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Krismas:
NO SOLDIER WAS KILLED
according to MSM
so why did they pull out atall?
You making no sense. u have no clue how deceptive MSM is. And thats wot u qoute from morning till night, cos dats wot u badly want to believe
So here is another shocker for u.
All of Afghan military then were all TALIBAN From head to toe.
America was fooled. Just like in gaza, EVERYONE IS HAMAS.

Oga in the last 6 month of trump,no American soldier was kill.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jul/05/brigitte-gabriel/18-month-stretch-of-no-us-military-deaths-in-afgha/
I deal on facts not emotions
One question, why should any one believe you when no source collaborates your opinion?

Krismas:
u have nothing to teach me, with due respect . likes of u believe inordinately in MSM even when they are leading u astray.
which link will i give, u wont call conspiracy theory?
the cornerstone of the matter was that america was badly losing in afghanistan. just like israel is losing in gaza.
prolonging stay, would only have made it worse.
As Biden summarized it, THERE IS NO BETTER TIME TO LEAVE
meaning, even if the withdrawal took place EXACTLY the date, u are now proposing, u would still be the first to condemn the same withdrawal date as premature. Thats how bad american military position was

Let me summarize our discussion for you so you would understand.
Let's say I believe you and begin to argue your point right.
And the person I am arguing with pulls out all his sources to show that Biden of warned of the collapse of the Afghan army then he ask for my source and I say I got the advice from a guy on Nairaland who I don't even remember his name.
He pointed to mo source, he got most of his fact wrong but he is a fan of Biden so he most be correct.
Thats our entire argument for you.
One more thing, when Biden took 9ver, America was not badly losing to Afghan. In fact, in the last year and half of trump in America, no solider was killed.

Krismas:
LOL
U mean u couldnt understand wot u just watched?
alright, here we go:
1. Biden emphatically say he was not advised not to withdraw
2. General Mark Milley say he wanted some troops like 35k left behind . wen asked if he advised such to the president, he say, he can't disclose wot he advised president. but PERSONALY he would have wanted 35k to remain to assist afghan military.
3. General Mark Milley say American intelligence didn't see the sudden collapse of the afghan military. i told u, u didn't believe, the general told, u still don't believe?

Long story short. the man is just LYING
Obama sent 250k troops to afghanistan. if that didn't help, is it 35k that will help?

1 Are you joking? All of Biden's generals told him the consequences of pulling out the army.
2. They all testified that the Afghan army was going to fold up but they did not know it would happen so soon.
3. Biden pulled out the army before the civilians that alone is madness
4. I support the withdrawal of America troops. But even a low IQ person would know that civilians should first be pulled out before the military.
the Senate Foreign Relations Committee found that as many as 9,000 Americans were left in Afghanistan during the Biden Administration's disastrous withdrawal.
Note, the Senate is controlled by the Dems.
The 13 soldiers killed at the airport wouldn't have died if Biden did the right thing here.

Krismas:
I checked only 2 of the links. the idea about dem is towing the same false narrative that America had any control or success over the Taliban. America was losing. running away was the only sensible thing to do. so, enough of all these links talking backwards.
It was Trump who fixed May 1, 2021 as withdrawal date with the Taliban, long before Biden became president. It was not until April 2021 that Biden agreed to go with the Trump date. Only, Biden started the evacuation in September. so, i really don't know wot u people are talking about?
The idea that Biden went against his own generals can only be believed by mumus. its utter nonsense. is it not same newyork times that reported Hamas committed widespread rape in kubutz Beri, which was vehemently denied by the residents of the place? wots so credible about newyork times?

I have already answered you in the above post but here is a video of Biden's top general confessing that he warned the idiot about Afghan.
https://youtu.be/vEE236RbV4o?si=APNqrbjZxEZSUmZP
Now you have it on video do you still deny?
Ps, the general is still serving in Biden's government.

