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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 9:43am On Jan 12, 2017
chrisley024:
S'ton will likely regret their missed chances when they go to Anfield.

I hope our team show the hardwork S'ton showed yesterday on Sunday.
Maybe or maybe not because I read that Liverpool haven't won against Southampton in the last four games.

That Liverpool sharpness and fast pace weren't there. They were so sluggish and they were running as if some kind heavy metals to their legs. They were extremely lucky.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:28pm On Jan 11, 2017
Memphis wanted everywhere:

.@Memphis could be heading to Goodison Park in January as Everton look to bolster their ranks. (Liverpool Echo)

.@Memphis turned down a potential move to Fenerbahce last week, telling the Turkish club that he preferred to stay in England. (Daily Mail)

AC Milan are moving on from Everton winger Gerard Deulofeu to ask @ManUtd for @Memphis instead. (Tuttosport)

.@Memphis could join Porto on loan as a replacement for Brahimi. (A Bola via @PortuBall)

French club Nice are interested in @Memphis. (@Eurosport_FR via @_AlexdeCastro_)

Ronald Koeman has confirmed he wants to sign @Memphis in January. (via @football_oranje)

Lyon have also entered into negotiations with @ManUtd over the possible transfer of Dutch winger @Memphis. (Foot Mercato)

.@_MrSpectacular Gérard Houllier is the club advisor of Lyon and he talked to Van Gaal to know more about the players
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 10:58pm On Jan 11, 2017
Liverpool were very lucky to lose against Southampton by just 1 goal to nil. Liverpool were shocking in that match. Southampton were just cutting them open anyhow.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 8:15pm On Jan 11, 2017
MRTA7:
I never like these sort of tables/stats. These tend to be pointless and used to fit any narrative desired.
Yeah, I agree. I posted it just to show how some stats can be deceptive cos it didn't put into consideration the situation of a team when the coach(es) took over the team.

We can see the difference in SAF's first 100 games after the league was changed. At that time he has turned the team around.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:49pm On Jan 11, 2017
This was before yesterday's game

Games won in first 31 as manager of @ManUtd:

20: Mourinho
18: Moyes
16: Van Gaal
15: Busby
14: Atkinson
12: Ferguson, Sexton

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:33pm On Jan 10, 2017
Manchester United have won their last 9 games in all competitions, their best run since winning 11 in a row in Feb 2009. (@OptaJoe)


Mata has equalled his Chelsea goalscoring record (33) in 6 fewer games at #mufc (129 apps) [squawka]
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 8:47pm On Jan 10, 2017
Oasis007:
grin

Kagawa10?!

Giving an Approval (green light) is different from sanctioning a Deal?!
I decided not to respond when I saw that. It's going to be an effort in futility. Maybe approval has another meaning.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 7:03pm On Jan 10, 2017
Again on Herrera signing

LVG:
In his first United presss conference on Thursday afternoon, Van Gaal said: 'Shaw and Herrera were already on the list. I gave my approval because I like them.
Meaning that if he didn't like them he wouldn't have signed them.
The job of a scout is to discover football talents which a coach will either approve or dissaprove.

Herrera:
I’m grateful to him because he signed me and so gave me the opportunity to play more than 70 games, in two years, at arguably the world’s largest club.
Those two quotes are in agreement and are from the main persons.

The question is who do I believe? LVG and Herrera or www.theunitedpages.com?

I choose to believe both LVG and Herrera.

Why will i believe a site like www.theunitedpages.com which is ran by an individual who wants to attract traffic to his site? Bringing a useless site to prove that LVG didn't sign Shaw and Herrera isn't going to fly. You can believe whatever you read but posting it on a public forum will always be met with scrutiny.
A site that even posted this conjecture:


Jose Mourinho’s phoney war with United’s under-performing and over-grumbling stars is over. Battle lines have been well and truly drawn.

Some of United’s biggest names have been told they can go and for a variety of reasons. The clearout is set to begin in January, depending on whether the players can find other clubs.

