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Crime › Re: 3 Women Lured With Malaysia Job Offers, But Taken To Mali To Work As Sex Slaves by TenQ: 5:26pm On Apr 19

We4all:
The same stories, patterns and experiences. It is either these girls are d..u..m...b.. or pretending to be.

No. They aren't dumb.
They are desperate!
When a young lady looks at her future and it looks bleak any good sounding offer that promises to take them out of this country sparks a big hope in them.

Only that the predators are working directly for satan and have no conscience.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Believer Have More Than One Spiritual Father? by TenQ: 6:12pm On Apr 18*

kppo:
Thank you for this scripture. I thought I was the only one who had that scripture in mind concerning the topic of this thread. Paul's writings okays having spiritual fathers, but Jesus frowns against it in Matthew 23. When there are contradictions like that in the bible, I choose to go with the words of Jesus, not Paul.

I dont think its a contradiction: it is more or less a figure of speech as used by Paul.

Paul Never claimed to be CALLED a Spiritual Father as their Source but Christ is their Source and Authority.

1Thes 2:11-12:
"As you know how we exhorted and comforted and charged every one of you, as a father does his children, That you would walk worthy of God, who has called you to his kingdom and glory."

1Cor 4:14-15:
"I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have you not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

Obviously, we have to see it that Jesus is not saying we should stop calling our biological fathers "FATHER" but that we shouldn't elevate them as our Source and Authority as God is our Source and Authority

These verses harmonize perfectly: Paul uses "father" metaphorically for his nurturing spiritual role, not as a prideful title, aligning with Jesus' hyperbolic warning against exalting human leaders over God. Matthew 23 targets religious honorifics that elevate men to divine status , while Paul describes pastoral care without demanding titles

So, the BOTTOM LINE is : Who is the SOURCE and AUTHORITY of your Faith. Is it Man or God!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Believer Have More Than One Spiritual Father? by TenQ: 9:08am On Apr 18

RhemaJet7:
The problem here is, understanding of English Language, understanding of scripture, and discernment of the Spirit

The word, "Father" you quoted, is referred to Heavenly Father, the Father I'm referring to, is a Spiritual Father.

There are many types of father, we also have Biological Father

And more over, you cannot fully understand the scriptures except the Holy Spirit helps you to interpret it.
That is why I keep urging you guys to seek the in-filling of the Holy Spirit, He will teach you many things, even the deep things.
But you have to be born again before Holy Spirit can dwell in you richly.

If Established Institutions like Pastor E.A. Adeboye, Bishop David Oyedepo, etc, can admit that they have Spiritual Fathers, how on earth will you say there is nothing called Spiritual Father?

Hosea 4:6

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

A life without divine guidance, is a life in chaos.

Scripture for Spiritual Fatherhood:

1 Thessalonians 2:11-12

For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children,

encouraging, comforting and urging you to live lives worthy of God, who calls you into his kingdom and glory.

Shalom

You appealed to
1. Modifying the scripture so that it says exactly what your theology is. You had to replace Father with Heavenly Father to make the scripture say exactly what you want to hear.

2. Appealing to human usage that If Pastor E.A. Adeboye, Bishop David Oyedepo, etc can use the term "my Father" , it must be correct!

Jesus was just warning Christians against exalting religious leaders (like Pharisees seeking titles such as "Rabbi" or "Father" ) above God as the ultimate spiritual authority.

Jesus was saying:
Do NOT make Humans your Spiritual Authority: Only God is your spiritual Authority!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Believer Have More Than One Spiritual Father? by TenQ: 12:58am On Apr 18

RhemaJet7:
Can a believer have more than one Spiritual Father?

Ministering:

Prophet Olaide Mudasiru,
Also known as Mudasiru Olaide Ogunyemi.

April 16, 2026.

GRAND MANDATE:

"Go and rebuild the Kingdom of God on earth and in the territories to come"
Ephesians 2: 21.

GLOBAL MANDATE:

"We sit at the brim of United States, delivering people, humble, entertain the world".
Ephesians 2: 21.

MISSION STATEMENT:

"To lead as many people as possible to heaven".

INTRODUCTION

Who is a Spiritual Father?

A spiritual father is a mature Christian leader who provides mentorship, covering, doctrinal guidance, and accountability to foster a believer’s spiritual maturity.

Can a believer have more than one Spiritual Father?
No,
You can have multiple Mentors or Guardians in Christ, but you can not have more than one Father.

1 Corinthians 4:15-17

15. Even if you had ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.
1 Corinthians 4:17

16. I urge you to imitate me.

17. For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

How To Identify Your Spiritual Father?

For the fact that you worship in a church does not mean that the Overall Head of that church is automatically your Spiritual Father.
Only Jesus Christ assigns a Spiritual Father to a believer.
Your Spiritual Father may be the Over Head of your former Church or someone else.
It can as well be the Overall Head of your current church.
To identify your Spiritual Father, therefore, you have to seek the help of the Holy Spirit to reveal him to you.
You can have multiple Mentors or Guardians in Christ, but you can not have more than one Spiritual Father.
Another thing about a Spiritual Father, is that, your Spiritual Father may not even know you from Adam, but in dreams, you will be interacting with each other.
He is the foundation for your calling.

If you choose a wrong person as your Spiritual Father, YOU ARE LOST!

I am speaking from experience, inspired by the Holy Spirit .

When you're filled by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit / anointing will teach you all things, even the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:10.

A life without divine guidance, is a life in chaos.

Seek the in-filling of the Holy Spirit today, and become wiser.

Benefits of having a Spiritual Father:

(1) Spiritual Coverings: A man without a Spiritual Father is running a risk.
Spiritual Father provides coverings that no other person can provide

(2) Empowerment: Impartation of anointing

(3) A Life of Maximum Grace

(4) Spiritual Maturity and Mentorship: They act as coaches, building character and discipline, similar to the relationship between Paul and Timothy.

