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Kagawa10:The BLIND ONE, it is you who should prove what I've posted wrong with contrary charts not ranting about and triple posting because your blood is hot. Herrera who played deeper even had more central passes than your Fellaini whose passes were more of right sided passes. I'm adding another question to the ones you've not been able to answer. How many balls were lumped at him when he only had 4 aerial duels in the opposition box? Bring out your facts not what you and imagining |
PietroRico:You forgot to mention the Watford game which was the immediate match in PL after Man City defeat. It was also Pogba-Fellaini midfield. He also had a great game according to him. That guy doesn't watch our matches. |
Kagawa10:We'll see whose eyes are faulty now. I told you that we played 433 but you insisted that we played 4231 with Fellaini playing as a no 10 while Pogba played beside Herrera but not ahead of him. The first pix shows our team formation on that day which was 433 as against your phantom 4231. The second pix buttress the fact that we played 433 with Fellaini's passes drifting more to the right and in centre midfield rather than centrally in the final third of the opposition. He has very low passes because he was piss poor with his passes with almost half as backwards passes. The third shows that you lied by saying that Zlatan had to go deep in the midfield to get passes from Herrera. Whereas out of ten passes made to Zlatan by Herrera, 7 of those passes where received by Zlatan in the final third. The fourth pix shows that your phantom no 10 man Fellaini only made 1 pass to his striker Zlatan in the 56 mins he spent on the pitch. Also note where Fellaini made the single pass to Zlatan. We can now see that you are the BLIND ONE here. Now bring out your facts to prove that Fellaini played as a number 10 in the 4231 formation you saw.
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Kagawa10:Pogba was almost playing as a no 6. Is there anything like that? Why then was going forward? You've not given me your proof that Fellaini played as a number 10 in that game and how Pogba and Herrera played beside each other meaning we played 42321. Pogba had one of his best games with Fellaini in our midfield and Fellaini is no longer starting with him. The same midfield that looked so sluggish and bereft of creativity then. You have proven time and time again that you don't watch our matches and this is another confirmation. It's either you follow live text or you listen to radio commentary. |
Kagawa10:What truth? The one you said the last time that Fellaini played as a number 10 and that Zlatan had to ho deep to collect passes from Herrera. |
Kagawa10:Fellaini didn't play no 10. We played 433 which is a 3-man midfield. He played to the right of Herrera. You are now implying that we played 4231 when we all know that the system doesn't get the best out of Pogba because of his defensive liabilities. |
Kagawa10:It's when your lies are being exposed that you descend to the point when you start insulting. So, what formation was played against Stoke where Pogba was played in a 2-man midfield on Saturday? Also, where did Fellaini played? |
eph12:Go back and read my post and come and tell me where I posted that Herrera had 100 forward passes. Also, where did I blame Fellaini for being pushed forward? You don't even know the genesis of the whole argument and you jumped in. Go back and read from where it started. I like Herrera because he is hardworking but that creativity you're castigating Fellaini for Herrera lacks too. By the way Fella has never been know to be one to use the ball with his feet often. Prefers the ball in the air and probably Jose is happy with that.The bold answers the first sentence and it says it all. I don't need any further response. |
Kagawa10:This is really hilarious. So when Carrick is playing with Pogba, he'll be freed but when he's playing along Herrera, he'll be glued together with Herrera. So the 433 has different tactics and system for Herrera-Pogba and Carrick-Pogba combo. A very silly assertion. |
Kagawa10:The same question goes back to you that since Carrick has been starting for us this season, tell us in which game he passes more to other players than to Pogba and Herrera who are closer to him than any other player. You expect him to be launching the ball upwards the way you saw him do it under your canopy. Let me tell you now if you don't know that Fellaini isn't a no 10 but a SS or no 8. That's the best way to deploy him, not as a player expected to fashion out chances for the forward. Blame Mourinho for playing him as a no 10 instead of using him as a SS or no 8. And yes, Fellaini played as no 8 under Van Gaal and was far better than the useless Herrera last season and if Fellaini was to play as a SS, he needs the midfield to have a lot of control as well creating for him and the more reason, Carrick should have played instead of 'the no progressive' Herrera!You don't need to tell me that he's always useful aas a SS because I already know that since his Everton days. A no 8 that'll always slow down the midfield and be safe-passing? More so, if Fellaini is going to play as a SS, how then does he need the midfield more to create for him? He'll rather need more of crosses from the wings cos he thrives more with his head than his feet's. It's even quite funny when you expect someone who was hardly on the ball and used as a launching route to be the creative force when the likes of Mkhi, Mata, Pogba and Herrera did nothing with all their touches!The 27 passes he got, what did he do with it? He'll rather safe-pass backwards. Why then should they continue passing to him when they knew he'll still pass them back to them. Why is it that almost 50% of his passes were backwards which he couldn't even complete? That's what you should answer. It's no longer Herrera launching up the ball and passing backwards. |
