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DeepSight:
Finally, a worthy response. Thank you.



The defense of freewill is the most regular response to the problem of evil - which perceptive persons would have instantly recognized as one of the dilemmas under-girding the poser offered by this thread. However one must note that freewill as an assumption for mankind in the context of overall responsibility for the nature of the world is highly questionable. However before I proceed further here, permit me to establish two different questions which are cardinal here -

1. The question of overall responsibility
2. The question of freewill of mankind

Alright.

Let me start with the question of overall responsibility. As inferred, what is referred to here is the question as to who bears overall responsibility for the mature of the world. I posit that that responsibility could rest on no one else than the creator of said world - especially where this creator is said to be omniscient and omnipotent.

From the Holy Scriptures (read: Bible), we see the character of the Creator. The words "omniscient" and "omnipotent" with which you describe Him are not in that book so you may want to tell me where you got those descriptors from. However, the Scriptures describe him as just, righteous, faithful, jealous, visiting the inquities of fathers upon their children even up to the fourth generation, without variableness or shadow of turning, slow to anger, holy, merciful, among others. From these we can discern His modus operandi, not with logic and intellect alone, for He dwells in a realm superior to this one.

So when you point out sir, that we are talking about a very unique creator - a creator who bequeaths a will - you must also not forget or leave out the fact that so great is the uniqueness of this creator that he is also said to be omniscient and omnipotent. The paradox must in this case instantly leap out at you - that an omniscient creator would necessarily know and understand the consequences of creating free-willed beings. Furthermore an omnipotent creator would have every capacity to create the most positively inclined free willed beings conceivable and in the most ideal environment for the expression of same. Now is this the case? [quote]Those words again, where did you get them from? You have conferred attributes on the Creator only to challenge them. For example, Scriptures tell us "God is not a man that he should lie. He cannot lie. That not omnipotence.
We see again that God regretted that He created man. That negates omniscience. So please tell me where you got those attributes of the Creator from?

[quote]I say that it certainly is not the case - neither in terms of the alleged "freewill" of the created beings nor in terms of the environment created for their dwelling, and my reason for so saying is simple - man is highly circumscribed in his will by both the very nature he is created in, and the environment he is created in. I assert that both this created nature and the created environment actually predispose man very naturally to what is called "sin" - if not outrightly compel him into it - and for this reason I therefore say that it would be deceitful for a creator to wave freewill as some sort of escape from its responsibility for the nature of man and the nature of the world. Not that religious scripture generally gives us any reason to think that the creator is a stranger to deceit, but I digress. [quote]The created nature you speak of is just one part of the nature of man. This is mistake of men who rely on their five senses alone for perception. Sin is an appetite that grows when the created relies on his sensual perception alone. God created man for his pleasure, and man was created insufficient deliberately so He would have to perpetually rely on the Creator to overcome that appetite for sin and other limitations of his realm. There are superior faculties of perception (soulish and spiritual) which are the primary means of interacting with the Creator and His realm.
[quote]Why do I say that both man's created nature and his created environment predispose, if not outrightly compel him into what is called sin? Well lets start with the very hormones by which man is reproduced. They are designed for constant and easy arousal from a fairly young age. They are not built with rigidity and refrain as second nature, but with spontaneity as their natural flow. This has predisposed mankind to every sort of social, political and I dare say even military complication which the mind can imagine throughout the ages.

All of these predilections can only be checked by perpetual reliance on the supply of the Spirit. This was and is the original design. Man lost the manual when he used His freewill to commit sin in Eden.

In both his nature and his given environment, mankind has been forced to be competitive for survival. Again this spirit of competition, vital as it is to his survival just as is the instinct of sex, has myriad natural consequences for the nature of Earth-Life for man as it is virtually impossible with such a given-nature, to avoid the spectres of jealousy, covetousness, greed, ambition, competition for resources, class-war, and outright war. All of these are inevitable consequences of the nature of man and the nature of his given environment.

None of these are necessary for the man who sticks to the manual -- absolute reliance on the supply of the spirit. These are only the effects of a system not following the original design. The same way your phone will start to misbehave if you disobey the manufacturers and dip it in water.

