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Diademk07:
What a dumbass who doesn't know we often played with a goalscoring SS and not a no 10 during the period. Is Herrera now a SS? Pray tell, how many goal did the oaf score?

I'm not surprised at this response of yours because you are so dumb to reason. I'll not go into that argument with you.

Let me give you a simpler one maybe your dumb brain will be able to process this.

In 2013/14 season, why did Ribery, Muller and Lahm had more assist in Bayern? Who played as the number 10 and how many assists did that person have?

Also, why did Blaszczykowski have higher assists than your Kagawa in 2010/11 season?

Stop disturbing my mention with your foolishness!

Can you now see that you are the most idiotic person on this thread. If not, you wouldn't have typed that when you actually were the one who first quoted me to start all these.

Diademk07:
Lmao. So Fabregas isn't a master of the no 10 role and attacking midfield position? You're so dumb I swear!

You are olodo rabata!

In 2011/12 fabregas had 8 assists

2012/13 he had 11 assists

2013/14 he had 12 assists

2014/15 he had 18 assists

2015/16 he had 7 assists

Tell me what happened to that stats despite him playing about 30 games or thereabout per season

And Kagawa only played 1 game under Van gaal.. More so, that game only ended in defeat as soon as he left injured, he was our best player before he got injured btw.
Let me also mention the fact that he forced his way into Moyes starting 11 before the season ended and was one of our best player during the period.

Why did LVG allow him to go if he so much valued him? Oh! I forgot that he didn't know he's a very good number 10 or centre midfielder. You are a dunce.

Diademk07:
Herrera didn't get dropped, he wasn't even a factor in Van gaal team. Action speaks louder than voice.

His action and Moyes's action showed that Herrera was the board decision. Same thing happened between Pep and Gotze.

Liar! Liar!! Liar!!! The more you try o cover your lies, the more your lies get exposed. Now, process the following and understand. Just like your god LVG will say "it's a process".

Your lies will be busted now.

These are the first 10 games of that season:

1st game - Aug 16 Man Utd v Swansea - Herrera played
2nd game - Aug 24 Sunderland v Man Utd - Herrera absent due to injury.
3rd game - Aug 30 Burnley v Man Utd - Herrera still out due to injury
4th game - Sept 14 Man Utd v QPR - Herrera played after his injury
5th game - Sept 21 Leicester v Man Utd - Herrera played
6th game - Sept 27 Man Utd v West Ham - Herrera played
7th game - Oct 5 Man Utd v Everton - Herrera dropped
8th game - Oct 20 WBA v Man Utd - Herrera played

Your lies have been busted, right?
We can now see that he got dropped and LVG made a public statement about why he dropped him.

Your lies have no rival.

The reality is the board gave Mourinho the power and backed him to bring the players he wanted but [b]Kante was never in his plan not until he saw the imminent Chelsea deal with Kante.[\b] That's who Mourinho is. The same man hijacked Willian from Spurs at the last minute. Same with Mikel and Pedro but his skimming sneatky move was too late with Kante..

That's a total nonsense from you there. William wasn't in his plan and he went ahead and play him very well that season. You definitely don't know what you are typing.

Diademk07:
Lol!

You don dey mad! Where was Adritz that season?

Adritz had 16 goals and 8-9 assists that season. Suseata had 6 goals and 12 assists that season but your beloved Herrera could only managed 5 assists in how many starts?

Goan sleep!

You are a complete lunatic. And you call yourself a football fan with what you typed up there. That shows you know nothing about football.

Like I said earlier that it is the quality of the striker that determines the number of assists a number 10 gets which also depends on the way a team is set up to play.

Read carefully and make sure you comprehend my explanation because your thinking is always a one-way traffic and your deductive reasoning is so poor.

In 2011/12 season, Antonio Valencia had the hihghest assists for Man Utd with 13 and 4 goals. Nani also had 10 assists with 8 goals. I hope you understand this. If you don't take your time and read several time.

Now, did the two played as our number 10? Who played behind our striker in that season and how many assists did that player had then? I can give you a whole lot of instances like that.

