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elampiro:
It is a United fan page dedicated to Jose Mourinho's era in the club. It's first about the club.

This is unlike your redcafe or Sun news where Liverpool fans run the show.

Oh! so you expected them to be posting Chelsea or Real Madrid matches.

Man Utd isn't about Jose Morinho. Coaches come and go. Show me where anything about Man Utd's history is mentioned there. Everything on that page is about Morinho.

elampiro:
It's a United fan page. All the posters there are United fans. These are real humans who tell how they go to Stadium to watch our matches. Verifiable 'real humans'

Unlike you guys bringing polls from robbot sites like reddit, bluecafe, cybercafe or other news outlets dominated by Liverpool followers like the Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Telegrams, etc.

That's not a Man Utd Fans page.

A page where they wrote what he won at Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. Also, they wrote his biography and his individual honours. You call that Man Utd Fans page? What about Man Utd history? Don't we have history anymore? Or is it that we've suddenly become José Morinho Utd?

This guy will bring up anything just to defend Rooney.

Could this be the reasons why it'll be hard for any coach to drop Rooney?

Maybe somebody can make me understand.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/notes_and_insights/the_mechanics_behind_wayne_rooneys_ground_breaking_new_contract

elampiro:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=335101136834992&substory_index=0&id=226393724372401

Lol!

Is this a Man Utd fans page or Jose Mourinho's fans page?

I didn't even bother reading further once I saw the name of the page.

Somebody brought a poll that was conducted by Man Utd fans and you are now using a Mourinho fan page to discredit the poll.

Also, Red Issue also conducted a poll on the same issue and 99% voted for Rooney to be dropped. These are credible polls.

lekkie073:
no mind elamps....its just a case of birds of a feather flocking together...

Lol.

He was told to give a link but he's posting few selected comments. Of course, you'll always have some people still supporting Rooney like him. Like having about 200 comments and having about 20/30 comments supporting him out of 200. Does that mean majority of the people that commented still see him as a good player?

He should just provide the link and let's read for ourselves to be able to judge.

SIRcumalot:
Stats.
That fine pass to ibra that forced a brilliant save from the watford keeper join too.

I'm surprised kagawa10 didn't say anything about these passes analysis. If it were Herrera that made those passes, he wouldn't have let us hear word. He would have been saying majority of his passes were sideways and backward passes.

weedtaker:
seems my write up was a bit confusing, i was not trying to say that the midfield trio of afro man, wazza and pogba weren't poor, am just saying that we've good options in the midfield that [if combined right] would make our midfield good

Yeah, it's the way you put it. I later saw clarification.

weedtaker:
its a shame our own fans can't even address and analyze our own games, some are just set out at lambasting pogboon at any given chance, pogba even said that his best position is on the left side of midfield yet people are yarning bullocks, pogba is not a no.10 neither is he a CM in a pivot, and our problem is not in the midfield we have a very strong midfield, what surprises me is that we are not questioning our wingers and wing play, one of our best player last season have been struggling yet some folks don't think its a big deal instead they are busy pointing fingers at pogba and rooney, many have forgotten that in Jose's team his wingers are very important to his tactics
some even said José's tactic's is all about counter attack, but how can we counter when our wingers are playing like ghosts anyone who haven't been followings man utd and decides to watch us for the first time would think Valencia and shaw/pogba are our wingers
and those of us saying mous tactics has been found out should take a chill pill if jose don't succeed here then manutd are in a deep mess.

I totally disagree with " our problem is not in the midfield we have a very strong midfield".
Our midfield yesterday was very poor. We lacked creativity and pace in that midfield. A midfield where Pogba and Rooney who were the most advanced in the three couldn't create any chance in open play. Fellaini as limited as he is created two chances from open play. Does this not tell is where the problem lies? None of them can play make. One is always making the simplest things look difficult.

JM needs to make a tough decision in that our midfield if our play is to improve. We have Carrick and Teiger who can dictate play and easily rotate them because of age and injury. I can't blame the defence so much because of the combination of the midfielder he's using.

Mourinho: "For me, the next big game is against Feyenoord and @MarcusRashford's going to play. That’s the only thing I can say."

Mourinho: "I trust him completely. I know his future will be absolutely brilliant. He’s mainly a No.9.

Mourinho: "If you want to play him in different positions, we need to work on him and improve him. But his big personality is there."

Diademk07:
Don't make me laugh.