Krismas:
I checked only 2 of the links. the idea about dem is towing the same false narrative that America had any control or success over the Taliban. America was losing. running away was the only sensible thing to do. so, enough of all these links talking backwards.
It was Trump who fixed May 1, 2021 as withdrawal date with the Taliban, long before Biden became president. It was not until April 2021 that Biden agreed to go with the Trump date. Only, Biden started the evacuation in September. so, i really don't know wot u people are talking about?
The idea that Biden went against his own generals can only be believed by mumus. its utter nonsense. is it not same newyork times that reported Hamas committed widespread rape in kubutz Beri, which was vehemently denied by the residents of the place? wots so credible about newyork times?

My guy, if Biden was not prepared for an orderly evacuation, why did he decide to go with Trump's date? I am sure you never asked yourself this simple question.
Oga, I only gave you sources from the left that is very Biden friendly and you are yet to produce one good link to back your point.
I would be a mumu to believe you a nobody on Nairaland and ignore credible sources. Especially when you have no source to point to. You are clearly saying things you don't know. Please go through the remaining links and learn

Krismas:
amazing.
ur link is not relevant and its even tellingly me to sign up or log in b4 i can read?
The important facts of this matter are:
1. America had a deal with Taliban for safe evacuations. And the Taliban kept their end of the bargain
2. Attack America suffered from, came from ISIS-K, who are equally deadly enemies of the Taliban
3. American troop casualties were very high, than what was reported in the MSM. So delaying withdrawal is effectively killing far more troops
4. the airport bombings was suicide bombing. which is difficult to defend against, whether you spaceout the evacuation

My link makes it super clear that Biden was warned. If he acted on time, no one would have died.
You claimed Kabul fell over night. My link shows that it is a lie.
Here are other links to educate you on the issue.

Yes, America had a deal with the Taliban but the Taliban were not the only danger and Biden knew it. The sudden unplanned pullout was all the other groups needed to strike. That you don't get this is incredible.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/20/austin-miller-afghanistan-biden-house-investigation/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1277067

https://time.com/6269392/white-house-afghanistan-withdrawal-biden-trump/

https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-joe-biden-kabul-taliban-air-force-e9fb454b7e9bebac58477e13d603fc06

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/milley-senate-hearing-afghanistan.html

These are all credible sources. Go through them then we can have this discussion.

DomPerignon:
IDF is suing for a truce.

Go and ask those diaper wearing bullies why they are now begging Satanyahu to begin truce negotiations with Hamas and Hezbollah.

The entire war cabinet resigned and Satanyahu's coalition is on the brink of collapse.

Jews in Pissrael are now seeing that this war can escalate badly for Pissrael and know that Satanyahu will consider the Samson option which will put a big target on every surviving Jew's back .


Fool dey IPOB cannibal den dey yarn dust.

IDF is begging for a truce and that's all you should concern yourself about.

I didn't read what you wrote please send it to me in a voice note

DomPerignon:
.0su pig , your eternal Jewish slave masters are being beaten blue and back.

Why not go and join the IDF and save your slave masters.

Pig of Zion

You terrorists can't change. Even with the entire Gaza flattened in your head, you are beating Israel.
You guys are the strangest people on earth. Anyway, enjoy

DomPerignon:
0su swerve

These Hamas slaves are all the same. They believe social media is all about insults and fights.

Krismas:
Kabul fell OVERNIGHT
Then who told you America knew the Afghan army couldn’t hold off the Taliban?
Also, there was a deal with the Taliban for safe passage for all to be evacuated and Taliban honored the deal. ISIS-K on the other hand, is no friends with Taliban or America. Four of their members got in the queue like they were evacuating, and detonated themselves killing many peeps, including 13 American troops. How do a year long evacuation prevent that?
Lastly, those equipment were bought with Afghan money. It was not a gift to Afghan. It was purchased. America has no right to take them away. Also America has no right to sit on Afghan money frozen in their banks currently.

oga Kabul did not fall overnight. Who told you that? In fact, Biben was advised by his security chiefs more than a month before the fall of Kabul. Biden had all the security briefings he could have. Please get your facts right. If you don't know, go back and watch the clips of the state and house debriefing the security chiefs. Every one of them said Biden was aware of a potential fall of Kabul.

