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kppo:
A) I have faith because I am a believer
or
B) I am a believer because I have faith

Faith is the REASON and EVIDENCE to Believing as a Christian.


Faith is TRUST and RELIANCE on the INTEGRITY of a Personality (GOD or Person). Faith is a FUNCTION of RELATIONSHIP!
eg. My Wife will never betray me


Belief is a POSITION we choose to take when our EVIDENCE about a situation is SUBJECTIVE or when our KNOWLEDGE about a situation is INCOMPLETE.
eg. I believe that with time Iran will acquire a Nuclear Bomb.


Knowing is a POSITION we choose to take when our EVIDENCE about a situation is OBJECTIVE or our KNOWLEDGE is ABSOLUTE.
eg. I know a ball when I see one.



A Believer is a STATE of Being
Faith is what is owned by a person

A Christian thus is a BELIEVER because he has FAITH!


But this is not to say that a person cannot believe FIRST but end up having FAITH. eg. A Nominal Christian becoming Born Again

Expanse2020:
So you are that dulllled to know that every Country had her own law .....

So if someone broke the law and was served her right punishment, so you have to blamed it on religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaii
Africa and her mentality
What a disgrace you are

Sharia is the law of Mohammed for Muslims isn't it?

You don't want to follow the Sunnah of your prophet!?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this not your statement insinuating so?

Yes and I stand by it just like DIVORCE is NOT a Sin BUT God says "I hate Divorce" Malachi 2:16

If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

I am waiting!
The letters kill!

Dtruthspeaker:
I could not attend to your questions because i already had objections to the the first part of your statement which shows that you believe polygamy is right, even though you are trying to use the N.T to kind of still say that is not allowed, which I have heard people say. But this is double speaking, plus the Truth is that we all get that you people do not really believe that polygamy is completely wrong and that is the beginning of my grouse with this issue.
So, basically you are saying polygamy is allowed and not allowed and that is not right.

Yes, it might appear that getting to the Truth of this issue might not take one out of Christ but however, getting it will definitely help us to understand God and Christ more and definitely increase our confidence when we are representing Him. And even more importantly, you may see like i do that it is another BIG LIE! And if you Truly love God, there is no way that if you see this Lie told that you won't rise up and wholly condemn it, the way you do against Muslims.

So, to address your Bible quotes up first you do real eyes that Paul said "to me" and not that he was saying that is The Law and two, via Moses, you are moving the post to divorce whereas the issue whether polygamy is right in the Eye of God.

So, i urge you to take out time to uncover the Truth as you did to Muslims so that when you are representing God on this issue, you can be sure that you are right beyond all reasonable doubt as you are against Muslims

Evidence that you were NOT listening at all.

Show me anywhere where I made or insinuated the claim highlighted in YELLOW?

If your premise is wrong, everything built upon it cannot stand!

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=139771135][/quote]There is no compulsion only that if you put not on your hijab, you'd be flogged.


Its like armed robbers asking you politely to hand over your money!
Do you think you have any choice!?

Dtruthspeaker:
Brother, at least can you now say that your thoughts on this issue is wrong? At least, even if you don't want to accept my own theory on it, you should at go back and research it, for there is no way God can ever support or justify an evil act. Polygamy means a spouse has/is commuting adultery. There is no one in the world who can remove adultery from polygamy

1. You were NOT listening to me at all
2. You had a preconceived notion of what you think I am saying and you went at tangent.
3. If you had answered some of my questions that you deliberately ignored, it would have been a level field of discussion: unfortunately, you chose not to.

Since this wouldn't take either you or me out of Christ, its okay.

You assume I justified Polygamy but you were very wrong.

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

A sin is a SIN whether in the OT or in the NT and God hates SIN! God doesn't condone any moral SIN irrespective of what it is.

Jesus brought us back to the IDEAL design of God in Marriage
1. He made them Man and Woman
2. God hate Divorce.
3. Moses allowed some deviation because of the hardness of the heart of people but from the beginning it was not so.

Even though Moses allowed Divorce, God hates it BUT I do not think that it is a direct Moral SIN and God has not changed His stance on Divorce till tomorrow.

Mal 2:16:
"The LORD, the God of Israel, says, “I hate divorce— and the covering of violence with one’s garment,” says the LORD of hosts. “Therefore guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously.”"

WriteerNg:

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Cheers to those who wanted to disarm the Iranian army but got their faces burnt.

