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@RichyBlack,

Why aren't the Arab states doing enough? Oh, I forgot, they're being controlled by lapdogs of the West - Mubarak is boy-boy to his masters in Washington D.C. and the House of Saud in charge of Saudi Arabia are just monarchical goons!

It's funny how y'all refer to the moderate elements who believe in dialogue as goons.  This stance clearly suggests that your peace-loving position is nothing but a sanctimonous facade devoid of any true affinity for peace.

@afam or is it afam4eva?

So, even scammers that use multiple IDs on this forum are even advising people on stocks? Wonders shall never end.

This is why you have been advised by several people on this forum to go get an education.  Where did I advise anybody about stocks on this forum?  You on the other hand, trying to prove intelligent only showed your ignorance by the advise you gave.  Next time, you might just want to shut up rather than spew nonsense about what you do not know about.  I'm glad you are beginning to see yourself for who you are - the village c um nairaland idiot. Your not responding to that obviously shows you have come to peace with your status.  Long may you reign as the nairaland idiot.  For someone who actively uses two usernames on this forum while stealing the identity of his football friends online, don't you think you are in no position to accuse someone of scamming?

The content in bold refers, forum users run for your life, this scammer has started again, this is how he defrauds people dropping names and making claims that are never substantiated while using different usernames on this forum. Once the admin finds out and bans him he quickly registers another.

You might want to start by telling the forumites the people I have defrauded. When you are done with that, we will have to inform the people whose identity you stole and put online on the danger they've found themselves just because they played on the same football team with you in school.

Beware, there are a lot of faceless criminals on this forum with fake identities and this is one of them.

Mine is a very popular face known for his professionalism.  People who are smart and have followed my discussions and opinion on professional issues here on nairaland can put two and two together to confirm my identity.  You on the other hand, are nothing but a wannabe trader of inverters in Oshodi.  I know your world is upside down since Fashola destroyed your stall at the market.  What can I say, your suffering continues  !

@Ndipe,

What are the repercussions if you don't pay off your debt to diamond bank?

For one, he will have to say bye bye to the stock he provided as collateral.  Depending on Naiaja's laws which I do not know, the bank might sue him to recover the balance of the loan, with possible interests and attorney's fees.

In a scenario where the laws of the land limits the extent to which a creditor may get his money back, the guy might consider defaulting on the loan and giving up his collateral if he feels it makes more sense for him financially.  One of the downside to that action will be his credit rating.  The Bank can have him blacklisted such that no other Bank will ever do business with him in the future.

A good friend in Nigeria manages one of the new generation banks in Abuja.  He told me one of his colleagues was sacked because of a situation like the above.  He managed an account for an individual who obtained a loan for about N200m with a collateral of N300m in stocks.  Unfortunately, the stocks are worth less than N100m today and the guy aint paying back.  So the Bank is left with a shortfall and the borrower reasoned that he will rather keep the money (possibly invested elsewhere) than pay back the N300m with interest.  That was purely a fianancial decision on the part of the borrower.

@tkb417,

go to adult classes. (Open UNi)

U know what? I have advised that guy called Afam to do the same thing several times. Infact, I have offered him free classes online, but he is so allergic to education.  You can try if you want, but I doubt you'll make a difference.  If you insist on going ahead with your free classes, I will advise you to tread very softly because the guy might end up abusing your parents in the process.  That is not surprising however.  Afterall, what more can you expect from the village cu m nairaland idiot.

@Cayon,

thinking to myself ****The world would certainly be a better place, if Israel was destroyed after the death of Jesus Christ******

Talk about anti-semitism. If Isreal could produce the Messiah, does it occur to you that the nation can't be that bad afterall?

Various untruths have being used over the years to persecute these people. From calling them Christ-Killers to calling them pigs and dogs for non-belief in 'allah'.  This antisemitic spirit, which interestingly is rooted in the spirit of the Antichrist, outdates everyone on this forum, the UN and the nations round about Isreal that are trying to annihilate them.

Isreal was, is and shall be forever and ever. And everybody say AMEN!

@topic,

This car has been sold for N1.7m. I understand the Buyer is from Abuja.

Thanks to all who responded to this post.

Cheers.

@lagosboy,

You talked of consequences and this is the same logic Al qaeda uses. The citizens of the US are guilty because they voted the Extremist Bush into power so whats the difference between what you are saying and what al qaeda is saying.

Americans are guilty of what by electing Bush? If anything at all, it was Clinton who was pursuing Bin Ladin to kill him prior to Bush coming to power.  What did Bush do to warrant the 911 attacks? If anything at all, due to Bush, Al Quaeda has not being able to strike the US.  

