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@karmaMod,

Oh cool. Black Americans are whining again

Definitely wasnt expecting that!

What I am more surprised about is that you are surprised. Anyone who thinks electing Obama to the White House will solve the White-Black dichotomy is in for a very rude shock!

@topic,

You guys need to start speaking english. All these keynesia, Queenisia, Malaysia and Quintisia economic jargons does not make sense. I ones learned that unitl a concept can be explained and understood by a six year old, it probably isn't well thought through yet.

My take on the whole mess the world is in is this. The market, just by definition cannot fail. The market reacts to situations and circumstances to bring about a balance. All these govt intervention screwed up the market in the first place and it is still screwing it up today. Until the market is allowed to adjust by itself and attain a sustainable balance, we will not only be on this problem for long, but we will be laying the foundation for the future wahala.

On another point however, can anyone explain to me how Obama plans to maintain the infrastructures he is planning to build? Currently, our highways are maintained through the revenue from gas taxes. He is advocating less use of gasoline and increased use of mass transit. If the use of gasoline declines, so will the revenue from taxing it. meanwhile, the infrastructures that need maintenance will increase and mass transits are always subsidized from gasoline taxes. How will these infrastructures be sustained? Where will the money come from? Are we not setting up a future bailout of not just our financial industries but our entire infrastructure in the near future? More questions than answers I tell yah.

@topic,

Obama called for the closing of Gitmo saying America does not torture. He lifted the ban on financing for abortion effectively issuing a license to kill. On the third day of coming into office, he violated the sovereignty of Pakistan while ordering for people to be killed.

Obama's message is very clear and it is this: "America does not torture, but America kills". Don't you just love that!

@Richy,

Obama must not be tempted to follow the dangerous, isolating and unilateral policies of the Bush administration.

He just did with that strike. That is Bush Doctrine at work.

@Richy,

Obama must move swiftly to undo the damage of Bush's 8-year long policies. No slowing down and no relenting, else the obstructions on the right will start causing trouble.

I can see he is moving quickly to undo the Bush's doctrine as well.  With the drone strike in Pakistan on the 3rd day of his presidency, we are left with no doubt that the Bush doctrine is now the Obama doctrine.

Obama, we dey support you 100%

I suppose you will support the innocent people that will be killed with the drone strikes as well.

Is it not ironic that Obama will not detain these people but would rather kill them? I guess detention is more complicated than outright killing.

@topic,

This story just reminds me why I love naija so much - there can never ever be a boring day!!  The high spirit of the people underscored by stories like this just makes that country one of a kind.  Laughter is good, and in many cases doesn't cost you much to get.  This comic relief will sure make many people's day in the country.  For that reason alone, I do support the continued propagation of these kind of tales by moonlight.

@FBS,

Yes, I'm just reading about the ex Gitmo al-terrorist. He was released about a year ago.
Certainly I don't think they will just allow them walk away freely especially if the government has cases against them.

If Gitmo is closed and military courts remain suspended as ordered, then they will have to let them go. If these terrorists are tried under the US judicial system, they will have every right that an American have. They will be considered innocent until proven guilty. In the mean time, you can't detain them indefinitely without bringing them to trial. And since evidence against them is sometimes hard to prove, they will have to be released. The question is this: who will take them back?

@Davidylan,

Tayo-D, you're quoting from an extremist rightwing blog that doesnt even think Obama is fit to be a whitehouse shoeshinner.

I don't know about the history of that website. I found the article while searching for details of the executive order. That said, I can't really say the comments made on the website regarding the executive order is out of order (too many 'order'). The video kinda speaks for itself.

the problem is Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. Should he close Gitmo the rightwingers are coming after him, should he leave it open he will only be classified as the second coming of Bush. What should he do in this case?

That was the situation Bush found himself. My hope is that Obama will have the strength of character to stand up for what is right and not bow to every wind of pressure from his base.

Lost to many people is the fact that Obama also signed an executive order today lifting restrictions of government funding for abortion on foreign NGOs. Is this supposed to be a priority? Is he so much under the influence of the Planned Parenthood that he just has to ignore the sensitivities of so many Americans by lifting the restriction on his second day as President? I am waiting for the crowd who are always on the side of "innocent" civilians to expres their outrage about this. Abortion, as far as I'm concerned is a license to kill. A society's strength and civility should be measured by how it treats its weakest and most vlnerable members. With this in mind, this is one area where I have very little regard for the US.