You're lucky the US is well hidden behind 2 oceans. Imagine it was near Iran in the Middle East. You for see horror film.

That's to your shame as Ive never once even commented on the USA-Iran war.

But at l can confidently say that Trump the wannabe strongman Putin bit more than he could chew with Iran just like Putin bit more than he could chew with Ukraine.

Sorry!

WriteerNg:

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What propaganda?

That Russia has less external and internal debt than the US & Europe?

Its okay, at least you were honest enough!

Moscow had been burning in the last two days from Ukrainian Drones.
But of course, you wouldn't hear this news.

Cheers to those who wanted to disarm the Ukrainian Army!

BlackViper:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/18/iran-parastoo-ahmadi-74-lashes-singing-without-hijab

This people will NOT cease to amaze me about the disrespect they have for their God.

Their God says
Qur'an 2:256
لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
English translation:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."


But No!
The voice of Mohammed supercede that of Allah.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
Narrated `Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


This is the Warning to the Singing Girl: there is compulsion in ISLM

WriteerNg:

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Well that's impressive then, if that's all Russia is owing other countries (external debt). A measly $58 Billion.

Now compare that with the US & EU.

I don't need too.
I only need to show you when you have swallowed a propaganda without knowing as usual of you.

I don't care about EU or USA or NATO. For now, I care only about Ukraine.

WriteerNg:

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And you still too blind to read the other part that says Russia’s debt was $60 billion.

$62 billion and 58 billion, what's the difference? $4 billion.

Common sense no really common.

Abi u still dey wait for AI to do the thinking for you?

Your statement is not factually true as written.

The key discrepancy is that the $4.2 billion record decrease refers to Russia's external public (government) debt, not its total external debt.

Check!

WriteerNg:

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If you can read you'll see that your own results says Russia’s debt early this year was $62 billion.

My own post says it reduced to $58 billion. That is $4. 2 billion was removed.

Early this year could be January or February but my own post says April.

Go and fix your eyes.

According to your claim:

Is it factually true that Russia's external debt decreased by a record $4.2 billion in April.

The answer as you could see with no comments from me was NO!

Kaliningrad:
Russia's National Debt Decreases To $58 Billion In April (Photos)

🔗 Izvestia RU

I Asked Google AI the Question

Is it factually true that Russia's external debt decreased by a record $4.2 billion in April.

Since the Ukraine Russia war, how has the economic indices of Russia performed and the implications explained in layman's terms

Be Truthful


The responses are attached

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was to avoid my questions and restate your position.

1. Who did Adam succeed if he is a khalifa?

2. Were the Angels WRONG about their claim (Yes or No)?

3. What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

4. Allah did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

5. Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?

6. Is Iblis not the best Muslim the wouldn't commit shirk?

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was point out several errors by Allah in your Qur'an.

Let me show you
1. In Qur'an 2:30:
“And when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I will make upon the earth a vicegerent/khalifah(successor,..


Who did Adam succeed?
For a person to be a khalifa, there must be a caliphate before him.

2. Qur'an 2:30:
....,They said, 'Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?' Allah said, 'Indeed, I know that which you do not know.'"

It seems the Angels were more knowledgeable than Allah as they were correct that Allahs creation will shed blood and cause corruption on the earth!

Were the Angels WRONG?

What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

3. Then Allah gave the Angels a very silly exam that has no correlation with their concerns about Adam.

Quran 2:31
"And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: 'Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.'"

He did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

4. At least you admit that satan was the enemy of Adam and Eve who caused them to be driven out of paradise to the place of pain , bloodshed and corruption BECAUSE the violated Allahs command of not eating of the tree.
LOL!!
You even admitted that the earth is a place of enemity
Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

It shows how messed up Islam is. Islam doesn't comprehend the spiritual truths of events.


5. Of course Allah destined that Iblis will tempt man and succeed as Iblis is the best Muslim who wouldn't commit shirk by bowing down to Adam.

It seems that Allah is indeed the first deceiver that decieved Iblis.

Qur'an 15:39
"[Iblis] said: 'O my Lord! Because You misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.'"


Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?


Qur'an 3:54
"And they schemed, and Allah schemed, and Allah is the best of deceivers"


See how warped SLM is!
Sorry!!