Kagawa10:Liar! Liar!! Liar!!! Your hatred for this guy knows no bound. Always praising and finding excuses for the cluelessness of Fellaini and see no good in Herrera's good performances. On the bold. Herrera pass stats; Total successful passes 102/110 Total Forward passes 67/74 Total backward passes 13/13 Total long passes 4/7 Total short passes 98/103 Square passes 22/23 Backpass 1/1 Chances created 2 How was it that Herrera's only route was to launch the ball up and pass backward when he only attempted 7 long balls and only 13 of his 110 attempted total passes were backward passes? Fellaini played 56 mins as an attacking midfielder. Total successful passes 23/27 Total forward passes 10/11 Totsl backward passes 10/12 Total short passes 23/27 Total Square passes 3/4 We can now see that your Fellaini was the one not doing anything in the attacking midfield position where he was supposed to be creating for Zlatan. His pass stats has also shown to us that when he passes forward ten times, he passes backward ten times. What does this tell you? He couldn't even complete his attempted backward passes which is so simple to do. I have said it that he is only useful with his aerial ability which isn't the main quality of a midfielder. People kept blaming Fellaini when he was hardly on the ball and was only utilised when the ball were launched to him. Besides, he did okay with the little touches he had. Maybe he should have dropped deep to play as a no 8 but we don't know how Mourinho asked him to play. I wonder why people are not hammering on those that had lot of touches and did nothing with it.Why will any sane footballer keep on passing to him when the passes they made to him were being passed backwards? He couldn't even attack with the passes they made to him. They pass to him, he passes back to them and runs into the opposition box expecting what? Herrera has played where he played yesterday and he has excelled there many times this season. You want Fellaini to drop deep to do what? To cause a penalty? Didn't you even read or hear where his former team mate at Everton said they didn't always want him anywhere near their 18-yard box? That's why I kept hammering on a midfield of Carrick and Fellaini because Carrick wouldn't have done a Herrera and would have dictated the play provided he wasn't marked which wasn't the case today and Fellaini would have been involved a lot more.Lol! He'll even be worse with Carrick. Thank God you are not our coach. The midfield will be so sluggish like when snails and tortoise are engaging in a race. |
SMH! Fellaini and movement and awareness in the same sentence? The same movement and awareness that has given away two penalty kicks this season. Yes, he created another option for us in the game when he came on because we decided to adopt the ROUTE ONE option when our players didn't make use of the chances created through the midfield (at least 3). Route one is always our plan b when things are not going on, nothing more than that. At that time Liverpool were trying to defend their one goal lead which is natural. Saying Herrera is only a workhorse with no creativity, no movement, no awareness which Fellaini has. But Herrera that doesn't have these was able to have 5 tackles, 4 interceltions, 4 recoveries and created a chance. He even made one through ball from the back, i think to Valencia. There were a couple of such incisive passes he made to Valencia. He didn't do anything better than Carrick in that match but carrick didn't make a single interception or recorvery and the only tackle he attempted he lost it in the match. Though i'm not surprised by all these because an unrepentant hater will never see anything good in Herrera even when he continues to shame you in every minute he has played this season. |
chrisley024:Maybe or maybe not because I read that Liverpool haven't won against Southampton in the last four games. That Liverpool sharpness and fast pace weren't there. They were so sluggish and they were running as if some kind heavy metals to their legs. They were extremely lucky. |