Wayne Rooney

The papers this morning are full of stories that Rooney has been told he can go and that United’s players are supposedly unhappy with training. It is no coincidence that every other time Rooney has faced questioning of some kind a story has then appeared in the papers where United stars are critical of their manager. We have been informed, on numerous occasions, about Rooney and his representative leaking stories to the press. In fact, he even sought to become more friendly with sections of the press during the summer. Foresight as to how events might pan out maybe? You may question his ability on the field but you can’t question his knowledge of how to work the system. It is worth noting that under Louis Van Gaal, a manager that bent over backwards to accommodate Rooney and his demands, it was the captain and his constant anonymous sniping that did for him.

We do know that it wasn’t originally for footballing reasons that Rooney was eventually dropped. Though we have been unable to confirm just how true the rumours are of him threatening and manhandling Marcus Rashford are.

Michael Carrick

Carrick is United’s vice captain, yet when Rooney was dropped it was Chris Smalling that took over the armband. This is no accident. As is the lack of playing time he has had this season despite his good performances when he has featured. Carrick also seems to suffer from the sort of loose lips that afflict the captain. Originally only kept on in the summer to help the new manager and the younger players he is now seen as a problem behind the scenes. When the class of 92 talk about United they all seem to wax lyrical about the qualities of Carrick. This is no accident.

Henrik Mkhitaryan

We first started to hear rumours of the Armenian’s unhappiness at United after the derby. The talk then was that he had burst into tears and asked to leave the club after his substitution. The staff at the club have been staggered at how mentally weak Mkhitaryan is and Mourinho has already decided he just doesn’t trust him. The current situation with his supposed injury is an interesting one. Notice just how much Mourinho bristles when he is asked about Mkhitaryan and the unconvincing way he talks about needing match sharpness. Already United are exploring ways to recoup the £26 million paid for him only a few months ago.

Matteo Darmian

At least this one is purely a football decision. Mourinho doesn’t believe Darmian is solid enough defensively for the role he wishes his full backs to perform at United. The plan is to offload Darmian back to Italy in the January window when United will go all out to sign Fabinho from Monaco. The Brazilian stands at 6ft 2 and is quick enough to be a threat down the flank too.

Jose Mourinho feels that many at United have let him down and although they might survive the original cull, once it begins, be assured that their card has been marked too. Losing weakly against his old foe Guardiola was bad enough for Mourinho but the way the team accepted a hammering at Chelsea caused serious alarm. He feels now that some are openly trying to sabotage his time at Old Trafford.

Standby for more fireworks as events play out in the coming months,
We now know that these are all cooked-up stories which has no iota of truth. On the hindsight, Mourinho has been saying it loud and clear to everyone that he's not willing to sell anyone in January transfer window unless a player that wants to leave.

I even saw this on the site:
Founder and owner of theunitedpages.com. I mainly deal with the administration of the site but have provided some articles as well as the photoshop manipulations.
Maybe someone can explain what that means to me.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 9:41pm On Jan 09, 2017
RooRuudRonSaha:
lvg beat lpool like 3/4 times, lost to chelsea just once not 0 4 like mou, didnt lose to city at OT, mou lost to city at OT, crushed everton 3 o at Goodison, mourinho drew everton, beat arsenal with kids 3 2 mou drew arsenal with 89 milla on the pitch, so mourinho hasnt done any better. Can u tell us how many matches he played for him to be compared with those with large sample space.
You also forgot to mention that LVG lost 3 - 0 to Arsenal, Tottenham and Everton respectively. Out of the four times he played Swansea City in the EPL, he was able to win only once. Swansea, Westbrom, Norwich and Southampton that are not top teams nor title contenders all took their turns by beating us at Old Trafford. We lost a match we were leading by two goals to Leicester by 5 - 3.

I don't even want to go to the shame Moyes put this club through.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 6:32pm On Jan 09, 2017
Ball-hog Ander Herrera has found space for himself in Manchester United’s midfield

Every team wants their best players to see plenty of the ball. However, too much of a good thing can turn even the best of intentions bad.

