European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 4:02pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Is it history that matters or what is happening currently?
5yrs is a more accurate indication of current status than what happened 40yrs ago
That is the reason why Chelsea is considered a stronger team than Nottingham Forest CURRENTLY
When Madrid did not win the CL for about 30yrs no one considered them a top team
Which is the stronger team in Europe currently AC Milan or Barcelona? Why is 5 years an accurate indication of current status and not 15 years? On what criteria? Simple answer: because it will favor your argument. That Spanish sides are dominating Europe recently doesn't make English domination early 2000s obsolete. Lets start from 2005 and let's see how far. That's just 13 years ago. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:46pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
raumdeuter: And who has done it more recently, what is the point of counting what Notthingham Forest did almost 40yrs ago to a league standing today
In the past 5yrs Atletico has made th CL final twice, how many EPL teams have made 2 CL finals in the past 5yrs?
La Liga have won the last 5 consecutive CL almost the same story with Europa and we are having an argument about what? Did UCL started 5 years ago? When Madrid was targeting La Decima, did it include 5 back to backs won between '56 to '60? No? That's almost 60 years ago. So why shouldn't I mention Nottingham of 'just' 40 years ago? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:41pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
randomperson: Where did I admit that england has more quality? That's the exact opposite of what I said...
1. And if it's really a tier two competition, why is it so difficult for English teams to win it... In fact, the last two English teams that won it were teams that normally should be competing for the UCL title... Just admit that you don't want to argue on this issue because it shows conclusively that even without barca and Madrid, LA liga still wipes d floor with EPL.
2. Atletico did not win the UCL but outperformed every English team in that timespan which is the point of my argument. And yes, I used 4 years because the point I'm trying to prove is that LA liga IS better than EPL. And recent events are relevant not distant history...
3. And as regards Aguero and co, the point is that they played better in England than they did in Spain which effectively nullifies the notion that players successful in LA liga will flop if they go to England...
4. In addition, it's the very best in England that move to Spain: Ronaldo, Bale, Henry. Mention one best player in Spain that moved to England... Virtually none. Which shows that Spain not England is where d best players go 1. English teams don't take UEL serious. Check the match day lineup of any top 4 team in England unfortunate to play in Europa. The last two English teams that won it (Chelsea and Man Utd) only start taking the competition serious from semis... It was only Klopp that too it seriously just to impress in his first season. Unfortunately he lost in the final. But Liverpool showed they don't belong in UEL by making the UCL final as an improvement. How many UCL finals has Sevilla made? 2. You choose a time span that will favour your argument. Extend the time span to 15 years and let's see how far. 3. So a LA Liga player that improves in EPL nullifies a certain notion BUT an EPL player that improves in LA Liga is proof that LA Liga is the best? Which kind of contradiction is this? 4. Was Pique the very best in England before moving to Spain? Forlan? Graveson? Woodgate? Was Henry the best player in England when he signed for Barcelona? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 3:11pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Atletico has made 2 CL finals check their ranking by UEFA as evidence
Competittion is what you used to console yourself
Between 2008 and 2013 6yrs French league had 6 different champions. Did you consider the league the best in Europe then?
But when Man utd won the EPL 3 times in a row, and EPL teams were making the CL finals for fun, Didnt you consider the EPL the best league?
In Africa Egyptian league has Ahly and Zamalek rotate it between themself, whereas Nigerian league new winner every year
If they ask you to choose one which one two league Egyptian and Nigerian which do you choose I don't make random arguments. Let's not diviate. Atletico made 2 finals but won how many? Chelsea made 2 finals in 4 years and won one. Man Utd made 2 finals in 3 years and won one. How many did Atletico win? 5 different teams from league A winning UCL vs 2 different teams from league B winning UCL........ Which of the leagues have a better representation in the UCL? A or B? OH... Its raumdeuter sef. I still think say na randomperson |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 2:52pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
randomperson: 1. Competitiveness doesn't mean or imply quality. Yes, only two teams from Spain have won UCL but those two teams have won more about ucls than the thousands of English teams combined...
2. And let's talk about Europa. Spanish teams are still dominating that competition, or is it barca and Madrid that are responsible for that too?
3. In the last four years, Atletico have made two UCL finals, and won the last Europa. Name any English team that measures up...
4. Yaya Toure was discarded by pep after one season and he came to epl and was forming boss. You don't discard tier one players like that...
Conversely, Alex Song went to barca after his best season in England and could only be playing in copa Del Rey matches against Spanish second division teams...
