Thebadpolitican:



Lol,

It is called omomo not omo , omo is the short form

Yoruba keep claiming edo words they don't even know the full word to

Because we use English words today does that now mean English came from Nigeria, if not so then you sound like mc oloumo tout...

Like I said the N in the omo n' oba pronounced as
Omo no ba makes it different from omoba


Oba of benin is a full benin son , your ododuwa and oromiyan were mere non existed idols

Thebadpolitican:


Ogiso didn't even exist sky kings , do you belive that haha yoruba love mythical tales wonder why Oduduwa came down from chain...

The benins tradition doesn't even belive on heavenly being's to begin with we believe life on earth after death


You wrote trash.

Although I understand that you are an Edo nationalist, and nationalist fight for the favor of their nation, but it will be unwise if a nationalist directly refute a civilization that had apparently influenced it to the core.

Yoruba civilization had influenced Edo and their is nothing anybody can do about it. Right inside of Benin, Edos bear Yoruba names and rever their God's.

Use your common logical side of the brain, who colonize who?


lol, are you aware that during the colonial Era when indirect rule system was still in use the Oba of benin ment up with the ooni of ife for a political alliance with the Edo people, and the then ooni of ife agreed to the political alliance with the edos, and the Oba of benin would be regarded as one of the sons of oduduwa, the Oba of benin wasn't bothered about the cultural status he was given, in the new political alliance as a son of oduduwa and a false conjugated history was formed for a cultural alliance. the oromiyan history you're making reference to now was formed, hell broke loose when the edos were later becoming maltreated and oppressed in the western region, the yoruba leaders accusing the Oba of benin as not being a true son of oduduwa and the position he occupied in the western leadership wasn't deserved, and there was a need for the Edo people to pull away from the western region..... Please are you aware there is no yoruba idol in the Oba palace only edo idols, no yoruba names in the palace too, the name oba, is a benin original word that was introduced to yoruba people due to the bemin military might the Edo people had on the entire Yoruba people before colonial Era, the full title is called "omo n oba nedo" not just oba of benin the yorubas kings infact until 1930 were still addressed by the British as sir as their title until they changed it in 1930 to oba and the ooni then was the first person to attempt such move from sir the British refred them as to oba and the rest yoruba monarch followed suit afterwards. "I repeat there was never a real oromiyan in benin"

Thebadpolitican:



Lol, it is called omo n' oba, you see that 'n' in the middle stands for the biggest meaning of the entire sentence, omo n' oba ne'do ( the child that shines for the Edo people)

Ovwio oba ( son of the Oba) and not what you wrote the there

Oba is a short form of the Oba of benin title the full title is omo n oba the Complete title is
"Omo n oba nedo ukwapolopolo"

Thebadpolitican:



Tell the lies to console yourself we benins ruled the entire Yoruba people in the past

That is a fact that can be proven not the ife tales in benin

Rahkman:
shut up ur mouth izoduwa ur so called oduduwa was a bini prince,went on exile to osun,you yorubas saw how majestic he looked you took him for a god that descended from the sky and made him the founder of your race claiming he is from eygpt, this is pure fact,bini is not from ife, bini empire has existed and was trading and fighting Europeans before you guys even discovered you were yorubas

PrinceofSarcasm:


Just look at this one. Why do you Yoruba never respect other people's sovereignty or tradition?

Why must you belittle or try ito lord over another tribe? What are you Yoruba like this ?

goodnessme1:
That won't change anything because he's not on this alone.


If Rascals continue attacking Igbos in Southwest,Men from East will surely enter south west.
So they should better stop and limit their attack on social media, because anything physical attack again.............



Idiotic miscreants can't be attacking Igbos and their businesses while we fold our hands.

Since Nigeria security are useless and can't defend our people,we must defend ourselves by all means possible.



God bless all loves of freedom and peace.

Danishguy:
Very laughable assertion, dude said thinkers. The only functioning part of the brain of an average yoruba male is his insatiable urge to have sex.

