begin thinking of probably considering accepting the job!

Looks like a lot of people are already acquanited with these jesters. It's all good anyway.

@DeReloaded,

In your pocket of course

Feeling cool

@DeReloaded,

small ring

Where is yours darling!

oops

Thanks Ebony. How did you embed the video. I couldn't get it to work.

This is just a very hilarious video.  I love every second of it and thought I should share it with y'all.  Besides, its got a very great message for us guys: "If you like it, put a ring on it".  Thank God I recognized my own Beyonce and quickly put a ring on it before one useless swagger jacker spoil show for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hTkRokQPY

Guys, time to throw your rock sign in the air.

@courage89,

Let me try to set your thinking straight here.

I equate buying corporate Jet to greed because it is done at the detriment of their laid off employee. My understanding is that these banks currently possess more than 4 fleets each that takes care of their daily business activities, so why buy more at this time. How many more fleet do you need to service your business, when you're not in the airline business.

Do you think buying a jet is like walking into a car dealership, picking up the car of your choice, and walking out after writing a cheque? That they are receiving their jets now does not mean they just bought it. They probably placed an order for those jets no less than a year ago and would have put down an irretrievable and hefty downpayment towards the purchase. They would have lost all that money had they refused to take the jets. It is even possible that they would have had to ay the full price even if they refuse to take delivery of it. Did you consider this before jumping to such a conclusion?

Do you guys know how many people has been laid off from Bear sterns (JP Morgan) and Citibank combined all in the name of cutting cost. Most of these laid off employee are loyal employee that have been with company for more than 20 years. They have mortgages, kids that they support, they have life that depend on the expected corporate income. Imagine if you or your family member have been with a company for more than 20 years, you've build your whole life around the company. Your boss called you into the office, told you they have to let you go because market crisis is affetcing their daily business and they need to cut cost. Four weeks later, you find out that the bank is using part of that proceeds from cost cutting activity as a down payment on a luxury Jet. How would you feel?

Forget all that story about people being laid off. Corporations are set up for one purpose and one purpose only, to make money. If those employees could make them more money at this time, they will surely keep them. Why retain employees that become a liabilty rather than an asset? That is the beauty of the free market system. It does not respect your race, religion or sexual orientation. It is guided by one rule only, the desire to turn a profit. No employer will lay you off during this recession or at any time whatsoever if you can prove to that employer that for every dollar he pays you, you will make him a profit of $2. It may sound cold, but that is just the reality of the market place.

Also, we all know how much these companies received under TARP money. The purpose of TARP money is to fund revival of the economy. To increase liquidity within the business industry and consumer spending. These funds was and is to be utilized judiciously to bring laid off employee back to work. Most of these financial institution pushed for TARP money on the premise that Mortgage crisis, CDS, ABS and all other securitization are having their toll on their general asset. How is buying luxury corporate jet going to change this? Is buying a corporate jet going to increase revenue by 10-20%?

And is retaining employees whose services are not in demand or unaffordable in the market place going to increase revenue by 10-20%? Why don't you have us all get rid of our computers and hire people to do the work that computers would do more efficiently and quicker? The same concept applies here. The jets are business tools required to get the job done. If the enterprenueurs think it does not help them to make money, they will get rid of them quickly. Nothing is more important to them than to make a profit. I expect you'll son tell our President to get rid of his jets and rather give the money to the unemployed!

I am of the opinion that corporate mogul have specific responsibilities they have to attend to especially when they are receiving Tax Payers money to do business. They have to make sure they stand by and retain their loyal employee especially when these employee needed it the most and when they (corporate) have means for it. I don't work financial institutions, nor do i have family members that work for them. But, we hear stories everyday of how people loose their lifes, homes, families over this corporate lay offs. My yearning is not about corporate bodies buying luxury jet, but corporate body doing more to embrace their social responsibilities.

A CEO's objective is not to keep an employee around; rather it is to keep the company around. You cannot keep an employee around at the expense of the company. My company recently let about 3 senior managers go because their goals and vision was considered detrimental to the company. Our President took a decision he considered in the best interest of the company. His job is to look at numbers and make intelligent decisions free of his emotions. It aint easy, but that is what he is paid to do. This is comparable to a President signing the death sentence for a citizen who's actions is considerd a threat to the well being of the country.

A free market place by definition is not guided by social considerations, even though the society benefits from its success. People who tampered with the free market place are largely responsible for the current mess we are in. When the corporate world is muzzled by the govt to give out loans to people who can't afford them in order to alleviate a perceived social injustice, you end up with a subprime mortgage which is at the root of the global meltdown. The poor and disadvantage you now claim to protect are the same people who will bear the brunt of the wahala. Talk about the law of unintended consequences!

@osisi,

can a local govt actually move a mad woman with a baby to live with the alleged father whether he likes it or not? unbelievable.

True! but what is more unbelievable to me is that they arrested the father's brother in lieu of the real perpetrator.  Can you beat that?

but if it's his,let him handle it

I agree

it looks like the sex has cured the woman sef

No its not the sex.  It appears it's the childbirth!

now that she's been delivered of baby Sunday,they should try for Friday his younger brother

Abeg make dem no try that o.  If the first childbirth brought about a 180 degree change.  What if another 180 degree change occurs with the birth of Friday? No be madness again be dat?! 

@DisGuy,

They can use the money for the baby, let them organise bring you own drink party

This can be done without compromising the former!

@Dis Guy,

dem swear ceremony for us? wetin!

Why shouldn't they celebrate?!  Like someone said: "Life in all its basest form, is still superior to death"!!!

@topic,

Is this for real?!

@courage89,

How does a businees tool equal corporate greed?

@RichyBlack,

So well put. Thanks.

Unfortunately, those are not youngies' words. Why people don't reference their sources is just criminal.