₦airaland Forum

JustGood:
you struggle only because you are devoid of logic.
if you're not a bumbling buf****, you wont insult soomeone and turn round to say you want to avoid conflict

Yeah, that was foolish of me and i apologize for that.

JustGood:
why am I not suprised that you struggle to understand how how an unqualified man can be made a manager? maybe because I see that you seem to always want to support the position of the white man

i struggle because, unlike you, i employ logic in my thought processes.
Please, this topic has so far been free from conflict. don't bring over any beef here, it's unwanted.

i struggle to understand how a 'territorial manager' will have no qualifications, Nigeria or not. no multinational will EVER hire an unqualified person to such a critical job just on the basis of his skin color.

funloving, see if you understand this any better than i can.

ziddy:
so he has become an intellectual because he agrees with what you said. Our own Bigb1 the IBB apologist.

99% of the discussions in Nairaland end up in arguments and no-one learns anything. Everyone here is to be congratulated on their maturity!

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Nigeria is a BBC appologies to Fela Big Blind Country. Okonjo Iweala and Co were paid in dollars and Nigerians went to court to challange that practice, but its acceptable for a non Nigerian to be paid in dollars and Nigerians in Naira. Mental slavery- applogies to Bob Marley.

You would be shocked to find out what is in the jont venture agreement between Nigeria and big oil companies. Some say its 60% for Nigeria and 40% for oil companies.

Nigerians suffer for lack of Information. How many Nigerians went to court to challenge the wages pai to Okonjo Iweala and co? Was it not only Gani and a handful of others? What happend to the case? How much furore was raised here on Nairaland, a place supposed to be a gathering point of Nigerian Intellectuals?

The biggest JV (joint Venture) operating in Nigeria is that between NNPC, Shell, Elf and Agip. Shell is the operator, with the NNPC as the majority stakeholder.
When the oil is extracted, 80% is immediately taken off as tax. It's the remaining 20% that is then shared in that ratio of 60% to the NNPC, 40% to the oil companies.
Misinformation like that you just provided is the main cause of the Niger Delta crisis, because people point fingers at the wrong people.
Currently, at an assumed oil price of $60 a barrel, the Nigerian Government gets about 57% while the second largest stakehlder (Shell) takes only $2 as profit. Please ask industry leaders if you doubt this.


@funloving
[b]The analogy you gave represents a minority, contrary to your thinking, but it happens nonetheless. and it's for a far less sinister reason than you think.
A gu brought from the US already earns far far more than his Nigerian counterpart when the money is converted to Naira. The average fresh medical doctor in the Uk should take home at least 2000 pounds monthly. which fresh Nigerian doctor earns the equivalent N500,000? in fact, which fresh naija doctor earns up to N130,000 monthly?
When this british doctor is made to come to Naija, added benefits and incentives may shoot his salary up to 4000 pounds. Will the naija doctor be right to demand for N1m monthly salary?
Sadly, that's the scenario you paint in your analogy.
that's why it's termed jealousy. The Driller was fully satisfied with his wages before the expat came. Did the advent of the white man reduce his standard of living? Don't forget that it's easier for a naija man earning N300k a month to 'live large' than a Briton earning 2000 pounds (N500k equivalent) to live large in the UK.[/b]

the expatriate allowances are paid as an add on to what you were already earning, so a Naija guy getting sent to the US will not expect to earn significantly more than his American counterparts who were already earning way more than him in Naira terms.

@ritchboi
You just dialled 1-800-Asswhupping, and that ain't no toll-free call, man! When i see you, you kiss da dust in PES6.

hmm. . . your halo 2, is that the PC version or the xbox original?

@Big B1
It has been long since i've enjoyed a reasonable discourse with soneone of your intellect. I am honoured!

