₦airaland Forum

vayne:
Look at this mumu,so why did you guyz want to bring down NL upon hearing of the arrest of a freedom fighter that is flying in and out of the country at will?

Do you see boko haram leader moving about freely?

Just do the normal honorable thing and buy your own 1litre of otapiapia and drink,instead of loud mouthing over the internet because a freedom fight was arrested.

"1 litre of otapiapia"
Wow
Any one closeby when he's drinking it will probably also die

vayne:
Look at this mumu,so why did you guyz want to bring down NL upon hearing of the arrest of a freedom fighter that is flying in and out of the country at will?

Do you see boko haram leader moving about freely?

Just do the normal honorable thing and buy your own 1litre of otapiapia and drink,instead of loud mouthing over the internet because a freedom fight was arrested.

"1 litre of otapiapia"
Do you want him to also kill his relatives

MrMbaM:
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Trash

Ok

Shymm3x:
You're just too emotional for ya own good.

The real black man doesn't just talk the talk - he walks the walk. However, the only reason why he hasn't achieved much is cos of emotional folks like you and the coons, Uncle Toms, and Auntie Tomasinas.

When it's time to march/fight - the real black man takes charge. He's never scared. You can go back in time and check.

I don't do emotions
I don't have it in me to be emotional
Simply put my emotions are DEAD
I only work with logic and reasoning
Emotions are useless because they ultimately achieve nothing
They rather impede your sense of logical reasoning and make you not see situations in their true form
They are borne out of sentimental attachments rather than sound judgement
Your creator placed a compass in you to guide you to make proper judgement and that is your consience and your ability to logically reason
This is the only way you can know and do what is right
Anything devoid of this will make you constantly run into problems

The so called blackman has it in him to be at the forefront of development and civilisation
But presently he is not ready to do what is required for him to achieve this

MrMbaM:



Rubbish.

Your welcome

MrMbaM:
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Trash.

Good for you

Shymm3x:
The real black man neither fears nor is he afraid to die. Heck, he'll give his life for a cause that's worth it - so generations after him would be better off. Yes, he has been enslaved both physically and mentally, cheated, persecuted, and ridiculed - but he knows timing is everything.

Also, the only reason why these folks refer to the black man as a monkey is cos of the emotional/suicidal ones and the ones who love being slaves to white men. Trust me, when these folks meet a real black man - the warrior who speaks with authority and will die for a just cause with an end result - they tremble in fear. An emotional man will always be the first to die in a battle. Ever heard about the fear of the real black man?

I need to give you excerpts from Che Guevara's letter from Congo to Fidel Castro - you can make whatever you want to make out of it:

- In my previous letters, I asked to be sent not many people but cadres; there is no real lack of arms here (except for special weapons) - indeed there are too many armed men; what is lacking are soldiers.

- It's not good men but supermen that are needed...

- you've got to create a fighting spirit and look for soldiers with the torch of Diogenes and the patience of Job - a task that becomes more difficult, the more shits there are doing things along the way.

There is a saying
"Put your money where your mouth is"
The so called blackman has been "talking the talk"
He has not been "walking the walk"
Till then
He will keep being in the mess he is
No one will ever take him seriously
He's presents state of myopic short sightedness and mental laziness will always make him to look for shortcuts such as miracles and imaginary wishes that can just clear his problems with the wave of a hand
He presently doesn't want to think-of and act-on solutions that can remove him from his bad situation and set him on a path where he is in control of his destiny
When you have no control over your destiny
You are a slave
A man is a man
There is no super man
You are either man enough to get the job done
Or you are not
You don't create fighting spirit
You either have it
Or you don't

For the blackman to save himself (no one will save him) from his present path of backwardness
He has to first tackle 2 major issues putting him in his current state
And they are
Lack of shame
And lack of honor

MrMbaM:
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You quote me and still spewing trash on how i should look for who is making sense, must you quote me? Little man, shift one side and stop pouring me spit. You boring... Mschew

"You boring"
Simple
Go to other people you think are not "boring"

Shymm3x:
Okay, black man.

Just know a black man that dies for nothing is more or less a monkey.

A real black man will never die for nothing.