Expanse2020:
No
Father sin / father guilt are not proclaimed on son .
Everybody account for his sins. Ok
and that what bible also said that why I showed you the verse earlier..
The creation of Adam and his descendants (including us was said to have live here on earth initially that is our destiny not the guilty or punishment of Adam ... Adam was just a channel for us to be here) don't mixed it together..
Adam Sin on his own with her wife and also asked for forgiveness and he pardoned them also ..

Allah pardoned them and still chased them out of paradise a place of enjoyment to the earth a place of pain and death!?

Qur’an 2:36
“But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, ‘Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.’”

Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

All Adams children/descendants as a consequence are trapped on this earth as ENEMIES because of this! Make it make sense!

Dtruthspeaker:
Scrutiny dictates that "By doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth". Peter Abelard

You already appreciate that i do not believe your view is right and therefore I have asked you questions on your view in which you say God gave David Saul's wives. And now i have pointed out that by your interpretation, in the second leg of that passage God gave David, the the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives for him to husband/wife them all.

And now that you see the second leg's interpretation contradicts you view on the first keg, you now seek to break your interpretation of that passage and depart from it, by moving post to plead different purposes.

This clearly proves that you are bending the passage according to your views. For the passage is already self explanatory and it's purposes are clear, which according to your interpretation, God gave David Saul's wives. the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives too.

So, after you have first given an interpretation to the passage, now the second leg of that passage points out that your interpretation of the first passage is wrong, you have now taken it upon yourself to divide and appropriate interpretations to them. A clear case of arbitrary selective judgement This is fraudulent and Wrong!

You can't interpret Akara as from beans and then say that moi moi is not from beans.

So, do you now see that you are very wrong and that the scripture does not support your view?

I hear you!

Expanse2020:
what if the verse were addressing people following Sodom and Gomorrah and you misquote it ..
The foundation is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve




[i]ehen so na everybody automatically a sinner even the small a day, month baby that died too he don get sin and will end in hell be that[I/]

The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”* – Ezekiel
This what the God of bible said
Why would Jesus responsible for my sin
Why would I be responsible for Adam sin
🥱

So, tell me!
Why did Allah chase Adam and his unborn descendants out of paradise when only Adam and his wife ate from the tree!


Adams descendants are being punished for his sins!?

Dtruthspeaker:
By asking me this question, do you now see and agree that your opinion here is wrong? For clearly, you are saying that God David Saul's wives, the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) in addition to their wives which you now find it difficult to say.

If you agree that you are wrong, then i can proceed to answer the questions you asked, so that we are both sure of what is right. And right you think you are right and i am just want to make certain that you are right. But if you agree you are wrong, then we can both examine my views to see if me too I'm wrong or right

I other words, your questions was wrongly perceived.

In context each of these were given to David for different purposes.

However,
You seem only to respond to snippets of my posts. You avoid issues that conflict with your views. This isn't good!

Any solid Theology must stand up to scrutiny!

AntiChristian:
No be everything be miracle. If you want to do miracles come follow me go Burial ground or Mortuary!

Hospitals plenty too wey get serious cases!

Jesus healed many that were not even Christians by today's standard!

Salvation is a miracle by God of converting a person with the nature of sin to one who is a Child of God!

Abudu cannot comprehend this!?

John 1:12-13:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Sorry!
The heavens are joyful over this repentant sinner

Luk 15:7:
"I say to you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repents, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."


Too bad, Abudu cannot comprehend this!

Expanse2020:
So Abraham fall to due to polygamy
Job fall too
Jacob fall too
Solomon fall too
Moses fall too right

Khai!
When spiritual IQ is at sub freezing temperatures!

The meaning is that The fall of Adam made all humans to have imperfect natures that does things outside God's perfect will.
This is why ALL humans with no exception are sinners by nature: just as like pigs by nature are prone to filth humans are prone to sin!
SMH!!


How many wives did God the originator of MARRIAGE give to Adam? Jesus returned us to that standard!

Mat 19:4-5:
"And he answered and said to them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall join to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh?"

Dtruthspeaker:
Read it again it is not only Saul's wives he was given in that passage.

The passage expressly says that
"I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. i gave you the house of Israel and Judah."

So, by your understanding in the second attached leg of that passage, are you saying that even the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose) were given to David to wife or husband in addition to their wives, since God Said He even gave him their "house" also in addition to Saul's wife as you say?

I guess I should simplify it for you

For what purpose did God gave David
1. The House of Saul
2. The Kingdom of Saul (House of Israel)
3. The Wives of Saul?
etc


Secondly,
1. Exo 20:14:
"You shall not commit adultery."

