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izzou:
I don't see how this question can have a specific answer

If the strikers score 10 goals, and the defenders and GK concede 10 goals, the match isn't won

Like I said, if we go buy your logic, a defender cannot be the man of the match or even win an award

This will be my last reply to you on this debate. I don't think you understand me when I say you should look at the context of the discussion at hand.

A defender winning Ballon D'or (individual award) has nothing to do with a team winning UCL (team trophy).

Someone said that without VVD, Liverpool won't win UCL and I'm here trying to correct that comment, pointing out other aspects of Liverpool's game that gave them success e.g their full backs who supply large chunk of assists in the past 2 seasons, their attackers who have been prolific in front of goal, the way the team has blended having played together for like 4 seasons, the world class 'keeper they signed etc...

It's not just VVD that changed Liverpool but a host of reasons so no one should peddle this lie of "if not VVD..."

Whether he wins Ballon D'or or not is not my concern. The teams success is what I am talking about.

Thank you.

digz:
Morata is the most useless striker in my books. Closely followed by Fernandud.

Thank you for making it clear now. In your books is very different from reality

Get over Morata guy. He is still better than Lukaku.

izzou:
You are still saying the same thing, sir

So if a team wins a trophy, a defender cannot be recognized because he didn't score goals that brought the victory?

Who win matches for teams? Defenders or strikers?

kendrick93:
Was Allison present when they made the final in 2018?

Who was between the stick when they actually won it?

So who made the difference now?

izzou:
So in summary, defenders should not be considered for an award?

I feel VVD is over hyped, but from your comment, no defender on earth should be considered for an award

Context.

Individual award is different from team trophy.

I was talking about Liverpool's UCL win.

airmark:
Why is it difficult for you to ask raumdeuter to help you with the minutes played? Were you not the same person that claimed that total number of matches meant nothing?

Let me help you, go to transfermrkt.com and bring them here. I want you to murk yourself with your own hand.

So the above images mean nothing now?

BTW Al this talk started from Tammy. Can you ditto that your initial statement for Drogba too?

A40:
This hype dey turn my belle. No Mané or Salah who are winning league and CL Golden Boots but VVD alone whose Liverpool has not kept clean sheet this season

What people don't understand is that CS cannot win you a match. As a defender, the highest VVD can do is marshal the defence to be watertight. But if you keep the whole CS in this world and your strikers don't score, you can't win the match.

Even for the CS sef, we see influential signings made in that defense department. So why only VVD?

airmark:
The onus is on you to prove that Drogba didnt outperform Morata.

I gave you the number of goals and total matches for each. I have done half of the job. You should ask your apari friend, raumdeuter, pushng you, to help you with minutes played.

Use your hand to sign your dismissal.

Judge for yourself their goals per game ratio in debut season. Look at how wonderful Drogba's stat shit on Morata!

Freshprince91:
Is Kezman worse than Claudio Pizarro and Adrian mutu?

Pizarro is up there as one of our worst strikers statistically, though it should be mentioned that he was a free transfer.

Mutu's ban for drug ended his Chelsea career.

kendrick93:
Since Van djik joined Liverpool, they have made back to back finals and won one of them including also a record points tally... The evidence is clear unless you want to bury your head in the sand

What of since Alisson joined, how many back to back finals did Liverpool made? Let's start from there first...

airmark:
You didn't consider that when you rushed to post 10 goals and 11 goals, right? DOA.



It's still foolish to compare both Morata and Drogba's debut seasons without checking minutes played.

Drogba performed better than your spineless Morata in their debut seasons, bring the minutes?

Can you bring their minutes played?

BlueAngel444:
so the 11 players that play, also with Messi, Zidane, n other balon d'or winners, should not play their part.

Certain players bring more than just skill to the pitch... They bring influence, they make other players around them better or worse (like bakayoko did)

All these things you type can't justify this fallacy below

BlueAngel444:
Without VVD, Liverpool will be post VVD era.

Are you trying to say if you remove VVD from Liverpool's squad last season, they won't win UCL? On what basis?

BlueAngel444:
Sir, are you confused

It has already happened whether you like it or not.. Or maybe you jump into an alternate reality

What has happened that is the reality? "If not for VVD", is that what happened?

What of Allison? What of the 4 years the team played together and blended? What of TAA and Robertson who Klopp had faith in all these years, guys who provide a large chunk of assists for the forwards to score? What of Salah with all his goals? What of Mane later? What of Origi the super sub?

Please tell me the reality I'm missing...

raumdeuter:
Basic common sense is always missing from airmark

Tammy first season has been better than Drogba first season

Its clear to the blind

As in ehhh...

Morata is in Spain now playing for another club. Why always him? If Tammy do anything, na Morata go hear am.

afrodoc2:
Shey you know Chris Sutton, Shevchenko, and Mateja Kezman played for your club?

Elnino4ladies:
There was a certain Dos Santos as well.

Digz just fall my hand with that statement.

airmark:
Aparisports rep.

You wouldn't tell us in how many number of matches those goals were recorded by each striker. If not for digz, i would have ignored you.

Actually minutes played will give us a better picture of their performance. I don't know how to pull out the combine number of minutes played for both of them but I know that in Drogba's 26 apps, he came on as a sub in 0 matches but in Morata's 31 apps, he came on as a sub in 7 matches.

Mind you, I'm in no way comparing Morata to Drogba. That would be foolish of me. But I'm comparing their debut seasons for Chelsea because of your first comment shading Morata because of Tammy's stats. Drogba didn't perform better than Tammy, did he?

And do you think Morata is the worst striker in Chelsea's history?