The so called "real" blackman's fear of dying is the reason they will keep being cheated, persecuted, enslaved and ridiculed
Until they overcome this so called fear
They will never achieve their full potential and will never be in control of their own advancement and development

Hope you know that in places around the world some people refer to the so called black man as a "monkey" already
So he doesn't need to "die for nothing" before some people will see him that way

Abagworo:
http://thenationonlineng.net/uwazuruike-disowns-radio-biafra-boss/

He works for the Nigerian govt
So he has no choice

MrMbaM:
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You are not making sense little man, your threat and noise end on nairaland. Simple

There's no need for back and fort between me and you
If you feel I am not making sense to you
Then what is the point of our discussion
Just simply look for those that make sense to you and discuss with them

Stop stressing yourself drawing lines on my post cause it's useless

Shymm3x:
My use of "South South" is within the Nigerian geographical quagmire as a pseudonym for the non-Igbo groups that were part of old Eastern region. Obviously, I know the term "South South" doesn't exist in geography and you need to read my post clearly to understand the context in which I used the term.

Anyway, I would say whatever path you lot choose you achieve ya Biafran dream isn't my business. I'm just fascinated by the revolutionary idea behind it, and the humanity in me is just telling to speak on it, cos the whole thing looks like a suicide mission. You just can't like folks who look like you self-destruct, with the hopes of millions. Hence I had to dig deep into mental archives and try to posit certain things I read in the past about great revolutionaries. You know, a few years ago, from my late teens to like age 22 - when I was deep into black power and black consciousness - I had read books and watched documentaries about great revolutionaries like: Lenin, Karl Marx, Chairman Mao, MLK, Malcolm X, Noble Drew Ali, Fard Muhammad, Marcus Garvey, Sankara, Lumumba, Black Panther Party, Steve Biko, and Che Guevara. One story that struck me and I'll always use as a talking point (the story that moved me away from that path - though I'll always have a revolutionary mindset) was Che Guevara's adventure in Congo Kinshasa. And I think I explained what happened to him to you and FrankAba1 yesterday and, I used it to buttress my point.

I think before you lot embark on this adventure, all IPOB leaders need to read about all these revolutionaries and study them. Then pick up Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" and study that as well. Emotions won't get you victory especially when you're going against a bigger/larger opponent - patience will.

The IPOB have done their homework
They are prepared for their struggle (evidence being every thing they said will happen has happened)
If you are not related to their struggle don't worry about them
Worry more about the struggle of your own people
The success of the ipob movement is what placed them presently as the front runner for the biafran struggle (there are still other movements)
The biafrans know themselves (irrespective of different nigerian concuctions) and have decided to use the ipob formatt
So far so good
It is working
So don't worry about them
Let them worry about themselves

MrMbaM:
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You are only making noise and splashing smelly spit, all your noise ends on nairaland. Sorry

Like I said
Your writeup is not making sense
When you are ready to discuss the topic (which is what brought me here) let me know

One more thing
If you line the words in my post people will still read it
So why then do you do such

MrMbaM:
The truth is no one take yeebhoes serious. You will be flogged mercilessly if you cause trouble, buhahahaha.

Don't get what you are trying to drive at with your statement (your writing is not really clear)

Like I said
Nobody should complain when they start suffering the consequences of their wrong doing

Shymm3x:
One other thing: I think the three regions that made up Nigeria during the first republic are well structured countries that can thrive, albeit a few groups may have to change regions. That's what Biafra should be about - the old Eastern region and emphasis on the similarities they all share. And you have top reach equity and autonomy for all the groups. If you can go that route - it'll be easier to achieve Biafra or whatever name you want to call the struggle. However, shouting Biafra in a landlocked land, with little or no resources, and faux/vacuous/obtuse bravery - while alienating everyone won't get you lot anywhere. It's basically suicidal.

Also, Yorubas are the least of ya problems. The only reason why most Yoruba prefer Nigeria at the moment is cos they believe they're in an advantageous position than the other groups who occupy the country. The Hausa/Fulani might dominate them politically, but they're far ahead of Fulanis economically and academically. And regardless of how much noise Igbos make everywhere - Yorubas know they're still in a better space within Nigeria than Igbos will ever dream of. When you're in a non-achieving space like that - you always get carried away like the one-eyed king in the land of the blind. However, if Igbos were to leave Nigeria tomorrow - best believe Yorubas won't stop you lot, and the plan would be to leave the union as well. Unless you engage in the same adventure that was Ojukwu's Achilles heel and venture into their part of the country. A Yoruba country will always be greater than Nigeria and every sane person knows that. So, you lot also need to leave Yorubas out of all the hate you preach - and focus on fostering brotherhood with folks from old Eastern region. If you're ever going to get ya Biafra - South South holds the ace to that dream and you lot need those people.