(5) Guidance and Protection: They offer protection (like a shepherd) and, through their experience, help navigate life's decisions, preventing mistakes and fostering growth.

(6) Impartation of Maximum Grace: They pass down spiritual authority, mantles, and insights gained from their own walk with God.

(7) Accountability and Covering: They provide a safe space for correction and prayer, covering you spiritually and creating a strong foundation for your calling.

( Identity and Legacy: They help clarify your calling, often providing a "spiritual family" and ensuring the continuation of godly values and legacy.

(9) Opportunities for Growth: They provide platforms to serve and develop your skills.

Seek the help of Holy Spirit today, to reveal your Spiritual Father to you.

God bless you.

HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE YET TO BE BORN AGAIN,
THE BEST TIME TO DO THAT IS NOW,
KINDLY FOLLOW MY INSTRUCTIONS BELOW:

(1) Repent today

(2) Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Personal Saviour

(3) Do Water Baptism: at this stage, you shall receive gifts from the Holy Spirit.

Having done all these, then, you shall be saved, be cleansed, experience the peace of God, and secure ETERNITY.

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And guess what? There is no sin that God can not handle, whether you're a Murderer, an Armed Robber, a Prostitute or whatsoever, the moment you have repented, God is always available to receive you, forgive you and shall bless you and you shall have peace in Him.
God is a Father, and He is full of mercy.
God does not want the death of any sinner, He loves you unconditionally.

Every sinner has a hope,

Every sinner has a future.

Say This Prayer After Me Wholeheartedly:

Lord Jesus, thank you for this Gift of Salvation, I am sorry for all the sins I have committed, today, I accept you as my Lord and Personal Saviour, I surrender everything unto you, let your Spirit begin to lead me, guide me, today, I am born again and I promise never to go back to sin anymore, help me Lord, in Jesus Mighty name, amen!

As you have prayed, so shall it be in Jesus Mighty name, amen!

Congratulations!

Luke 15:7

I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Look for a Bible believing church around you and be worshipping there.

At your church, join any Service Unit of your choice and be serving God there, serve with your money, time or other resources.

Continue to love God, seek Him diligently, then you will become more precious to God, and He will be committed to reward you abundantly both on earth and in heaven.
Hebrews 11:6, Matthew 6: 33.

For Prayer Requests and Guidance, kindly call me on:

+2347057905174 (Whatzap)

07057905174.

Note This:

If you're WILLING and OBEDIENT, you will eat the good things of the land.
Isaiah 1: 16.

Wise up!

Anchor Scriptures:

Ephesians 2: 21, Exodus 32: 9-10, Philippians 3: 20-21, John 3:31.

The task of rebuilding the Kingdom of God, is every Believer's responsibilities.

Let's therefore, rise up and build.

United we stand, divided we fall.

God bless you.

I glory in Holy Spirit.

God is good, faithful, and awesome.

Unto Him alone be the glory forever, amen!

Shalom.

Prophet Olaide Mudasiru,
The Rebuilder of God's Kingdom to the world.
Intercessor Over All Nations And kingdoms.
Founder, New Nation Gospel Ministries International,
Nigeria.

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Mat 23:8-10:
"But be not you called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all you are brothers. And call no man your father on the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be you called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."

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Politics › Re: Islamic Cleric Increases Bounty On Pastor’s Head From ₦1M To ₦2M by TenQ: 3:13pm On Apr 17

madridguy:
Where is DSS in this? Is Nigeria now a lawless country?

CAN should also place bounty on the satanic man's head too.

The man is not a Islamic cleric but a satanic man.

It would be anti-christian for CAN to order for anyone's head for any reason!

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Education › Re: JAMB Candidates Forced To Remove Hijab In Ibadan As 2026 UTME Commences (video) by TenQ: 11:05pm On Apr 16

turawaa:
.

Islam doesn't belong to any country or any part of Nigeria.

The first Revelation to Prophet Muhammad is " IQRA" means " READ" ...

Any Muslims sects that discourage education to male or female is not praticising ISLAM.

Only that he wasn't given anything to read
AND
He still couldn't read after he was commanded to read Thrice

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Career › Re: When Trust Is Broken, Second Chances Can Be Dangerous by TenQ: 3:05pm On Apr 16

Kalatium:
Last month, my friend traveled to Kaduna to secure a site and left his boy in charge of the Abuja site. Everything seemed perfectly fine when he left.

Barely a day later, he received a debit alert from his Zenith Bank account: ₦20,000 gone.

He tried calling the boy . The phone was off. Confusion turned into worry, why would someone he trusted use his card without permission?

Then more alerts came: ₦20k. ₦30k. ₦50k. ₦30k. At that point, it was clear this wasn’t a mistake. He immediately blocked the ATM card.

Two days later, he finally reached the boy. The boy apologized and claimed it was a family emergency. But how do you explain withdrawing ₦150,000 without permission ? Is that not stealing? He had access to the ATM because he’d often run errands for building materials.

My friend’s first instinct was to involve the police, but he asked himself: how would he recover the money if the boy had no job? So, he decided to give him a second chance. He sent him to come work at the Kaduna site to repay the debt, even paying him extra for food and transport.

But the story didn’t end there. Suddenly, the boy had no phone, so my friend bought him a ₦12,000 torchlight phone to stay in touch. When the boy was done he returned to Abuja. Only for my friend to later discovered this boy had sold 2 of the 6 bags of cement in store another ₦20,000 gone.

My friend has to rush to Abuja. Before any confrontation, the boy lied about losing the new phone. Days later, he called, only for the truth to emerge: he hadn’t lost the phone; he owed someone ₦16,000, and the phone had been seized. Another lie, another betrayal.

The lesson hit hard. Betrayal isn’t just about money, it’s about the person.

Giving someone who stole from you a second chance isn’t always kindness. Sometimes it’s permission to continue what they started. They aren’t sorry. They’ll do it again.

Trust must be earned, not given blindly. Your ATM, your cards, your valuables, be careful who you place them with. Some people will disappoint you, not because they’re evil, but because their choices are self-serving.

