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AbuAeesha:
Noted.

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This is Islam!
LOL!!





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Mattswaggz:
Okay Russia have lost everything and they're fighting with shovels.....happy now?. .

If that's what you've understood me to mean: its your cup of tea

Mattswaggz:
Same reason US you defended attacked Cuba..... nuff said.

I am not supporting USA nor NATO nor EU nor the West.

I support Ukraine with respect to Russian bullying

Mattswaggz:
I wasn't arguing this at all.... hypocrisy and self delusion is something I don't have in me.

I flipped your own test on you and you failed. This is hypocrisy!

Kuginzi:
B

I feel your pain.
Get well soon

I understand you.

It is normal for a o person under the spell of a fraudster to think everyone else hates him UNTIL it is too late.

Sorry!

Kuginzi:
And how is that your Business?

Mk 16:15-16:
"And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned.(to Hell Fire)"


Now you know!

Kuginzi:
Keep your truth, advice or comment to yourself. We don't need it here.
Mind your religion while we mind ours. It is not by force

You have been guaranteed your place by Allah himself

Qur'an 19:71
"And there is none of you except he will come to it(Hell Fire). This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed."
Qur'an 19:72
"Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.


Only that you do NOT know how long you are spending there before you are free. Your freedom depends on us as Christians and Jews.

BUT does it make sense that Allah will use sinners like me to ransom you from hell?

Mattswaggz:
Same reason US attacked Cuba.....I brought up the example for a reason.....and now that you've been defending them....why are you against Russia?. .

This wasn't my question

I said:
Using this your argument
What then in your opinion gives Russia the right then to attack Ukraine?


I am waiting!

Mattswaggz:
Stop asking dumb questions....they were in Kyiv to instill regime change.....they never had any intention to annex entire Ukraine.

So, you admit the failed in this quest to install a regime change in another sovereign nation.

Lets assume that Russia succeeded in instituting a regime change in Ukraine. Would the new leadership be servant to the Ukrainian people or to Putin/Russia?


Is this correct by you that any big country can invade Nigeria to effect a regime change?

Mattswaggz:
Same reason US attacked Cuba.....I brought up the example for a reason.....and now that you've been defending them....why are you against Russia?. .

Meaning that you are a hypocrite: I defend not NATO, USA, EU or the West.
It is you who defend why Russia has the right to invade another sovereign nation.

Mattswaggz:
1) very difficult at this point in time
2) 60%+ achieved but can hardly reach 90% talk more of 100%
3) Neutrality has been 99.9% achieved as no chance of joining NATO.
4) Liberation of donbas has also being achieved regardless of Ukraine acceptance or not..... that's the reality that Mr comedian is grappling with till date failing to realize that he can't do anything about it.

1. Correct: it is actually impossible for Putin
2. It is actually Russia that is being Demilitarised now. Where is the Russian Navy? Hiw many armoured tanks does Russia still have now? Has Russia restored the third of their destroyed strategic air frames?
3. Neutrality had been statuesque. NATO had not invited Ukraine meaning that Russia was fighting a war of assumption.
4. Five years on Donbas!? More than 90% of Donbas was already captured by Russia in the first year of the war. Now, Russia is crawling like a snail loosing General and privates alike.
5. Denazification!? Even Russians are confused by what they mean by the word.
5. Recognition of independence of separatist regions: The Russian horde are angry that Zelensky not surrender!
LOL!


Perhaps, Putin should send an emisry to Kiev to beg that Zelensky surrender?
SMH!!

Mattswaggz:
So if Nigeria is building something in Cameroon with the government of Cameroon approval, Egypt can attack Cameroon right?.....thanks for establishing your hypocrisy. .

Using this your argument
What then in your opinion gives Russia the right then to attack Ukraine?

I am waiting!
This goal shifting Hypocrite!

Mattswaggz:
All I needed to ask myself was why Ukraine as a whole wasn't taken if it was just a matter of Russia showing it strength......since Crimea was taken till today I've never heard of a disdain instead like I stated earlier and you ignored..... wasn't it the same Ukraine that attacked Crimea during this present conflict?.....if they view them as forcefully departed brothers then why are they attacking them?....I guess logic isn't ur thing though....just swallow some lumps of propaganda and all is good. .