Memphis wanted everywhere: .@Memphis could be heading to Goodison Park in January as Everton look to bolster their ranks. (Liverpool Echo) .@Memphis turned down a potential move to Fenerbahce last week, telling the Turkish club that he preferred to stay in England. (Daily Mail) AC Milan are moving on from Everton winger Gerard Deulofeu to ask @ManUtd for @Memphis instead. (Tuttosport) .@Memphis could join Porto on loan as a replacement for Brahimi. (A Bola via @PortuBall) French club Nice are interested in @Memphis. (@Eurosport_FR via @_AlexdeCastro_) Ronald Koeman has confirmed he wants to sign @Memphis in January. (via @football_oranje) Lyon have also entered into negotiations with @ManUtd over the possible transfer of Dutch winger @Memphis. (Foot Mercato) .@_MrSpectacular Gérard Houllier is the club advisor of Lyon and he talked to Van Gaal to know more about the players |
Liverpool were very lucky to lose against Southampton by just 1 goal to nil. Liverpool were shocking in that match. Southampton were just cutting them open anyhow. |
MRTA7:Yeah, I agree. I posted it just to show how some stats can be deceptive cos it didn't put into consideration the situation of a team when the coach(es) took over the team. We can see the difference in SAF's first 100 games after the league was changed. At that time he has turned the team around. |
This was before yesterday's game Games won in first 31 as manager of @ManUtd: 20: Mourinho 18: Moyes 16: Van Gaal 15: Busby 14: Atkinson 12: Ferguson, Sexton
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Manchester United have won their last 9 games in all competitions, their best run since winning 11 in a row in Feb 2009. (@OptaJoe) Mata has equalled his Chelsea goalscoring record (33) in 6 fewer games at #mufc (129 apps) [squawka] |
Oasis007:I decided not to respond when I saw that. It's going to be an effort in futility. Maybe approval has another meaning. |
Again on Herrera signing LVG: In his first United presss conference on Thursday afternoon, Van Gaal said: 'Shaw and Herrera were already on the list. I gave my approval because I like them.Meaning that if he didn't like them he wouldn't have signed them. The job of a scout is to discover football talents which a coach will either approve or dissaprove. Herrera: I’m grateful to him because he signed me and so gave me the opportunity to play more than 70 games, in two years, at arguably the world’s largest club.Those two quotes are in agreement and are from the main persons. The question is who do I believe? LVG and Herrera or www.theunitedpages.com? I choose to believe both LVG and Herrera. Why will i believe a site like www.theunitedpages.com which is ran by an individual who wants to attract traffic to his site? Bringing a useless site to prove that LVG didn't sign Shaw and Herrera isn't going to fly. You can believe whatever you read but posting it on a public forum will always be met with scrutiny. A site that even posted this conjecture: Jose Mourinho’s phoney war with United’s under-performing and over-grumbling stars is over. Battle lines have been well and truly drawn.We now know that these are all cooked-up stories which has no iota of truth. On the hindsight, Mourinho has been saying it loud and clear to everyone that he's not willing to sell anyone in January transfer window unless a player that wants to leave. I even saw this on the site: Founder and owner of theunitedpages.com. I mainly deal with the administration of the site but have provided some articles as well as the photoshop manipulations.Maybe someone can explain what that means to me. |
RooRuudRonSaha:You also forgot to mention that LVG lost 3 - 0 to Arsenal, Tottenham and Everton respectively. Out of the four times he played Swansea City in the EPL, he was able to win only once. Swansea, Westbrom, Norwich and Southampton that are not top teams nor title contenders all took their turns by beating us at Old Trafford. We lost a match we were leading by two goals to Leicester by 5 - 3. I don't even want to go to the shame Moyes put this club through. |
Ball-hog Ander Herrera has found space for himself in Manchester United’s midfield Every team wants their best players to see plenty of the ball. However, too much of a good thing can turn even the best of intentions bad. While the importance of Michael Carrick to Manchester United and their recent improvements in performances has been noted, Ander Herrera is another player whose presence is proving to be essential in giving Jose Mourinho’s team balance and Paul Pogba a stage on which to shine. Ander Herrera is more involved in Manchester United’s general play than ever before. On his return to Old Trafford in the summer, the Frenchman initially looked restricted by his status as the club’s main focal point in midfield rather than elevated by all the attention. It wasn’t stage fright that was holding him back, although the price on his head may have played a part. After moving from Juventus in a deal that broke all records to confirm Pogba as the most expensive footballer of all-time, there was a sense that the midfielder simply had to be at the heart of everything his new team tried to do, as if to justify his value, monetary or otherwise. Goals and assists – the most basic, reductive currency by which big names prove their worth on the pitch – are always harder to come by for a player in his position. In order to live up to the expectations set against him, it seemed that the 23-year-old was intent on taking too much on, and that too much