There is nothing like south south (this literally doesn't even make sense)
There is only biafra ( you can check the documents the evil british signed when they first came to make a business deal in that part of the world)
They already existed as a nation (even before the british)
The biafrans are doing every thing to free themselves from the imperialistic slavery called Nigeria
Let the other groups do theirs
Remember each group has their different history with how they got enslaved within the contrapment
If the other groups are not ready
They should not disturb the biafrans from getting their freedom since they are not couragious enogh to do what's right for themselves

[quote author=nochildsplay post=39138291][/quote]Slavery is worse than death

Everyone dies eventually anyway





You can ask the first african slaves that came to america

Eziachi:
We stop fighting to preserve a human generation to take the fight in another fashion across the finishing line.

Few more years or even months of fighting would have resulted in world's first successful hundreds per cent genocide.
Ikemba left, so that the issue will no longer be about him, to allow us to recover without having to worried about the possible outcomes his death in the hand of Nigerians would have done to our psyche forever as a possibility, being the face of Biafra.

Moses took the ancient Israel across the red sea but it was Joshua that led them into their promised homeland. Of all the nearly a million that crossed the dry sea bed of the red sea, only 8 out of them entered the promised land.
The war in the 60s wasn't really about freedom, it was mainly about survival in the face of little alternatives, but we knew when to stop. Things are different today and the world is equally different from those of my time.

The problem was not with them stopping the fight (they were absolutely right in doing that)
The problem was that they did not sustain the struggle (underground ofcourse), reorganise themselves properly, mobilise and relunch the fight for biafra couple of yrs/decades after they stopped fighting (there were several situations in the 70's, 80's, 90's they could probably have taken advantage of)
They did not do this because
They saw the biafran struggle as a struggle as you said for "survival" (due to the situation surrounding what happened in the 60's) rather see it for what it truely is a struggle for "freedom"
They fail to see that the foundational cause of those reoccuring problems as marginalisation, tribalism/ethnic bigotry, religious conflicts etc was their continues slavery within the british contrapment
This is what the current generation have realised
Hence their determination to restore biafra

Shymm3x:
You don't ask diplomats for their support, when you're hawkish and you run a radio station that spews nothing but hate and bile. Also, what can Biafra offer external powers cos nothing is free in international politics? See, right there, next to Biafraland, there's a big cash-cow called "South South" that can act as a catalyst to get most foreign powers behind Biafra. That's what Radio Biafra ought to preaching - the similarities that existed among folks from the old Eastern region and how everyone can form a great alliance - based on equity, accountability, and autonomy for all the groups from that region in a new country.

Foreign powers don't need to get involved to stop you - they'll just provide Nigeria with the required weapons to annihilate you, and turn a blind eye to it, with total black-out in the press.

Nah, the West gave South Sudan freedom cos of the oil in Darfur.

What ever the case may be
The IPOB's method is working
So I suggest they continue with it
If possible move it into a high gear

The aim is to free yourself
What ever means that practicaly works
You use it

Vulu:
RECENT EVENTS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY HAVE OPENED OPENED OUR EYES TO THE VITRIOLIC HATE WE HAVE FOR OURSELVES IN NIGERIA.
THE MUSLIM YORUBA AND HAUSAS HAVE MADE IT PLAIN THAT THEY ARE ITCHING FOR A REASON TO KILL EASTERNERS, AS A FORMER PRO-NIGERIAN, DO I STILL EMBRACE THIS PEOPLE AND CALL THEM MY "BROTHERS"? IF YES, WHY SHOULD I?
IS IT STILL "COMMON-SENSICAL" TO STILL SEE THE FULANIS, HAUSAS AND YORUBAS AS "BROTHERS" NOW THAT THEY HAVE SPOKEN FROM THE ABUNDANCE OF THEIR HEARTS, THAT EASTERNERS SHOULD BE KILLED.

