₦airaland Forum

@savanaha,

I thought Sarah Palin wasn't that smart but after watching things like "Right America feeling wronged" and the clip on Aljeezer about how Pentacostals feel I shook my head. I too am a christian but in my opinion  Palin's hollier than thou act was just an act.

You formed your opinion of Pentecostals from what you watched on Aljazeera?  It's like forming your opinion about what America is like by listening to Osama Bin Ladin.  I don't know Palin's heart, but she strikes me more as an everyday person who is just trying to balance family life with her career.  I am more comfortable with her than Obama, McCain and Hillary.

@Depilot,

It's a good thing that they're white ,God fearing, gun-toting, patriotic Republicans. Can you imagine for a second, the moral outrage that would have been on display from the likes of O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter and all the other conservative commentators had this be[/b]en Chelsea Clinton, of heaven forbid, one of the Obama girls? The conservative right in America has an incredible tolerance for hypocrisy, and very little appreciation of irony.

The above quote caught my attention.  Is it not funny that all the Left has to offer is the phrase [b]"had it been"! I wish anybody has a concrete proof that shows exactly what these folks said or did in situations like this.  But we know for sure what the Left did to Palin and her family and it wasn't pretty.  While all they have to say is "had it been" , I can readily point out situations with them and make such comments like: "I know".

And by the way, it is the same people being accused that actually stood up to show empathy.  How they could turn around and still be accused is beyond me.  We may stand for morality, but it doesn't mean we do not support and uphold those who fall short.

@Depilot,

Please keep all that information to yourself. I will rather be smoking my something than read the public information you are feeding me!

@savanna,

I don't doubt you but is there somewhere you could direct me to that talks about Obama being concieved out of wedlock. Also I think compared to the proud redneck that Bristol's baby daddy is, Obama Snr married Obama Jnr. mother atleast for a while.

I'm sure you will find the information online if you search for it.

See each circumstance may be different, but these are people and their lives that we are talking about here.  I am usually amazed at the way people like Palin are abused and accused when they seem to fall short of the high standards they profess.  I am a Christian and I know I fall way far short than the ideals I profess.  Does that mean my ideals are wrong or not attainable?  I don't think so.  What it means is that I will continue to strive for perfection even though I am falling short of it at the moment.

No one knows what happened btw Obama's parents.  Maybe the guy was threatened to marry the woman, maybe not.  Either way, I do not blame the parties but commisserate with them.  However, I will still be a lead advocate for avoiding sex prior to marriage.

@savanaha,

Wait wait wait a minute. When did Obama's father become uneducated or did I read you wrong? Also I might be grossly misinformed but I thought that he was married to Obama's father and they got a divorce then she married another man. Further more I also thought they met while in college

You are right that Obama's Dad went to college, but you miss my point.  My point is the typical way DeReloaded just categorises people and summarily dismiss them as a no-gooder!  Obama's father could very well fit that mold is what I was getting at.

I said Obama was conceived out of wedlock, not born out of wedlock.  These are two different things.

@Depilot,

Are we comparing Obama to this low-life, no class and red neck?

You are obviosly a racist that should summarily be ignored.

you must be smoking something.

Thank you!

@DeReloaded,

a raving lunatic

My mouth no dey that one o.

@pres-elect,

no one in my family has been pregnant before marriage   not one person  . . . not that we are so righteous, or that we marry as virgins(i'm still a virgin though) but b/c those among us who do the thing . . use enough contraceptives . . .

Question!  Are contraceptives 100% failure proof?  You obviously don't live in the real world or you are protected from it if you can't find anyone within your extended family or circle of friends who got unwillignly knocked up either as a teenager of before wedlock.  So tell me, why do you still remain a virgn? Isn't that the virtue you will teach your children (if you are no eunuch) as agianst them knocking up anything that moves?

hey, we are not better than bristol morally, but i believe she would have done better if there was sound sex education, not just about abstinence but also prevention of diseases and unwanted/teenage pregnancies. now here comes another teenage mother

I was making fun of a colleague at work yesterday.  She just had a baby and I teased her about having another one.  She retorted by saying this one was a blessed mistake? Do you think she lacked comprehensive sex education for this to have happened? Lkewise, a cousing in her early forties just had a baby last year through another "blessed mistake".  Her husband happens to be a Nurse here in the US.  You think he lacks sex education too?