My friend’s deepest pain wasn’t even the money, it was that someone he considered almost a brother could betray him so completely.

Lesson: Trust cautiously. Second chances can be powerful, but sometimes they are a green light for repeat betrayal.

Class dismissed.

There is NO harm in giving a second chance. People make mistakes, errors and have oversight in judgement.

But a third chance should be impossible

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Islam › Re: Al Zutt by TenQ: 3:00pm On Apr 16

AntiChristian:
Hafs ibn Sulayman is one of the most renowned and widely accepted transmitters of the Qur'an’s recitation. His transmission is part of the well-established and rigorously authenticated Qira'at (canonical recitations) of the Qur'an. The science of Qira'at is distinct from the science of hadith, and the criteria for accepting a Qur'an reciter’s transmission focus on the accuracy and continuity of oral transmission, not on their hadith narrations alone.

Claims that Hafs ibn Sulayman was a liar, fabricator, or thief are not supported by mainstream Islamic scholarship. While some critics have questioned certain hadith narrations attributed to him, this does not invalidate his role as a Qur'an reciter. The Qur'an’s preservation through multiple, independent chains of transmission, including Hafs’ narration, is one of the strongest evidences of its authenticity.

You may wish to confirm if some of the Classical ISLAMIC writers claimed that Hafs was unreliable

Fabricator and Liar:
Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani documented various historical allegations that Hafs was a "known liar and fabricator" in his biographical evaluations of hadith transmitters.

Ibn Khiraash your Islamic scholar is cited as saying Hafs "used to fabricate lies" and "fabricate hadiths".

A "Thief" of Books:
Ahmad ibn Hanbal reportedly quoted Shu’bah as saying Hafs "took a book from me and never returned it" and that he "used to take people's books and copy them".

Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj (author of Sahih Muslim) listed Hafs among those "accused of inventing forged traditions and creating false news"

Are these Muslims or Jews or Christians who wrote these books at gun point on your scholars heads to insert it into your religious books?

Could it be because the earlier scholars never knew that in 1924 Muslims in Cairo will Adopt the Hafs Qur'an as canonical?

BTW:
Where is the Uthmanic Qur'an or its Copy?

Why use a Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs when the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Mohammed through Uthman was already made in 7 copies

AntiChristian:
No one mentioned anything wrong with Abdullah ibn Mas'ud so there's not need for this.

This is quite right.

Criticism Focuses on Other Narrators: When a hadith chain containing Amr ibn Dinar is criticized, scholars usually identify other narrators in the chain who have weak memory, poor reputation, or other issues. These weaker narrators cause the overall chain to be classified as weak, not Amr ibn Dinar himself.

Contextual Evaluation: Scholars also consider the context of transmission, the number of supporting chains (mutawatir or ahad), and the content of the hadith (matn) to assess authenticity.

In summary, the criticism of hadith chains involving Amr ibn Dinar is explained by the presence of other weaker narrators in the chain, not by discrediting Amr ibn Dinar himself, who remains a trusted figure in hadith scholarship.

These are simply rantings of a confused mind. No one is accusing Abdullah ibn Mas’ud but the weak chain of narrator other than him. The case still remains that the hadith you quoted is Da'if.

The hadith is discussed herein. https://hadithunlocked.com/ahmad:3788

If the Primary and Secondary source of a history are reliable, the whole history is deemed reliable sir for those are the most important source to the story.

And with a culture where Mohammed is Revered, where death befalls anyone who speak against Mohammed it is strange that such writings survived till now if they weren't true?

You.may wish to explain why no one sanctioned your scholars for writing this oddity about your prophet instead, their students chanted "Allahu Akbar" anytime the story was read.

Don't forget that Arabs have exceptional memories and they would have remembered exactly the story of the Al-Zutt.
SMH!

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Islam › Re: Al Zutt by TenQ: 12:40pm On Apr 16

AntiChristian:
This is simply arrogance plus Ignorance as you based your claim on a weak hadith.

If you have an authentic hadith then the convo will continue. Mere saying some Muslims do it does not make the hadith authentic! This is clear!

For those who wish to learn he has been informed already that the Musnad Ahmad 3688 Narrated by: Abdullah ibn Mas'ud with the Chain of Narration (Isnad) that includes: Abdullah ibn Mas'ud → Amr ibn Dinar → [Several narrators] → Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal

The chain includes Amr ibn Dinar, whose status as a companion of Ibn Mas'ud is disputed by some scholars.
Some narrators in the chain are known to have weak memory or questionable reliability according to classical hadith critics such as Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani and Al-Dhahabi.

Your Quran chain include Hafs ibn Sulayman and he is a known Islamic LIAR and FABRICATOR and THIEF: but you use his Quran.
Sorry!
Poor Argument!

AntiChristian:
Due to these weaknesses, the hadith is considered weak (da‘if) and its content is viewed with caution.

Also Musnad Ahmad 3778 Narrated by: Abdullah ibn Mas'ud with the Chain of Narration (Isnad) including: Abdullah ibn Mas'ud → Amr ibn Dinar → [Several narrators] → Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal

Similar to hadith 3688, this chain also includes narrators with weak or questionable reliability.
The content of this hadith is unusual and does not align well with stronger narrations, further weakening its authenticity.
Scholars generally classify this hadith as weak (da‘if).

Both hadiths share a similar chain involving Abdullah ibn Mas'ud and Amr ibn Dinar, with the latter’s reliability being a key point of contention. The presence of narrators with weak memory or questionable trustworthiness leads scholars to treat these narrations cautiously and not as strong evidence.

Finally, you can continue to wallow in your arrogance without authentic claims as you usually do! The truth in Islam still remains the truth and not your Holy Spirit version of falsehood you are misinterpreting herein!

Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (RA) was one of the earliest converts to Islam, a close companion of Prophet Muhammad, and known as "a box full of knowledge". He is among the most respected companions, and the Prophet instructed believers to "Learn the Qur'an from four persons," including Ibn Mas'ud. He narrated 848 hadith and is revered for his piety and accuracy.