Now if you began your evacuation on time, you wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of people around the airport thereby making it impossible to secure. Please watch the debriefing of the security chiefs before making your arguments. Biko

Below is a link from the New York Times.
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GBTYO:
When your papa and mama had stunted brain development due to severe hunger, this is why you reason from your anus.

You are the most funny of them all. The moment anyone opposes you, you have to turn to insults. How can anyone take you serious.
Meanwhile, have you noticed that most of your anti Israel folks are gradually getting tired?
All the college campus demonstrations are fading and very few, even in the Arab world are showing much interest?

DeepSight:
I am wondering how you were able to sleep last night with your heavy conscience from your advocacy of apartheid, murder of innocent children and genocide.

Thanks for your concern bro. I slept soundly knowing that some terrorists were sent to their 70 virgins. It's called a win win.

SmartPolician:
Coming from FIJ, I have no reason to dispute it because its a core media house focused on investigative journalism.

As many companies are leaving Nigeria, I hope Tinubu is bringing in new ones to replace them

If you don't resolve the underlining issues why those companies are leaving, don't expect to see new ones.

Krismas:
Wot should Biden have done separately? The service men killed in Kabul blast were not killed by Taliban, they were killed by ISIS-K. How was Biden to know ISIS-K will strike?
The weapons Biden left behind belong to Afghanistan. Procured with Afghan money . So, should they have taken it along with them? Or wot rubbish are u people saying sef?

So you got many things wrong as you usually do.
If American citizens were evicted in an orderly form and not in a chaotic manner, there wouldn't have been any dead. They had a whole year to evacuate people but they waited until Kabul fell and it became impossible to safely move away their people.
Again, does it even make sense that you leave your weapons with the Afghan army when your intelligence told you that they could not withstand the Taliban? Again you got it all wrong. Much of the weapon were not even handed over to the Afghan army. Many of the weapons were in storage.
And yes, they should have taken their weapons with them and not left it with a government that in your own words was Procured with Afghan money. That was the only sensible thing to do but as we both know, Biden had long lost his sense.

Botragelad:
Do people actually give credence to what these individuals say? How laughable!

Marriage is intended to be a partnership, distinct from the ownership and control inherent in slavery, I believe. Yet, individuals like this perpetuate sexist ideologies that blur these lines.

If someone finds themselves in a volatile and abusive relationship, where they feel 'owned' or controlled by their spouse, how can they possibly escape? Does he not comprehend the fundamental human rights that are violated by 'owning' another person?

While I believe that marriage should be a partnership, for many it's an ownership. And in many traditions and religious, marriage is more or less an ownership.
The question is, who is right? We who look to marriage as a partnership or those who see it as an ownership?
Who ends up with the more successful marriage?

God1000:
They left those weapons in the hands of afghan soldiers thinking they could defend Afghanistan, you should blame afghan president ashraf ghani for being the first person to run away and all his soldiers surrendered to Taliban without any resistance.

Yes, you should blame the Afghan president and definitely the US president for leaving their arms in the hands of a useless army.
And hope you know that much of those weapons were not even with the Afghan army, they were in storage gathering dust.
It's just a shame.
Biden's stupidity led to the deaths of 13 service men and women.
That guy is a disaster.

God1000:
Donald trump started the afghan withdrawal before leaving the office, he initiated the move

Yes he started it and that was the right thing to do. But your man chose to leave weapons and Americans behind and that was the entire tragedy.
It was the biggest failure of the US gov since Vietnam.
He had an entire year to move out the weapons and Americans citizens from Afghanistan or simply to renegotiate the terms Trump agreed to.
Biden is just an idiot nothing more, nothing less.