@DeReloaded,

he cant marry her but he can knock her up? Her grand-son is now half "no money/education/connections"

Maybe if she wasnt busy poking her noise in other people's family values, she would have taught her kid to be careful

I was praying the baby woiuld turn out black sef

I see osts like this and I shake my head wondering why I bother at all. And yet I will still bother. Please someone should stop me.

Have you ever given it any thought that Obama was conceived out of wedlock? Did it occur to you that his father was "a no money/education/connecions" you mentioned? Do you realise that Obama is half black? Exactly what is your point?

@Ibime,

there is no such thing as jargons, only jargon.

Are you sure?  Don't try to over-extend yourself.  You are done with your intelligent post for the year!

@DeReloaded,

I wouldnt consider Coulter "noble" even Mccain's daughter thinks she's disgusting

That is why I put her on the same pedestal with Ibime!!!

@ibime,

MY FRIEND SHATTAP!

That is an improvement.  At least you were light-hearted about my response!

So now that you've made your yearly sensible post in the above quote, we should brace ourselves to be inundated with more jargons from you for the rest of the year 

@Ibime,

My friend shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaap!!!!

You oddball fanatic of Palin, Limbaugh, Annie Coulter, Adolph Hitler

I can see you've put yourself in good company being a friend to a fan of Adolf Hitler.  As usual, I expect nothing from you but personal attacks and innuendos.  Your inability to restrain this caustic part of your nature is a detriment to the once in a year intelligent post you make on nairaland.

Shebi we told you the bitch was only playing happy families for the media since last summer, yet you were yarning nonsense!

If this conversation were not taking place online, I would definitely not be around people like you who use such vulgar languages to describe a woman.  You might want to address people with some respect even if you disagree with their politics.  We have a situation where a family is experiencing a difficult situation that most families around the world have to deal with, and here you are trying to score a cheap political point.  That is what I have come to despise in you leftists.  Every move, however noble it seems is basically for political gains.  It is not about the people, it is about politics.

Why do you rush to defend these extremists all the time?

I have not defended you have I? The people you've mentioned, except your hero Hitler have proven themselves to be more noble than you.  I have not heard them call people "bitches" nor have they cooked up stories and misrepresented people on national television.  While Obama is not guilty of the former, he is at least guilty of the latter! I wonder who is more extreme between you and Coulter!

@DeReloaded,

You just stated that abstience is taught part of sex education, now you're saying that it's not taught at all. Pick one, Tayo.

I'm saying abstinence is part of sex education but this is not what is taught and promoted in our schools. What is taught is more like prevention of sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy. Get my point now?

Her OWN kid laughed and claimed abstinence is a joke and unrealistic. some of us that are NOT republicans know that isnt true. Not that unrealistic esp in teenage years, apparently Palin didnt teach her that

She never claimed she was not taught but that she does not accept what she was taught. That is the difference. The best example her mom laid down was to not get pregnant out of wedlock. What other lessons does Bristol need?

Her "concerns" should have been placed on her kids first. It's one thing if she just made a mistake, it's another to completely laugh at/dismiss it.

Her daughter is an adult who obviously has her own mind irrespective of what she's taught at home. It's funny how everyone dismisses her independent mindedness and accuse her mom of manipulating her for political gains.

@DeReloaded,

You got personal by stating I was implying that she was hindering education for my kids. Dont have kids so I dont understand your use of "your kids"

I didn't know you are that sensitive. However, my point is not lost in the phrase I used. I will still like to know how Palin told anyone how to raise their children. This is the information I seek.

Yes it does. It does involve abstinence which is why it doesnt make sense how she and many Republicans are so against such teaching in schools yet at the same time have problems with teenage mothers going on welfare.