While the importance of Michael Carrick to Manchester United and their recent improvements in performances has been noted, Ander Herrera is another player whose presence is proving to be essential in giving Jose Mourinho’s team balance and Paul Pogba a stage on which to shine.

Ander Herrera is more involved in Manchester United’s general play than ever before.

On his return to Old Trafford in the summer, the Frenchman initially looked restricted by his status as the club’s main focal point in midfield rather than elevated by all the attention. It wasn’t stage fright that was holding him back, although the price on his head may have played a part.

After moving from Juventus in a deal that broke all records to confirm Pogba as the most expensive footballer of all-time, there was a sense that the midfielder simply had to be at the heart of everything his new team tried to do, as if to justify his value, monetary or otherwise.
Goals and assists – the most basic, reductive currency by which big names prove their worth on the pitch – are always harder to come by for a player in his position. In order to live up to the expectations set against him, it seemed that the 23-year-old was intent on taking too much on, and that too much was being placed upon him.

He played as if he had to be central to every single move, the source of every attack and the protagonist of United’s every highlight. His billing, to some extent, demanded it. At Juventus he’d always shared the spotlight, and to some extent he seemed suffocated as United sent almost all of their possession his way.

Paul Pogba’s record for chances created this season now compares favourably to his past years at Juventus, but that wasn’t always the case despite his increase in passes.

The outcome was congestion rather than creativity, with players such as Claudio Marchisio, Arturo Vidal or Andrea Pirlo to keep the ball warm for him while he darted off to make things happen. Instead of “hold my beer, I’ve got this”, he had to run an obstacle course while holding a tray of drinks, and spillages were common.

Jose Mourinho initially sought to pair the Frenchman up with Marouane Fellaini in a two-man midfield so as to unleash him from deep. The Belgian was to be both a protector and provider – of the ball, at least.

In theory, while Pogba roamed free from deep, driving the team up the field with his dribbling runs from one box to the other, demanding the pass to dictate play, his more aggressive and awkward partner was to ruffle feathers and chase down opponents to deprive them of the ball, preventing them from playing through the middle. In practice, it was only partly successful.

Marouane Fellaini was top of the table for passes attempted and completed after United’s first five games of the season.

Fellaini looked rejuvenated in his new role. The added responsibility of keeping the ball seemed to bring out his best side for a time. United won their first three league games of the season, and even after their fifth the Belgian still topped the charts for passes attempted and completed.

His completion rate of 90% was held up as an example of his new-found finesse under Mourinho, yet instead of helping to shoulder the burden for Pogba and allow him the freedom to dominate games, the Belgian’s quantity and accuracy belied the quality of his passing.

Knocking a player for sending the ball sideways and backwards may have become a common ploy for dismissing the virtues of keeping it simple from deep. In Fellaini’s case however the criticism was correct. Pogba still had it all to do when it came to actually making something out of his team’s possession.

United were created 10.8 chances-per-game with the Fellaini and Pogba partnership. They’ve created 13.1 with Herrera and Pogba in midfield together.

If anything, the Belgian’s conservative nature with the ball at his feet only increased the Frenchman’s workload. He was a dead-weight against opponents United were meant to be dominating, forcing Pogba deeper and deeper away from areas where he could actually hurt the other side and play on the front-foot.

By contrast, Herrera has so far shown himself to be capable of providing the 23-year-old everything he needs to flourish, while also contributing to creating chances himself. He can make a pass, keep the ball, put in tackles, cut out danger before it becomes a genuine threat and allow the France international to play the way he wants.

Herrera, Fellaini and Pogba compared this season for passes and tackles.

Henrikh Mkhitaryan’s belated integration into Mourinho’s first-team plans may have helped take the pressure off Pogba to be United’s match-winner for every occasion – granting him the opportunity to take on his role with more clarity, sharpening up his all-round game by removing the clutter from his duties – but it’s the Spaniard who’s given him the platform to step forward from deep to be the midfield front-man at last.

It’s not just a solution that’s suited the Frenchman. Following on from his own arrival under Louis van Gaal in 2014, the ex-Athletic Club and Real Zaragoza playmaker found it hard to find a regular place in his manager’s starting XI.