God1000:
lol, a man that made USA a laughingstock with his foolery, you have easily forgotten all the infractions he committed while in office including the January 2020 invasion of congress by his supporters

Just because you say he made the US a laughing stock doesn't make it true. You don't just say things because you feel like.
And I would take 50 January 6 over again than the madness Biden allowed to happen in Afghanistan including the death of 13 service members and leaving behind over 40 billion dollars worth of weapons. That was a total disgrace.
If the world was ever going to laugh at US, it was when and how the left Afghanistan not over a riot on January 6th.

God1000:
Apart from age issue, Biden has done well for Americans, though I don't like his foreign policy regarding Israel-palestine conflict

Since his first year he has been below waters in polls. Clearly the American people don't agree that he has done well. More American believe that Trump will do better with the Economy, border, foreign relations, and even security.

God1000:
I think the issue for voters is not whether he is fit to withstand the rigors of the campaign. The issue is whether he can be an effective President for the next term given the reality of biology we all have to accept.

He has had a long successful political career, but at 81, he needs to step down for Kamala Harris.

Donald trump should withdraw from the race as well, he's 78, an unhinged old man, a convicted felon that tells a lot of lies.

Nna let the American people decide. And when they do, respect their choice. If they want a convicted felon, we would know in 4 months.
Nigeria chose OBJ a convicted felon. South Africa chose Mandela a convicted felon. Ancient Egypt chose Joseph a convicted felon.

Guestlander:
Agriculture in U.S and China is not what you can compare with anywhere in Africa. People over there will not ridicule corn or any crop fir that matter because they understand the need to be self sufficient in food production.
1 billion Chinese and you will not see them complain about the price of eggs.
I saw a list of the 10 countries with the most Arable land in the world, Nigeria is on the list but the only one that is hungry. That should tell you something.

You are the ridiculous one here not those of us who knew Tinubu was fooling you.
Who is the fool here, those of us who laugh at Tinubu's agbado promise or those of you who believed only to be fooled by the man?
Nigerians actually take Agriculture more serious than these countries unfortunately we have an unserious government.
We have 1 farmer for ever 5 citizens. Even China can't compare.
Stop blaming Nigerians. Already 40 million of us are farmers out of the 75.5 employed Nigerians.
1 out of ever 2 employed Nigerian is a farmer. Oga if that means nothing to you then you need help.

Guestlander:
Of course, why should I even mention your state government, we know they are there only to collect allocations from Abuja and do nothing with it.
That 52% goes to maintaining the military, the police, the foreign service, the FG bureaucracy etc. What exactly is the 27% to the states spent on.
You need to keep quiet if you don't understand something.

Oga you need to be informed, you state governors have built more roads, infrastructure and contributed more to community development than your FG on the last 9 years. It's not even close.
Secondly, remove the amount spent on the Army, police and foreign services, the FG still has more than the states combined.
So what really is your point?

Guestlander:
I'm not sorry to say most of them are stupid. Feed is the most costly part of the poultry business. If you don't get that covered and you rely solely on non existence feed producers in Nigeria then whatever you get is what you deserve.
This goes back to those who ridicule corn as a viable way of solving some of our food supply problems.
Perhaps hunger will eventually teach us how to be smart and make use of what we have.

I have already responded to this but you
deserve a second response. When you say poultry owners are stupid, are you only referring to Nigerian poultry owners or the global community of poultry farmers because from US to China to Ghana, most poultries depend on feed mills for their feeds and 30% of them are not folding up. It's easy for a young man like you to sit in your room and comment without understanding how your food is produced. But it does not make sense.

Guestlander:
What is you state government policy on Agriculture? People ridiculed him because of ignorance, pure and simple.