Her concerns like mine is that abstinence is not encouraged at all. Rather, a promsicous lifestyle is considered the norm. It takes a strength of character to abstain but our children are not taught that at all.
No one has a problem with giving welfare to people who deserve it. It is the abuse of the welfare system that concerns some of us. Besides,it is a known fact that conservatives are more liberal with their money than the so-called Liberals.

It will NOT stop until these kids are properly educated

These kids are more exposed and educated than you sef!

@Dereloaded,

Im not a parent so your comment doesnt make sense.

I'm not infering you are a parent. Just wanted you to back up your earlier statement with facts.

By voting against sex education in schools and screaming about only abstience, she's telling others how she expects them to raise their kids. Something she didnt pass on to her own children.

That's not so. That you teach your kids does not mean they will accept your values. Parents are not always to blame for their children's actions or lack of it. You don't think that sex education includes abstinence? That negates my holistic understanding of what sex education is all about.

If you know you wanna get personal just because we are talking about your demi-god Palin, I shall ignore you

I'm not getting personal in order to attack personalities. My intention of making this issue personal to everyone is for each person to put it in perspective. My first response here invited everyone, including myself to check their imediate families and circle of friends in order to avoid a hypocritical stance.

Pardon me if you feel offended. Attacking personalities is simply not my style.

DeReloaded,

suggests that Palin she tend to her home first before telling other women or parents how to raise their children. Simple

She told you how to raise your children? That's news to me. Want to share how and when she did that?

Until it can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the two teenagers were coerced by their parents to posture for political advantage, then I see no need to assume the worst of them. Besides, doesn't Bristol's public stance contrary to her mother's suggest she is an independent person?

If I am suspicious of anybody's motives at all, I will be for the guy. He was so excited that his mother-in-law could become the VP of the US that he could have been leeading the girl on just to achive that dream. Does anyone really think he will be so eager to break up that relationship had Palin become VP?

Like I said, this is no happy issue, and the Palin's only consideration at this point is what is in the best interest of their daughter and grandchild!

@all,

I am amazed by the sheer hypocrisy and self-righteousness you all have expressed so far.  Can anyone here tell me if they do not know anyone within their extended family or circle of friends who got knocked up before marriage? 

This is a tragic family issue that should transcend political posturings!

@pres-elect,

if only u read my post, you woulda noticed i said FDR's new deal did not stop the depression. but u just wanted to see something else. and if you guys like , continue to live in denial, just because of obama, u want to re write history that FDR;s new deal made no impact on the depression. hahahaha . . ebelebe

Of course it made an impact.  It increased the size of govt and got the US into more debt.

the 2nd WW obviously contributed to the slaughter of the depression but even b4 the war, the depression was already recieving serious halts from the new deal. . . i know u wont agree, that's ok. . . . since rush wont agree too

As usual, in an attempt to hide the fact that you are clueless of the issue, you pick your greatest threat and demonize him. You have mastered well the ways of the liberals.  If this is about any personality at all, it is about FDR's treasury secretary who should know better than your self-righteous pontifications.  In the event you missed it, here is what he said again:
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong ,  somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises ,  I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ,  And an enormous debt to boot!" - Henry Morganthau

reposted below

@pres-elect,

dow can fall into a pit . . . if it wants to . . . . after all, it didnt start falling today. it started with the republican white house. anyway, the fall will continue for some time. dow wont just jump up b/c obama is in the white house. it was inherited, it will continue for some time. even obama said so. but it would be disatrous in the future if nothing is done toarrest it now. the new deal didnt stop the depression immediately FDR got into office, but within a short while, things improved. same will happen now.