BlueAngel444:
I believe it's VVD above Mane, it's who's influence affected the team's success. Since VVD entered Liverpool we all know the impact, 2UCL finals, 1 win, record points haul for a second place team and massive lead this season.

Without VVD, Liverpool will be post VVD era

Mane has definitely stepped up to being the best left winger in the world now but for that balon d'or award they got it correctly.

I hate reading craps like this over and over here. You guys keep saying this till people start believing its true.

digz:
Drogba and your mcm in the same sentence, ehn Lilbros?


You enjoy taking a piss!

Drogba is your clubs legend and the person who won you your only UCL. While your useless mcm is known to be the worse striker in cfc history. Small boi Tammy disgracing the 75mil fraud after grandpa giroud chased him away. Shameeeeeeee!!!!!!

I'm not comparing Morata to Drogba.

Airmark's comment is meant to be a shot at Morata forgetting that the shot is perfect for our legend too.

Morata is not the only number 9 in Chelsea to underperform in his debut season.

@ the bolded, why can't I mention both in the same sentence based on their debut season?

League goals... Drogba 10 goals, Morata 11 goals. Why can't I mention them in the same sentence?

Calling Morata the worst striker in Chelsea's history just shows how recently you started following Chelsea. Please Google the name Mateja Kezman cuz it's obvious you didn't watch him play for Chelsea.

BTW that Abraham/Mount combination for the second goal is exactly what we see from Drogba/Lampard those years.

Drogba chest trap for Lampard to volley home....

airmark:
Tammy Abraham has now scored the amount of goals scored by Alvaro Morata in his debut season in just 14 games.

Ditto that for Drogba's debut season also.

OH, Drogba had just 10 goals sef. So he has actually surpassed Drogba's debut season, not level.

izzou:
You are not God, sir

It's not a question of being God or not.

popizaino:
To all Conte and mourinho's fans, pls keep this same energy when things turn sour and don't bore us with excuses.

One thing is VERY sure: Tottenham is sure of at least a trophy before Mou's 3 season reign is over.

SkimpleD:
From my end, not heard any boos yet but he’s been tackled hard and not allowed any space to operate.

I was thinking he will get a harsh reception from his former fans.

Calm down Sule. No dey jump enter discussion anyhow.

Read. Observe. Then comment.

SkimpleD:
Leyqute, you dey see this Madrid vs Barca game?


So much fireworks

How far with Griezmann, are the fans booing him?

Hmmmm Freddie Ljunberg.

Well sha, there is only one FL.........Frank Lampard.

weedtaker:
Maguire the run like old tipper.

Emaprince:
Mehn...Abraham is a blunt striker abeg.

He has no imposing presence at all..hence, defenders tend to relax while facing Chelsea. I mean defenders in big teams though.

Against these top dogs, Abraham disappears completely. He does next to nothing in big games. He only shines against small teams with average defenders..yet his goals aren't always difficult or spectacular types.

Many of the unexpected goals by drogba and coastal can never be scored by tammy. That Kantes goal wouldn't have hit the back of the net if Abraham was the man on the ball. He would have easily been brushed aside.

This is a tall dude that poses no aerial threat. He wins no aerial duel. Very poor hold up play. You can't give him the ball outside the box and expect any magic from him.


Abeg make next week come so they can give us small team make the mugu shine.

You are making a very big mistake by making this comparison. A big one.

The Drogba you are talking of sef, how many goals did he score in his first season for Chelsea? 16 goals in 41 apps. Tammy is on 10 goals in 13 apps so far.

Make una free this guy joor.

nihilistjnr:
The same people that backed Morata, are here again.

We say forget the goals, because we know he should be doing a lot better.

For me, Oshimen in this team would have scored more

Let's be honest with ourselves - Man City played only 1 centre back today.

Their back 4 consisted of an error prone centre back, a 34 year old midfielder, and an injury-pronr left back who has played just 30 games in almost 3 years

Man city had just 1 cleansheet I'm the last 6 games before today. This is the same team that Norwich beat while scoring 3 goals.

It's not like we were playing against Classic AC Milan, yet somehow Tammy was completely, utterly, and hopelessly lost against John Stones of all people

How many goals did Aguero scored against Tomori of all people?

And why should I "forget Tammy's goals"? Isn't it what he is there for, to score goals? Why should I forget it?

All these people criticizing Abraham sha...

What do you mean by "forget the goals"? Why are strikers in the pitch? To defend goals? So maybe we should start rating Abraham by clearance, interceptions etc?

If he is benefitting from the system he finds himself in, why the complain? Or make Lampard change system wey dey give Abraham, Pulisic, Kante goals?

If Lampard's system is giving formerly non scoring players goals, is it not for the good of the team? If Abraham no score now, na still we go talk pass.

Make una chill abeg. If the system suits Tammy, it's for the team's good. Who cares if his goals are solo, pile driver or bullet header? How many solo goals people like Van Nistlerooy or Inzaghi score for them careers? How many outside 18 shot?

You guys are forgetting that this guy is just 20 yrs (abi 21?). First season as the sole top 9 for a big club. He is still learning abeg.

Fact is that Abraham (and the whole team) is exceeding our expectations so far this season.

So make una calm down.

raumdeuter:
Cos someone leaked his images when having sex in a public place(a public toilet that wasnt closed) which is A crime. public indencency

Very different from the clubs statement...

KingAzubuike:
Check last 2 game weeks. I shared the lineup directly from our forum.. Anyways just forget about this and let's not derail . Have a nice day

Below is your line up for last game week vs the actual lineup in the image....

What's that forum again?

KingAzubuike:
Lineup out..

Kepa, James, zouma, tomori, Azpilicueta, kante, kovacic, willian, mount, pulisic, Abraham.