I dont think he took the decision to close Gitmo in a haste, if he did we havent heard a lot of noise from the canterkarous group in the senate and house yet. I still say he simply opens a parallel to gitmo on US soil, these terrorists dont deserve to be in the same jails as petty criminals.

I do believe this was done in haste and based on political expediency.

@topic,

I am really disturbed by this action by Obama.  It appears very hasty and not well thought through.  You suspend detention in Gitmo while the war is ongoing.  What happens between now and a year's time when it is anticipated that an alternative solution will be achieved?

I came across the link below which suggests that Obama does not even know the details of what he is signing.  To think that he does not even know the number of executive orders he was supposed to sign that morning regarding a central issue of defence is scary to say the least.  Others had to tell him some of the salient points within that order.

Here is video of a halting and, at times, confused President Barack Obama signing a series of Executive Orders related to Guantanamo Bay and the terror suspects held there. At times, Obama seemed not to know what was in the particular order he was about to sign. Several times, Obama asked for help from off-camera to know what it was that he was signing! The orders he signed will close the Guantanamo Bay Terrorist Prison within one year, orders the formation of a task force to decide what to do with the terror suspects held there, and orders all terror suspects to be interrogated strictly in accord with the "Army Field Manual." It certainly looks better when the President can clearly describe the orders he is signing, especially when they could have such drastic consequences to the safety of Americans.


With these orders, Obama keeps his promises to the far-left of his party. He also demonstrates that he views the "War on Terror" not as a war, but as a police action. He either does not grasp the nature of the struggle against Radical Islamic Terrorism that we face, or his liberal biases are keeping him from admitting that we are in a struggle for survival. Either way, America is going to be far less safe as a result of these orders. . . . . . (watch video) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2169590/posts

@topic,

but would Obama have reacted differently to 9-11?

Very good question. Here is what Bush had to say regarding 911. "As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11. But I never did. Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe."

The same people he expended every political power he had to protect are the same people who now boo him. There were indeed misstep, but he did the best he could under the circumstances he found himself. Even Obama acknowledges the same.

@superboi,

imagine!!!!! 1,300 palestine citizen are dead are their government is celebrating victory.when its' people are mourning. men this people are sad

You have said it finish. Many are just being introduced to the religiously depraved mindset of Hamas and their cohorts. Someone like myself isn't surprised at all. Afterall, if they could send out their teenage and younger children to commit suicide bombing, what else can surprise you?

@epi,

From your personal standpoint - Did Obama fulfill Dr. Kings dream or we still have a long way to go?

Obama is did not fulfil MLK's dream. Rather, Obama is proof that MLK's dreams have become reality long before today.

Bush must be heaving a sigh of relief right now.

@topic,

Did anyone see Dick Cheney in a wheel chair?

@topic,

My office is opening up the conference rooms for the live straming. I dey go watch.

@RSA,

You need to provide a source for the above article.  Providing the author's name is not enough,

@RichyBlack,

Ignorant questions by an ignorant journalist.

Of course the guy is ignorant.  That is why he is asking the questions so that you can enlightene him.  Care to provide the answers?

Do the phrases "two-state solution"  and "occupied territories" mean anything to that journalist who obviously skipped classes when Pol Sci 101 was being taught in school?

Not everyone had the priviledge of sitting under the tutelage of a Professor of history.  However, everyone's got some common sense which the journalist is obviously using here.  He's asked some commong sense questions that should provide a good background to solving the crisis.  Why are you afraid to tackle the questions?  Why the attack on his person?

@topic,

I just saw this post by someone on bbcnews:

Last week's pro-Israel (anti-Hamas) rallies in Trafelgar Square and Manchester called for peace for Israelis and Palestinians. There was an appeal to donate money to hospitals in Israel AND Gaza through an SMS campaign.

Last week's pro Hamas (anti-israel rallies) called for the destruction of the Sate of Israel and claimed that "We are all Hamas now".

Spot the difference yet?

How apt!!!!!!!

@auwal87,

Have you read the Jewish Terrorists Plan? Their own no be Muslims or Christians or Buddha, but the whole Humanity. They think they are the only guys that God like or love, etc etc.