Almost five years the gallant soldiers of Ukraine stood against the onslaught of the Russian horde and they have NOT even been able to occupy their desired four Oblasts.

It seems you forgot that Russia was stopped at Kiev in the first 14 days of the war.

Tell me, what was the Russian Army doing in Kiev when all they wanted is the four oblasts?

Cremia!?
It seems you do not know that Ukraine had been relentlessly bombing Russian military assets in Cremia and in all the occupied oblasts.

Sorry!

Putin cannot be wrong!
Russia is perfect!

Only brainwashed people think like this

Mattswaggz:
Still beating about the bush......so Cuba is no longer a sovereign country?.

Is compression your problem

Who was building the nuclear missile base in Cuba: was it Cuba or the Soviet Union?

Mattswaggz:
Present evidence regarding this(Crimea voting at gun point)because I won't take information from your source that claimed Russia has 1M casualties in this present conflicts. .


It won't be legal and that's same thing those supporting Ukraine have been doing as well.....I thought they were all saints....About the UN.... they're another political tool....there are many countries that need separating for peace to reign but they've done nothing about them.

That was never my point..... everyone should have the freedom to chose who to align with....if Cuba feels they'll be safer with Russia....why should that be anyone's problem?.

I repeat again that's because of the Russian concern or don't you understand English?.

You mean you don't care about same US you've been defending here about Cuba?.

All you needed to do was to ask yourself
Who organised and conducted the referendum?

Was it UN or Ukraine or Russia?

Mattswaggz:
The Russian speakers that dominate the donbas also see Putin as a hero for liberating them....Also...
1)You mean the so called crippling they couldn't do long ago?.....or were they lacking the capacity to do that years ago?. .

2)All his pillarship will end at nothing if he still couldn't join NATO and lose the donbas which holds significant amount of his country's rare earth minerals.

3) Ukraine has always been a military power house in Europe which is part of the reason why Russia forbids they fall into enemies hands.

4)More propaganda and sooth saying.... .....let them achieve peace and dare to enter NATO again let's see if Russia will invade or not....and about your imaginary million casualties,wiped out armoured tanks and navy.....why not just add the popular propaganda of Russia fighting with shovels as well and spice it with it's the ghosts of Kyiv that still keeping the donbas under Russian country since almost all have been lost for them huh?. .


Because strength has helped someone achieve so much in life doesn't mean he should rely on it at all times......all the comedian could've done was go to the table guarantee the safety of the Russian speakers in donbas,declare not to join NATO and maintain a neutral stand between the west and Russia but he feels he has millions of life to play with to fill his ego and now those who pushed him are broke and have abandoned him.

Lets look at the demands of Putin at the beginning this senseless war

1. Regime change in Kyiv
2. Demilitarization of Ukraine
3. Denazification
4. Neutrality/Non-alignment
5. Recognition of independence of separatist regions

Which has been achieved?

Lukgaf:
After integration, differentiation, and simplification… the final answer remains: Eid Mubarak!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY8pqCanXpU?si=RpkGQc_wqxv3z8Fn

I perfectly agree with you


This is Islam: "wuruwuru" to the answer!

Mattswaggz:
I've told you earlier that hypocrisy isn't good.....just come out and be plain.... simple.

You claimed you're not defending the US in that scenario but went ahead to do so with different points....... should any country determine how another do their thing when they didn't attack them directly?..... wasn't Cuba a sovereign nation and don't they have the right to align with whomever they want to?.....Did they attack America to trigger a response?......or you think justice is sentimental?.

You asked a question and I answered you from the point of view of Ukraine that its not a similar case

To your questions:
Is it Cuba that was building a Nuclear base in Cuba (a domestic affair) or the Soviet Union building a Nuclear base in Cuba (a foreign affair)

In this case, it was the Soviet Union building her Nuclear weapon base in Cuba.

And when you talk, always retrospect
Did Russia install their Nuclear Missile facility in Belarus. For your information Belarus is a neighbour to EU.

Mattswaggz:
1) Crimea wanted to be part of Russia....there was a referendum and they voted to be with Russia....your Ukraine so loved Crimea that they attacked them severally during this present confrontation. .