Zik was the main reason for our independence as a nation, the collective yoruba race were extremely comfortable in their subservient position to the throne of England.

raskymonojendor:
God Hates Pride.

Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behaviour and perverse speech.”

Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”

Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.”

Danishguy:
Where is the lie? Are yorubas not an inferior tribe? Can your people usurp the Igbo GRACE in any equal and fair caste.

Your ancestors reckoned, no wonder why they littered in successive loop to the sub humans down north to compensate for your innate perpetual failings

Philgafauto:


Yes, all you said is true. They are even insulting me on my thread.

Oro won ti sunmi. God will help them.


Thanks for your understanding omo iya.

Philgafauto:


Well, you are right that i did nor respond to the slight from that igbo guy because i know he is feeling hurt by the present situation of his tribe in Nigeria and i do not want to add insult to their injury. We need to put ourselves in their shoes given the injustice they have faced and continue to face in Nigeria. The just concluded election was marred with irregularities and would not pass legal muster in any country where rule of law is upheld, but alas, we are in Nigeria --- the disgrace of Africa and every black man on earth. As yorubas, we both know what Tinubu did to INEC and our critical national institutions because of his ambition. In addition, as Christians, we know that Tinubu and most yorubas have done goes against every teaching in our religion. I know most of the hate coming from our side is from our muslim brothers so i am not surprised because i know that is what their religion is about. I do not have a problem with that. What irks me is that their conduct rubs off on every sane and respectable yoruba who is now thought of as a crude rascal and a tribalist. We are all not tribalists and some of us will do all we can to refute the notion that we are degenerate tribe filled with louts and miscreants, all doing the bidding of that thug, Tinubu.

You should therefore not be disappointed in me because what i am doing is damage control on all the nonsense yorubas have been doing on this forum before and after that shambolic election. The igbos need all the support and advice they can get to wriggle their way around all the hate directed their way in this country. I hope you understand my perspective now?

Philgafauto:


Betray who Tinubu

Is this how he wants to rule Nigeria? By disenfranchisement of a major and encouraging xenophobic attacks against them

So you expect all yorubas to join you in your hate of igbos? Do you know how educated and exposed i am??

If i join in the tribalism against igbos, then what is the use of all my education?

We are not all touts eating from Tinubu in yorubaland oooo. Besides, i was born a Christian and we were not thought tribalism in our family.

Philgafauto:


Ati awon to bi e....

Philgafauto:


I will resist the temptation to insult you or the igbos. That is what you want me to do.

But let me tell you, the hostility will not stop because the whole thing has been spinned to make it look like we are being invaded by the igbos and that is false. I pray Tinubu does not rule though. He is one that can unite us. Even before taking his oath of office, there is so much division.

As for you igbos, you can keep trooping out of your land.

Renman:
They are divided Yet they help their people to become useful in life through igba boy(business training). But your people are here giving births to thugs/urchins everywhere looking hungry, malnourished etc. Imagine the so called president elect is the king of thugs, drugs etc chaii Thank God for the few Yorubas who still have their brain well intact!

viodemus:
most Brazilians are genetically falling to the igbos and calabar side of Nigeria.


But the twist was/is, SW especially Lagos, was the place that hundred of thousands of Brazilian blacks settled in the SW. Another twist is that the chances of a good percentage of igbos among those returnees is high.


igbos alone were almost 5 million slaves taken. We were the forefront of fighting against islamic expansion. The whole Angola was almost 2 million slaves taken. The yorubas were traditional like the igbos, calabar, and even Benin. But when islam was pressing up on the yorubas, and oyibo people had already started their conquest; one of the deals that oyibos did with arabs during their african conquest years was that they will not enslave the muslims to Europe or wherever they were.vBut the arabs were still enslaving Africans. So, the yorubas began doing tribal marks to make the slave traders differentiate between them and other tribes that were not converting, because they (yorubas) were still newly converting to islam, but were being traded if caught in the wrong places. So, they decided to find a way to differentiate from others.