I'm expecting answers to those question. I don't want your usual rhetorics.

Once again, you know nothing about football

Diademk07:
Lol!

All this bullshit of yours doesn't negate the fact that Kante was available for the whole months after Arsenal already snubbed him and he was even preparing to stay at Leicester not until Conte resumed work at Chelsea and informed his employer. And that Chelsea deal was alreday in process before Mourinho made his sneaky call to hijack the deal like he did with Mikel, Pedro, Essien etc.

You were probably under the rock when all these were happening.

That said, Van gaal severally stated that he wanted a pacey and energetic midfielder in his midfield. He kept on hammering on it everytime we finished a match and that should tell you his intent. He was even the one interested in Renato and vetoed the move all by himself and subsequently, we were strongly linked with Kante. That should tell you what he wanted in his team.

As for Herrera. I already told you several time that there's no way Van Gaal would have signed Herrera while he was still the Holland coach, preparing for the worldcup. He even told us he has no business with United until he's finished the worldcup saga. So why would he have signed Herrera when he was still Holland's coach? Considering the fact the same Moyes asked Ballague? one spanish pundit on what kind of player Herrera is and that should tell you it wasn't Moyes' decision either but the board's decision.

Another fact is all Van gaal's signings went into the first team except Shaw and Herrera. That should tell you his motive..

Stop all these trash. Bring me your proofs that:

1. That Herrera's deal was almost done before Moyes was sacked. For now, I'll rather believe what Herrera said.

2. That your god LVG was actually interested in Kante. How can the board not be interested in a player that LVG and Mourinho wanted?

Herrera didn't go straight into his team or he got dropped the same way Scheinderlin and Memphis got dropped. Maybe he didn't sign the two as well.

Diademk07:
If you truly watched our match like you want us to believe, you would note that Fellaini was even more adventurous than Herrera under Van gaal and the fact that no one stopped Carrick from playmaking even when he was an holding midfielder!

Herrera is no box-box nor a no 10. A player who had 5 assists in a no 10 role in his last season at Bilbao!

And Stop quoting me with your crayon nonsense!

See olodo.

The number of assists a number ten has depends on the quality of striker you have in your team. So far this season, we've had about 106 or thereabout chances created but how many goals do we have to show for it?

Diademk07:
What exactly are you saying? He's can't be a no 10 for us because he's visionless! As simple as abc!

And he's not shown one quarter of the converted Mikel's best performance in the DM role. So what exactly are you talking about?

We all know Kagawa's best position is the no 10 or the attacking central midfield position but due to Rode poor performance and Guerrerro's injury, he's been forced to play in a central 2-man midfield and he's looked decent in the role but at least, he has a position he excelled in, unlike a certain Herrera.

Lol!

There can't be two best position for him. Which school did you attend?

When it comes to your favourite players, it's excuses upon excuses. These same excuses goes for Herrera.

He excelled in the position and he was sold off by your god. He couldn't stamp his authority under three different coaches at Man Utd and you call that "excelled"?

Diademk07:
Because Mane is a midfielder which Van gaal kept emphasising on? You don craze is swear! Why then did he deploy Lingard as a box-box CM vs city?

You're the crazy one here because if you are not you won't be asking that question when you know that's one of the qualities of your god LVG. Was he not the same person who played the same Lingard as a number 10, Young as a striker and I think Mata as a winger? You are totally a confused man.
LVG looking for pace in the midfield with his slow process possession football with more of backward passes, backpasses and square passes with little penetration. You definitely don't know what you are talking about.

That said, how can you compare Herrera's situation to that of Kante. One had his signing almost completed under Moyes except for few paper undone compared that to Kante whom the board didn't even make any interest the moment Van gaal was sacked and Mourinho came in.

There can be only a difference because of your continuous effort to say he wasn't your god's signing even after the player himself said otherwise. Show me proofs that Herrera's signing was done except for few papers.

Can you just read what you typed? The board didn't make any interest in Kante the moment LVG was sacked! And Mourinho still approached the same player? So it's the board that'll tell the coach the player to buy even if he doesn't want the player. You must be an insider to know all these?