@BigB1

I appreciate the fact that you've tried to keep this discussion as logical as possible, so i'll try for a reasonable and logical explanation.

just like the original poster, i am in the Oil industry. And yes, many people feel the same way like he does.

now, let's examine the situation. You have a need for 2 Petroleum Engineers of a suitable experience level in a multinational company. One slot is occupied by a Nigerian. the other slot is vacant and needs to be filled. of course, the sole Nigerian cannot do the two jobs. HR does internal sourcing and finds out that the only Nigerians that have that experience level are tied up in other similarly demanding jobs.
Now let's say the Nigerian guy earns N600k per month, and his counterpart earns $6000 in the US (higher due to higher task rates and industry comaprison). Now it is decided to bring the US white guy over to Nigeria.
Remember he's married and has a family, so he has to be compensated for the relocation. he's going to a new place with a new culture, so he needs some form of incentive for the move. all this is built into his salary along with his security allowances. this boosts his salary from $6000 to $11000 monthly.

Now he resumes in Nigeria and the Naija guy sees the guy doing the same job as he's doing, but earning more than twice his pay. this brings up the emotions i described before

1. Jealousy

jealousy because prior to the coming of the expatriate, he was perfectly content with his salary. Now he benchmarks with the expat, forgetting that he should actually be benchmarking against the industry standard.

2. Foolishness

because the malcontented fellow goes home to sleep with his wife and play with his family. He visits his village often and never even thinks of what the other guy left behind.


Look, i'm a Nigerian and i work in a multinational. I get paid extra when i go overseas, i get paid bonuses if i move from lagos to PH or Warri. that happens in ALL oil companies. it is mischievous of the poster not to take this into consideration.

His post then descends into illogicality when he blabs about expats staying in hotels and estates on the Island. Look, these guys need special security in Naija, and a major part of their decision to come down to Naija is that their security is well catered for. What do you want, for him to move into a busy one-bedroom flat in Yaba? My friend was robbed in a holdup in lagos last week, and she's a Nigerian. How much more will an expat be targeted for such attacks?

My scenario painted above does not even fully capture the siuation in Nigeria, where the majority of the expats there are SMEs (subject matter experts) that have great amount of experience. The fact that they're doing the same job now doesn't mean they don't have some latent skills that can come into action when needed.


Finally, most multi-nationals frequently bring in expats to further theri development and increase competence. With the addition of the attendant bonuses, they'll definitely earn more than a Nigerian that is even higher in the company. The key is to understand why the pay is higher,a nd to curb jealousy.

is Hitler a hero?

Yeah. i'm sorry for my part in the digression.

Okay, rhetoric aside, let's approach this issue with common sense.
How will you justify bringing a man a continent away frm his family to work in a different country, on ein which he is bound to face different challenges, yet you expect him to earn the same as the local hire?
Why pay an american or Briton in Naira? Is he not far more likely to invest the cash in Dollars or Euros in his own country's stock market, etc?
In most cases, these expatriates brought in are more experienced than the local hires. many others are simply more trustd to handle some jobs. I don't see how Dangote Sugar will open up a branch in Uganda and Aliko will not send one of his relations to oversee the operations.


This whole issue smacks of jealousy and reverse racism. if not, how mny of you raised an outcry when Okonjo-iweala was being paid in dollars far, far more than her Nigerian counterparts. Where were your dissenting voices then? The reason the Naija govt gave then was the dollar pay was to compensate her for the sacrifice she made.

yet you feel an expat who leaves his own land to go to a new culture to work should not be well rewarded. Pity

@ritchboi
I don't give a rat's arse about DOA or Soul Calibur. I Rule in Pro Evo Soccer 6, and i was shocked that you proclaimed yourself champion without tasting my fury!

DO NOT CHALLENGE DAKMANZERO TO ANY SHOOTING GAME, he has teh L33t skillz and he provides constant pwnage!

gbade.x has since gone into hiding . . .

@theffanyi
So we talk too much, abi?
ok, here's a one-line solution to all your problems

'The Answer Lies in Prayer'!

Yeah, msconfi is pretty good for removing startup items that slow the pc down.

i'd advise you to remove Norton antivirus immediately. It can slow a less capable system down.

Install Avira AntiVir Personal Edition. It's free and it's better than Norton antivirus (as rated by PC Magazine). better still, it takes up little system resources

the words 'Sony VAIO' and 'Cheap Price' are mutually exclusive. they cannot co-exist!