Herrera is top for defensive actions-per-90 minutes for United this season in the Premier League.

Despite being the dynamic link-man in the thick of the 4-3-3 shape his manger eventually shifted to as United enjoyed their best run of form under the Dutchman, beating Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool and Manchester City in convincing fashion between March and April 2015, he was dropped again the following season.

Early on, he wasn’t inventive (or expensive) enough to be preferred to Angel Di Maria as his side’s chief creator, was too foul-prone and rash to play the holding role and seemed best suited to that position between the lines in a three-man midfield, that the former Bayern Munich manager seemed intent on dismantling in his second season.

Herrera was the top performer for Louis van Gaal during his team’s best run in 2015 according to Squawka Performance Score.

He wanted positional discipline, not a player who wanted to break through the lines at will. For the majority of his first six months at the club, Van Gaal benched Herrera for being too eager to close players down and break formation, to take a risk on attacking the ball and push forward in possession rather than holding his position and sticking to the shape.

It’s these qualities that have since piqued Mourinho’s interest in using the Spaniard as a midfielder capable of winning a scrap as well as creating chances.

Herrera is top of the pile for passes attempted or completed-per-90 minutes for United in the Premier League this season.

No United player has made more tackles this season. He’s made more tackles-per-90 minutes than any other midfielder in the squad since his arrival two-and-a-half years ago, and now stands top of the pile for passes attempted and completed for the club since the summer.

When Herrera plays alongside Pogba, even without the cover of Carrick, the Frenchman looks liberated by the Spaniard’s defensive work and his more positive range of passing. He’s not only succeeded in playing United’s new arrival into better positions from which to control games, but also, finally, carved a niche for himself in the starting XI. A full-strength United side can longer be imagined without him.

Playing deeper, Herrera is creating more chances, passing over greater ranges, winning more headers and making more interceptions.

There’s still work to be done, of course. Although he’s improved in his ability to sit back and hold his ground as well as hustle opponents in one-on-one confrontations, more wisdom, restraint and composure is required from the player charged with screening the back four and lying in wait as the master of the holding role.

That could still come with time. Given his slight frame, his true size is often overlooked. Standing at six-foot, he’s lean but not weak and could be better equipped for the task at hand than first impressions may suggest.

For now, the 27-year-old is making a difference as a problem solver slightly further forward, in a similar role to the one he played during Van Gaal’s mini-peak at the end of spring in 2015.

Herrera is also currently making 1.71 fouls-per-90 minutes to just 0.25 for Carrick – he still has some way to go before he can step into his place.

Herrera was once touted as one of many potential heirs to the throne of Paul Scholes. Yet as he drops further back into midfield to take on the role of being Mourinho’s first-choice No.6, he’s becoming more than just an enabler of Pogba’s genius.

At a time when fans are becoming increasingly anxious over what may come to pass in a future without Carrick, the Spaniard’s final fate could lie in transforming himself into a viable, if not identical, replacement to the 35-year-old in the long-run.


http://www.squawka.com/news/ball-hog-ander-herrera-has-found-space-for-himself-in-manchester-uniteds-midfield/869590
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:18pm On Dec 21, 2016
Most through balls completed in the final third in the Premier League so far:

P. Pogba (6)
Z. Ibrahimovic (6)
K. De Bruyne (6)
D. Silva (5)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 9:41pm On Dec 19, 2016
JayKayMaybachz:
The guy only excel wen we play weaker teams He acts like poacher most times rather than creating
The bold isn't true. I saw some of his stats on skyports in about three or four weeks ago that he performs well against top teams as well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 6:16pm On Dec 13, 2016
JayKayMaybachz:
I wonder oooo... Iranu



SAF na him idol now grin
In "Up Barka" fans reasoning.

International champion calling local champion his IDOL.

Isn't that intetesting?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 6:11pm On Dec 13, 2016
This is for the Canopy Analyst.