Israel cannot force Fatah on their palestinian people by calling them moderate. Palestinians don't want an israel/US stooge as their leader.

That's the problem with you guys.  The people who are ready to negotiate are stooges, while those who stupidly fight battles they cannot win while endagering the populace are heroes.  I am not surprised, afterall, they say dying in the way of Jihad is "sublime".

And the rockets are still going into Israel, few hamas fighters are been killed rather it is the civilian population israel is punishing for suppurting hamas. This is not right.

Again, that is the consequence of a war started as a consequence of an election.

The truth is there is a different view if the same action is done by arabs but when it is by the west and Israel it is ok

Absolutely. That is why you wonder why the so-called Palestinians are not bombing Jordan (who occupy 80% of the entire palestinian territory) or Egypyt who used to occupy Gaza.  Arabs can kill Arabs and non-Arabs while anyone who defends himself against them, like Isreal must be evil.

@Lagosboy,

I am afraid that is what democracy is "Govt of the people, by the people and for the people ". Majority carries the vote. Even if the people of a country vote a fool in it is their choice and must be respected. You cannot play double standard the people's will have to be respected. The americans voted Bush in for the 2nd term after he invaded Iraq and the world detested him. Does that mean his govt was illegitmate?

No one is pulling their hair out that Palestinians made their choice. Who gave them the oppportunity? Was it not Bush the "tyrant"? In as much a we respect their choice, we must also respect the consequences of that choice. I have said before and now repeat, elections have consequences. For a people who knew what Hamas stands for and sill chose them over other parties, we must respect and allow them to "enjoy" the consequences of their choice. The present Isreal action in Gaza is a consequence of the election of Hamas to power, while the calm in the West Bank is a consequnece of the moderate Fatah being in power there.

@topic,

Very thought provoking piece.  I've never looked at it from that point of view even though I've mixed with many Somalis here in Minnesota who could have possibly hinted that this was the case.  This is either a well-written fabrication or a point of reference in putting this piracy issue into proper context.

@Lagosboy,

The palestinians have a right to resist occupation!!!!!

In other words, Hamas has the right to send rockets into Isreal indiscriminately without regard for civilians. If that is the case, don't you figure that Isreal has the right to defend its citizens by targeting Hamas while carefully aiming to avoid civilian casualty?

@auwal87,

Even in FILMS we are watching, when an Enemy take shield with humans, most of the times, no attacks will take place at the place, normally, taking shield involves arresting people in one place and refusing to let them go where they like, which is not the case in Gaza.

During Bill clinton's era as President of the U.S, he sought to kill Osama Bin Laden who was also taken shelter among a civilian populace in Aftghanistan. A drone spotted Osama at a time and he could have being killed. The attack on Osama then was not authorised because of the fear of collateral damage. Unfortunately for the US, what they feared (civilian casualties) eventually hit them hard on 911.

I don't envy Isreal at all. They are between a rock and a hard place. They are bound to kill civilians when they strike Hamas, but failure to strike Hamas does not remove the threat on Isreali citizens by Hamas. So what do you do? I believe the current campaign is being waged to not only establish deterrrent, but to bring about a more reaosnable cease fire where the UN is actively involved in maintaining such ceasefire.

Isreal has proven it is ready for peace with any peace-loving neighbour. She exchangeg land for peace with Egypt and has proposed same with Syria. All Hamas' sympathisers on this forum should just use their leverage to ask Hamas to change their charter to destroy Isreal and accept Isreal's right to live in peace right there in the Middle East. That I believe will bring about a lasting peace. Isreal unilaterally withdrew from Gaza to show it is not interested in land grab as it does peace. But what does Islreal get in response, more rockets fired into it.

@klas,

@ babeisme
The bolded parts are relevant. Look before you leap. don't sack your current shipper yet. This is a force majure situation.

I agree.

@sleek_p,

Please don't, Richy "pawned you" already. What am not sure of is this, did richy drag you along so he can humiliate you so openly?
Don't start with me for I'll have you for dinner. The man made mincemeat of you and you should be publicly flogged for debating someone you know can out-think you. Olodo

I know your intent is to drag the debate into a personality contest. I have dealt with people like you over and over again on nairaland and never afraid to continue to do so. When your cup becomes full and overflowing, you will get what is coming to you.