Amr ibn Dinar was a highly respected Tabi'i (Successor) and a renowned scholar in Mecca.
He is classified by hadith critics as a thiqah (reliable/trustworthy) narrator, and his narrations are found in the most authentic collections, such as Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim

Sorry, you have no case.
You are only worried because the narration causes you embarassment!

Except your argument is that Muslims are TERRIFIC liars and nothing but lies come out from their mouths.

Do you think that Abdullah ibn Mas’ud is a LIAR and he fabricated this against your prophet?
BTW: I am NOT a Muslim to be bound by your Isnadic manipulations

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Islam › Re: Al Zutt by TenQ: 11:19am On Apr 16

AntiChristian:
Both hadiths are classified as weak (da‘if) or questionable by many hadith scholars due to issues in their chains of narration and content inconsistencies.

Reasons for Weakness:
1. The chains include narrators who are considered weak or unreliable by hadith critics.
2. Some narrators have been criticized for poor memory or questionable integrity.
3. The content of these hadiths is unusual or contradictory to stronger, well-established narrations, which raises doubts about their authenticity.

Do you have an authentic naration for these?

Classified by Muslims in Denial claiming chains of narrations whereas, Historical analysis shows that this was believed by Muslims until recently.

I am NOT a Muslim sir, so I go with Historical sources and methods and not Isnad!
1.Is Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 from a recent ISLAMIC religious source? NO!

2. Is Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 written and archived by True Muslims? YES!

3. Is Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 written to demonize the Prophet of Islam? NO!

4. Is Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 written as a record of what happened to Mohammed? YES!
5. Is the age of writing Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 at par with the dates other hadiths were written? YES!

6. Are there other sources other than Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778 such as Kashf al-Khafa' (Al-Ajluni) and Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah where the story is found? YES!

So, if the Story of Alexander the Great or Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar does not need chains of reference for validation, why should I treat Mohammed with a different standard.

You have asked me several questions about the Bible and Jesus Christ: Have I ever bored you with ISNAD!?

Except your argument is that Muslims are TERRIFIC liars and nothing but lies come out from their mouths.

Do you think that Abdullah ibn Mas’ud is a LIAR and he fabricated this against your prophet?

Islam › Re: Al Zutt by TenQ: 6:07am On Apr 16

AntiChristian:
Which bible verse is this?

Why did you flee.

Its not any bible verse as you very well know. It is from your trusted ISLAMIC hadiths about your prophet and al-Zutt , often called the “Night of al‑Zutt” or “Laylat al‑Zutt” story.

SUMMARY:
The core narration is attributed to Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, who says:

1. Your Prophe performed ‘Isha, then took him to a wide valley in Makkah, drew a magic line around him, and told him to stay inside and not cross it, because “some men will come to you.”

2. Ibn Mas’ud then sees men who “look like al‑Zutt” (described as dark‑skinned, tall, and thin; often glossed in commentaries as either Jinn or a certain group of people from the East or South) appear and go to the Prophet, while he stays within the magic line.

3. Some versions of the Hadith report that the men “began to ride Mr Qutham (arkabūn rasūl Allāh) while he recites the Qur’an, and that when dawn breaks he returns feeling heavy and in pain from the “riding.”

Sources:
Musnad Ahmad 3688 and 3778

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is The Quran Of Mohammed: Is It Permanently LOST? by TenQ(op): 5:28am On Apr 16

gaskiyamagana:
I am not a fool to answer ignorant and enemy of Islam posing as knowledgeable about Islam.

Of course, I call you no fool for you very well know that the only reason you Muslims use the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs is because ALL the so-called standardized copy of the Uthmanic Qur'an are LOST.
Otherwise, tell me why Muslims allowed all the original 7 copies of Uthmanic Qur'an to disappear from existence.?

What you have is most likely a reduced Qur'an with missing embarrassing subjects like
Breastfeeding an adult man five or ten times ,
Verses of Rajam etc

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is The Quran Of Mohammed: Is It Permanently LOST? by TenQ(op): 9:06pm On Apr 15

gaskiyamagana:
Its always pain you and others when glaring errors, mistakes and faults of various available versions , multiple and mutilated Bibles were pointed out and difficult to defend for objective person as truth seeker. To you way the best way of defending biblical holy errors of your fallible God is faulting Quran with useless, baseless and irrelevant argument that never concerned you as non Islamic scholar, as you are shamefully posing and posting.

Please answer the Question

If Uthman standardized the Qur'an and wrote it down. why do you adopt the Quran according to the RECITATION of Hafs when copies of the Qur'an of Uthman should be available?

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is The Quran Of Mohammed: Is It Permanently LOST? by TenQ(op): 7:55pm On Apr 15

gaskiyamagana:
Level: 001
School Of Islamacology
Department Of Islamic Misguidance
Course Content 004
Title : Faking, Foundation of Facts About Quran
Objective: At the of the topic, students must have been thoroughly brainwashed with fabricated, fictitious and false misinformation and disinformation with lies from spurious sources, to equates, if not lower Quran to the level of bible as infiltrated, polluted, contaminated, confusing, contradictory, incoherent and inconsistence holy book.
Sc

Alright!

Its not just about DENIAL of Truth it is about facing the truth.

If Uthman standardized the Qur'an and wrote it down. why do you adopt the Quran according to the RECITATION of Hafs when copies of the Qur'an of Uthman should be available?

Christianity Etc › Re: This Clearly Proves That Islam Is Satanic by TenQ: 4:45pm On Apr 15

Dtruthspeaker:
When you see Muslim hatred for Christians and Jesus Christ displayed this way, one wonders why/what is really going on.

For many people even think that islam and Christianity are the same and one but looking at the aggression and hatred islam has for Christianity, it is clear that islam hates Christianity and the hatred is deep sitteth and one full of murder full rage.