Who is feeding you all that nonsense about FDR's spending stopping the great depression! Have you ever heard of Henry Morganthau? He was FDR's treasury secretary, and here is his conclusion of FDR's spending orgy - "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong , somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises , I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started , And an enormous debt to boot!" - http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20081104085447.aspx You wish that Obama administration will learn from him!

i hear rnc chair mike steel has rushed to apologise to rush, for ''sinning'' against the god of gop

I don't know about that. You seem to know what is going on with the Party better than I do. By the way, who is the god of the DNC?

tayo, be careful o, make u no talk something wey rush no go like

Thanks for the advise. You might want to extend same to Obama to never place an advert in the national media in an attempt to destoy the reputationo f a private citizen, and that on falsity.

@Ibime,

@ Negro,
Stop attributing RichyBlacks quotes to me. Am I that heavy on your mind?

I wonder o.  I thot I was the only one that noticed.

Come on guys, stop bringing politics into the financial markets.

You cannot seperate the two entirely.  Policies are either market favorable or not.  The market has expressed so far that Obama's policy don't favor them.

DOW falls for many reasons.

True!

They plan to do a stress test on the banks - DOW falls
Sage of Omaha says that the economy is a shambles - DOW falls
The stimulus package is signed - DOW falls (because we buy the rumours and sell the news)
JPM announces that it is not going to pay out the expected dividends - DOW falls
Can a nikka catch a break?

Your list is not complete yet.
When Geithner opens his mouth - DOW falls

When Obama tries to do some Geithner damage controls - DOW falls

When Obama's prompter fails and he starts to stammer - DOW is knocked out.  

DOW will keep falling till we find out whats in the books. Presently the banking sector is worth less that the soft drinks sector. It is still the same problem we have been having since July 2007 - false disclosure!

And isn;t it foolish that the govt keeps pumping money into the black hole?  

I still maintain that sacrificing Lehman Brothers to the pressure of the media created a lot of moral hazard which has perpetuated itself to present.

Thanks for the new angle to this.  What is the role the media has played in all of this?

@David,

I've never portrayed him as a saint, he is human and there have been certain of his policies i flatly disagree with. My pointing out the others is not to paint Obama as simply one of them but to show that you people are being disingenous when you tar him with the very brush your leaders invented.

Oh. Which one of his policies do you flatly disagree with? So far, I respect Rush as a person than I do Obama. Obama placed an ad on national TV and radio based on outright lies on a private citizen. Rush has never done that to the best of my knowledge. In which case, Obama is below him on the scale of gentlemanly and honest conduct!

I've heard the "analysts" at Faux news make this same allegations and it again reaffirms one fact - you people simply regurgitate thoughtless and mindless republican drivel.

Funny enough, I do not have cable and have not watched Fox News in years.

Obama has been in office for only 37 days and the fall of the DOW is his fault?

To a great extent yes. What they trade on Wall Street is not just money ut confidnece. So far, the govt has not given them any confidence but in fact have scared the be-jesus out of investors. If his policies are good for business, they will be buying at this down time with the hope of recouping much more in the future!

Ok can we then say that Sept 11 was Bush's fault . . . afterall he had been in office for 9 months and Clinton handed over to him 2 WTC towers?

But there hasn't been any Sept 11 since that time. He was hit once and learned from it. Obama has continually been hit by lack of confidnece by investors and he still wouldn't change course.

Wait, are investors taking money out of the economy because of Obama policies (that will take some time to yield fruit) or because the economy itself contracted sharply in the last quarter of last yr or because most of the financial institutions Bush handed over are practically insolvent?

Even Obama cannot say that his policies or lack of it will yielf any fruit. Do you know what he does not know? Question, Bush experienced at least 2 recessions during his tenure, how did we get out of it? How about Reagan? What did they do to get out of the recession? These are blue prints that Obama or anyone can follow, but the desire to grow govt will not let them.

Would you not remove your money from AIG, US automakers, failing banks and troubled mortgage industries?

I would not if I feel the govt policies hindering them will be removed. It is stupid to remove your money from an economy you feel will rebound in the future. Seriously, I am thinking of cashing out my 401K and sending the money to Naija. Afterall, the naira is now trading at N170 to the dollar.

Where is the lending to small businesses that would encourage investors to put their money there? Yup just blame Obama.