was being placed upon him. He played as if he had to be central to every single move, the source of every attack and the protagonist of United’s every highlight. His billing, to some extent, demanded it. At Juventus he’d always shared the spotlight, and to some extent he seemed suffocated as United sent almost all of their possession his way. Paul Pogba’s record for chances created this season now compares favourably to his past years at Juventus, but that wasn’t always the case despite his increase in passes. The outcome was congestion rather than creativity, with players such as Claudio Marchisio, Arturo Vidal or Andrea Pirlo to keep the ball warm for him while he darted off to make things happen. Instead of “hold my beer, I’ve got this”, he had to run an obstacle course while holding a tray of drinks, and spillages were common. Jose Mourinho initially sought to pair the Frenchman up with Marouane Fellaini in a two-man midfield so as to unleash him from deep. The Belgian was to be both a protector and provider – of the ball, at least. In theory, while Pogba roamed free from deep, driving the team up the field with his dribbling runs from one box to the other, demanding the pass to dictate play, his more aggressive and awkward partner was to ruffle feathers and chase down opponents to deprive them of the ball, preventing them from playing through the middle. In practice, it was only partly successful. Marouane Fellaini was top of the table for passes attempted and completed after United’s first five games of the season. Fellaini looked rejuvenated in his new role. The added responsibility of keeping the ball seemed to bring out his best side for a time. United won their first three league games of the season, and even after their fifth the Belgian still topped the charts for passes attempted and completed. His completion rate of 90% was held up as an example of his new-found finesse under Mourinho, yet instead of helping to shoulder the burden for Pogba and allow him the freedom to dominate games, the Belgian’s quantity and accuracy belied the quality of his passing. Knocking a player for sending the ball sideways and backwards may have become a common ploy for dismissing the virtues of keeping it simple from deep. In Fellaini’s case however the criticism was correct. Pogba still had it all to do when it came to actually making something out of his team’s possession. United were created 10.8 chances-per-game with the Fellaini and Pogba partnership. They’ve created 13.1 with Herrera and Pogba in midfield together. If anything, the Belgian’s conservative nature with the ball at his feet only increased the Frenchman’s workload. He was a dead-weight against opponents United were meant to be dominating, forcing Pogba deeper and deeper away from areas where he could actually hurt the other side and play on the front-foot. By contrast, Herrera has so far shown himself to be capable of providing the 23-year-old everything he needs to flourish, while also contributing to creating chances himself. He can make a pass, keep the ball, put in tackles, cut out danger before it becomes a genuine threat and allow the France international to play the way he wants. Herrera, Fellaini and Pogba compared this season for passes and tackles. Henrikh Mkhitaryan’s belated integration into Mourinho’s first-team plans may have helped take the pressure off Pogba to be United’s match-winner for every occasion – granting him the opportunity to take on his role with more clarity, sharpening up his all-round game by removing the clutter from his duties – but it’s the Spaniard who’s given him the platform to step forward from deep to be the midfield front-man at last. It’s not just a solution that’s suited the Frenchman. Following on from his own arrival under Louis van Gaal in 2014, the ex-Athletic Club and Real Zaragoza playmaker found it hard to find a regular place in his manager’s starting XI. Herrera is top for defensive actions-per-90 minutes for United this season in the Premier League. Despite being the dynamic link-man in the thick of the 4-3-3 shape his manger eventually shifted to as United enjoyed their best run of form under the Dutchman, beating Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool and Manchester City in convincing fashion between March and April 2015, he was dropped again the following season. Early on, he wasn’t inventive (or expensive) enough to be preferred to Angel Di Maria as his side’s chief creator, was too foul-prone and rash to play the holding role and seemed best suited to that position between the lines in a three-man midfield, that the former Bayern Munich manager seemed intent on dismantling in his second season. Herrera was the top performer for Louis van Gaal during his team’s best run in 2015 according to Squawka Performance Score. He wanted positional discipline, not a player who wanted to break through the lines at will. For the majority of his first six months at the club, Van Gaal benched Herrera for being too eager to close players down and break formation, to take a risk on attacking the ball and push forward in possession rather than holding his position and sticking to the shape. It’s these