Is this the best response you can come up with?  I assume this is a veiled acceptance that your claim that Hamas does not seek the destruction of Isreal is a tale by moonlight.

I don't know what you mean by the Jewish Terrorists plans, but I know Moses' plan regarding Judaism and God's plan concerning the Jews and the nation of Isreal as a whole.  Hamas' plan is borne out of Mohammed's vision.  This is the difference in whatever you chose to compare Isreal's actions to.  While some elements of Isreal may seek the destruction of others as a goal, this does not mean Moses called for such.  This is not the same with Hamas and other Arab and Persian nations who seek Isreal and the Jews' destruction.  They get their matching others from no other than prophet mohammed (pbuh - piss be upon him)!

@auwal87,

Most of those claiming that Hamas stated "Israel has no right to exist" or "Israel should be destroyed" in their Charter, they have not even read the document, they are just getting quotes from Zionists (Jewish Terrorists).

What the Charter say about Israel is nothing more than Defense! The Charter specifically mentions that the area called Palestine now (including the occupied part of Jerusalem where the Islam's third holiest Masjid is located) is an Islamic Nation (Just like how Makkah and Madinah are now).

In attachment to this post you will find the PDF version of the "Hamas Charter".

Okay, let us quote from the document you attached:

This is the Charter of the Islamic Resistance (Hamas) which will reveal its face, unveil its identity, state its
position, clarify its purpose, discuss its hopes, call for support to its cause and reinforcement, and for joining its
ranks. For our struggle against the Jews is extremely wide-ranging and grave,  so much so that it will need all the
loyal efforts we can wield, to be followed by further steps and reinforced by successive battalions from the
multifarious Arab and Islamic world, until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory prevails. Thus we shall
perceive them approaching in the horizon, and this will be known before long: “Allah has decreed: Lo! I very
shall conquer, I and my messenger, lo! Allah is strong, almighty.”

It is interesting to note that the struggle goes beyond just Isreal as a State but against the Jews as a people.  Fighting the State of Isreal is just one step towards achieving the global goal.  And what is the global goal? It is the killing and annihilation of every Jew which is the obligation of every muslim as also recorded in the Hamas' charter below:

the Hamas has been looking forward to
implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The
time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees,
which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the
Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

Is Hamas really interested in peace and a peaceful solution to the problem?  Let the charter provide the answer:

From time to time a clamoring is voiced, to hold an International Conference in search for a solution to the problem. Some accept
the idea, others reject it, for one reason or another, demanding the implementation of this or that condition, as a
prerequisite for agreeing to convene the Conference or for participating in it. But the Islamic Resistance
Movement, which is aware of the [prospective] parties to this conference, and of their past and present positions
towards the problems of the Muslims, does not believe that those conferences are capable of responding to
demands, or of restoring rights or doing justice to the oppressed. Those conferences are no more than a means
to appoint the nonbelievers as arbitrators in the lands of Islam. Since when did the Unbelievers do justice to the
Believers? “And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say:
Lo! the guidance of Allah [himself] is the Guidance. And if you should follow their desires after the knowledge
which has come unto thee, then you would have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.” Sura 2 (the Cow),
verse 120  There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and
International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

I wonder if you ever read the charter you are backing up here. And by the way, I hope the christians are taking notes as we might just be next target of this Jihad.

@princekevo,

Tell me which government have time for them at this period?

Exactly. Hamas's action was clearly aimed to inflict some injuries on Isreal while hoping that other countries will bail them out quickly when Isreal rightfully retaliates. Unfortunately for Hamas, the credit crunch is biting these nations real hard while Russia is freezing Europe's behind by denying them natural gas. Afterall, a yoruba adage says "if you and your child are set ablaze, you will attempt to put out the fire burning you ahead of the one burning your child". That is the situation the world finds itself today!

@Pennywise,

I have to agree with afam. Whether you are making an informed decision by researching a company before investing or pulling the lever on a slot machine, fundamentally you are taking a risk with a view to achieve a positive outcome.Some folks forget that you can also make an informed decision when gambling like card counting by proffessionals.

Going by your logic, every business endeavour is thus kalokalo. Can you share with us what business endeavour that is devoid of risks? I am waiting for your response.