You mean at gun point?

Because, the referendum took place AFTER Russia annexed Cremia.
Did you forget this?

Mattswaggz:
2) They achieved giving humans want they want which is what democracy and justice is all about.

We have United Nations for such a purpose like self determination.

Will it be legal for USA to Invade Nigeria, carve out the Niger Delta area amd claim they voted to be an independent country?

Mattswaggz:
3)But it wasn't logical for Cuba to look for another protector right.....you'll expose yourself with your sentiments sooner than later. .

Except you dont know your history. Cuba had never in history being a little brother to USA. Cuba had NEVER being under US protected unlike Ukraine.

Mattswaggz:
4) Ukraine were preparing to join NATO and NATO would've accepted them if Russia kept mum......and just like Cuba this is a preemptive attack and you defended one above because it's from the side you like.

Still hypothetical!
Ukraine wanted to join bith EU and NATO.
They were given a greenlight for EU membership but never NATO membership.

Mattswaggz:
Just concede that the people supporting Ukraine are terrible at their foreign policies. They want other countries eg Cuba, Venezuela, Afghanistan etc to be an Ally but their strategy is to clip their wings brutally by war if necessary.

I dont care about any other country other than Ukraine here.

Interestingly in my opinion, USA in particular had mistreated Ukraine several times and worse under Trump. EU had been too weak and indecisive wrt Ukraine.

But I see Zelensky as a Hero who wouldn't allow
1. Ukraine to be permanently crippled under Russia militarily, economically and politically.
2. Who had been a pillar in the strength of Ukraine able to stand against Russia a country that is btw 8-12 bigger in all ramifications
3. Who has turned Ukraine into a military powerhouse in Europe
4. Who has earned the respect of even Russia. Never in their lives will Russia attempt to invade Ukraine again. They gave Russia a bloody nose. Its not a small fit to cause Russia more than a million war casualties and virtually wiped out Russian Armoured tanks and Navy

buygala:
The problem isn't killing heads of whatever, as the US has learnt at great expense in Iran

As long as the underlying issues remain unresolved, there will be millions of young men who will replace such dead leaders...and those new leaders will very likely be more reckless and deadly than the ones they replaced.

The underlining issue is impossible to resolve because it is based on Islamic ideology.

The only thing that will please these people is the complete eradication of Israel . This is why they chant "From the River to the Sea"

buygala:
Funniest thing I read this year was Trump threatening Iran if they make an attempt is made on his life .... When he bombed their leader Ayatollah and his entire family to oblivion, was he expecting hugs and kisses from them in return? .

So Putin who hasn't made an attempt on Zelensky's life despite being at war with Ukraine is stupid yeah?

Zelensky has survived several assassination attempts from Russia since the beginning of the war.
pls check!

Mattswaggz:
You need no defend them to show your ur fangs......your avoiding my question regarding Cuba was enough indication.....so go ahead and answer them then you'll get your own reply to this question. .

I am definitely pro-Ukraine.

Unfortunately, you think erroneously that anyone that is pro-Ukraine must also be pro-NATO and pro-West and pro-EU and pro-America. SMH!

This was the error in your so-called Cuba question

Mattswaggz:
Would the west had succeeded without Ukraine being in the plot just like now again?. .

Or when Cuba wanted to align with Russia militarily, was it Russia the US threatened to, and attacked or Cuba?.

Your question about Cuba is irrelevant to me as I do not wrt Ukraine defend USA.

Not withstanding, its completely different scenarios
1. The Soviet Union had secretly begun deploying nuclear missiles in Cuba to protect Fidel Castro's regime and counter U.S. missiles in Turkey
Note:
It wasn't a suspicion or insinuation by the US. Unlike Russia who assumed Ukraine was being actively brought into NATO

2. U.S. U-2 spy plane photographed the nuclear missile sites actively under construction in Cuba by Russia
Note:
This wasn't an assumption but an active construction.