qualities that have since piqued Mourinho’s interest in using the Spaniard as a midfielder capable of winning a scrap as well as creating chances. Herrera is top of the pile for passes attempted or completed-per-90 minutes for United in the Premier League this season. No United player has made more tackles this season. He’s made more tackles-per-90 minutes than any other midfielder in the squad since his arrival two-and-a-half years ago, and now stands top of the pile for passes attempted and completed for the club since the summer. When Herrera plays alongside Pogba, even without the cover of Carrick, the Frenchman looks liberated by the Spaniard’s defensive work and his more positive range of passing. He’s not only succeeded in playing United’s new arrival into better positions from which to control games, but also, finally, carved a niche for himself in the starting XI. A full-strength United side can longer be imagined without him. Playing deeper, Herrera is creating more chances, passing over greater ranges, winning more headers and making more interceptions. There’s still work to be done, of course. Although he’s improved in his ability to sit back and hold his ground as well as hustle opponents in one-on-one confrontations, more wisdom, restraint and composure is required from the player charged with screening the back four and lying in wait as the master of the holding role. That could still come with time. Given his slight frame, his true size is often overlooked. Standing at six-foot, he’s lean but not weak and could be better equipped for the task at hand than first impressions may suggest. For now, the 27-year-old is making a difference as a problem solver slightly further forward, in a similar role to the one he played during Van Gaal’s mini-peak at the end of spring in 2015. Herrera is also currently making 1.71 fouls-per-90 minutes to just 0.25 for Carrick – he still has some way to go before he can step into his place. Herrera was once touted as one of many potential heirs to the throne of Paul Scholes. Yet as he drops further back into midfield to take on the role of being Mourinho’s first-choice No.6, he’s becoming more than just an enabler of Pogba’s genius. At a time when fans are becoming increasingly anxious over what may come to pass in a future without Carrick, the Spaniard’s final fate could lie in transforming himself into a viable, if not identical, replacement to the 35-year-old in the long-run. http://www.squawka.com/news/ball-hog-ander-herrera-has-found-space-for-himself-in-manchester-uniteds-midfield/869590 |
Most through balls completed in the final third in the Premier League so far: P. Pogba (6) Z. Ibrahimovic (6) K. De Bruyne (6) D. Silva (5) |
JayKayMaybachz:The bold isn't true. I saw some of his stats on skyports in about three or four weeks ago that he performs well against top teams as well. |
JayKayMaybachz:In "Up Barka" fans reasoning. International champion calling local champion his IDOL. Isn't that intetesting? |
This is for the Canopy Analyst. Herrera for 925 mins in EPL: Herrera's Premier League by numbers: 2 assists 14 chances created 30 clearances 39 interceptions 75 tackles 765 passes |
Reality is now dawning on Pep. http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/13/pep-guardiola-calls-manchester-united-legend-sir-alex-ferguson-his-idol-as-he-calls-for-time-at-manchester-city-6320422/
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Diademk07:Who said this? This is just a simple sentence o. Diademk07:As a response to this tess1:Were you drunk when you typed that or was it that you didn't understand the sentence you typed? Whichever, I give up on you. I'm saving you from making more stupid and idiotic blunders. |
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Diademk07:Lol! You are not intelligent at all. You think you are smart, whereas you are too dull. What about other players mentioned? Are you now telling me that Ribery and Lahm also played as the SS as you've claimed? Also, why did Ribery have the highest assists in the previous season? Did he also play as a SS or as the number 10? |
Diademk07:Vomitting rubbish again. I said he got dropped but you said no. What's the meaning of getting dropped from a team? It simply means you've been selected for some games before you're no longer selected. It may be 1, 2, 3 games or more. Thank God that Herrera and LVG were new to the club at that time. He bought him, played him in the first 6 or so games when he wasn't injured and dropped him because he felt that he doesn't fit into his team. I can't help you beyond this if English Language is your problem. That was how you said that Kagawa have two best positions. If you have problem with English Language, maybe you should be communicating in your local language. |
Diademk07:Your thinking faculty is so low as usual. You can't even comprehend that. That's to back up my point that the assist a number gets depends on the quality if the striker and the way the team is set up to play. Meaning that it is possible for a person who played as striker or inverted wingers or wingers to have more assists than the person who played as a number 10 in any team set up. |