Exactly like the one the Pharisees had for Jesus and His followers. Exactly how satan hates God's things and always seeks to destroy them.

Thus, when we see things like these.
https://www.nairaland.com/8653665/bandits-torture-unijos-student-john#139096384

https://www.nairaland.com/6663198/breaking-muslim-brother-christian-attacks#103969637

https://www.nairaland.com/6389436/former-ugandan-imam-beaten-death#98551091

Qur'an 5:51
“O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies (awliyāʾ); they are allies of one another. Whoever turns to them as allies will be counted among them; indeed, Allāh does not guide the wrongdoing people.”

Qur’an 3:28
“Let not the believers take the disbelievers as allies (awliyāʾ) instead of the believers; whoever does so will have nothing (of protection) from Allāh except as a means of self‑protection from them.”

Qur'an 9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allāh nor in the Last Day, nor hold as unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful, nor follow the religion of truth, among those who have previously received the Scripture (Christians and Jews) until they willingly pay the jizya and feel themselves subdued.”

If he is NOT the Al-Makr, who else can he be?

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 10:48pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
Gibberish nothing meaningful to say! You can continue fighting with your key board and Google.
Atheist don't believe in God yes nobody is arguing that but they still believe some form of spirit I don't know why comprehension is this difficult. After now I will block you, I don't go back and forth with children because you are so pained that now you are being rude.

Boohoo!
Facts don't lie!
Ignorance is a Biiss!

Silence is Golden!!
We wouldn't have known.... until you spoke!

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 4:44pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
The screenshot below will help you because you obviously don't understand what being an atheist is all about. I don't want to argue with you again, you can do further research yourself. Have a good day.

I once met a Doctor of Planes and it makes sense to people like you.

Strictly speaking:
An atheist is one who considers himself as
1. Lacking a Belief
2. Doesn't believe in any Deity!

Any other definition is like defining humans with respect to vision as homosapiens with either two, one or zero eyes.

If this is your position I am sorry for you.

TO HELP YOU,
I have THREE DICTIONARIES YOU CAN CHECK OUT FOR THE DEFINITION OF ATHEIST

Webster
Oxford
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Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 4:33pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
Go and read further and help yourself. You don't even know the definition of an atheist.

Unfortunately you haven't even opened your buccal cavity with any definition or knowledge.
Noise devoid of content makes a grown up adult a clown.

Did you notice how upfront I have you the definition of an Atheist and you have not even clarified your position nor corrected with your perfect definition of Atheism.

So, lets see how enlightened you are about the subject matter

1. I had defined the term Atheist and their preferred designation of "lack of belief" as illogical
2. I had stated that ORISA (Deities) are SPIRITS

Your counter please

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 3:03pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
So you didn't read where he said that be believes in Orisa? Is Wole Soyinka greater than Orisa?

Every orisa is a SPIRIT!

Do Atheists believe in spirits?

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 2:40pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
Another one that cannot think! Please define spirituality.

The first sentence defines a primate devoid of spirituality !

BTW
Spirituality refers to a personal sense of connection to something greater than oneself, often involving the search for meaning, purpose, and transcendence in life. It emphasizes inner experiences like peace, interconnectedness, and values beyond the material world

1 . To be spiritual, You have to depend upon SOMETHING or SOMEONE beyond the Material World for your inner experiences.

2. An Atheist is a lost individual who desire to define himself as one who lacks a belief in existence outside the physical existence or the lacks a belief in the existence of spirits.
He doesn't know that a rational human being CANNOT lack a belief in anything he has an an opinion in.

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 2:16pm On Apr 14

goslowgoslow:
Another one that cannot think! Please define spirituality.

Your first sentence defines who you truely are:
devoid of spirituality !

BTW
Spirituality refers to a personal sense of connection to something greater than oneself, often involving the search for meaning, purpose, and transcendence in life. It emphasizes inner experiences like peace, interconnectedness, and values beyond the material world

1 . To be spiritual, You have to depend upon SOMETHING or SOMEONE beyond the Material World for your inner experiences.

2. An Atheist is a confused individual who desire to define himself as one who lacks a belief in existence outside the physical existence or the lacks a belief in the existence of spirits.
He doesn't know that a rational human being CANNOT lack a belief in anything he has an an opinion in.

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic And Christian God Not My Belief – Wole Soyinka by TenQ: 1:48pm On Apr 14

Estello:
https://applesbite.com/islamic-and-christian-god-not-my-belief-wole-soyinka/

Feigning Wisdom but landing back in deep ignorance

"An atheist with strong spiritual awareness."

Atheists NOW believes in Spirits!?

Islam › Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 4:08pm On Apr 11*

honesttalk21:
You blend weak reports, half-true claims, and outright assumptions, then build a conclusion on top of that mix. That’s not evidence; that’s confusion packaged as argument. Separate what is actually authenticated from what is merely reported, and your entire claim falls apart.

Or does this statement originate from other than you?

Alfa,
You ask why I think Khadijah's report should be taken seriously and I gave you six logical common sense points. You turn around as usual to insinuate as usual that they are weak reports, half-true claims, and outright assumptions.
My friend, this are answers to your questions.

So, now tell me which of the points 1 through 6 you disagree with to call weak reports, half-true claims, and outright assumptions. Ayam not understanding!!

Again: Items 1 through 6, which one of them is a weak report? SMH!!

Islam never get an answer for anything!
SMH!!

Again, Let me ask you:
1. According to the earlier scriptures, is Gabriel the Holy Spirit?
2. Can you give any instance where Jibril gave any scripture to anyone in the earlier scriptures

Islam › Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 12:38pm On Apr 11

honesttalk21:
This is not engagement with the argument. Address the points raised directly. For example, explain why your Khadijah test report should not be classified as weak.