One of the cases of two street gangs wey be like cult, underground but very valid, many people know about them in Brazil, Ade gang vs mgba mgba gang. Bloody drug and territorial war. They run cool down now like 3 or so years ago, now peace organizations are building skating boards, basket ball courts, etc for their neighborhoods. Before that, serious something. Steady back to back hits.


The Brazilians are now knowing that they are from many parts of Africa and many tribes, so this oni visit, is not deeply emotional like it would have been just 10 years ago. Before that, they only knew about yoruba tribe. Am not saying yorubas were not enslaved to Brazil, but not that much. DNA is proving it as I speak, in Nigerian side alone igbos dey beat yoruba 4 to 1 or more, remember there is still Congo as a whole, with over 8 million slaves taken. Am going with realistic numbers, many books point this out. - The Europeans like to lower their numbers, to minimize their past damages.


Igbos should be reaching out to Brazilians more, and other countries. Our people taken as slaves are everywhere, and our people like to explore for other means of progress, so even in africa, igbos are genetically spread. Many igbos have been sucked in to other tribes, especially outside Nigeria. We need to be more creative with our tribal retainment. In Nigeria, out of fear, many igbos hide their identity. In foreign places, there is the case of lack of cooperation.
Remember, igbos were the first African tribe, to say they are going back to africa, when the slaves in north Carolina noticed they were igbos, they spoke the same language, then decided to go back by any means; when they found out that there was no way, they decided to die than continue to be slaves, so they walked into the water coast and many drowned, over 100 . - this was in the 1600. So, the whites did not put two igbos in the same farm field or sleeping quarters. But the twist to this, is that a few yoruba slaves, I think New Jersey, were the 1st slaves in the 1800, to organize in their slave town, to rebel against their masters. It lead to a mini war for a couple of days. They were not the only tribe that participated, but there were the leading people that did this. It was after this that returnees was passed to go back to africa, which ended up being liberia.


The igbos in north Carolina, and Virginia, also revolted many times and ended up joining with other igbos to form the country of Haiti. Igbos are also the leading dna on the Nigerian side, in jamaica, Barbados, Guyana, Dominican republic, mexico,, brazil, etc.

The yorubas hosted many returnees, who in turn, assist other returnees, and also the British at this time, preferred to relate with the returnees more than the locals, remember those were the equivalent of house slave - not field slaves who were mostly the locals, due to language and culture understanding. The yorubas hosted many returnees, not really by choice, but because the British ran things then. During this returnees period, igbos have always fought the colonizers, which made igbos susceptible to slavery. Any igbo caught were enslaved or killed, because they were fighting. The British was the only people that the igbos ended up surrendering to in the early 1900s. That's how christianity started getting in more and more, then the biafran war- really expanded christianity amongst the igbos. THe red cross and all these churches that were feeding people. The igbos didn't utilize war mines then.


Anyway, I think the igbos gave up after so much losses due to technology, but also the breakdown of Africa. Before the oyibos, igbos were giving the arabs and their african foot soldiers, a new look in africa. Impenetrable. No converting. Even when the Europeans came, igbos were not locally colonized until 1902.


Many yorubas, especially the Christian ones, were mostly the Brazilians, Returnee afrobeat europe, and other west Africans. Many igbos also need to realize that some yorubas are us, that flipped to yoruba due to environment. I mean every tribe has small flips, but am talking a little over small.


*disclaimer: these are my opinions, the way I understand them are from various books and research materials I had sought to understand; in the midst of my personal and professional life. Igbos should do some awareness and future direction reflections.

Fezz:


The sooner you understand he is not your "oduduwa", the better for you. He only migrated to ile-ife after he ran away from Igodomigodo .. even the igalas also attest to this.. Lmao

Renman:
Again, again and again you keep consoling yourself with "go and develope your barren land" whereas Ondo, Osun, Ekiti, Oyo and Ogun are all backward compared to Igbo land. Tell me any tribe that had not experienced killings of their people? No wonder majority of you people aren't enlightened! Keep crying while they keep buying up your land!!!