NOW THAT WE HAVE TOLD OURSELVES THE TRUTH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM PRO-NIGERIAN IGBOS AND ALL EASTERNERS OUT THERE. THE HAUSAS AND YORUBAS SAY THEY WILL RAZE DOWN YOUR CITIES AGAIN AND KILL EVERYTHING LIVING IN IT, WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW THAT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THEM? WILL STILL EMBRACE THEM AND SHOUT "MY HAUSA BROTHER?", "MY YORUBA BROTHER?". THEY ARE CURRENTLY TAUNTING YOU IN YOUR DIFFICULT TIMES, IS IT OKAY TO SMILE WITH HE WHO WANTS TO SEE YOUR END?

PLEASE TELL US WHY WE SHOULD STILL BE PRO-NIGERIAN? WON'T IT BE OKAY TO "PROTECT" OURSELVES, NOW THAT THE REALITY HAS HIT US REAL HARD, WON'T IT BE SENSIBLE TO NOW EAT WITH A LONG SPOON WITH THE DEVIL THAT WANTS YOUR BLOOD?

I WANT TO READ COMMENTS FROM REAL PRO-NIGERIAN EASTERNERS TO KNOW THEIR FEELINGS, NOT PRETENDERS FROM HAUSA, FULANI, YORUBA.

THANK YOU.

Pro-Nigeria simply means Pro-Slavery

Shymm3x:
You'll always need external support to achieve an end result. If you just want to fight for the sake of it - that's more or less trying to self-destruct. And you don't have the necessary tools to take on the Nigerian military, regardless of how primeval it's.

Without the west - there won't be a South Sudan. Without the yanks, there won't be Taiwan. Russia just took Crimea and gave Eastern Ukraine cover. That's how it works.

The external support is the reason their leader
Mr nnamdi kanu has been going all over the world and speaking to variuos diplomats
So they probably have and are still doing their homework in that aspect
The key to achieve freedom is to mobilise your people
Once you can mobilse your people
You will get your freedom
No foreign power (west, yanks, russian) can stop you
They will have no option than to fall in line
South sudan achieved their freedom not by the west but by mobilising their people to fight which later paved way for a refrandum
The west had no optiion than to fall in line
Without mobilising your people you cannot achieve your freedom
Remember power belongs to the people
Ipob know and understand this that is why they are mobilising their people through radio biafra

One has to also note that the current biafra struggle is different from the one of late 1960's

The biafran struggle of the 60's was not about freedom but was about survival from the evil and brutality of imperialistic powers aided by their so called nigerian slaves
Hence the defensive approach and biafrans also reintegrating back into the slavish contrapment

The current struggle is about total and complete freedom

Eziachi:
My generation did the fighting and died for you already, now is the time for diplomacy. If you doubt me, ask the Sein fenn in Ireland or the ANC in South Africa.

The older generation fought but stopped fighting
That was their undoing
They should have regrouped, reorganise them selves and relunch their fight again couple of years after their first fight
Remember the saying
"He who flee's from a fight lives to fight another day"
South sudan did this
They sustained their fight for up to 30yr
What was the result
They freed themselves from their oppressors
The ANC of south africa stopped fighting and went the diplomatic route
What was the result
They did not free themselve completly from their oppressors
Same with Ireland
Biafra wants complete and true freedom not some diplomatic type of freedom
This they know they can only achieve by fighting in otherwords taking their freedom by force
The current generation now are fighting the fight their parents didn't succeed in so that their own children will not have to fight this same fight
Because true freedom must have to be achieve for them to live in peace as a people
So the earlier the better

Shymm3x:
Okay, Biafrans (or IPOB) - let's analyse the best way to achieve Biafra, if you think violence is the best route.

In as much as Nigeria doesn't have a proper military that can defeat a well equipped uprising and separatist group with modern and sophisticated weapons - backed by at least a country with a decent military - I don't think Biafrans can win against Nigeria.

Igbos are mostly Christians and most look towards Israel. However, Israel doesn't care about anyone apart from Israel - and it'll most likely support any group the Gulf countries support. And that's most likely Northern Nigerians.