3. President Kennedy discussed with his cabinet options of bombing the sites, invasion or blockade of Cuba.
The US president addressed the nation on TV, revealing the missiles and announcing a naval "quarantine" (blockade) of Cuba to prevent more Soviet weapons from arriving

4. Soviet ships approach the blockade line but were stopped and turned back, avoiding direct confrontation.


5. In October , a U.S. U-2 plane is shot down over Cuba, killing the pilot. Military advisors urge invasion, but Kennedy chooses diplomacy

6. On October 28, 1962, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev announced he would dismantle and remove the missiles from Cuba

7. Crises was resolved!

Note that there were DIRECT and "PROVABLE" involvement of the Soviet Union in this matter.

There was high level stake negotiations between the USA and the Soviet Union.







Knowing this (I am not defending USA in any way as they are not my concern)

1. Why did Russia annex Cremia?
Because it has nothing to do with Ukraine wanting to join NATO!

Is it possible that Russia did it to take the strategically important warm sea port that belonged to Ukraine?

2. What did Russia achieve strategically by annexing Cremia?
Did Ukraine suddenly began to love Russian's and see them as protectors a d big brother?


3. After the annexation of Cremia, is it LOGICAL that Ukraine looked for another protector other than Russia?

4. 2008, 2014 and 2018 Ukraine took steps to join NATO. Is it true that Ukraine was never formally promised NATO membership nor Were they formally invited into NATO?



Just concede that Russia is terrible at their foreign policies. You want Ukraine to be an Ally but your strategy is to clip its wings.

Would the west had succeeded without Ukraine being in the plot just like now again?.

It seems you did not know the reason Ukrainians opposed Viktor Yanukovych
What Ukrainian decision did he reverse that cost him his presidency?

maasoap:
How did this make sense to you when it was Ukraine/Zelensky killing and persecuting Ukraine citizens of Russia origin?

Facts over sentiments please

I think you should logically analyse your dogmatic claim here
1. After the coup in 2014 where the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych was removed

Was it TRUE that Russia invaded Ukraine over their internal matter and annexed Cremia?

in addition,

Was it TRUE that Russia sponsored and Armed the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine to start uprising against Ukraine?

As a result of this,

Was it TRUE that the Ukrainian government responded by conducting an “anti-terrorist operation” against these armed separatist groups in Donbas?


2. If you disagree with these above, show LOGICALLY how Ukraine/Zelensky just STARTED killing and persecuting innocent UNARMED Ukraine citizens of Russia origin?

To help you think:
Was Viktor Yanukovych REMOVED because he abruptly rejected an EU association agreement in November 2013, after months of preparation in anticipation of joining EU because of , Russian pressure
OR
Because Viktor was an Ethnic Russian?

3. Agreed that NATO nor the West do not have any right to control the political and economic space of a sovereign nation like Ukraine.
So, Kindly tell yourself why you think Russia should have the exclusive right to control the political and economic space of a sovereign nation like Ukraine.


4. Do you think Ukraine shouldn't have conducted an “anti-terrorist operation” against these Russian Sponsored armed separatist groups in Donbas?
What was your expectations?


Unfortunately, you are so blind that any support for Ukraine is treated by you as a defence and support for NATO, America and the West in general. SMH!

Mattswaggz:
Lol....you latter lines confirm you're a proper western apologist who seek information which are propaganda from their own media. .

Anyways,now present your evidences of the claims you made above though.......show me where Russia said that they're after the whole of Ukraine because unlike you I don't feed on propaganda.....I work with verified information not hearsay and sentiment and I was following the build up to the SMO and what led to it....if you claim otherwise then present your evidences....I am waiting.

You forget that you are the confirmed Russian Apologist.
I dare you to show me anywhere I have defended NATO or America in this chat.

Do you agree that Russia is the coward for attacking Ukraine when in actual fact, NATO is their enemy?

Mattswaggz:
Still haven't answered my question huh?. .

Ukraine stand to gain peace....they needn't surrender unconditional.... just being neutral and accepting their loses (donbas region) will do....or do you think continually fighting will achieve anything significant for Ukraine at this point in time?. .

Wrong answer!

1. Ukraine already had peace before Russia invaded it with their senseless war.
2. You think all what Russia wanted was the Donbas region!?
No!
Russia wanted the capitulation of Ukraine
Nothing short of this will please Russia.
3. If Ukraine had surrendered, they would have lost permanently access to the sea. Economically, they would have been permanently slaves to Russia.