Herrera for 925 mins in EPL:
Herrera's Premier League by numbers:

2 assists
14 chances created
30 clearances
39 interceptions
75 tackles
765 passes
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:33pm On Dec 13, 2016

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:54am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
I said he wasn't a factor in Van gaal's plan which was solidified by the fact that the average Fellaini replaced him as soon as he came back from injury after just 5 games. Care to tell me any Van gaal's signings that was showed such? Depay, Morgan and Rojo continued to play longer than that before they were benched.

Kagawa is an attacking midfielder, capable of playing as a 10 or in the attacking midfield role, similar to Fabregas/De bryune. You having problem with it shows you're just too stupid to grasp it!
Who said this? This is just a simple sentence o.

Diademk07:
Herrera didn't get dropped he wasn't even a factor in Van gaal team. Action speaks louder than voice.

His action and Moyes's action showed that Herrera was the board decision. Same thing happened between Pep and Gotze.

The reality is the board gave Mourinho the power and backed him to bring the players he wanted but Kante was never in his plan not until he saw the imminent Chelsea deal with Kante. That's who Mourinho is. The same man hijacked Willian from Spurs at the last minute. Same with Mikel and Pedro but his skimming sneaky move was too late with Kante.
As a response to this

tess1:
Stop all these trash. Bring me your proofs that:

1. That Herrera's deal was almost done before Moyes was sacked. For now, I'll rather believe what Herrera said.

2. That your god LVG was actually interested in Kante. How can the board not be interested in a player that LVG and Mourinho wanted?

Herrera didn't go straight into his team or he got dropped the same way Scheinderlin and Memphis got dropped. Maybe he didn't sign the two as well.
Were you drunk when you typed that or was it that you didn't understand the sentence you typed?

Whichever, I give up on you. I'm saving you from making more stupid and idiotic blunders.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:37am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
I said he wasn't a factor in Van gaal's plan which was solidified by the fact that the average Fellaini replaced him as soon as he came back from injury after just 5 games. Care to tell me any Van gaal's signings that was showed such? Depay, Morgan and Rojo continued to play longer than that before they were benched.

Kagawa is an attacking midfielder, capable of playing as a 10 or in the attacking midfield role, similar to Fabregas/De bryune. You having problem with it shows you're just too stupid to grasp it!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:31am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
You didn't realise that Pep constantly deployed a 3-man midfield set up or the fact that Muller was used as SS at times?

If you don't know jack, just shut up! You're stinking the whole place with your stupidity and wasting my time!
Lol! You are not intelligent at all. You think you are smart, whereas you are too dull. What about other players mentioned?

Are you now telling me that Ribery and Lahm also played as the SS as you've claimed?

Also, why did Ribery have the highest assists in the previous season? Did he also play as a SS or as the number 10?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:14am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
He was dropped after 5/6 games, can you hear yourself?

Did you realise how many games the likes of Depay, Rojo, Schneiderlin played in spite of their average display before they were dropped?

If we hadn't been ravaged with Carrick and Fellaini injuries, he would have played little and it's no coincidence he found himself on the bench as soon as both players were fit. Did you think a Van gaal signing would have been quickly relegated to the bench by players just returning from injuries after few average early start? Continue in your delusion.

And regardless of whether he played Willian, Mikel or Pedro, the truth is they were hijacked by Mourinho. Furthermore, it was Willian who forced his way into Mourinho line-ups and not the other way round.
Vomitting rubbish again.

I said he got dropped but you said no. What's the meaning of getting dropped from a team? It simply means you've been selected for some games before you're no longer selected. It may be 1, 2, 3 games or more.

Thank God that Herrera and LVG were new to the club at that time. He bought him, played him in the first 6 or so games when he wasn't injured and dropped him because he felt that he doesn't fit into his team.

I can't help you beyond this if English Language is your problem.

That was how you said that Kagawa have two best positions. If you have problem with English Language, maybe you should be communicating in your local language.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:00am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
You're stinking the whole place with your craziness.

The question is can Fabregas play great in the no 10 role as well as the attacking central midfield, just as Kagawa? But all you did is spouting irrelevant shite!

Let me also remind you that Kagawa left for first team football seeing that the new big money signing, Mata was the preferred choice in his role.
Your thinking faculty is so low as usual. You can't even comprehend that.