@McKren
none of Mobil, Shell, Chevron, Total, Agip or Addax are owned by the American Government. So what exactly do you mean by

or what is their largest investment in Nigeria? oil installations to extract just crude and send to America?

Your 'pseudo-americans' comment just gave you away as one of the rabid haters here. Not everyone in Nigeria is truly anti-american.

It's a pity all these conspiracy theorists have latched onto this 'America fears China's Rise' stuff and relegate logic to the back seat.

I see no reason why this alert is viewed with suspicion. Even in the US, regular alerts are issued when threats are sensed. A quick look at the furore that followed the revelation that the CIA and FBi could possibly have prevented 9/11 if they had focused less on internal squabbling and more on co-operation. so now, each threat is taken seriously.

Those who say the US have no assets in Naija that's at risk have obviously forgotten the US embassy bombings in Kenya and Uganda (or is it Namibia?) in 1998.

As for those hailing the rise of Chinese interest in Africa, i pity them for their short-sightedness. All too soon we forget the human rights abuses perpetrated by the Chinese in Africa and Nigeria. At least we can predict the Americans, the Chinese are essentially a terrible group of people. lest y'all forget, the Chinese are the sole party responsible for the UN's inaction over the Darfur issue. Due to the fact that they've signed lucrative deals with the Sudanese Government, they frequently veto any bill that's aimed at sanctioning the Sudanese Govermnment.


@McKren
All the oil deals with China involve selling our oil blocs to a foreign government (represented by the China National Oil COmpany ). At least the 'Western Multinationals' are not government owned, and are here on a lease/contract basis.  Keep trumpeting our Government's regrettable decision to sell us to the Chinese.

well, if you can hold off buying the fone for a bit, the price is sure to come down. . .

Check out
http://afritecng.com

I didcovered this 'gem' of a site when i was tryin gto find a decent ISp in PH. This site shocked me to my marrow.

Worst part of it? They actualy have a 'Web Design' section on the website where they helpfully offer to design your site tailored to your needs.

No Thanks!

U must be a joker. phones are much cheaper in nigeria than in the UK, and it's being sold for way under the price at 75k in naija. I dunno how they do this (much like a $600 PS3 being sold for 60K) but these otigba and alaba guys have their sources.

you do know, don't you, that the cheap prices you see on UK phones don't mean jack, since the fones must be bought at that price along with a contract? Don't just see an N95 for 99 pounds and start thinking that's all you pay.

apple yesterday announced new versions of their flagship Ipod media players

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/05/steve-jobs-live-apples-the-beat-goes-on-special-event/


I want an iPod touch!! selling my ipod today

Why generalize and say ALL? Do you know all the Nairalanders in Diaspora?

perhaps it didnt cross you mind, but a less sinister explanation is that they have (on average) a generally faster, more stable internet connection than the average naija based dude whose internet time comes in cafes or at work.

Just a thought. . .

akumbu:
lie lie, I can't marry someone that earns lower than me the woman.
how is he going to provide for the family? abi na my Money he go depend on?
Infact, I intend to stop working as soon as i marry and my husband will take care of me. that's why i am the woman.

That's why women will remain an underappreciated lot!
Earning more than your husband doesn't mean he has to depend on you. in fact, it shoul dmean you have to depend on him less for thngs you want.

personally, i have no qualms if my wife earns more than i do. That'll leave up some of my cash for my usually impulsive buying sprees. YaY!

Seriously, it makes no difference. I dunno why educated people still keep up that myth of husbands washing their wives' undies (perhaps it comes from reading too many copies of Hints magazine?)

sojioguns:
I think the mistake I made was shipping through DHL. I didnt just carry it s hand luggage. So I had to pay the duties.

yeah, i carried mine in as my second luggage. no customs!

Jerry,
Yes, it may be a mercury board, but the Processor in the board is a VIA Samuel, a pale shadow of the Pentium 3.
It cannot run any modern game at all, and it'll even struggle with higher resolutions of oldies like Unreal Tournament.

Even a 3D graphics card won't save you.
But seriously, you're way way due for an upgrade.