At old trafford for example when Drinwater got sent off and we were piling in the pressure, it was Morgan who blocked out most of our chances.. He was Leicester's best player in the game.

In the game yesterday, First and foremost, Simpson has always been a poor defender from the start. Besides, he got injured and was replaced by one unknown player who looked 10 times worse. There was also Fuchs whose age is now telling on his side because he was very awful vs Mane. Then, their average midfield..

So cut Leicester defenders some slack..

Lol!

So Simpson is now a poor defender. This same Simpson was there throughout last season. I told you last season that part of the reasons he's not being exposed was that he had a stable defense coupled with Kante shielding their defense. Smalling on the other hand didn't have a settled back four and our midfield wasn't doing anything to protect him. Age is now telling on a 30yr old defender Fuchs? Okay o.

That's what I always say about you. Was yesterday's game the only game they have played this season? Go and watch all the games they've played since the Community shield. How about his first game of the season. Was it not also in the first game of the season that he was used to wipe the pitch as well?

Diademk07:
They lost possession because they had no space to operate. Both are players who depends a lot on space..

Dropping so deep even made it worse for them. Check out Debryune performance for City against us last season. He was shite because he had to drop so deep since City couldn't control the midfield against a certain Carrick who was fantastic in the match..

A 3-man midfield had the midfield closer to the attack and ensures there's lot of space for our wing forwards to drift in.

Mkhi and Lingard were hardly players that flies down the wing and takes on fullbacks like Jose was expecting of them.

Nobody is saying they should be hugging the wings.

So because there was no space, they lose possession anyhow and couldn't fight for the ball? Continue with the excuses.

Diademk07:
LOL..
Did you even watch the game?

Morgan and Huth looked solid with few lapse here or there, it was their fullbacks and Midfield that let Leicester down.

Back to our game, I repeat no one knows how Smalling would have performed yesterday. No be the same Smalling wey dey wrap himself around opponent like a lover we're talking about?

No, I didn't watch the game. I followed your commentary under the canopy.

Are the fullbacks not the same they had last season? So, you now know the midfield (Kante) was protecting them last season. The same Morgan that Lingard used to wipe the pitch?

Danhumprey:
Y'all criticizing Daley Blind should calm down. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Who know how Smalling would have fair?





The way Pogba lose possession ehn! Someone better talk to him.

As good as Blind is good at passing, we all know his limitations when there's a counter and his aerial weakness. Can he always cover for Blind? No. He's a disaster waiting to happen.

Diademk07:
I know Lingard and Mkhi were really bad and deserved their criticism but most of it were due to be isolated.. They had to drop deep, thereby having no space to operate while inviting lot of pressure.

Our switch to a 3-man tactic rectified that in the second half but I tell you if Martial or Rashford had started in the 1st half with the way we looked in the midfield, they would have been poor as well..

Also, nobody knows how Smalling woulda played against the fluid passing movement of City players. Are we talking of the same player that looked clueless vs Wolfsburg or at fault for all the 3 goals scored by Newcastle last season?

I know you want to start defending your Blind to continue as our centre defender. How Smalling at fault for 3 goals scored by Newcastle? You always like take few games out of so many games to rubbish/praise players you hate/like.

We can now see how good your Morgan that you said was better than Smalling is fairing without Kante. We can see how he's being exposed here and there. I told you that it's Kante that's protecting that defence.

I'm not here for your long drawn argument. I have stated my opinion.

Diademk07:
I know Lingard and Mkhi were really bad and deserved their criticism but most of it were due to be isolated.. They had to drop deep, thereby having no space to operate while inviting lot of pressure.

Our switch to a 3-man tactic rectified that in the second half but I tell you if Martial or Rashford had started in the 1st half with the way we looked in the midfield, they would have been poor as well..

Due to being isolated caused them to be losing possession? If that's the case all other players should've been losing it at the rate they were losing it. I believe JM started them because they can run with the ball the same way Rashford can do as well but they're more experienced. Though, I know we had problem in the midfield with the way Pogba played in that game. The fact remains they were piss poor.

My take on yesterday's match is that we have no reason for losing the match other than because cause we has two passengers in Micki and Lingard in the first half. These two players did virtually nothing in the first half. Micki's own was just too obvious. Not saying he's a bad player but he'll have to really up his game in order to make a mark in EPL. There was a loose ball that was played into his front on the right side away from Man City's defender which he could still chase and Valencia pointed to the ball for him to chase, he just relaxed and left it for City's defender to recover the ball with no challenge. As sluggish as Mata is, he would've contested for that ball and probably won it. This is EPL where you must chase every 50 - 50 ball because you may be the lucky one.