Iran would've been a decent choice and Iran has the capability of turn IPOB youths into the vicious and brutal Houthi rebels of Yemen (the same ones that have made the Saudis and Gulf military look like fools) or even Hezbollah. But Igbos abhor Islam and they're not even Shiites.

The West will only support Igbos if there's something in it for them...and Igboland has little or no oil to interest anyone - apart from an alliance with their South South neighbours.

Russia has no interest in Nigeria and Igbos are more Americanised than anything Russia wants to deal with. And Chinese don't interfere in other people's business.

So who will give Biafra the needed support?

There is no best route/way of geting your freedom or emancipation
You have just one option
Fight
Mobilise your people, prepare and fight for your freedom
Simply put
Take your freedom by force
That all


Ipob and its leadership seem to understand this

Eziachi:
The truth must be told but sometimes in life, you had to be very mindful of how you tell the truth, otherwise, you will do more harm than good you intended to achieve.

If you are a married man and your wife, after dressing up had asked you : "how do I look darling" ? As a married man of more than forty years, experience taught me that irrespective of how bad her dress or makeup looked, you dare not say: darling you looked terrible!
If you say that, you are looking for trouble. But a sensible husband will first complement her on the good points before gently suggested areas of change.

She may unlikely take your advice but you will be happy that you had told her how she really looked but at the same time didn't upset her.

That's how in one of my contribution last week I described Nnamdi Kalu's approach to our Biafra freedom from Nigeria. I said instead of calling Nigeria a zoo, please call them great but tell them that Biafra can be greater on it's own.

Instead of insulting Fulani and Buhari, tell them that their best chance of harnessing their agricultural potential is being outside southern crude oil addiction and tell Buhari that despite his honestly as a man, Nigeria is an impossible place to practice honesty. But in an arewa republic, he will be ruling people that had more in common with him than what's contained in Nigeria as on nation.

Tell the Yoruba that they have the potential to be even greater than Biafra in Oduduwa and Nigeria is the clog on their wheel. Let's bury the past and forge a new part. Stop calling them betrayers even if you think they are. Always keep your perceived enemy close and sweet all the time.

Tell others in the so called south south that they are welcomed to join us in Biafra if they so wished including the Igbo speaking areas. But if all of them wished to remain with Nigeria, we will wish them well and will help them to succeed because we will preferred they succeed than to fail.

We should be able to communicate with the rest of Nigeria that we preferred to live with them as good neighbours than to be married to them inside the same house, squabbling and undermining each other. That should be our modern civilised approach.

SNP does not want Scotland to leave the UK because UK is a zoo but because they believed that Scotland will thrive better alone.
For more than 300 years, the English refused until they got the point and the Scots were given a referendum, which the majority rejected at the moment as that can change in few years time. My wife is a Scot but preferred the United Kingdom and our two children preferred the independent of Scotland despite being born in Ethiopia and England and raised in England.

The Catalonia and Basque people in Spain has shunned violence/hate speeches and start to copy the Scottish/SNP approach in Scotland.

America/Britain preferred one Nigeria for obvious reasons of their national interest but they can be convinced if ressured that their wrongly fear of Emeka Ojukwu as the new rich, Oxford educated Fidel Castro in the 60s was a wrong assumptions and no longer exists as cold war is dead.

Putin will never support Biafra because of Ingushetia and Chechnya in his backyard, when his current foreign policy is based on bringing back the old Soviet union and expansionist policies

The Chinese the same because of Taiwan, Tibet and others

So our approach to Nigeria and the rest of the world powers shall mirror the scenario where we can become like that naughty Tsey-fly that petched on the scrotum of a man.
If the man leaves it, the Tsey-fly will suck all his blood , if he is to forcefully try to kill it, the man will smash his scrotum in the process.
His best approach will be to gently force the parasite to fly away.
Biafra should be that sensible man as the rest of Nigeria is our Tsey-fly.