That's to back up my point that the assist a number gets depends on the quality if the striker and the way the team is set up to play. Meaning that it is possible for a person who played as striker or inverted wingers or wingers to have more assists than the person who played as a number 10 in any team set up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 10:51am On Oct 25, 2016
Diademk07:
What a dumbass who doesn't know we often played with a goalscoring SS and not a no 10 during the period. Is Herrera now a SS? Pray tell, how many goal did the oaf score?
I'm not surprised at this response of yours because you are so dumb to reason. I'll not go into that argument with you.

Let me give you a simpler one maybe your dumb brain will be able to process this.

In 2013/14 season, why did Ribery, Muller and Lahm had more assist in Bayern? Who played as the number 10 and how many assists did that person have?

Also, why did Blaszczykowski have higher assists than your Kagawa in 2010/11 season?

Stop disturbing my mention with your foolishness!
Can you now see that you are the most idiotic person on this thread. If not, you wouldn't have typed that when you actually were the one who first quoted me to start all these.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 10:19pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Lmao. So Fabregas isn't a master of the no 10 role and attacking midfield position? You're so dumb I swear!
You are olodo rabata!

In 2011/12 fabregas had 8 assists

2012/13 he had 11 assists

2013/14 he had 12 assists

2014/15 he had 18 assists

2015/16 he had 7 assists

Tell me what happened to that stats despite him playing about 30 games or thereabout per season

And Kagawa only played 1 game under Van gaal.. More so, that game only ended in defeat as soon as he left injured, he was our best player before he got injured btw.
Let me also mention the fact that he forced his way into Moyes starting 11 before the season ended and was one of our best player during the period.
Why did LVG allow him to go if he so much valued him? Oh! I forgot that he didn't know he's a very good number 10 or centre midfielder. You are a dunce.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 9:59pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Herrera didn't get dropped, he wasn't even a factor in Van gaal team. Action speaks louder than voice.

His action and Moyes's action showed that Herrera was the board decision. Same thing happened between Pep and Gotze.
Liar! Liar!! Liar!!! The more you try o cover your lies, the more your lies get exposed. Now, process the following and understand. Just like your god LVG will say "it's a process".

Your lies will be busted now.

These are the first 10 games of that season:

1st game - Aug 16 Man Utd v Swansea - Herrera played
2nd game - Aug 24 Sunderland v Man Utd - Herrera absent due to injury.
3rd game - Aug 30 Burnley v Man Utd - Herrera still out due to injury
4th game - Sept 14 Man Utd v QPR - Herrera played after his injury
5th game - Sept 21 Leicester v Man Utd - Herrera played
6th game - Sept 27 Man Utd v West Ham - Herrera played
7th game - Oct 5 Man Utd v Everton - Herrera dropped
8th game - Oct 20 WBA v Man Utd - Herrera played

Your lies have been busted, right?
We can now see that he got dropped and LVG made a public statement about why he dropped him.

Your lies have no rival.

The reality is the board gave Mourinho the power and backed him to bring the players he wanted but [b]Kante was never in his plan not until he saw the imminent Chelsea deal with Kante.[\b] That's who Mourinho is. The same man hijacked Willian from Spurs at the last minute. Same with Mikel and Pedro but his skimming sneatky move was too late with Kante..
That's a total nonsense from you there. William wasn't in his plan and he went ahead and play him very well that season. You definitely don't know what you are typing.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 8:08pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Lol!

You don dey mad! Where was Adritz that season?

Adritz had 16 goals and 8-9 assists that season. Suseata had 6 goals and 12 assists that season but your beloved Herrera could only managed 5 assists in how many starts?

Goan sleep!
You are a complete lunatic. And you call yourself a football fan with what you typed up there. That shows you know nothing about football.

Like I said earlier that it is the quality of the striker that determines the number of assists a number 10 gets which also depends on the way a team is set up to play.

Read carefully and make sure you comprehend my explanation because your thinking is always a one-way traffic and your deductive reasoning is so poor.