Logically Khadijah's report could not be weak for many reasons
1. Khadija believed in the general believes of the Pre-islamic Meccans: Khadija became the first Muslim after this
2. No serious Muslim will write ANYTHING he knows as UNTRUE about his beloved prophet Mohammed. Thus Ibn Ishaq, At-Tabari and al-Waqidi will not deliberately write untrue things about their prophet
3. It is dangerous for a person to write evil or bad things about Mohammed in Muslim dominated areas and survive with their lives. The fact that Ibn Ishaq, At-Tabari and al-Waqidi were not murdered by Muslims and their works still survives mean that the stories were TRUE and well known amongst the early Muslims.
4. If Mohammed met an Angel, there was no need for him to be taken before Waraqa except if the Apparition did NOT introduce himself.
5. Till today, Islamic beliefs still hold that Angels do not enter the toilets, stay in a room with dogs nor look at naked women.
6. There is NOT one single writing of scholars BEFORE Ibn Ishaq, At-Tabari and al-Waqidi that wrote ANYTHING Contrary to Khadijah's story nor the satanic verses. If there are older ISLAMIC sources that contradict the Khadijah's narrative, let us know.

Again, Let me ask you:
1. According to the earlier scriptures, is Gabriel the Holy Spirit?
2. Can you give any instance where Jibril gave any scripture to anyone in the earlier scriptures

Islam › Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 11:41am On Apr 11

honesttalk21:
Who exactly made you the referee of how questions must be answered? You set the rule, narrow the criteria to fit your conclusion, then reject anything that doesn’t fit your script. That’s not an argument that’s control.

You asked for one case of fear without comfort you got it. Judges 13. Manoah fears after the angel departs. No comfort follows. That’s your instance, simple and direct.

On hadith weakness, your claim collapses on procedure. Classification was done internally by Imam Ahmad, al-Shafi’i, and early hadith critics on their own methodology not after Bible interaction. You’re importing a false timeline.

On Jibril, the sources already show multiple appearances: true form, human form, and recognised forms in Sahih reports. Hira doesn’t specify a form at all. Your “cave problem” is built on adding details the text never gave.

On Gabriel, your own texts refuse your distinction. Luke 1, Daniel 9, and Acts 7:53/Hebrews 2:2 all tie angels to revelation-level delivery not information only. The category breaks in your own scripture.

On Khadijah’s test, there is no sahih narration proving your claim. You are asserting certainty from weak transmission while demanding perfection from others. Do show how and why your weak claim isn't weak.

On satanic verses, preservation is not endorsement. Your own canon was also shaped by selection and exclusion through councils, unless you deny this. Apply one standard or abandon the argument.

And that’s the real issue. You’re not testing claims you’re controlling the rules of testing.

When you commit to dropping your bias and being plain and fully fair we can reasonably continue.

I believe you have said all you needed to say, the rest is repeations of your baseless assertions.

One thing is clear: you need the validation of my scripture to validate your prophet. This is why you have to force your baseless conclusions upon Manoah.

Mohammed still remain a person who was commissioned by a nameless apparition who he gave the title Holy Spirit and Jibril. Both contrary to the scriptures.

Until you show us when the apparition claimed to be Gabriel, your case is frighteningly disturbing.

Let me ask you:
1. According to the earlier scriptures, is Gabriel the Holy Spirit?
2. Can you give any instance where Jibril gave any scripture to anyone in the earlier scriptures

Islam › Re: Who Wrote The Quran by TenQ: 10:27am On Apr 11

Repeating the same things misconceived points doesnt validate your argument. It actually defeats it.
I will respond to your arguments again

honesttalk21:
Regarding Zechariah your own biblical text separates categories. Luke 1:20 is explicit that Zechariah was judged because you did not believe. Not for fear. Fear is addressed in verse 13 where it's said do not be afraid and drops out of the narrative. What remains and what is judged is unbelief. Your own text keeps those categories separate. The argument being made against Hira collapsed them and built a case on that merger even if Zechariah' s disbelief raises other concerns.

Manoah fears after the encounter when identity becomes clear, not during it. Daniel collapses first; strength and reassurance come after. Zechariah is judged for unbelief not fear. There is no uniform instant comfort rule in your own scripture. There is a consistent pattern of human overwhelm followed by clarification or judgment. That is exactly the sequence at Hira. Fear is recorded. Commission is immediate, Iqra. The claim of no commission only terror depends entirely on ignoring the first word of the revelation itself. Restore it and the argument disappears.

On the jinn claim can you honestly apply your own standard consistently? Your scripture gives the test stating by their fruits you shall know them (Matthew 7:16). That is a serious standard and it deserves serious application rather than selective use. What came from Hira is strict monotheism, moral law, rejection of idolatry, a coherent 23-year revelation, a civilization built on the worship of one God and the pursuit of justice. Applied consistently, Matthew 7:16 asks what kind of source produces those fruits over that duration.

Now 2 Corinthians 11:14 mentioned Satan masquerading as an angel of light and is a genuine theological concern that deserves honest engagement rather than dismissal. Paul's warning is real and it should be taken seriously. The question it raises is legitimate. How do you distinguish genuine revelation from sophisticated deception? The answer your own tradition gives is the fruit test. And the fruit test is where the jinn claim collapses under its own weight. Deception in your own theological framework produces corruption, idolatry, moral disorder, and ultimately spiritual destruction. It does not produce sustained monotheism, moral elevation, legal sophistication, and civilizational coherence across 23 years and fourteen centuries. A deception that produces that outcome has failed at everything deception is supposed to accomplish. It has worked against itself at every point.

The possibility that 2 Corinthians 11:14 raises is real. The outcome Matthew 7:16 evaluates is also real. When both are applied consistently and honestly, they point in the same direction.

Your case rests on three errors.
Treating fear as disbelief contrary to your own text which separates them explicitly. Ignoring Iqra the opening commission that the entire no commission claim requires to be absent. Applying Matthew 7:16 as a framework and then not following where it leads when applied to the actual fruits of Hira.

Remove those three and the argument against Hira does not stand. You did not expose a flaw in the revelation. You misapplied your own standard and when that standard is applied honestly, it does not produce the conclusion you reached.

