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Procashtips:
Again, you're turning history upside down

Does Palestine represent Arabs?

Is the land the land of Arabs (made up of several countries that identify with the term Arab)?

That whoever went to war for whatever reason doesn't change what has been agreed by the UN as a means of peace.

Who is the neighbour?

Before the Zionist were MOVED to that part of the world, both Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in peace in Palestine.

Prior to 1947, there was no crisis in that part of the world.

I asked you to check the maps, you're here talking about war

Sometimes I wish I could just let you continue repeating what you see and hear on CNN and other Western media but it hurts my IQ.

Apart from the Europeans (They also make up the US), every other sane country are against the land grabbing the Zionists are doing in Palestine.
Go and check the votes in Un meetings, majority always favor the Palestinians.

Please read my reply to you above but one more thing. About majority of the world supporting Palestine, what do you expect. There are less than 20 million Jews worldwide and heading to 2 billion Muslims. And over 300 million Arabs. The Muslim world has a GDP of over 30 trillion dollars. How do you expect Israel to match such influence? It's not possible. That's why most countries are on the Palestine side.
Even if you are not a Muslim country, you are definitely involved in more business and economics deals and partnership with the Muslim or Arab world than with Israel.

Krismas:
YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON YET MORE LIES
1. EVERY LAND WAS ACQUIRED BY WAR? SO? THE UN WAS CREATED TO MODERATE THE RULES OF WAR. LAND CANNOLONGER BE ACQUIRED BY WAR.
2. WHY DID THE UN NOT STOP THE ARABS FROM GOING TO WAR? NO RULES SAY NATIONS CANNOT WAR BETWEEN THEMSELVES
3. THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THE WAR WAS TO OCCUPY THE LAND? THE ARABS DID NOT WANT THE BRITISH TO RELOCATE EUROPEANS INTO THEIR REGION. JUST LIKE THEY DID IN AUSTRALIA, SOUTH AFRICA, ZIMBABWE, ETC. THATS THE REASON FOR THE WAR.
4. ISRAEL LOST SOME ITS LANDS TO JORDAN? IN WHICH OF THE WARS? ACTUALLY YOU ARE ONLY JUST GUESSING. YOU HAVE NO CLUE. SUMMARY IS THAT, ISRAEL NEVER HAD ANY LAND IN THE PLACE AT ALL TO BEGIN WITH.

Since you don't like facts, both of us will just keep talking over each other
But then, how come there is no UN resolution for the return of lands taking from Jews in almost all Arab countries between 1948 and the 1950s.
Also, do yourself some good to read about the war in 1948.
Jordan captured some land from Israel that because part of the west bank. Israel reclaimed all after 1967.

Procashtips:
Again, you're turning history upside down

Does Palestine represent Arabs?

Is the land the land of Arabs (made up of several countries that identify with the term Arab)?

That whoever went to war for whatever reason doesn't change what has been agreed by the UN as a means of peace.

Who is the neighbour?

Before the Zionist were MOVED to that part of the world, both Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in peace in Palestine.

Prior to 1947, there was no crisis in that part of the world.

I asked you to check the maps, you're here talking about war

Sometimes I wish I could just let you continue repeating what you see and hear on CNN and other Western media but it hurts my IQ.

Apart from the Europeans (They also make up the US), every other sane country are against the land grabbing the Zionists are doing in Palestine.
Go and check the votes in Un meetings, majority always favor the Palestinians.

These maps you show do not make sense and I will tell you why.
1. Before 1948, the land belonged to the British empire and before then, it belonged to the ottoman empire.
2. All through the time of the ottoman and British, Arabs came to the land mostly from Egypt. But also Jews came to the land. There were Jewish towns even in the 1800s.
3. Prior to 1948, neither the Ottoman or British
Divided the land among the various groups living there so who decided that was the map.
4. By 1947, the land was already 30% Jewish.
So your maps before 1948 is just Palestine propaganda.
5. The land was divided by the UN. Israel wanted it all just like the Palestinians but Israel agreed to the UN resolution. Palestine took a gamble, joint forces with the Arab world and went to war to claim the entire land.
Now they lost their gamble, why should any land be given back to them?