If I understood you correctly,
You are saying that God condoned the sin of ADULTERY in the Old Testament!
Abraham, Jacob, David, Gideon etc


2. You should tell me why God did not address the sin of ADULTERY of the man with two wives here

Deu 21:15-17:
"If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he makes his sons to inherit that which he has, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he has: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."

3. You seem not to know that there was even a law for the treatment and protection of Concubines in the Law of Moses for Isrealite Daughters sold as a servant to another Israelite.

Exodus 21:7-11 -
"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has violated her. If he selects her for his son, he must treat her as a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not decrease the first woman's food, clothing, or marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money."

In those days, people like David had 3 Concubines, Abraham had 1 concubine (Hagar),





Original Intent of God:
"According to Genesis 2:21-24, God's original intent was for marriage to be between one man and one woman, and that has never changed."

Christianity's View:
"Jesus Christ has restored the sacred institution of marriage to its original character, and concubinage is ranked with the sins of fornication and adultery."



Help me solve this problem
Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each.
They all come to your church and you are the pastor.

What is your Christ based advice
1. To Alhaji Anti-christian
2. To each of the current four wives
3. To the first wife.

Dtruthspeaker:
And as i asked the Muslim guy who raised it, so do you say that therefore by this statement David was given everybody's wife wife in Israel and Judah? If it was so, how then did God charge him for taking Uriah's wife, since you say that God gave him everybody's wife?

Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight?

Count 1) thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword,

Count 2) and hast taken his wife to be thy wife,

Count 3) and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

I never said that God gave David everybody's wife but Saul's Wives.
I believe that God did NOT lie in saying that He gave Saul's Wives (plural) to David.
Uriah was ALIVE when David took his wife and then killed him BUT Saul was DEAD when David became King.



Let me give you a challenge:
1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament!

2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament!



Except if all the Patriarch were in active sin and God was silent!

Dtruthspeaker:
Bros, you are wrong here. Polygamy is a sin because it contains adultery.

What you fail to appreciate is that is an old sin like prostitution is to women. That is why Genesis even tells us who was the first to break God's Law of one man,one wife which now even became the tradition of the world which God destroyed. A tradition people keep unwisely boasting in saying "its our custom and tradition/I'm a traditional man".

You fail to see that it is a sin because it is the old pagan idolism that you have been accustomed to.

It is not for nought that Genesis shows us who started the tradition of polygamy and to think that he is even a seed of Cain. Now, you see why Christ lineage came through Seth, the people who called on God!i This clearly shows us that God never created nor ordained polygamy.

Who was speaking to David here?
What did He give to David?

2 Samuel 12:8.
"I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that were not enough, I would have given you even more."

Is God a partaker of sin?

God's ideal plan did not include POLYGAMY!
God allowed polygamy in the olden times because of the frailties of men.

God will not ALLOW sin in any form.


Jesus came to RESTORE us the God's original order of Marriage.

A Christian will NOT be Polygamous even if its NOT a Sin.

However, an Unbeliever who was Polygamous need NOT divorce his Wives when he comes to Christ.


Explain why God allowed Solomon to be the successor of David seeing that (according to your thinking) he's a product of Adultery by the man after His heart.

Expanse2020:
So there is no direct way God said he banned or forbid polygamy
🤣🤣🤣

Polygamy was instituted by man because he fell into sin through Adam.

Jesus returned us to the original plan of God for Marriage.

Some things were Allowed in the past because of the hardness of the hearts of human beings.

Example: WRT Divorce , Jesus said
Mat 19:8:
"He said to them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts allowed you to divorce your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."

Jesus explained why Divorce was ALLOWED by Moses and that it wasn't God's plan.

Your prophet went back to the outdated laws forgetting that God hates divorce.

Mal 2:16:
"For the LORD, the God of Israel, said that he hates divorce: for one covers violence with his garment, said the LORD of hosts: ..."

Same with POLYGAMY: its a relic of the FALL of Man through Adam and Eve.

AntiChristian:
She didn't cut out her Bobs away or has Jesus replaced the twin bobs too?

Anyone could achieve this without necessarily involving Jesus! And many have! The transgender illness is curable through therapy, conditioning and environmental changes.

It pained you abi!?

That a SINNER can repent through JESUS Christ!


Should you not at least rejoice with her that she's not doing suicide bombing of innocent souls?