@Davidylan,

Where is Ban Ki Moon?

He is attending to the "genocide" in the Middle East.  The "humanitarian crisis" in Dafur can wait!!

@lagosboy,

The policy hangs on giving the palestinian their own viable state and israel withdraws to its 1967 borders for a start,

I can just imagine us going back to the golden year of 1967. But wait a minute, wasn't there a war in 1967? Exactly what are you hoping to achieve here Lagosboy? Another full scale war?

@topic,

Now that is a well written piece.

@RichyBlack,

I still don't know why people like Tayo-D don't want to discuss the real issues facing the middle-east.

What issues if I may ask? And while you may try to obfsucate the problems by talking about land, the rest of the Arab world knows it is all about religion. Their faith expressly tells them (read Hamas Charter) that Isreal must be wiped out in the last days. The same faith believes the entire palestine is an Islamic Waqf. Here is what Cayon, your fellow Hamas sympathiser had to say on another thread: "Notice i didn't say Israel vs Palestine because the whole world know this war is all about Religion." https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-214720.32.html#msg3309434

You denied on another thread that Hamas' Charter expressly calls for Isreal to be wiped out, and I produced the proof for your use. You have probably ignored the same thing here. Any attempt to deal with the ME wahala without putting this into the mix is an adventure in futility.

By the way, are you for a peaceful resolution or a violent confrontation? Afterall, you have expressly shown here that people who seek peace are not to be trusted, while those who seek blood are heroes.

@topic,

60 Minutes (CBS) segment on Pallywood

Only an 18-minute clip but gives you a detailed description of how Pallywood (Gaza-style) works.

Now that's Pallywood at its finest. I especially like the Reporter's description of the Production outfit - Casualties Production . This is taking Al taqiya to another level entirely!!

@afam or afam4eva,

My only problem with you RichyBlack is that over and over again this clown TayoD that uses multiple usernames writes like a complete idiot and you keep trying to explain things to him.

Have you not heard that even if you take a pig to the US it still remains a pig, well maybe a bigger pig.

As usual, coming into a topic without no intentions but to continue in personality clashes.  You've already been revealed for the fraud you are on another thread.  From selling wood flooring to posturing as an IT professional, from pushing inverters to assuming the role of an expert in electrical power; and from stealing peoples' identities to swindling another man through 419 mutual funds schemes, you have proven yourself a habitual liar and 419.

Your sorry life speaks for itself.  Need I add more?

@tkb417,

allow Afam. Thats his style. Ive known him to say opaks everytime
its cool man

Why am I not surprised!! You know the Bible declares that even if a fool does not say with his mouth that he is one, he will announce himself to be a fool by the way he walks. That is Afam's testimony. Even on the www, we can all tell that he is a fool by his conduct.

@Goodness07,

And for those wey dey say stockmarket investing na kalokalo. I say to u continue to bask in ur ignorance. Life itself na kalokalo.

You dey mind Afam? Wisdom dictates that a man keeps quiet and learn when he is ignorant of an issue, but not so with Afam. I read one of his articles on nairalnad recently about elctric power and I was dumbfounded by the ignorance he displayed. And more worrying is the fact that he would never accept correction but will resort to character assassination and denigration.

@Afam,

Hello Mr Afam, you are the person who introduced me to a mutual fund at Ilupeju (I don't want to mention name) before you now got another Job with Diamond Bank (Oh i know you too much) you mean all those stuff you told me then were all [b][/b]lies so you knew stocks was a kalo kalo stuff and you still adviced me to buy into it, afam you no try at all

You want to respond to Joshcoli's accusations? Your chickens are beginning to come home to roost here on nairaland. The 419 that you are is becoming very glaring for all to see.

@Afam,

It shows that you are ready to even hurt innocent people in your desperation and for someone who is both a husband and a father I now really have pity for your wife and child because you are very bad influence.

This is the expected progression for a fool. I knew you'd bring my family into this. I am not surprised anyway, you went so far as to insult my parents the last time. I have too much respect for my wife, my parents and family at large for me to disrespect another's, even if such is a fool.

He that is down need fear no fall but it is still very shameful for you to drag an innocent forum member (afam4eva) into this your gross stupidity.

Keep your hypocritical shamefulness to yourself. This guy is talking about innocent people and has the guts to trefer to members of my family he knows nothing about? I tell you, your reign as nairaland idiot will know no end.