Krismas:
YOUR STATEMENTS ARE RIDDLED WITH NUMEROUS LIES.
1. THE JEWS HAVE NEVER CLAIMED THE LAND IS THEIR ANSCESTRAL HOME. IT YOU PEOPLE DELUDED BY THE LIES OF THE BIBLE WHO JUST CANT SEE YOU ARE BEING FOOLED BY THE EUROPEANS
2. THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT ARABS AND NEVER WENT TO WAR WITH THE ZIONIST SWINES. THE ARABS WERE THE COLONIAL MASTERS OF THE PLACE AND IT WAS A QURREL BETWEEN COLONIAL MASTERS. ONE A JEWISH SWINE, THE OTHER THE ARAB SWINE. HOW IS THAT PALESTINIAN CONCERN? THE TWO OF THEM SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN LOST FROM THE LAND ALREADY
3. NO LAND CAN BE ACQUIRED BY WAR UNDER ALL THE RELEVANT UN CHARTERS. ISRAEL IS ONLY JUST KEEPING THE LANDS WARM. IT IS NOT THE OWNERS OF THEM

Everything you stated here is false and we have already discussed a few of them so no need to waste my time but I will address your lady point.
Every land was acquired by war. Now talking about the UN charter, why did it not stop the Arabs from fighting Israel in 1948. The only purpose of the war was to occupy land. Do you also know that in that same war, Israel lost some of it's land to Jordan so what's your point here?
Have you heard about Nagorno-Karabakh Artsakh.
How come none of you on Nairaland are fighting for the Armenian people and calling on UN charter?

Procashtips:
You're turning history upside down

When UN divided it, the map was different, then the Zionists started building into the other side (settlement).

Don't use Jew to qualify the Zionists because Jews are in both sides of the divide

Have you seen the map of both sides in 1947 and now?

If not, go and check these information before responding.

You will surely see who has been the aggressor, the land grabber and the one fighting against 2 state solution.

The US has always voted against 2 state solution and we know who they are supporting.

Please, go online and check the maps now or you want me to do it for you?

One more thing: Hope you know there's no tribe, race or ethnic group known as Arab?

The Palestinians have both Christian, Muslims, Judaist and the likes as citizens just as we have in the Zionist occupied territories.

You have not refuted anything I said.
But maybe you did not understand.
The UN divided Palestine. The Arabs went to war because they wanted all the land. In the war, they lost all the land. Now they are asking the Jews to return their lands. If it were you, what would you do?
Imagine your neighbor fights you for your land and you defeat him and take away his land, does he have the moral right to request for his land? Thats my point.

Procashtips:
Given to them by who and who was there to witness it?

If I write a book claiming that the phone you're currently using was given to me by whoever and is owned by me, does the book make me the owner?


Have you seen anyone write something against themselves?

The victor always write history.

Mungo park said he discovered River Niger, is he right?

I think we are getting this all wrong. The case for Israel is not that complicated. Both the Jews and the people in Palestine claimed the land as their ancestral home. The UN divided it but the Arabs refused because they wanted it all and went to war. They ended up losing all the land. That's how simple it is.
I don't think Israel should give them even an inch of the land. But it's not my decision to make.

Krismas:

Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون, al-Filasṭīniyyūn; Hebrew: פָלַסְטִינִים, Fālasṭīnīm) or Palestinian people (الشعب الفلسطيني, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīnī), also referred to as Palestinian Arabs (العرب الفلسطينيون, al-ʿArab al-Filasṭīniyyūn), are an ethnonational group[30][31][32][33][34][35][36] descending from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia, and who are today culturally and linguistically Arab.[37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45]

YOU ARE THE ONE WHOS INTELLIGENCE IS QUESTIONABLE. THE LINK IS CLEAR ENOUGH. PALESTINIANS ARE NOT GENETICALLY ARABS.
THEY ARE CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY SO. IN NIGERIA I KNOW A FEW NIGERIANS WHO ARE CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY BRITISH.
THEY MUST BE NIGERIAN BRITISH

You are seeing things. Please read and understand. I can't do that for you.

Krismas:
YOUR LINK SAY PALESTINIANS
who are today culturally and linguistically arabs
IN NIGERIA THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE CULTURALLY AND LINGUISTICALLY ARABS. SO NIGERIANS ARE ARABS AS WELL

Your device is obviously faulty. Please open the link with a better device

Krismas:
VERY WELL. THE FRENCH WERE WINNING THE WAR IN INDOCHINA IN THE NEWS, UNTIL THEY LOST ON THE GROUND. THE AMERICANS WERE WINNING AFGHAN WAR ON CNN, UNTIL THEY LOST IN ACTUALITY. ISRAEL CAN BE WINNING IN ALL YOUR LYING SOURCES FOR NOW, UNTIL THEY ARE ACTUALLY DISGRACED. THANKS AND BYE