For the umpteenth time Blind isn't a defender. We have a good defender in Smalling, one of our best two defenders last season. Why wasting him on the bench? Bailly made a miscalculation which any defender can make. But does he have at partner that can cover such mistakes? NO. Those fans comparing Blind to Smalling can now see.

Pogba needs to learn. He's a good player and he's still young. He needs to always release the ball on time for any available team mate, that's what will bring his qualities out. Not romancing the ball excessively and eventually losing possession and putting his team mates under unnecessary pressure.

The season is still a long way to go. I hope JM will learn from this and do The right thing to improve our play.

"But I want to talk about facts. I want to be clear, I do not want to play mind games too early, although they seem to want to start. But I have seen some facts. On 1 November, they played Hull and Mr Ferguson had a two-match touchline ban and a £10,000 fine after confronting Mike Dean, the referee, for improper conduct.

VS

"During the Respect campaign – and this is a fact – Mr Ferguson was charged by the FA for improper conduct after comments made about Martin Atkinson and Keith Hackett. He was not punished. He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things."

What is the fact here? In one breath, you said somebody was two-match touchline ban and a £10,000 fine for improper conduct. In another breath, he said this same person was the only manager it the league that cannot be punished for improper conduct.

What's he talking? This man was under intense pressure and he was looking for excuses in case he lose the league titles.

The conspiracy theory that this guy is bringing up is an absurdity of the highest order.

That elbow by Aguero is totally a red card offence. That's why it generated so much media attention immediately after the incident. Former referees Graham Poll and Dermot Gallagher both said it's a red card offence.
DERMOT SAYS: It's a red card. I can't defend the referee. I was taught, look at his fist, if a player is going to throw his arm out violently, he has to clench his fist. Will he face retrospective action? I honestly don't know, because none of the officials witnessed that act. It's difficult to say the referee has not seen that, but he has not recognised it. Until the FA speak to the referee, we won't know, because he hasn't even given a free-kick.

You comparing this particular one to the one against Sanchez is really laughable because Arsenal got a penalty for it while West Ham didn't get a free kick and Aguero didn't get a caution. This simply means the referee didn't see it.

If we must accept your opinion about the whole issue that the referee saw it, then Aguero himself must be a part of your conspiracy. Aguero must have been paid to throw such elbow so as for him to get a straight red card or be banned later (in case the referee refused to give him a red card). Why did Aguero throw that elbow to make your conspiracy work?

It is only when such things happens and somehow benefits Man Utd (in your opinion) that you people always bring up this conspiracy that Man Utd buys it's way to the top but when it happens other way round you people keep quiet as if nothing happened.

In April 2011, Man Utd played against West Ham and Rooney swore into a TV camera which the match referee Lee Mason saw as nothing and rightly did nothing about. The FA took up the matter which didn't have any punishment in their laws and gave Rooney a two-match suspension. This made Rooney miss our FA Cup semi final match against Man City which Man City won and went ahead to win the cup in the final.

This is what Harsley said about that as well:
“I was in the same boat as Lee Mason that time when Wayne Rooney swore into a TV camera in a game at West Ham. No referee would have sent off for that, but Lee came under pressure to report that he hadn’t seen it but would have given a red card if he had seen it."
What do you have to say about this?
Always looking for excuses for their long drawn failure in the league.

Saw this on twitter
"Being an Arsenal fan should be included in 1000 ways to die"

Diademk07:
Just checked, Poole actually played as a DM in that City match.
That makes 2 fantastic matches he's had as a CDM.
For me, he looks better as a CDM than as a defender eventhough he's quite good in that role as well.

Van gaal wouldn't have given him a cameo in the midfield if he didn't rate him as a midfielder.

Yinmu!

He looks better as a CDM and Warren Joyce has used him as a defender in 6/7 U21 matches for us. You must know more than him.

LVG brought him on the 91st minute and so much rated him that he never used him again until he was sacked.

Diademk07:
How many competitive match has Poole played?

How old is the bouy BTW. The player is even alternating between the defence and the midfield in the academy. Take TFM for example, we don't even know how's he gonna end up.

At least, Van gaal gave him a midfield cameo which he rarely did with TFM.

Abegi, all this your unnecessary argument dey irritate me.