@sleek_p,

Tayo repeated you said you were a Jew for like 10 times. If I were you I wouldn't have been so magnanimous in accepting his grovelling apology.
I'd have exposed the fraud that he is and  if I were Tayo I'd have considered a crash course in English. There must be night colleges scattered all around the US, he has no right to be STUPID.
Bruahaaaaaaa!!

Your post is duely noted and ignored.

@Cayon,

Funny how you as a "Christian" could blatantly write such TOSH.  As a "Christian" you need to know that's its not the body count( 500 Muslim vs 5 Jew deaths), its the brutality, inhumanity and massacre of civilians by Israel that must be condemned and stopped.  Isn't is ironic that after all this happening in front of all eyes that have the ability to see, Muslims are the ones who are being blamed for protecting their life and family. a sick world eh? tsk tsk tsk

Telling the truth sometimes might seem inhumane, but it doesn't distract from the koko of the matter - truth.  Remember when Judas was complaining that the perfume poured on Jesus was a waste of money and that the money should have been spent on the poor? Jesus' reaction was that "the poor you have with you always."  To somone who does not know any better, Judas must have appearead as a Saint while Jesus looked like the devil.  But we all know better.  I don't believe David's statement is becuase he has no compassion for human lives, he just stated what amounts to the truth. If certain things are not done, lives will continue to be lost. Period!

at least Islam holds Jesus in a much higher regard than Judaism.  To the Muslim he is a prophet. To the Jews he was nothing but a crazy beggar.

Don't ever say that about Islam and Jesus.  The Bible says whoever denies the Father and the Son (which Islam does), is an anti-Christ.  So what higher regard is that? I don't know where you got your information that the Jews think Jesus was just a crazy beggar.  You want to share that info with us?

All the mouth you have on here, why don't you take a walk or even park your car in Williamsburg, Brooklyn (predominant Jewish neighborhood)

What has this got to do with the topic at hand?

Notice i didn't say Israel vs Palestine because the whole world know this war is all about Religion.

RichyBlack, can you hear that?

It's so unfair that these people (muslim) are being stereotype.  If you ask me, i'll say they have it worse than blacks  now(if you know what i mean)

It's no one's fault but theirs?  There was a lot of rejoicing on Arab streets after 911.  Compare that to the Western world where people are instead rioting on the streets because Palestinians are being killed.  The fault is theirs.

@RichyBlack,

Thank God that's over! It's all good. I think we should read each post with more open mind and ask when things are not clear. Thanks.

That is true. But more noteworthy is your gracious attitude after being proved right. I wish debates on nairaland will be done with such spirit.

Well, Zionism is only a political movement and has zero connection to the Judaism. The politicians who hatched the ideas guiding Zionism did so for purely political reasons.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Jewish.

I don't think you got my question right. I udnerstand what zionism is all about and the position of anti-zionists. What I have failed to grasp is how some anti-zionists put a spiritual slant on their position to declare that they are the real Jews because they oppose the emergence of the State of Isreal.

Here is what Tornadoz said earlier: God told the Jews (Torah says) not to go to the promise land until he gives them a sign but the Zionist couldn't wait. By this single act they've collectively disobeyed God. Now am beginning to understand the difference between Judaism and Zionism. His statement raises some salient points which I will love explained. These are:

1. Where in the Torah did God say they shouldn't go to the promised land?
2. What is this sign Tornadoz is talking about?
3. Where exactly is this promised land?
4. There is a veiled notion is his statement that if God really took them to the Promised land, it will be without the bloodshed we are seeing now.

Do you have any response to all this? I will still try and go through the wikipedia posts anyway.

@Jesarmyl,

I just sent you an email with all the information you requested.

All the best.

@topic,

Update. I just called my Agent who confirmed that the ship has finally been allowed to offload. My truck should be out in about 3 days. About time I say, about time.

Regarding Grimaldi, I don't think I'll want to deal with people who will promise one thing and do another. When i called AES Shipping, they told me the next shipment to Lagos was in about 10 days. I got my car there in time and the car sailed the same day they promised via RORO. Now that is my kind of company. The Port congestion is not their fault at all. If anything, the shipping company is the one that loses much more money due to the delay.

How does this play into the accumulation of demurrage charges?

I don't think this should affect anyone. I believe demurrage only accumulates from the day you are meant to pick up your goods. Up until now, my car was not retrievable by my Agent. Am I right or is there any other twist to this?

@gadogado,

i cannot understand how you can support the west given what they did yo us black people,its the same that theyre doing to palestinians.but you people are mad,i can't blame you!

And i can't believe how you can support the Arabs given their hatred for Blacks and what they are still doing in the continent - Darfur for one.