And let me remind you that as soon as Mourinho was hired, he constantly stated that he only had 4 key signings to make, of which he already told the board. Why should they bother about Van gaal's interested signings when we have a new coach at the helm and he wanted something else. It's not like we had almost completed his signing like we did with Herrera.

This guy don craze patapata.

If Mourinho wanted something else, why then did he still approach Kante? Or are you saying Mourinho was after Kante and Pogba at the same time?

I'm waiting for your proof(s) that Herrera's deal was almost done by Moyes.

The other things you typed are just craps as usual.

Diademk07:
Kante is a box-box CM. That's his best role but do Herrera have any?

Let me point to you that Scholes, Pirlo et al all had a role they mastered quite well regardless of where their coach utilise them. Herrera on the other hand has none which is why he has 'the Jack of all trade' crown!

He has performed well in the no 10 where he came from but your god LVG failed to see that and also saw nothing good in him. Presently where he's being deployed he's performing his duty. He has only been played in two different midfield positions where he's performed well so far. If you see that as being a jack of all trade the Scholes and Pirlo are jacks of all trade too.

Also, how many positions has your Kagawa played at Dortmund? He too must be jack of all trade.

Diademk07:
http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/manchester-united-plot-30million-transfer-raid-on-leicester-city-for-ngolo-kante-5852256/

This was as at April 2016. I'm wondering where you put your ear when Van gaal kept talking about the need for pace in the midfield. He even deploy Lingard as a box-box CM multiple time to emphasise his point. It was even the need for pace that got us interested in Renato Sanches until Van gaal vetoed the move.

I'm also wondering where your reasoning was in other for you to know that the pace LVG was talking about was about Mane and not Kante. You went and brought a rumour that was said all because we wanted to play them. Come to think of it, let's agree that LVG has interest in him (which wasn't so), where then do we leave the fact that has been said by Kante himself that Mourinho actually spoke to him about coming to Man Utd? If LVG was really interested in him and has actually told the board about his interest in him, then there's no way he would've gone to Chelsea unless the guy actually didn't want to come. Example is Herrera's case before he was signed.

This definitely shows that that news isn't correct.

And I repeat there's no way for a consistent one man midfield machine as Kante would have underperformed under Van gaal. Bastian never did in his prime under Van gaal. So what are you talking about? The fact that your Herrera is full of shite and stunk the whole place with his shite doesn't mean Kante is an average player as Herrera is.

Why was he then underperforming under Conte's 4-1-4-1? Kante cannot and will not do a midfielder's job all alone without assistance from a good midfielder.

Diademk07:
The difference is Kante was never a DM to begin with and everyone was questioning Conte intent on playing him in the role however people like you were creaming their pant over Herrera's new role seeing that he's been useless everywhere else, even in his natural role, of which we still don't know BTW. Hence, the difference.

Meaning that Kante needs someone good to play beside him before he himself can function well in his natural position. Same also applies to Herrera. He can't be playing with your useless Fellaini and that lazy jogging Pogba and still expect to see the midfield play very well as a whole. You talk as if Kante alone can do the whole midfield work all alone without good midfield partners.

Everywhere else? Has he played as a defender, striker or as a goalkeeper before? This is another lie.

Lest i forget, if you call Herrera a jack of all trade because if the two positions he has played in, the players such as Scholes, Pirlo and some other players who have done same are also jack of all trade.

elrony:
Take small small dey exaggerate things na, wetin Drinkwater and Co dey do for the midfield, sleeping?

Not taking anything from kante tho.

Don't mind him. When I said it that the guy was the one responsible for Leicester's good defence last season, he was here telling us how good Huth and Morgan were. He's now double speaking from both sides of his mouth.

Diademk07:
It was in the news that Van gaal wanted Kante and the reason he stopped our interest in Renato Sanches until Mourinho came in and was all lovey dovey over Pogba.

Which news? LVG was never interested in Kante. Even if he had bought Kante, what guarantee do we have that the guy will perform under him?