Why would any one do business in a hostile environment created by the govt? The same people you are asking to lend money is the same guy Obama is painting as evil. They will rather go hide their money where Oama's hands will not touch it than have all the fruits of their labors and risk be taxed out by an insatiable govt!

@Davidylan,

Be consistent Tayo . . . are you also ashamed of McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Shaun Hannity and co for doing EXACTLY the same thing?

Is that an acknowledgement that Obama is no different than the people you mentioned? So you are very much aware what Obama did and you still think him to be the saint that he is being potrayed to be?

rubbish. And were all the above winners under Bush?

Check the Dow Jones today and compare it to where it was when Bush handed the economy over to Obama.  Did you ever stop to wonder why investors keep taking their money out of the market each time that the Obama adminstration articulates their plans for the economy?

What is this oft touted republican glib talk about big govt? Are you also having problems with it or just repeating talking points?

Of course I have a problem with big govt. It, like those lazy bones on welfare are subsidised by the hard work of a few of us.  You bet I have a problem with it whether under Bush or now that Obama has given the govt a shot of growth hormone in the arm.  And that growth hormone is no more than taxpayers money.  

ACORN? What have they got to do with anything? A large majority of the lazy couch potatoes are republicans who are also claiming to decry "big government".

Of course they have everything to do with it.  Didn't Obama promise them they will be making decisions together with him?  Didn't they receive money from the stimulus?

@pres-elect,

Under Obama, America, Capitalism, initiative, personal responsibility, enterprenueship, Dow Jones, the pocket book of america's unborn et al are the real loosers

Guess who the winner is: big govt, dead beat dads, lazy couch potatoes, ACORN et al.

Tell me, which side are you on?

@Negro,

That is a very nice piece. Very well written I must say. I agree with your statement that they continue to wrongly accuse him of what he is not. Even Obama did the same during he last election. To think I only started to listen to Rush when Obama falsely accused him of racism against Mexican immigrants. That accusation made see Obama as no different from all the other scheming liberals out there. He doesn't mind intentionally and falsely assaassinating a man's character for political ends. It is such a shame.

@Hauwa,

when did rushman turned to politician? his face looks like kkk man always frowning

What hs his face got to do with anything here? And by the way, are you sure your problem with him is with his face or his skin?

@Richyblack,

The Republican Party is dying . This would only, hopefully, hasten the demise of this anti-people pro-corporation party.

Please keep this statment somewhere close. I am sure you will eat them in about 2 to 4 years.

Those racist bigots must never be allowed to hold power unless they change their evil ideology and become more welcoming to groups other than Southern whites racists!

I will be more comfortable in the RNC than the DNC. I will be more comfortable around people who see me as equally gifted from God with as much ability to suceed in life as they do. On the other hand, the DNC will welcome me only because they feel they will be doing me any good. They look down on me thinking I need their pity and cannot suceed in life without their help! Those are elitist who attempt to feel good through oppressing people on one hand and lifting them up to the lowest rung of society. I will have nothing to do with them.

@adconline,

Would  you hire  a lawyer who is a drug addict to represent you in a case that might lead to death sentence?  Rush has an impaired credibility. He is against  tax hike on rich because  he is going to be affected. I rather believe Warren Buffet who thinks that  the wealthy should pay their fair share.

Again, an attempt to impugne the good gentleman.  Shall we ignore everything that comes out of Clinton's mouth because he is an adulterer?  That Rush had some drug problem due to an abuse of medical pain prescription only shows he is human afterall.  You cannot provide a superior argument and you take the low road of character assassination!  What is the rich's fair share?  Do you have an idea of the US tax  laws?  Do you know that all the charity giving of the so-called poor people are tax deductible but not the rich? Same with the mortgage interest payment and a lot of stuffs!  Think about it.  The rich are no burden to the State, ut rather subsidize it.  As Rush said in NY, 40,000 of the 6 million inhabitants pay 60% of the govt's operating budget.  That is les than 1% of the entire populace paying 60% of the tabs.  What is fair about that?  What is fair about you thinking you have the right to the fruit of another man's labour!  Are you a thief?