All of you from Ondo, Ekiti, Oyo, Osun and Ogun are now claiming Lagos because those states are nothing to write home about!

I'm waiting for your next consolation word!

gregyboy:
The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

yme1:
RELIGIOUS BELIEF

The traditional Edo view, the universe is divided into two planes of existence: the visible, tangible world of everyday life ( agbon ) and the invisible spirit world ( erinmwin ) created by Osanobua.

The creator god, Osanobua, is rather remote; worship is more frequently directed toward the other deities, who are his children.


The most important of these—according to Benin notions of seniority—is Olokun, his oldest son. Olokun, the ruler of the global waters and the provider of wealth and fertility, is the most widely venerated deity in Benin, especially among women who join local congregations to pray and sacrifice for children.

Ogun, the god of iron, is the concern of all who deal with metal, including taxi drivers and mechanics.

Other deities include Osun, the power inherent in leaves and herbs, the special concern of herbalists;

Ogiuwu, the god of death; and Obienmwen, the goddess of safe delivery. Yoruba deities such as Eshu, the trickster; Shango, the god of thunder; and Orunmila, the deity of divination, have been incorporated into Edo religion.E.T.C

gregyboy:



Can you imagine such nonsense coming out from you, since the benin royalty has been ruling is now they know they are Yorubas and they should be led to rule

Wether they like it or not, the royalty is of edo
origin and they can never fight it, no silly
Yoruba should near that stool, the heir to the throne must have a Bini or an edo bloodline through the mother to effectively continue the stool

gregyboy:


I see you're new to culture thread that's why you're still asking for evidence a little troll to my profile and you will see all my evidence i dropped on my threads

The funny thing is there is no evidence that benin-ife relationship existed before the Collapse of the benin empire

If there is bring it out

And i never said the white people attached Yoruba history to that of the benins for political benefit

I said the benins attached their history to the Yorubas after amalgamation for political benefit which altered the benin history till date

gregyboy:



Attache, i dont even blame you, you are probably from kwarra

You dont even know your own history but so quick to talk on other people history

You're probably not even from the ife, benin, or oyo that the historical lie is centered on.... So you may just be catching cruise all the way from kwarra state because you think you're Yoruba


Edo the land of the great oba along with ancestors sold Yorubas as slaves and kept the reat for sacrifice in our alters they are European document fact on all of this


The benin controlled the entire lagos point of correction


Oduduwa never existed it was the handwork of sultan bello who invented him and was now documented by Johnson

Benin was coined by the itsekiris who warned the Portuguese not to venture into benin and so they called it land of anger

Ogidomigodo and ogiso were frictional works of eghrevba who sorted wayd to make benin dynasty older

There was never really ogiso what we had was
Ogie and an oba Note benin traditional worship doesn't believe in heavenly beings they believe life begins and end ob earth until the Europeans came with their beliefs and introduced the concept of heavenly beings
That was when the concept of ogiso was born as a folklore in benin ......


Throughout the European visitation and trade in benin names like oromiyan, Oduduwa were never mention untill after amalgamation


Attaching yoruba false history with benin was done for political reasons that era is gone smell the coffee that the Yoruba history is worthless without benin attaching to it

gregyboy:



Many nonsense in one writeup the only one that got my attention was Ekiokpagha treaty like i will always say the treaty is an indigenous treaty involving the palace and a commoner

The history was only twisted in the 30s to accompany yoruba fairytale

They were so many other treaty that occurred in the benin empire and they are indigenous

Stop forcing Yoruba into our history we have long passed the stage when we needed the attention not anymore

Ife, oromiyan, Oduduwa in benin history are recent invention

gregyboy:



Ogodomigo was a frictional name coined by egharevba, Benin was known as edo and was known to the European as benin

The word Benin was coined from the itsekiris
Who warned the Portuguese with Yoruba to stay clear off edo lands and called it ile binu which means land of anger