Diademk07:
Where was Herrera when Chelsea scored the 3rd and 4th goal? His positioning was awful which isn't his fault as he's no DM but where are the people that were wetting their pant over his new role? Also, he offered nothing creative in the role.

So, it's Herrera's fault for those goals. Where was Kante when Arsenal & Liverpool beat Chelsea? Whatever answer you've given to exonerate Kante is the same reason for Herrera.

The truth is Herrera is a jack of all trade, master of none, running around like headless chicken isn't the be all. Yesterday, he would run with the ball only to pass back or sideways when he could have made the ball do the talking and travel the long distance if he had a little creativity in his arsenal. Not to mention that he tends to wander around from his position and was nowhere to be found at the time Chelsea piled up the pressure!

Another lie ladden with so much hatred from the master hater.

He had 47 forward passes yesterday. So you saying he was passing backwards and sideways as if those passes were more than his forward passes is a lie.

I could remember when someone posted Fellaini's passes stats in one match where his backward and square passes were more that his forward passes, you kept quiet. Why didn't you also criticize him? Since yesterday now i've not seen anywhere you critisize both Blind and Fellaini's bad performances.
Creativity! At least he created two chances and was attempt some shots.

Continue wallowing in your hatred for him. It's your choice.

Elxandre:
What if Kante and/or Mane got worse?

Wasn't Schneiderlin a top EPL player before he signed him?

I don't want to start listing players we thought were good enough Before they got signed.

You should've also asked him if LVG told him he was interested in Kante.

elrony:
Nope, he really has a point, Herrera might not be world class as you want buh pairing him alongside Carrick with a top form Mata as 10 will offer far much better than ,with a certain Fellaini and Pogba as 10.

Don't mind him. His hatred for the guy will not let see any good in the guy.

Diademk07:
You and this your Herrera sha.. You keep forgetting that everyone was awful yesterday apart from Valencia..

What was Herrera's fault yesterday?

You were exonerating Blind from the first goal when it was clear that by him keeping Pedro on, he puts uneccesary pressure on the remaining defender. Chelsea mostly used the left back as our weak link but you didn't see anything wrong with him.

Was Herrera the one that told Blind to be making school boys mistakes or was he the one who told Ibra not to equalize, or was he the one that told Mata to lose Hazard?

Mourinho needs to be bold enough to bench Pogba and IBRA. Yesterday's match shows that Pogba can't play in no 10. I can't just imagine a number 10 that couldn't create one chance in that match but was jogging lazily about the pitch throughout the match. That position should be left to Mata/Micki.

Ibra is now costing us from the front. Chances being created are being wasted by him. Rashford should be used as a striker or be put on the bench instead of turning him into something else. He needs to sharpen his striking skills in the striker position and not as a winger.

Carrick needs to come into that midfield to play with Herrera and Mata/Micki. Martial should be played regularly when he's fit on the left wing.

AdisaOwala:
Rooney's pursuit had nothing to do with it - it was one of his conservative tactics against the top sides away from home.

And for the records, I never implied that the absence of a CF was a major factor to look out for if Mourihno decides to park the bus. The point is that the matches vs the top sides (away from home) which he decided to deploy that particular strategy, he was definitely parking the bus.



Against Spurs last season (away), he didn't play with a CF (Diego Costa sat on the bench for 90 mins) - i remember that match...

Yes, I think there was some kinda beef between the two (Diego Costa angrily threw a bib on the floor or something) and the Spaniard was on the bench again vs Bournemouth in the next game but you know the difference? He came on as a substitute early in the 2nd half.



It was a drab performance from both sides but it was pretty clear that Mourihno was the happier manager - his selection and substitutions during that particular game is a testament to that effect.

Good that you explained the reason for those matches. Yeah, they had a kind of beef when Chelsea played away to Maccabi Tel Aviv during the week in UCL. Also, Costa was not performing during that period which made Mourinho comment after that Tottenham match that Costa was even luvky to not have benched before then

I still believe that not playing a striker against us was to prove a point in pursuit of Rooney. I don't think he does that during SAF's era when he had a better h2h. Why then will he do that with Moyes?