Would you hire a med doctor who claims to tackle everything from diseases, law, govt, politics,  and economy? No . Rush knows "everything"  but still refuses to run for US presidency to test his wacky ideas in the political fields of Iowa and NH.

Lame argument.  Many of my lecturers back in UI are not even registered engineers even though they trained me to be one.  Does that undermine their credentials.

He is opposed to expanding conversative base to include more people. He even took a swipe at intellectual conservatives- you know why ? They are least likely to subscribe  or listen to him.

You sure don't understand what this is all about.  Why don't you tell Christians to declare Jesus is not God in order to have more converts?  You cannot compromise your core belief just so as to achieve some transient goals.  You either believe in conservatism or liberalism, good or evil, light or darkness; and has Rush mentioned, where is the compromise between these extremes?

His stance on war on poverty as the longest US war contradicts with his mostly Southern followers given the fact that southern states are the most poorest states in the Union with strong GOP base. If Welfare state is the problem, why have southern states caught up with  some other states in terms of GDP and household income given the fact their governors are most likely to be 'anti welfare".  Let Southern states show us how  we can make it without   Uncle sam ?

If you guys are so into socialism, why don't you move to Cuba?  Tell me, who do you expect to pay for the welfare state?  The poor people whose intiatives are being destroyed by the entitlement mentality?

@Davidylan,

Dont quote me out of context, i simply said Rush is not the saint you paint him out to be.

Lightene up a little bit! You should know when one is kidding around.

Actually there are plenty of gaping holes . . . notice no republikid has been able to articulate ONE SINGLE fresh idea that the Obama admin could have taken instead of spending. A fox news analyst tried his hardest for 10mins to get Gov Sanford to bring one up and he kept going back to his usual republican red meat.

I am waiting to hear the details of that gaping hole. You might want to articulate and analyse them. How many ideas have been put forward so far that you guys either neglect or outrightly dismiss? The alternatives are staring at you in the face but you have refused to acknowledge them.

@davidylan,

How is he any different from Rush?

I'm sure Ibime will be offended by this statement.  Equating him to Rush is in effect calling him a fool going by Ibime's earlier statement. My mouth no dey for this one o  !

Is it because Rush tried to at least be civil since he was speaking in public?

Rush is always speaking in public!  And since the day I started listening to him (thanks to Obama's lies during the election), I have found out he is a very descent human being who articulates common sense all the time.  So far, no one has been able to pick any holes in his address, but they've resorted as expected to character assassination and denigration!

@Ibime,

The fool confuses a keynesian stimulus with a welfare program.

Your calling him a fool does not potray you as a smart person.  This goes right to the heart of what we are talking about. Attacking personalities is so easy and it diverts attention away from your inadequacies.

And by the way, do you call Obama's stimulus package a keynesian stimulus?

@Davidylan,

oyb i was merely repeating what lagosboy said. If we can damn Australia surely we can damn darhul islam too.

That seems very logical to me. Just as a logical response to burning a country's flag by Islamist is to burn a copy of the Koran.

@davidylan,

It wont burden them, they already know that their state legislations can reverse the increase in unemployment benefits when the stimulus money runs out.

That is not true. The stimulus requires a permanent change to their law. How will they sustain that on the long run? Raise taxes and further put a burden on the private sector?

@davidylan,

Arnold is a republican. duh

I said liberal spending, not democrat spending!  Double duh on you.  Conservatism and liberalism are not limited to Party affiliations.

Louisiana's share of the stimulus - $3.9b
Jindal is refusing - $100m
Percentage of stimulus refused - 0.03%
Percentage of stimulus accepted - 99.97%

Who is doing your mathematics for you.  That is almost 2.6% assuming your figures are correct!

Yeah he's a star not a hypocrite.

It's all about common sense.  Why accept a gift that will be burdensome on you in the near future! This is the foresight that many are lacking!