He played 15 competitive matches for Newport County before he was bought by Man Utd and all those matches were as a defender.

He played three competitive matches for Wales as U17, all were in the defence.

Why is it so difficult for you to tell me the matches you've seen him play as a midfielder and as a defender for Man Utd. If he's alternating between the defence and the midfield, let's know the number of matches.

How did LVG give a player that was sub on at 91 mins a midfield cameo? Phil Jones must be a midfielder because he has been given a midfield role in matches. If his best position is midfield, by now he would've been playing more there. You don't even know the player you are talking about very well.

It is when you've lost the argument that it is now irritating you.

Diademk07:
Did Kimmich ever played a competitive match as a CB or RB?

Abegi! Those players are young with fantastic defensive nous, composure and good visionary passes. It's either they end up as a ball playing CB or CDM at the end of the day.

SMH! Since you can't provide the matches he has played as a midfielder, how many matches of him playing as a midfielder have watched to have convinced you he can be a good midfielder? Just state the matches.

Diademk07:
Carrick and Fletcher na experience heads o.

I don't even get this your tales.

Did Bournemouth not gift the goals 2wks ago? Was there no Ibra brilliance? Our man of the match was even a defender.

So, what are you saying?

Carrick and Fletcher are not defenders.

Whether it was a gift or not, we won there while your god LVG couldn't win there last season.

IBRA brilliance? Was that not the reason why we brought him? Or was he supposed to show such brilliance to score against us? Or is IBRA not our player? You are now so confuse that you didn't expect IBRA to show his brilliance for us.

Diademk07:
It wasn't just when he broke out for Newport but he started his career as Midfielder. With young players that has Poole skillset, you can't predict where they could end up.

Weigl started as a CB but now he's a fantastic CM. Kimmich was a CM but was frequently used as a CB by Pep.

All these nah stories. Give me a competitive match he played as a midfielder before he was later converted to CB that you saw that makes you canvass that he should be our DM. You are here telling cock crows at dawn story.

Diademk07:
Kagawa isn't dropping deep to defend though.

He was dropping deep to orchestrate moves. Watch his manutd performance vs Bayern, Newcastle or Leverkusen etc.

BTW, Kagawa was mostly deployed as a proper CM last season yet he had 1.4 keypasses, 0.2 shy of that average player of yours. Care to tell me Herrera's key passes as a CM?

Shinji Kagawa is a shit number 10 because he couldn't produce 2+ key passes since he has been playing there. Last weekend against Bayern, he couldn't even produce 1 key pass and through pass as a number 10. He isn't different from Herrera. He got dispossessed anyhow. No wonder elampiro was calling him Indomie player.

NOTE: Anytime you are rubbishing Herrera, always know that you are also rubbishing Shinji according to your standard of 2+ key passes.

Diademk07:
What's this na?
A defence of experienced heads of Evra, Brown, Neville nd Fletcher. Don't forget Fletcher was a defensive box-box CM. Hence, I don't know why he would struggle with a marauding full back role.

Compared to a calamity McNair, inexperienced players like Varela and CbJ all in defence. Even Rafael took his time getting wasted on the flank before he matured.

Besides, the young players did well, Bournemouth had 1 one of 2 goals through a set piece.

When did Carrick and Fletcher become experienced defenders. Mc Nair, Varela and cbj are proper defenders.

Whether it's set piece or not we lost because of the clueless one.

Those defence that played against Westham and Wolfsburg were worse.

Diademk07:
Poole started out as midfielder before he was moved to the defence due to his defensive skills and Ariel strength.
Get your fact right first. Even van gaal gave him a cameo in the midfield vs midgetlland.

Tell me how many competitive matches he played as a midfielder before he was moved to the defence.

Poole is a defender who has played across the back four but centre defence has been the position he has played most since his Cardiff/Newport County days.

Phil Jones is a defender but was sometimes used as a midfielder. Does that now mean we should convert him or that he is a midfielder?

You keep on bandying Poole all over the thread. Your own kind of coach

Diademk07:
And where was he mostly deployed last season? Central midfield!

The fact is Kagawa isn't just a 10 but a playmaker, I've stated it on here on many occasion.

As a matter of fact, his best season for Dortmund in 11/12 for example had him dropping deep to orchestrate the play while Gundogan was the offensive box-box CM.