In 2011/12 season, Antonio Valencia had the hihghest assists for Man Utd with 13 and 4 goals. Nani also had 10 assists with 8 goals. I hope you understand this. If you don't take your time and read several time.

Now, did the two played as our number 10? Who played behind our striker in that season and how many assists did that player had then? I can give you a whole lot of instances like that.

I'm expecting answers to those question. I don't want your usual rhetorics.

Once again, you know nothing about football
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:48pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Lol!

All this bullshit of yours doesn't negate the fact that Kante was available for the whole months after Arsenal already snubbed him and he was even preparing to stay at Leicester not until Conte resumed work at Chelsea and informed his employer. And that Chelsea deal was alreday in process before Mourinho made his sneaky call to hijack the deal like he did with Mikel, Pedro, Essien etc.

You were probably under the rock when all these were happening.

That said, Van gaal severally stated that he wanted a pacey and energetic midfielder in his midfield. He kept on hammering on it everytime we finished a match and that should tell you his intent. He was even the one interested in Renato and vetoed the move all by himself and subsequently, we were strongly linked with Kante. That should tell you what he wanted in his team.

As for Herrera. I already told you several time that there's no way Van Gaal would have signed Herrera while he was still the Holland coach, preparing for the worldcup. He even told us he has no business with United until he's finished the worldcup saga. So why would he have signed Herrera when he was still Holland's coach? Considering the fact the same Moyes asked Ballague? one spanish pundit on what kind of player Herrera is and that should tell you it wasn't Moyes' decision either but the board's decision.

Another fact is all Van gaal's signings went into the first team except Shaw and Herrera. That should tell you his motive..
Stop all these trash. Bring me your proofs that:

1. That Herrera's deal was almost done before Moyes was sacked. For now, I'll rather believe what Herrera said.

2. That your god LVG was actually interested in Kante. How can the board not be interested in a player that LVG and Mourinho wanted?

Herrera didn't go straight into his team or he got dropped the same way Scheinderlin and Memphis got dropped. Maybe he didn't sign the two as well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:19pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
If you truly watched our match like you want us to believe, you would note that Fellaini was even more adventurous than Herrera under Van gaal and the fact that no one stopped Carrick from playmaking even when he was an holding midfielder!

Herrera is no box-box nor a no 10. A player who had 5 assists in a no 10 role in his last season at Bilbao!

And Stop quoting me with your crayon nonsense!
See olodo.

The number of assists a number ten has depends on the quality of striker you have in your team. So far this season, we've had about 106 or thereabout chances created but how many goals do we have to show for it?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 5:11pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
What exactly are you saying? He's can't be a no 10 for us because he's visionless! As simple as abc!

And he's not shown one quarter of the converted Mikel's best performance in the DM role. So what exactly are you talking about?

We all know Kagawa's best position is the no 10 or the attacking central midfield position but due to Rode poor performance and Guerrerro's injury, he's been forced to play in a central 2-man midfield and he's looked decent in the role but at least, he has a position he excelled in, unlike a certain Herrera.
Lol!

There can't be two best position for him. Which school did you attend?

When it comes to your favourite players, it's excuses upon excuses. These same excuses goes for Herrera.

He excelled in the position and he was sold off by your god. He couldn't stamp his authority under three different coaches at Man Utd and you call that "excelled"?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 4:57pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Because Mane is a midfielder which Van gaal kept emphasising on? You don craze is swear! Why then did he deploy Lingard as a box-box CM vs city?
You're the crazy one here because if you are not you won't be asking that question when you know that's one of the qualities of your god LVG. Was he not the same person who played the same Lingard as a number 10, Young as a striker and I think Mata as a winger? You are totally a confused man.
LVG looking for pace in the midfield with his slow process possession football with more of backward passes, backpasses and square passes with little penetration. You definitely don't know what you are talking about.

That said, how can you compare Herrera's situation to that of Kante. One had his signing almost completed under Moyes except for few paper undone compared that to Kante whom the board didn't even make any interest the moment Van gaal was sacked and Mourinho came in.
There can be only a difference because of your continuous effort to say he wasn't your god's signing even after the player himself said otherwise. Show me proofs that Herrera's signing was done except for few papers.