You have to understand something
Diplomacy will never get you your freedom in this current situation
There is too many vested intrest for diplomacy to work currently for any set of people
Any country/nation that wants to get their freedom have to stand up and fight for it
Peaceful diplomatic means will only waste your time cause it will definately not happen (at least not for the next couple of yrs)
Fact is
Throughout history no set of people have gotten true freedom by diplomatic/peaceful means
It has never ever happen
If you are not ready to die you are not ready to be free
The people who put you in bondage didn't do so diplomaticaly or peacefuly
Why then should you follow such a path
Scothland, chechnya, catalonia and taiwan are not ready for true (emphasis on true) freedom
When they are
They will drop that diplomatic and peaceful path and do what they are supposed to do
Which is to fight
You fight not just for fighting sake
You fight because people who are holding you down will not let you go till you fight them
That's how its done
The ipob and their leadership know this
That is why their method is yielding results ( as you can see from the momentum the movement is gathering)
No modern approach (what ever that means), no diplomacy, no subtle method, no beating about the bush
Just riseup and fight for your freedom by any and every means necessary
Or else
As the popular saying goes
"You're on a long tin"

The Nigerian govt and people should know they draw the first blood
They should not complain when they start suffering the consequencies of their action

African people most of the time seem to prefer learning things the hard way

AAinEqGuinea:
Thanks Satan.

So many dilemmas, not enough answers.

It is as if the loss of a loved one hinges on the credibility of the government's penal system which never knew the true meaning of the victim. If a person killed someone, it makes sense that they spend life in prison which is not always the case in the western world I live in. So once the offender serves their time in person, what happens if you later see that person in public and you kill them for what they've done in the past, not being satisfied with your government's attempt at penitence. karma and the spirit of your loved one demands eye-for-an-eye justice? Anything less may be considered cowardice.

Like I said
If you are not satisfied with the justice served by the law you can take your own revenge if you feel it will make things even
Fact is
The universal structure has already put things in place for things to always even out
This will be done artificially (you or any other person revenging) or naturally (karma)

As for your revenge
Always remember the saying
"There are many ways to kill a cat"

firstolalekan:
Shut da fùck up
Ewu biafra

Kanu should be charged for treason.

It is foolishness to tell someone who you have no control over to "shut da Bleep up" because you cannot make that happen
Why then stress yourself to achieve what is not achieveable

Like I said
He has broken no law
If you say he has prove it

The pic is not recent

AAinEqGuinea:
Maybe the avenger could be karma the world needs and that their slain loved one expects... like any other "lawful" form of death penalty

Yes
But
Only if your so called loved one is innocent of any wrong doing that might result in his/her killing
And also
If the laws of the society and the society at large doesnot offer and carryout the required justice to compensate for the killing of your so called loved one

One has to also note that
You have to find a way to carryout your vengance without the law catchingup with you

magicminister:
So, inciting igbos against other tribes is legal.
I am not against the biafra agitation but there are ways to go about it.
Petition the u.n and hold a referendum. Its not the least easy but atleast its legal.

Best of luck in your biafra struggle. Shield you swords and tow the peaceful lane.

God bless us all.

He is not inciting the so called igbos or biafran people
He is telling them the truth
Every thing he said about the other groups and their intentions towards biafra and its people are truth
He has challenged anybody to say anything he said that is not true
You can take u that challenge if you are sure of what you are saying
The only way to go about your freedom is to riseup and get it by any means necessary
Like I said
The u.n will not take you seriously (especially this part of the world ie: africa) until you do something drastic (south sudan had to fight a war for more than 20yrs)
When someone beats you in public without you retaliating people around will admonish that person to stop (he might oblidge to this or he might not)
But when someone beats you in public and you retaliate and beat the person back in other words you both are now fighting
People around will come to seperate the situation and ask you both "what happened"
Remember the people who put you in this slavish mess you find yourself never followed any peacefull or legal means
With the situations on ground anyone can see that the so called diplomatic/peaceful means is an absolute waste of time
The ipob and its leadership know this
That is why their method is working

Freeing yourself from bondage is not an easy task and certainly cannot happen by luck or towing a so called peaceful/legal part
Because putting people in bondage does not happen by luck and certainly doesn't follow a peaceful/legal path

EasternLeopard:
He called for violence as you said

But was it implemented.? No


Take it or leave it


Kanu wants to use his blood to awaken the Igbos to bravely face death in their match for Biafra.




Nigeria just made Biafra more popular in the eye of the world.



Sometimes the faster way to kill an issue is to ignore it. That Nigeria failed

He didn't just call for violence
He called for retaliation of any unprovoked attack
Which is in order because
When a government chooses to act contrary to law the citizens have every right to do the same ( this is how revolutions starts)