And the creator of both man and his environment cannot escape complicity in all this. It is disingenuous to create a sexxual being, with all its implications for territorialism, jealousy and covetousness, and place such a being in an environment which demands spirited competition for survival, and then assert that one has not thereby created a being definitely disposed towards certain obvious outcomes.

To do that and then hide behind alleged freewill, is simply dishonest. [quote]I think I've addressed this. The seeming lack of resources that cause competition comes from not relying on the supply of the Spirit. The resources of Heaven are infinite. You will never know as long as you rely on your sensual faculties alone. There is no need for competition.
[quote]but the foregoing is just the tip of the iceberg[/b] because when I say that man's freewill is highly circumscribed, I mean just that. It is most limited in many ways. Who determined for him what planet he would dwell on? [quote]Who made him male and female. Who made it so that he must kill and consume living things for his survival. Who placed in him the sexxual instinct? Who placed in him all of his other multifaceted desires? So long as you cannot say that man's alleged freewill is responsible for all of these things, then you must at once recognize that man has been created into a given and already defined context and system, and that in itself circumscribes and limits freewill and for this reason you cannot blame man's freewill for his nature, and you cannot exculpate the creator from responsibility for the nature of man.

I believe I've addressed this. Those desires come from utilizing only one part of your being. The weakest part

Finally, this rabbit-hole goes even further. How many things will you blame man's freewill for? Will you blame it for natural disasters. Will you blame it for the existence of mosquitoes, fleas and disease giving worms and the like. You will end up blaming man's freewill for the very cycle of nature and that will simply be absurd.

Man's misuse of freewill brought disasters, disease and all what not. They were not in the original manual. As the Zenith of creation, his actions affected and continue to affect the rest of creation.

Persistence is a law. If you continue knocking on a door it will open.

You also need the Hear Ye Him anointing.
An engracement that compels people who need what you provide to find your service and place a demand on it.

DeepSight:
For it has always seemed somewhat odd to me, that one may create something, and then proceed to sit in magisterial judgement over it - in terms of condemning it to destruction or granting it life. In terms of saying that it is good or evil - Because - any such judgement is necessarily a judgment of the Creator itself and no one else, surely?

Who else is responsible for the nature of a created thing if not the creator of the thing?

This Creator is unlike other creators. He has the ability to give His creation something no other creator can -- a will.
The Creator passes judgment based on what the creation does with that will.
Steve Jobs would not be responsible for a defective iPhone if it had a will.

It's not a Nigerian thing. It's a human thing.
Even the Scriptures say that no one listens to a poor man.

A poor man's wisdom is despised and his words are not heard Ecclesiastes 9:16

These words altered my thinking profoundly.

MaxInDHouse:
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33 NIV



Please between your Apostle and the man saying this things who is the Son of God?

Please get out

kjsunday3:
What do I do please I graduated 2009 I finished serving 2011 in 2011 I got a job as a workshop Engineer I was struck with a shameful ailment and was admitted I tried to return they said I absconded.since 2011 I have been on drugs.I have been teaching on and off.I bought a container to sell used clothes even one item I did not sell.I opened a hair saloon I could not get customers or barber. I trek 30km daily because I can't afford tp.I sell grapes I hardly sell 2000 in a month.I have been mocked failed relationships

Don't allow people who don't know anything to come and give you advice.
Life is spiritual.
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Spiritual Intelligence 1-3
Priesthood
The Altar of Prayer
The Mystery of Deliverance 1-4
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MufasaLion:
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TRASH! Spiritual my foot!

Moreover, go and tell Apostle Joshua to clear his name on the sex scandals up against him before trying to solve other's problem.

Joshua and Johnson are not the same person. Just had to clear that up

Workch:
He corrected you but because you don’t know anything, you still want to argue.

Why Ronaldo fans no Dey get sense like this?

I wonder for them.

Yoighaman:
OK, so the award was issued by CAF

You are really dull.
Why not just do a Google search?