AdisaOwala:
Lmao...

Prior to that game, he started Torres vs (Hull) and Ba in the next game (vs Aston Villa).

His pursuit of Rooney had nothing to do with his decision to be typically defensive against potential title rivals away from home.

Lol!

If pursuit of Rooney has nothing to do with his decision not to play a striker in that match, then kindly tell me any other match he played that season without a striker. Also, tell me any match in which he didn't play a striker till he was sacked at Chelsea.

Those stats are kinda redudant cos i remember that Moyes was even criticized for the team's cautious approach that day - this even makes it worse as Mourihno literarily parked the bus against a team that was managed by a timid rookie who was also afraid of losing.

Redundant? How? Moyes was cautious meaning he wasn't attacking while Mourinho was parking the bus at the same time with a team that wasn't really attacking? How did a rookie who was afraid to lose then attacked to make Mourinho park the bus. Also remember that he has a very good h2h against Man Utd. Lol! I give up on this.

AdisaOwala:
Aha....

Mourihno had two centre-fowards on the bench and i think Demba Ba was a chelsea player at the time, yet he decided to start the game "Strikerless"

Torres came on...same way Azpilicueta & Mikel came on for Hazard and Schurlle respectively and you say he no park bus?

I don't believe he parked the bus. That's the time he was trying to sign Rooney. I believe he used that to prove that he didn't have confidence in the strikers he had.

That's the stats of the match. How can he park the bus with those stats? Can we equally say Pep parked the bus yesterday because he didn't play a known striker?

eph12:
Sacked ke. Who will come in? Of course he is not going anywhere for now. I really wish to see him succeed at United if not for anything but for the glory of United.

Exactly why we need to be patient and give him a chance for at least a season.

eph12:
It that lackadaisical or disjointed performance that's causing me to worry. I don't understand how people analyse matches here. Sometimes I am just surprised that people are comfortable with how we play. We could have just left LVG if this was what we wanted. And nobody should tell me anything about new manager. We can't spend that much and still be praying for the player to adjust or fit in. Am just wondering what would have been our reactions if that Can or Coutinho ball went in. As in I don't understand when LFC became Barcelona or bayern o. That means if we wan play arsenal we go hmmm

Nobody is saying we shouldn't be worried about all the mistakes we're making. We still have to give the manager a chance or do you want him to be sacked right now?

AdisaOwala:
I still dunno why you are always too quick to defend Mourihno untop this Bus-parking tactic when it's a Strategy that would always be synonymous with him.

Instead of the Examples you gave, i'd rather go with these Chelsea Games under Mourihno (during his second spell at the club)....

Vs Man Utd (at Oldtrafford that ended 0-0 in the 2013/14 season under Moyes). I remember Chelsea started that game with no recognized Striker yet Costa or Eto (cant really remember) were on the bench.

Vs Liverpool at Anfield (the Match wey Gerard's mistake cost him a PL title).

Mourihno made a defensive sub against 10 man Psg and Chelsea were still knocked out of the CL in that match

He didn't have any of the two in his team then. He bought Etoo close to the shut of the transfer window while Costa was bought the following season.

However, he had Lukaku and Torres whom he brought on in 60mins. I don't think you can say he parked the bus in that game.

[quote author=Lana1 post=50365049][/quote]I am not a Mourinho fan but you are wrong by saying we parked-the-bus against Watford and Feyenoord.

These are stats to put everything in proper perspective.

Away to Watford

40% possession 60%

10. Shots 15

5 On target 2

5 Corners 7

Away to Feyenoord

43 Possession 57

8 Shots 18

3 On Target 4

4 Corners 4

Now tell me how we're parking the bus.
If we are losing or drawing matches because we are not being clinical enough olin front of goal or making defensive mistake, it is quite different.

elampiro:

The match was even until Barcelona scored. In 2009 final, United dominated the opening minutes until Etoo dribbled Vidic for the opening goal, and it became one sided.

If you cannot punish Barca when you have the upper hand, then forget it. City forward players didn't appear to have a scoring sense. They needed to have played a real striker.