You point is that you don't listen to news. Noted

Krismas:
IF HAMAS IS ARAB, THEN YOU ARE BRITISH. THAT ARABS COLONIZED THEM IS NOT ENOUGH TO CALL THEM ARABS. GOOGLE ONCE MORE IS YOUR FRIEND. WHO ARE THE ARABS. OFCOURSE THEY ARE THOSE COUNTRIES IN THE GULF OF ARABIA. THEY ARE THE ARABS

This answers the question if Palestinians are Arabs and it's from your friend Google. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

Krismas:
IF HAMAS IS ARAB, THEN YOU ARE BRITISH. THAT ARABS COLONIZED THEM IS NOT ENOUGH TO CALL THEM ARABS. GOOGLE ONCE MORE IS YOUR FRIEND. WHO ARE THE ARABS. OFCOURSE THEY ARE THOSE COUNTRIES IN THE GULF OF ARABIA. THEY ARE THE ARABS

You keep saying google is your friend but you are uncomfortable using it.

Krismas:
OFCOURSE FROM THE LYING IDF. WHAT NEWS FROM IDF EVER ENDED UP BEING CORRECT? THEY SAID SHIFA HOSPITAL WAS HAMAS OPERATIONAL BASE. IT WAS FOUND OUT A LIE. THEY SAID HAMAS TUNNEL WAS UNDER UNRWA BUILDING, IT WAS FOUND OUT AS LIE, THEY SAID 12 UNRWA STAFF ARE MEMBERS OF HAMAS, IT WAS FOUND OUT AS FALSE. THEY SAID HAMAS RAPED AND BEHEADED BABIES OCT7. IT WAS FOUND OUT A LIE. EVERYTHING THEY SAY IS LIE. UNFORTUNATELY, LIES DONT WIN WARS

Oga, I can't convince you of the truthfulness of my sources so maintain your sources and I will maintain mine. You only see what your heart wants to see.

Krismas:
. OK, THE WORD PALESTINIAN ARABS, INCASE U DONT KNOW IS FREQUENTLY USED FOR SUPPOSEDLY PALESTINIANS LIVING WITHIN ISRAEL ITSELF. AND ITS HELD UP AS HOW ISRAEL IS SO FAIR AND BENEVOLENT AND ALL THAT NONSENSE. I BELIEVE IT MERE POLITICS. ITS SCAM. PALESTINIANS ARE NOT ARABS. THEY ARE HEBREW. EVEN IF YOU FIND MIXED BLOOD WITHIN THEM, DOES NOT REPRESENT THE WHOLE TRIBE.

Palestinians are not Arabs ? Lool very funny. Don't let hamas hear you saying this. They will cut off something from your body?

Krismas:
THERE IS NOTHING TO LEARN IN YOUR LINK. AND BY THE WAY THE LINK TESTIFYS AGAINST YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT KNOW IT. IT DESCRIBES THE PEOPLE AS LEVANTS, AND GOES ON TO DELINATE THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDRIES. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHERE THE PALESTINIANS ARE IN TODAY, DISPLACED BY THE USELESS ZIONIST RACISTS. OR DONT YOU KNOW HOW TO READ?

I don't know how to reply to this. Please point to one source of evidence and stop depending on tales told in mosque

Krismas:
CONTINUE TO LIVE IN DECIET. AFTER 130 DAYS OF WAR, A RAG TAG ARMY OF HAMAS IS MASSIVELY SLAUGHTERING YOUR LYING IDF
WIN IF YOU CAN

We obviously get out news from different sources. It's over 10k Hamas dead including top officers and less than 4oo IDF. But as I state, I don't know your source. You know I am always happy to present evidence but clearly you don't care about having evidence.

Krismas:
I DONT CARE ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN ARABS. WHAT EVER THEY ARE I DONT EVEN KNOW. THERE ARE NIGERIAN ARABS TOO. I THINK? USMAN DAN FODIO LINAGE. SO I DONT SEE HOW ALL YOUR LIES CHANGE ANYTHING

I don't even understand what you mean here so I can't reply. I don't think Israel has an issue with Nigerian Arabs

Krismas:
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU DOING? HOW DOES THIS YOUR LINK HELP US TO RECONCILE PALESTINE WITH PHILISTINE?

Read and learn

Krismas:
I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR THROAT. I TELL YOU SOLEMNLY THAT THE CONTENTION CAN ONLY BE RESOLVED ON THE BATTLE FIELD. SO HAMAS IS JUSTLY ACTIVE. AND EVERY JEWISH SWINE WILL BE CLEANSED FROM THE LAND. THIS IS IRREVOCABLE

Feelings don't win wars

Krismas:
NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT THE MATTER, THE JEWS ARE FROM EUROPE. THEY ARE NOT HEBREW. THE PALESTINIANS ARE JUDAEANS AND HAVE LEAVED IN THOSE LANDS OF PALESTINES FOR MORE THAN 2000 YRS UNINTERUPTED BEFORE THESE ZIONIST SETTLERS CAME FROM EUROPE. THATS JUST THE SUMMARY

The Palestinians (Arabs) do not even agree with your categorization of them. They claim to be children of Abraham and not Canaanites. So should we believe you or believe them? I rather judge them by what they claim they are and not what you want them to be.