You are only getting more childish. From blaming the people now to the state governors. The only person you can't blame is Tinubu.
But I can easily tell you that the state governors do much more for farmers than the FG in almost every state in Nigeria.
Note, 52% of the budget is allocated to the FG and 27% allocated to the states.

Guestlander:
I know the duties of government alright. They are supposed to grow your peppers and tomatoes.
Folks like you often default to Fulani herdsmen, the only logical excuse you can give for not going to farm.
But this is not the end of the story because agriculture started to decline in Nigeria since the seventies.

Oga, I am among those that have invested in agriculture so I know the challenges unlike you.
If 40illion farmers can't feed Nigeria then you should know that something is wrong.
I have a major bulk farm produce business. I have travel from Taraba, Benue, jos, Niger, Kaduna. I have seen the handiwork of herdsmen even in Yewa Ogun state.
My guy, you have a failed state.
Your gov had completed failed it's people.
Note, I stopped going to Kastina for security reasons and Zamfara is now a no go area for many.

Guestlander:
I'm not sorry to say most of them are stupid. Feed is the most costly part of the poultry business. If you don't get that covered and you rely solely on non existence feed producers in Nigeria then whatever you get is what you deserve.
This goes back to those who ridicule corn as a viable way of solving some of our food supply problems.
Perhaps hunger will eventually teach us how to be smart and make use of what we have.

Oga under Tinubu how much more corn has Nigeria produced? Now you see why people ridiculed the idiot?

IAmHim1:
Govt HAVE the ability...
Doesn't mean they have to apply it

I can go 3 days without food...does that mean I SHOULD go 3 days without food

the opposite of inflation is deflation
What caused the inflation??


Reversed engineer that and you'll get the solution to Nigeria's economy crisis.
And I've done that for you in the link and my other unlinked topics

Can take a horse to the river ...
Can ONLY take a horse to the river

Please what's your point

IAmHim1:
Not seeking to interfere but government have the ability to write off debt because all debt is loan and loan was created by commercial banks from your bank deposits

All the government has to do
https://www.nairaland.com/8101772/nigerias-inflation-introduction-subsidy-old

I'm open for questions as time permits

How many debts has Tinubu written off?

Guestlander:
But you can afford to import billions of junks from China every year but you can't grow your own food?
Are there government farms in US, U.K and Canada?
The little government help available to farmers in Nigeria are you taking advantage of it?
When the government said some of the money wasted on fuel subsidy can be invested in agriculture didn't you protest?

Stop defending the worst president ever.
You just learnt that 30% of Nigerians who invested in poultry farming shut down in 6 months of Tinubu government and you are still blaming more Nigerians for not investing in farming are you alright?

Guestlander:
Safe sectors? OK, continue to invest in the safe sectors and starve.
Let us just continue to blame Tinubu for what we can do for ourselves.

Wait what are you even talking about. If at your age, you don't know the duties of government, then it's a shame.
Again, what would you do if I took a loan from you, invested in a farm and lost it all to herdsmen? Would your write off my debt?
Please let's talk with some sense.

Guestlander:
You need to face the truth. Yes, the government should do all these things but what about Nigerians who have access to money, what percentage of them are into mechanized farming?
Someone here on nairaland even said farming is not profitable! Yes, if you don't do it the right way.

Oga you have no point. Nigerians with access to money will only invest in safe sectors. If farming was safe and profitable, you don't need to beg people, they would flood it with investments.
Please stop blaming Nigerians. We have tried. It's your government that keeps failing us.

Guestlander:
No, the issue is that Tinubu has not been able to grow enough grains to make animal feed cheap and affordable.
Continue to wait for him.

Clearly you don't know the role of government.
This is the only country in the world where your government expects you to provide your own electricity, water, security, roads, and to grow your own food.
Meanwhile we have 40 million farmers that's more than the US, UK, Canada, EU, and Australia combined.
People like you are at the root of the problem. You are the fuel the government needs to remain irrelevant.