Prior to that, Dortmund was pathetic for the first half of that season because they were reeling from Sahin loss and had no one to replace him as an Orchestrator except for a young Gundogan who was more of a box-box CM whenever he played in the CM. They had to depend on Gotze brilliance while both Kagawa and Gundogan were relegated to the bench until the former later got injured and Klopp had to go back to the drawing board.

It was at that time Klopp started deploying Kagawa in a slightly deeper role to orchestrate the moves while Gundogan created the space to be exploited with his dribbling/surging runs and from there, they clinched the double. I see similar thing happening with Silva and Gundogan in the midfield for City because Silva is a similar playmaker as well unlike Debruyne.

You never disappoint. I said it that you just hate Herrera.

Excuses upon excuses for Shinji not being able to make 2+ key passes ever. He's no longer just a number 10 but a play maker or a box to box midfielder. When it comes to Nagasaki, it's excuses galore.

Tell me any number 10 that doesn't drop deep when the team is defending. Go and watch Bilbao's matches and come and tell us if Herrera wasn't dropping to their defence as well.

Majority of his game in 2011/12 season, he played as a number 10 and that was the reason why SAF bought him. Most of his career play has been as a number 10, then as a LM.

Shinji Kagawa is a shit player.

Diademk07:
If Jones was fit to play plenty of minutes, he would have played. In fact, Van Gaal loves Jones.

Tell us a defence that looked like that under Fergie.

So you don't even know that SAF won matches with worse defense. This confirms again that you hardly watch our matches.

In December 2009 we went away to Westham with Evra, Brown, Gary Neville as a CB and Fletcher as our right back. 24 mins into the match, Gary Neville got injured and Carrick came in to replace him with Kuszack as our keeper. We won that match 4 - 0.

I think this was followed by a match in the UCL away to Wolfsburg where we played three defenders in a 3-5-2 formation because of injuries. Evra, Carrick and Fletcher were our defenders with Kuszack as our keeper. We won the match 3 - 1.

LVG was a confirmed useless coach.

AdisaOwala:
Can you just stop this Poole campaign please?

You go dey shout Poole,Poole,Poole at the slightest opportunity - dem use Poole swear for you??

Man Utd is a serious minded club with lofty ambitions, not Southampton where the discovery of next rated stars is a major Objective!

Lol!

The same Regan Poole that is a defender but being used as a DM once in a while in the youth team? Poole has played majority of his play time as a defender.

Diademk07:
He should be creating at least 2+ chances per game.!

I don't hate him for any reason. Maybe the reason I don't like him is because I thought we were replacing Cleverley with a better player not knowing that we were getting the spanish one.

2+? This just shows how much you hate Herrera.

Shinji Kagawa is so good that you adopted his name as your former username here (kagawa10). He is one of your favourite player that should be playing as a proper number 10 that you also use him to rubbish Mata. Somebody once asked you who would pick between Kagawa and Mata as your number 10 and you answered it's Kagawa. Also, you went to the extent of exaggerating how brilliant and fantastic he was when deployed as a number 10 when he was still our player. These are the extents to which you worship him and he can do no wrong.

Lo behold! Shinji Kagawa has never achieved a 2+ key passes per match in his entire career as a number 10. He only averaged 1.8 (0.2 higher than Herrera's best) in his best season at Dortmund but you still describe him as a fantastic player. As a matter of fact he was dispossessed 2.1 per match.

Since you've now said that a good number 10 should be giving 2+ key passes per match, it simply means Shinji Kagawa too is a shit player. Can you just imagine Shinji Kagawa played full 90mins against Bayern as a number 10 in German Super Cup and couldn't make a single key pass throughout.
Last season he only averaged 1.4 key pass.

Furthermore, Mata who has been delivering 2+ key passes throughout his career before he came to Man Utd is also a shit player according to you but Shinji isn't. Your usual way to rubbish him is to always say he's a SS.

I could remember one post you made in the past where you questioned why Moyes went to buy Mata when we already had Kagawa. This is exactly why you hate them so much. It's just the same thing you have been showing here if a player you don't like is bought, you'll continue finding faults to rubbish such player. Ditto Mourinho. Your sense of judgement is totally faulty and biased.

We can now see your hero, your god, Shinji Kagawa is a shit number 10.

Diademk07:
He should be creating at least 2+ chances per game.!

I don't hate him for any reason. Maybe the reason I don't like him is because I thought we were replacing Cleverley with a better player not knowing that we were getting the spanish one.

Good, I'll respond to this in the morning.