BUT
Almost FIVE years after. Ukraine is still standing.
Ukraine still has her dignity
At least, they are slaves to no one

Unfortunately,
Russia now has over a million casualties
Russia has lost almost all her armoured tanks.
Russia has lost a chunk of her oil refineries.
Russia has lost respect from Ukraine
Russia has lost a lot of money

Mattswaggz:
For the most I know if you've asked any questions at all, they're mostly rhetorical that's why I told you to highlight/give a glimpse of it so I can answer it......so go ahead.

You should have answered the so-called rhetorical questions before accusing another person of not answering your questions. Perhaps, I also viewed your questions as rhetorical!

LOL!!


Bottom line:
1. Putin had made up his mind about taking the four Oblasts of Ukraine
2. If Ukraine surrendered immediately to Russia,
a. They would still have lost the four oblasts
b. Russia will dictate who henceforth rules Ukraine and Ukraine at best will be like Belarus.
c. Ukraine would be economically permanently crippled and dependent upon Russia for survival because Ukraine will not have access to the Sea again.
d. There is no guarantee that Ukraine would not be totally annexed and absorbed into Russia
3. Putin actually despises Zelensky as a person. He is a comedian and clown not fit to rule Ukraine. The disrespect is part of the reason for the attack. Zelensky was expected to FLEE Ukraine on the first day of the unwarranted war.


Except if you can list for me what Ukraine stands to gain by surrendering to Putin Economically, Politically or Militarily

Mattswaggz:
Which one's....do highlight them so I can answer them since you failed to call my attention regarding not answering any of your questions while I am sure I've call your attention regardless not answering my questions and applying deflection tactic.

Just highlight them again so I can answer if that's your requirements to answer my own questions....simple. .

We haven't chatted for too long, so you can just review our past comments

Mattswaggz:
Lol ...You still haven't answered my question.

Did you answer any of my questions?

smallsmall:
You cant know an Agreement, more than the Parties to the Agreement, right?

So, if President of France (Macron) and Prime Minister of Germany at the time (Angela Merkel) who were signatory to the Agreement, say Ukraine could not have honored the Agreement they all signed with Russia, because they had no intention of keeping the Agreement.... that they only used it to buy time to Arm Ukraine to NATO Standard, so it can be used to fight Russia.

Who are you, what do you know, to say They both broke the Agreement when Russia is the one complaining that Ukraine did not keep its end of the Agreement?
And that statement is a fact because
- the agreement requires Ukraine to grant Political Autonomy to those Russian-Speakers of Donbass, Zelensky refused.

-The agreement requires Ukraine to allow the people of Donbass to keep their Language, Culture and Religion, Zelensky canceled everything

- The agreement requires Ukraine not to attack Donbass, Zelensky launched what he called "Anti-Terrorist Operations", using Armored tanks, Bombs, Missiles, against his own Russian-speaking people of Donbass.

Russia had to step-in to save those people otherwise, Zelensky would have wiped them out by now.


Now, tell us how Russia did not keep its own side of the Agreement
I dont like people to wallow blissfully in Ignorance, e dey pain Persin

Did Russia break both Minsk 1 and 2 agreements?
WHY?


Did Ukraine break both Minsk 1 and 2 agreements?
WHY?

So, who is crying the loudest?

Mattswaggz:
Would the west had succeeded without Ukraine being in the plot just like now again?. .

Or when Cuba wanted to align with Russia militarily, was it Russia the US threatened to, and attacked or Cuba?.

Tell me,
How powerful is Ukraine compared to the West?
If Nigeria decides to institute a Coup in Benin Republic, do you think they can stop it?

Paul Biyah had been the President of Cameroon for almost 50 years against the wish of Cameroonians, yet he remains the President thanks to FRANCE. If Macron wants Biyah removed tomorrow, it will be done. Its the way international brute politics works.

If Tinubu want a governor removed, do you think such a governor can resist it?

So. my claim stands.

Russia is scared of the West.
So, they cowardly faced the Victim of the West (Ukraine).




I am sure you probably want Tinubu replaced unfortunately, the truth remains that you dont have such a power. Anyone fighting you because Tinubu is your president is a Coward!