Yoighaman:
Na you sabi...FIFA and ojoro na 5 and 6.

FIFA has nothing to do with this award. You see you don't even know what you are arguing about

Yoighaman:
Na guilty conscience dey worry you my brother...Messi does not deserve to win this. See the look on everyone's face, it even says it all.

Guilty conscience
I'm not seeing any look. The best player won.

Yoighaman:
How? Asides Copa America, what else?

What else do you need?
Which one Lewandowski win?

LesbianBoy:
Ribery was not phenomenal that year he was just in a team that won treble. But this one Lewandowski won treble and was the main man even broke a record in his league. Come on!

You guys hatred for Ronaldo dey make una lie up and down

Which treble
Chelsea won the champions league duh!

ENIGMATIC2023:
God punish your father too. Idiot

Lol
Tapin d or fans want to have heart attack this night.

Yoighaman:
Can anyone just tell me why Messi deserves to win this...

Because he was the best player of 2021?
You want to argue?

safarigirl:
Facts

Definitely not the most successful, you can take it anywhere.

What is the SI unit of success?

Why are you so quick to point out that a highly successful guy is not the most successful?
Who is the most successful?

There is a tendency in humans to downplay the success of others. It makes us feel good about our own shortcomings. Make of that what you will.

safarigirl:
He's definitely not the most successful, except you rank success by who can churn out the most mediocre movies every year.

Bitterness

tutudesz:
Lewandowski out preformed all nominees

Joker

Balistic4:
yeah, sadly. the place has been closed long ago. Many met her shop at the Ifesinachi park inside school but she started in set shops just adjacent Chitis which are now demolished

Oh that's sad to hear.
Her Ofe Akwu was out of this world. She was a genuinely nice woman too.

Balistic4:
you're original unn old student. Mama Ebuka is dead now, so new student can't relate. Chitis don cast, so it is no longer luxury eatery. Nice write up bro. When did you graduate?

Is mama Ebuka really dead?

richmondefosa:
SUB is actually a building. They’re lots of shops around it too. There’s also a Fayrouz hangout zone there.

Mama Ebuka is behind Chitis. Around pharmacy area.

You be old timer o.
I left in 2015 and Mama Ebuka was at Ifesinachi park, beside pharmacy lecture theater.

Nnaemiemax:


Tiiiiiidy!

Men I climbed that tank. Those days. Time dey fly o.
Sweet memories.

This is a pattern.
It's highly spiritual. It will never stop if you don't approach it spiritually. No amount of sense will help. The physical realm is slave to the spiritual.
Download and listen to Spiritual Intelligence 1-3 by Apostle Joshua Selman.
Don't argue.
Just be humble enough.

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Richy4:
'Madam if Not' ...I have forgotten the title of that drama those days Where her name was Madam if Not...

A program about women and child trafficking. It was sponsored by WOCTLEF
and Titi Abubakar I think.

Jochabed:
Is there a curse hanging on the lottery game?

Not really. These are just stories of winners who failed. Many others have gone to better their lives with with their winnings.

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You need slaves you mean?

I buy from the bus...100 per bag. Those street sellers will collect 150

franklingud:
Opexzy don't be confused.

I will leave you with this quote

Jeremiah 10:23


Seek the counsel and direction of God in everything you do.

You are wise

namenick:
I had dealt with this issue and it’s ilks for 4 years without palpable improvement. Until I listened to a message by Apostle Arome Osayi. Type this on YouTube, listen with genuine intent. Lust & sexual immorality by Apostle Arome Osayi.

Share your testimony when God has helped you.

Cheers bro

This was exactly what I wanted to recommended.
His message "Warfare of the mind" may also help.

JUBILEE2000:
Most of the pastors studied Architecture, medicine, Engineering and other professions. How many of them applied those formulas they are giving you to their professional practice and became wealthy before becoming pastors?

Arrogance
SMH

Differentiate:
Your not getting me .. Let's leave downloading of messages,
WHY IS MONEY HARD TO GET .

It is not hard, you are going about it the wrong way. If you try to open your bedroom door with the key to the kitchen, will it not be hard?