Keep it simple and stick to what’s actually established. There is no authentic report in Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim where the Prophet pbuh concluded it was a jinn. What’s recorded is fear and seeking reassurance nothing more. If a sound narration says otherwise, produce it.

Waraqah recognised a known prophetic pattern seen with Moses and Daniel overwhelming encounter followed by revelation. That’s why he identified it.
Jibril not identifying himself doesn’t stand. In Sahih Muslim, the Prophet pbuh later states clearly that was Jibril. Direct, primary identification. Iqra means Read or Recite. Both valid. Context fits, especially with Qur'an 29:48.

The form at Hira isn’t described. That’s silence, not contradiction. And no one claims the Prophet saw God. Waraqah identified a messenger, not God. No conflict there.

I hear your points clearly. You are challenging me to look closer at my own scriptures while holding them up against the Islamic tradition. I will address each of your arguments directly, using the sources you requested to show why the distinction between Hira and Biblical revelation remains a profound theological gap.

1. Zechariah: Disbelief vs. The Nature of the Encounter
You argue that I am wrongly merging Zechariah’s "unbelief" with the "fear" experienced at Hira. I disagree. My point isn't that they are the same emotion, but that the nature of the divine response to human frailty is consistent in the Bible and different at Hira.

When Zechariah is afraid, the angel immediately says, "Do not be afraid, Zechariah" (Luke 1:13). When he doubts, he is disciplined, yes, but he is never left in a state of terrorized confusion about the source.

At Hira, Muhammad is "seized" and "squeezed" until he can bear it no more ( Sahih Bukhari 1:1:3 ). Upon returning, he says to Khadija, "I fear for myself" (laqad khashitu 'ala nafsi).

My scripture shows God’s messengers being overwhelmed by glory, but always being anchored by immediate clarity. In the Bible, God does not use physical "squeezing" to initiate revelation. If I follow Daniel 10:12, the angel says, "Do not fear... from the first day that you set your heart to understand... your words were heard." At Hira, there was no "first day" of understanding; there was a state of suicidal despair and the fear of being possessed by a jinn or being a majnun (poet/madman) (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah).

2. The "Iqra" Commission
You claim that by acknowledging "Iqra" (Read/Recite), the argument of "no commission" collapses. I must counter this: a command is not the same as a clear identity of the commander.

When God calls, He identifies: "I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham..." (Exodus 3:6).

Qur'an 96:1-5 commands him to "Read," but does not explicitly identify the speaker as Gabriel or God during that first terrifying moment in the cave.

In the Bible, the "Fruits" of a call begin with the clarity of the Caller . If I look at the Hadith, Muhammad had to be reassured by a Nestorian Christian (Waraqa ibn Nawfal) that this was the Namus (the Angel of Revelation). If the commission "Iqra" was sufficient, why did the recipient return home trembling, needing a human to tell him who had visited him?

3. The Fruit Test (Matthew 7:16)
You suggest that because Islam produced monotheism and a civilization, it passes the "Fruit Test." I apply that test honestly, but we differ on what "good fruit" looks like scripturally.

1 John 4:2-3 gives a specific test for the spirit: "Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God."

While the Qur'an honors Jesus as a prophet, it explicitly denies His crucifixion (Surah 4:157) and His Sonship (Surah 9:30) . From this alone, it is a FALSE revelation of God.

From the Bible, "good fruit" isn't just "monotheism" it is Truth. If a revelation comes 600 years later and denies the core of the Gospel (the Cross and the Resurrection), then according to
Galatians 1:8
("Even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse"

I cannot call that fruit "good," regardless of how many centuries the civilization lasts.

4. 2 Corinthians 11:14 and the "Deception" Argument
You argue that a deception wouldn't promote "moral elevation." I must respond with the perspective of my faith's warnings.

Deception, according to the Bible, isn't always "moral disorder." It is a "different gospel" (2 Corinthians 11:4). Satan doesn't always show up as a monster; he appears as an "angel of light." A deception that looks 90% like the truth is more effective than one that is 100% evil.

We see the "Satanic Verses" incident (Gharaniq) recorded by early historians like Al-Tabari and Ibn Sa'd, where it is admitted that Satan briefly put words on the Prophet's tongue.

If the source of revelation can be even momentarily mimicked or interfered with by a lesser spirit, then the "sophisticated deception" Paul warns about becomes a valid concern.

To me, the "fruit" of Hira led people away from the divinity of Christ. In my theology, there is no "moral elevation" that compensates for moving away from the Savior but a moral departure from the truth.

So, everything in islam can be proved by the Question.
Was Jesus Crucified on the Cross and the attendant questions that follow this fact!

Get it wrong, and Islam becomes just a sumptuous meal laced with a deadly poison.

Foreign Affairs › Re: 1000-41: Russia & Ukraine Exchange Dead Bodies Of Soldiers Killed (Video) by TenQ: 7:43am On Apr 11

WriteerNg:

Oga you are a liar.

You dey deceive yourself.

The date of the article does not change the fact that it happened.

Trump won the election last year, does it make that invalid because we are in another year?

Then quote the Lie if you are not the LIAR representing the Al-Makr

Islam › Re: Rights Of Children In Islam! by TenQ: 7:40am On Apr 11

I appreciate that for the first time you answered ny direct questions

DeepSight:
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Any clear and rational understanding of the concept of God must conclude that being transcendent, IT is beyond the grasp of humanity. It is incomprehensible and ineffable.

Since you only reckon with scripture, let me use scripture to land the point:

1 Timothy 6:16: "Who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen."

Isaiah 55:8–9: "'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord. 'As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.'"

Romans 11:33–34: "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 'Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?'"

Job 11:7: "Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?"

Psalm 145:3: "Great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; his greatness no one can fathom."

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The so called revelations are just the writings of men which include their fantasies, lies and imaginations.