Can you just read what you typed? The board didn't make any interest in Kante the moment LVG was sacked! And Mourinho still approached the same player? So it's the board that'll tell the coach the player to buy even if he doesn't want the player. You must be an insider to know all these?

And let me remind you that as soon as Mourinho was hired, he constantly stated that he only had 4 key signings to make, of which he already told the board. Why should they bother about Van gaal's interested signings when we have a new coach at the helm and he wanted something else. It's not like we had almost completed his signing like we did with Herrera.
This guy don craze patapata.

If Mourinho wanted something else, why then did he still approach Kante? Or are you saying Mourinho was after Kante and Pogba at the same time?

I'm waiting for your proof(s) that Herrera's deal was almost done by Moyes.

The other things you typed are just craps as usual.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 4:02pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
Kante is a box-box CM. That's his best role but do Herrera have any?

Let me point to you that Scholes, Pirlo et al all had a role they mastered quite well regardless of where their coach utilise them. Herrera on the other hand has none which is why he has 'the Jack of all trade' crown!
He has performed well in the no 10 where he came from but your god LVG failed to see that and also saw nothing good in him. Presently where he's being deployed he's performing his duty. He has only been played in two different midfield positions where he's performed well so far. If you see that as being a jack of all trade the Scholes and Pirlo are jacks of all trade too.

Also, how many positions has your Kagawa played at Dortmund? He too must be jack of all trade.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 2:43pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/manchester-united-plot-30million-transfer-raid-on-leicester-city-for-ngolo-kante-5852256/

This was as at April 2016. I'm wondering where you put your ear when Van gaal kept talking about the need for pace in the midfield. He even deploy Lingard as a box-box CM multiple time to emphasise his point. It was even the need for pace that got us interested in Renato Sanches until Van gaal vetoed the move.
I'm also wondering where your reasoning was in other for you to know that the pace LVG was talking about was about Mane and not Kante. You went and brought a rumour that was said all because we wanted to play them. Come to think of it, let's agree that LVG has interest in him (which wasn't so), where then do we leave the fact that has been said by Kante himself that Mourinho actually spoke to him about coming to Man Utd? If LVG was really interested in him and has actually told the board about his interest in him, then there's no way he would've gone to Chelsea unless the guy actually didn't want to come. Example is Herrera's case before he was signed.

This definitely shows that that news isn't correct.

And I repeat there's no way for a consistent one man midfield machine as Kante would have underperformed under Van gaal. Bastian never did in his prime under Van gaal. So what are you talking about? The fact that your Herrera is full of shite and stunk the whole place with his shite doesn't mean Kante is an average player as Herrera is.
Why was he then underperforming under Conte's 4-1-4-1? Kante cannot and will not do a midfielder's job all alone without assistance from a good midfielder.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 2:13pm On Oct 24, 2016
Diademk07:
The difference is Kante was never a DM to begin with and everyone was questioning Conte intent on playing him in the role however people like you were creaming their pant over Herrera's new role seeing that he's been useless everywhere else, even in his natural role, of which we still don't know BTW. Hence, the difference.
Meaning that Kante needs someone good to play beside him before he himself can function well in his natural position. Same also applies to Herrera. He can't be playing with your useless Fellaini and that lazy jogging Pogba and still expect to see the midfield play very well as a whole. You talk as if Kante alone can do the whole midfield work all alone without good midfield partners.

Everywhere else? Has he played as a defender, striker or as a goalkeeper before? This is another lie.

Lest i forget, if you call Herrera a jack of all trade because if the two positions he has played in, the players such as Scholes, Pirlo and some other players who have done same are also jack of all trade.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 12:58pm On Oct 24, 2016
elrony:
Take small small dey exaggerate things na, wetin Drinkwater and Co dey do for the midfield, sleeping?

Not taking anything from kante tho.
Don't mind him. When I said it that the guy was the one responsible for Leicester's good defence last season, he was here telling us how good Huth and Morgan were. He's now double speaking from both sides of his mouth.

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