@Richy,

My error. I guess I read your input in haste.

I had planned to ask you some questions earlier, which I did in part ask Tornadoz. What do you mean by the real Jews are anti-zionists? Tornadoz is yet to respond to my questions and I hope you'll be able to do just that. You mentioned during one of our discussions that asking questions might help clarify people's positions. I guess I'll take the first step in that direction.

@RichyBlack,

Tayo-D,
Please show me where I claimed to be a follower of Judaism.

Are you for real? Is this a genuine case of forgetfullness or is it selective amnesia? 

Here is your Statement Richy:  The true followers of Judaism are anti-Zionists, like us!  As long as you do not edit it, here is where the statement was made
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-214221.0.html#msg3299520

Are those the pictures of Nigeria or Gaza??

@RichyBlack,

You forgot to define "Zionist". Thanks.

Now he is changing the goal post. Are you trying to divert the discussion from where it began in order to save face? You claimed you are a follower of Judaism, and when I exposed your identity crisis, you are now telling me to define who a Zionist is. Are you for real?

You could have simply said your statement doesn't really reflect your intentions. That is okay. We all make mistakes and time and again, we get betrayed by our inability to adequately express our thoughts. Your game does not speak well of you at all.

@lagosboy,

For that to be justified tell Israel to withdraw to its 1967 borders

If the pre-1967 borders was the solution, why then was there a war in 1967?

@LagosBoy,

I have always maintained we should not turn this threads into a religous one as there are christians jews and muslims, atheist woteva who are all against the israeli aggression.

That's why this problem will never be solved.  If you think the Mideast problems can be solved outside its religiouos ramifications, then you are living in a dream world.  This is about religion from first to last.  Have you read Hamas' charter? Do you know that in it, they claim the entire Palestine is an Islamic waqf?  This is why one wonders why no one was sending rockets into Egypt when they controlled Gaza, and why no one is shouting Jihad against the Jordanians who occupy 80% of the land of Palestine.

Do you know what zionist call non jews I f you know you could please type it here

One fundamentla differnece her.  It is Mohammed and the quran who call Jews pigs and dogs. It is not just a select few muslims who regard them as such. So what a few Zionists think of non jews is irrelevant as long as Moses and the Torah do not agree with such.

@Jairzhino,

Hamas should be blamed ! They don't cae about their civilians. If they did,why not surrender & stop firing rockets ! Seems really simple to me?

That is the hypocrisy displayed by these Hamas' sympathisers. the way to stop the bloodshed is very simple. Tell Hamas to quit sending rockets to Isreal and there will be no more bloodshed. It is that simple. However, their thirst for Isreali blood will not let them, even if it means the blood of 1,000 Palestines.

@blackspade,

Those who are guilty will be the first ones to respond,

According to blackspade, Lagosboy is now proven guilty for respionding forst to this thread. Let those of us who really care about human lives now respond.

This was from December 30th, the number of children killed to date is estimated to be as high as 100.

I really do not understand yuor outrage.  Are you bothered that a life is lost at all or are you just bothered by the quantity? I know Isreali victims mean nothing to you, afterall Islam refers to them as pigs and dogs. Your outrage is at best hypocritical.

You might want to visit the following link to see how many children that have being murderd by these islamic gropus you have failed. http://daledamos/2006/08/123-israeli-children-killed-by.html

@Frizy,

When Israel and America stops their military bully that is the time we can have peace.

The kind of peace we had in 1948? Who did Isreal bully then?  Who did America bully? There is no delusion like self-delusion.

@OTEGA1,

I think you are out of order.

@Riskie,

I think you are alos out of order by bringing his parents into this.

@topic,

E no eazy at all. The ship that brought my car to the Lagos Port has being there for up to four weeks now. I intend to call my Agent in Lagos again today and see if it has finally offloaded. I'll be back here for a feedback.

Apart from the delay which is frustrating enough, the commercial implication of the delay cannot be ignored as well. In my case, I found a buyer for my Nissan Xterra about 4 weeks ago. The buyer being a friend, I sold it for so cheap - N1.5m. This was equivalent to $12,500 at the then exchange rate of N120 to $1. However, I now understand that the dollar trades to the Naira at the rate of N150 to $1. That means I will be getting just $10,000 for the truck. I have thus lost $2,500 because of the delay.

I can't review the price becuase I already gave my word to the buyer, and I'll rather lose money than go back on my words. I just feel sorry for many car dealers who transact high volumes and may have entered agreement with buyers without anticipating this wahala.