City were making useless short passes in their own third even when Barca pressed them for the ball.

I am tempted to ask, did Guardiola make Barca or Barca made Guardiola?

Did you see Messi's first goal where all the defenders switched off and ball-watçhing when Messi pushed the ball a little bit too far before running to hit the ball to score? Were they shifting responsibity?

donjazet:
Well if you say so. Fine. But pep is still untested.

People are really not addressing the real issue. They are really trying very hard to justify Pep's tactical blunder in tonight's game. If it were JM that did what pep did tonight, they would've spammed this section with story that he went to park the bus.

Pep went to Camp Nou to face a Barca team that has one of the best front three in football and didn't deem it fit to play a recognize striker or his best striker. A place he knows that chances will be hard to come by for that matter. To me, that's a tactical blunder. And nobody is really saying anything about that!

I'm quite sure that if he had started Aguero who is one of the best striker in the world today, some of the chances they created would've been converted.

KDB that he used as a false 9 was crossing the ball out for an invisible striker. He gave Man City no chance right from the beginning of the match.

martineinstein:
the table toppers,na

Lol! I didn't know the 2016/17 season has ended for them to be England's best.

martineinstein:
mtchew.....ur hatred for prep is making u like ur former enemy,barca.......imagine england best is being disgraced...and they say epl is d best.

And who is England's best?

SIRcumalot:
For me barca attack is too good for you to play them in a open manner.
They won't play to their best and you go lose by 3.
Park your bus and watch MSN go to work.
Na then you go see football.

Most especially with that Omo na bouncing (Messi). He'll always find a way to find that goal. He'll always stubbornly want to penetrate where others won't.

MrLouisVanGaal:
Pep is good but he took Bayern Munich backwards since Jupp and is doing same with City in the Champions League. Attack wins you matches but defense wins you leagues. This is what is going for Mourinho and that's why most people here were crying over our bus packing at Anfield i laughed. Always learn to respect the better team and settle for a draw and play your life in the next leg. No baldiola Wan play barca style when we know Messi made him look like the best ever.

Just like JM went to Anfield knowing fully well that Liverpool's game is fast paced. He decided to set his team to play an open game in the first half and play a more defensive game in the second half to get a result. Some opposition fans started saying he's packing the bus.

One even went further by spamming the sport section with Man Utd having 34% possession for the first time in ages forgetting that it's results that matters, not possession. Last season when we were having so much possession, where did it get us?

I could also remember three seasons ago on Real Madrid's way to win the UCL when Carlotti was their coach(if I'm not mistaken). They went to Bayern and surrendered possession to Bayern and beat them by 4 nil with only 31% to Bayern's 69%. Nobody said Carlotti packed the bus. Today who remembers such possession stats? But we'll forever remember the result and the eventual cup won by Real Madrid.

As far as I'm concerned, it's superioty of coach's tactics that matters so far it brings result. Different tactics for different games.

sinizia:
Results are the most important thing in football no doubt, and titles are the ultimate deciders at the end of one's coaching or playing career; but I'm someone that praises a player or coach when he's doing something right irrespective of what transpires at the end.


I've watched the previous 4 meetings of Barca-City, and before Bravo's madness, this has been City's best display for me. I expected the usual annihilation of City but they proved me wrong. It's not surprising that Guardiola refused to renege on his principle of attacking football. Individual errors might have spoiled their plans this night, and I don't know if City will become great under Pep or not; but one thing I know is that Pep is coach with a vision and tactics like no other presently. And if he happens to get things right at City, I'm afraid of what UnitesUnited vs City's encounters will be.

Pep going to play tikitaka with Barca at Camp Nou is always a suicude. No matter how good played today, they'll always make errors. Barca's kind of tikitaka always thrive on these little little errors and they have a front-three that'll always punish teams for such errors. Can you compare that to Man City's? It's not as if Barca also won't make errors as well but who are those strikers that'll punish such when he played without Aguero/Nacho who can punish them for theirs most especially after their two of their back four was out.