Krismas:
NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT THE MATTER, THE JEWS ARE FROM EUROPE. THEY ARE NOT HEBREW. THE PALESTINIANS ARE JUDAEANS AND HAVE LEAVED IN THOSE LANDS OF PALESTINES FOR MORE THAN 2000 YRS UNINTERUPTED BEFORE THESE ZIONIST SETTLERS CAME FROM EUROPE. THATS JUST THE SUMMARY

We have spent half of the day posting and you are yet to present any evidence not even a link yet you must force your personal opinion down my throat.

Krismas:
YOU ARE JUST SPEAKING ENGLISH. WHY CANT YOU CHECK FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE WORD PALESTINE INSTEAD? INFACT THE ARABIC FOR PALESTINE IS STILL FILISTINE TILL TODAY.

Let me try to help you with another link that talks about the origin of the Palestinians
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians#:~:text=Many%20Palestinian%20villagers%20claim%20ancestral,ancestry%20based%20on%20oral%20traditions[/url].

Krismas:
YOU ARE JUST SPEAKING ENGLISH. WHY CANT YOU CHECK FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE WORD PALESTINE INSTEAD? INFACT THE ARABIC FOR PALESTINE IS STILL FILISTINE TILL TODAY.

I just gave you the origin, you refused to accept. I can't force it into your head. I can give you more links but it wouldn't help you so I can only speak English my brother

Krismas:
YOUR LINKS ARE USELESS

Please give me useful links sir

Krismas:
FIRST LINK YOU POSTED, ITS CALLED WRONG USE OF GOOGLE. DONT FORGET ITS GABBAGE IN, GABBAGE OUT. RATHER TYPE FOR THE ORIGIN OF THE WORD.
SECOND LINK, QUORA IS ANYBODY'S OPINION. QUORA IS TRASH

Since you would refuse anything I give you, I can't help you.
But hope you know that every website is the product of someones opinion or research just like Quora. Please mention one site that does not fall into this category. Also can you explain why Wikipedia is garbage to you?

Krismas:
IGNORANCE.
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND. JUST TYPE, WHERE DID THE WORD PALESTINE COME FROM?
HERE IS THE VERY FIRST RESULT DISPLACED
The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century bce occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza

You call me ignorant but I am the one guiding you through the friendly world of google. Please take your own advice and use the links I presented. I promise you they are from your beloved friend Google

Krismas:
GEN 26:1
THEN GEN 20:1-2

26 And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
Please take your correction. The philistines are not Palestinians. You're welcome
This link below will help you differentiate the two
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines
Another link to help you
[url]https://www.quora.com/How-does-Philistine-and-Palestine-differ#:~:text=The%20term%20Palestinians%20is%20used,of%20Canaan%20and%20northern%20Sinai[/url].

DeepSight:
Ok. I will be back later.

Correct

DeepSight:
Sorry you cant send me on errands to start examining past posts. I am tired.

You are right so let's not allow that boy distract. Let's talk about issues and not use an idiot as a reference if we are not prepare to quote from him.

DeepSight:
Frankly I have no problem with them enjoying their so called homeland so long as they live and let live and quit the apartheid system of slavery they practice.

The stats shows you are wrong. Arab Israelis have as much rights as jews.
Let's talk Gaza.
We can talk about the so called apartheid and slavery if you have any evidence of that.

DeepSight:
You know very well I am not easily swayed. He has delivered strong points.

Please mention 2 of his points. I am not speaking to him because he is abusive and not very intelligent. But if point out his points I would address them. He said the Arab slavery was about raising men for war. You want me to respond to such level of ignorance?

DeepSight:
That is the evidence. They are obviously white. Not surprising having cross bred extensively in Europe for centuries.

So your point is that they no longer have a right to their inheritance because of cross breeding?
Are you saying that every light skinned, blue eyed Arab should no longer have rights and inheritance in Arab soil?
What is your point really.

DeepSight:
That South African Nigerian, Esan, Sangresan has wiped the floor with you guys today and shown you up as ignorant. Give it up.

I know you are excited by anyone on your side but if I ask you to mention his points, we both know you won't have anything to say so let's not allow him distract us.