Since you chose to respond by my bible, you should understand that
1. My God chose men to write about Him in the Bible AND most of these were given superhuman abilities by which we could believe them. So, your claim of men's fantasies, lies and imaginations is preposterous
2. You will also agree that even though My God is infinitely everything, He had many times entered His creation to interact with men as Human or Angel etc
3. Examples include God with Adam, God with Abraham, God with Jacob, God as the Pillar of Light and Cloud, God as Jesus etc

So, it is part of the Greatness of my God that He can be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time. He can be Finite and Infinite at the same time: there is NOTHING impossible with Him.

DeepSight:
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I agree.

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I agree.

No problem!

DeepSight:
+This is a pantheistic view.

No sir. My God isnt pantheistic. I told you He could be somewhere and everywhere at the same time. This is because the whole existence is within Him
Act 17:28:
"For in Him we live and move and have our being; as some of the poets among you also have said, ‘For we are His offspring.’"

We live inside God
Eph 4:6:
"One God and Father of all, Who is over all, and through all, and in you all."

God even though over us is in us

This is why God is Omnipresent : this isn't a pantheistic view, it is God's description

DeepSight:
I thought you said your God is one. How come he is also three.

Your misunderstanding about the Trinity sir. God isn't THREE, He is ONE.
Trinity is a description of the Omnipresence of ONE God Being existing Simultaneously in the Three Dimensions of Existence.

1. God's Exists in His Dimension which is the Totality of Existence as the Holy Spirit.
2. God made a Spiritual Heavenly Dimension or Universe wherein He built a realm of Existence with Angels. God as a Spirit made Himself visible in this realm as the Father who sits upon His throne.
3. The Physical universe is a subset of the Spiritual Heavenly realm. God as a Spirit made Himself visible in this realm as the Word.

Here is a limited explanation in scientific mode.
An Omnipresent Three dimensional being will equally exist to beings existing in the two dimensional space and the one dimensional space simultaneously

DeepSight:
Scripture does not teach freewill. Or rather, it teaches predestination.

Ephesians 1:4–5

"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will."

Ephesians 1:11

"In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will."

2 Timothy 1:9

"He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time."

Romans 8:29–30

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son... And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

There is only ONE class of Predestination in the Bible and it stems from FOREKNOWLEDGE of God. Foreknowledge means that the Creator of TIME is NOT constrained by the flow of Time as He could see ANYTHING, ANYONE and ANY EVENT.

Rom 8:29-30:
"Because those whom He did foreknow, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His own Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Now whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."

Those who God Foreknew are the Ones He predestined
Rom 11:2:
"God did not repudiate His people whom He foreknew. Don’t you know what the scripture says in the account of Elijah? How he was pleading with God against Israel, saying,"

God will not reject Israel in spite of their behaviours because He already know (foreknowledge) that at the end there would be an awakening that will cause a restoration

All Predestination in the Bible is because of provision for Salvation

DeepSight:
I dont know. No one can know what God is beyond acceding that there is a source or root of all things and that is God.

So, how do you know even the limited knowledge you have of your God?

One can know ONLY that that God reveals about Himself. God revealed Himself through men whom He backed up with supernatural abilities by which we can trust their claims. This is the essence of the scripture.

BTW
Any God that doesn't relate with His creation doesn't exist. Because if He is Transcendent and a Being , He must have a Purpose and He must care about the morality of His creations.

DeepSight:
I am not sure. I know that humans interact with the spiritual and many people might call that interacting with God, but I am not sure that it is. It might be, it might not be.

Yes, God does interact with Humans.
Do you think God should care if a Human being lives a Wicked life?
Do you agree that the source of Mortality should be God?
The purpose of the gift of our Conscience is that God inputs His will in us. Our conscience warns us that we are violating devine rules.

DeepSight:
I cant tell, but my best guess is that it is self expression and to experience ITSELF.

The objective of God for creating Humans on earth is for SELECTION of "sons" who would represent His will by their Freewill. Everything was created for God's pleasure
Col 1:16:
"Because by Him were all things created, the things in heaven and the things on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether they be thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him."
Heb 2:10:
"Because it was fitting for Him, for Whom all things were created, and by Whom all things exist, in bringing many sons unto glory , to make the Author of their salvation perfect through sufferings."
Rev 4:11:
"You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you have created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created."

DeepSight:
I dont know and if at all God is just, we will not be able to see the big picture that IT sees to understand its justice.
What i feel sure of is that the man made God described in scripture is manifestly unjust.

Ask yourself, If God is a Being and He made creations who could choose to be good or wicked, should He not be Just?[/quote]You need to first identify if God is a BEING or NOT.
If He is a Being, then you will have logical clarity to move ahead knowing and understanding His purpose.

If God is NOT a Being, existence is purposeless

Islam › Re: Rights Of Children In Islam! by TenQ: 8:38pm On Apr 10

DeepSight:
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God is ineffable. IT can no more be named than it can be seen or comprehended.

Such doesn't exist as what has no identity nor can relate with his creation cannot be God.

Such as you described is just an Idea!

I can tell you about my God based on what He has revealed about Himself
1. My God is ONE Being
2. He is the Uncaused First-Cause of Everything
3. My God is the Omnipresent Invisible Holy Spirit. The whole Universe physical and spiritual are inside Him.
4. Because my God is a Trinity, He makes Himself visible in the Spiritual Universe as the Father .
5. Because the Physical Universe is a Subset of the Spiritual Universe, My God makes Himself Visible in the Physical and Spiritual Realms as the Word
6. At a point in time, the Word became Incarnate as Human known in the Earth as Jesus Christ.
7. My God created Humans as a special kind of beings with freewill that would by their CHOICE be the expressions of His image (Sons) through their Love, Loyalty and Submission to Him.
8. Humans who reject God are given exactly what they wanted: an eternal termination of relationship with Him in a place where God's presence will NEVER EVER disturb them.

Is your God a Being or an Idea?
Does your God interact with humans?
What is his objective for creating humans?
Is your God of Justice?

I wish you answer each ot these questions!

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