Anyone that lies for any reason as far as I am concern is lesser than a pig and that is how I see you today.

The word in bold should be concerned. Again we have to teach you english. I've always known that you are a self-loathing fool. Unlike you, I love what I see in the mirror everyday. What concerns me with your estimation of me? You think I need people to massage my ego to maintain a healthy self-esteem as you do? Go figure!

@sleek_p,

Have the moderates delivered the two state solution?

Have the hardliners delivered it too? So you are one of those who mouth the word peace but harbour a deep desire for harmed confrontations? The hardliners who attacked Isreal since 1948 have managed not to secure a State but to lose more land to the militarily superior Isreal. What has Hamas achieved through the rockets now? If Isreal wants to, they could occupy Gaza again, thanks to your hardliners!

Israel only uses the moderates to stall for time.

Time for what? Isreal has being at peace with Egypt for decades, and this is what they want with everyone else, even if they have to give up land.

Freedom is never given, Freedom is always taken.

Absolutely. Just as Saddam never gave his people freedom. Bush took it from him by force.

Check your history books if you have any.

I just schooled you on a recent history too.

@Richy,

The fact is that you're blinded by your zombiesque support of Western subjugation.

And what blinds you? An aversion to the West such that you suspend every iota of logic?

There is no democracy in Saudi Arabia, yet your mentors (Bush, Cheney, etc.) were willing to kill more than half a million Iraqis to entrench democracy in Iraq! How about trying to bring democracy to Saudi Arabia?

Hosni Mubarak has been president of Egypt for 28 years! Leaders of all opposition groups in Egypt have been jailed, exiled or killed! Is that the democracy your mentors in Washington DC are trying to sell to the Iraqis?

This just shows how hypocritical you guys are. You've condemned the use of force to bring democracy to Iraq and yet condemn the peaceful means and diplomatic pressure brought to bear to stir Saudi, Kuwait and other nations into adopting democracy and ensuring women vote and are voted into office.

The truth is that America is not interested in democracy in the middle-east, but in resource control and using Israel as her attack-dog in the region. The toddlers in Washington DC know that democracy in the middle-east will result in governments willing to challenge Western hypocrisy in the region. Hence, they support all the dictators that slavishly bow to their demands!

You may question America's intentions, and no doubt every nation seeks its own good first. The idea of spreading democracy is all about keeping America safe. It's part of the global straategy adopted in America's war against terrorism. Question. How many nations in the ME has Isreal attacked, except in self defence?

Even a neophyte in political matters should know these things.

Just as a neophyte in political matters should know that Hugo Chavez is not looking out for anybody's interests but his own. I guess he will keep it up since his hypocritical actions impress people like you. This is somone voted into office but trying to make himself a life President. He will be the first President I will know becoming a spokesman for another President.

@afam/afam4eva,

Do not allow desperation make you accuse an innocent man. I use just one username/ID on this forum and that is afam. I can never descend so low as to use multiple IDs on this forum (like you)  especially when you are either banned or when you want to defraud people.

You cannot use multiple IDs on this forum and yet you attempted to steal the identity of an entire football team?! Please spare us the bullshit.

As for me using multiple IDs on this forum, it is nothing but a lie. For the sake of others, I'll reproduce my response to you on another thread:

At least for once on nairaland, Afam got his facts right: I am the same person who used the username TayoD (now retired), but now using the username Tayo-D on this forum. This shows one improtant point. If a dunce like Afam could readily see that, I am sure everyone else on nairaland will.

To a logical person who knows how to use his brains, the first thing to do in finding out if there was a fraud is to check if there has ever being an overlap in the use of both usernames. The facts in this case proves otherwise.  My last posting as TayoD on nairaland was on August 26, 2007.  My first posting as Tayo-D was on September 25, 2007 almost a month later.  These facts can be verified by anyone. So this attempt by Afam to sully my character is nothing but a calculated attempt to hide his ignorance of the issues at hand. For someone who has no regards for his or others' parents, and is ready and willing to have his parents ridiculed on the www, I really am not surprised by his cheap shots.

Now compare that to you this thief that actively use two usernames simultaneously.  it is on record that you have used both usernames today on nairaland.  Ole barawo.