5. Silva and Aguero were just developing, they were not yet world beaters when they left Spain...
And since they left Spain, they have not bossed d UCL, they falter when they face Madrid or barca 1. So are you admitting England has more quality but not as competitive as Spain?  2. I won't engage you in a tier 2 competition in Europe. 3. Are we talking about teams that PLAYED in the final or those that actually WON it? How many UCL did Atletico won in those 4 years? And why don't you extend that your time line to 15 years and let's compare? 4. So if a coach favors one player over the other, it makes the latter second tier player? Can you prove that Yaya played just one season under Pep? 5. Developing? What do you mean by developing? Silva came to Man City as a 24 year old by which time he was already an European champion with Spain. Aguero came to Man City as a 23 year old, by then he has already won Europa League and Uefa Super Cup, has scored more than 70 goals for Atletico. What exactly were they developing? Both of these players were already established members of their team before City bought them. If these players at 23 and 24 are 'still developing' I wonder what we will say about 17, 18, 19 year Olds that are pushing for first team shirts... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:59pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
randomperson: There is no need for all this merry go round...
There are some things that manifestly show superiority and they include trophy count, head to head and player quality which can be easily judged by the amount of individual awards won by d players in champions league, ballon d or, and FIFA world best...
When it comes to trophy count, LA liga outperforms epl in both UCL and Europa. Not just in the past but even more so presently...
In head to head stats, LA liga teams are superior and if the last few years are anything to go by, the anal rape is not stopping any time soon for epl teams
And if you have want to judge by player quality, the only player who's won FIFA world best while playing in d epl is Ronaldo and it happened only once. Check d fifpro XI of the last few years, it's LA liga players dominating... That's statistical evidence
You have a right to your opinion but when your opinion is compared with actual facts, it turns out to be crap Competitiveness is when variety of teams win the UCL not when only two clubs win it from a particular league. Nottingham Forest is a European champion but where are they now? That's competition. Right from the onset, we know only two teams in Spain can win the UCL. It was like that 50 years ago. It is like that now. It will continue to be so.... I even intentionally overlooked the post where you said Atletico is better than all the teams in England. Can you prove that? And you still haven't proved that Costa, Aguero, De Gea, Silva, Toure are second tier.... I'm still waiting for that. It's good you are the one that said the bolded so let's scrutinise your opinion. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 12:54pm On Dec 28, 2018 |
randomperson: This is your argument as to why EPL is the best league in the world? You know best means quality right, not popularity..
1. When it comes to trophies in UCL and Europa, LA liga dwarfs England. in head to head, epl is eviscerated by LA liga
2. The best players in England end up in Spain... Henry, Beckham, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo... And second tier players in LA liga move to EPL and take over Costa, Silva, Aguero, De gea, Yaya Toure and a host of others...
LA liga has produced many more world bests.
So how exactly is epl better than LA liga...
And don't bring competitiveness oo because if it's that one, Nigerian League is the best in the world Why una like to dey one sided for una talk every time? 1. For every club you mention that won UCL in Spain, I will mention two in England....Agreed? 2. Can you prove that those second set of players you mentioned are second tier? What happened to Pique in England vs in Spain, ditto Forlan? Iago Aspas that was hot property in Celta, how did he fare in Liverpool? Did he register a single goal? Back at Spain, check his stats... How far with Jesus Navas of Seville vs Jesus Navas of Man City? The same Courtious that was a hero in Atletico suddenly became a basket in England. I don't know which is worst, calling players like Costa, Silva, Aguero, De Gea, Yaya Toure second tier OR thinking that any player imported from Spain bosses EPL...  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 6:52pm On Dec 27, 2018 |
Tuale raumdeuter. Tuale!
I don't agree with most of your opinions here but I gast admire your one-man-squad mentality.
Year in year out you dey here dey defend your opinions. You no dey ever tire.
You too much man! Tuale! |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 2:50pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
Griffon: I lost my mother two days ago. Damn! So sorry to hear this bro... May the God of all comfort be with you in this trying period (2nd Corinthians 1:3,4). Accept my condolences. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:02pm On Dec 24, 2018 |
diggz: [s]If n.a. me cancel your post now...shebi you for don start to lament or cry for my head? Anyways...miss nolata is still very useless injured or not[/s]  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 2:59pm On Dec 24, 2018 |
diggz:

[s]N.a. your useless 70mil unfortunate sissy of a striker LiLbros[/s]  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:18am On Dec 24, 2018 |
diggz: Why wont we miss the opportunity to cover the gap? When your 70mil sissy good for nothing striker have constantly been derailing our season with is uber useless. Ffs! How many matches have we not seen the cvnt make the bench again?
You should cover your face in shame oga LiLbros.... Now I don confirm say you dey obsessed with Morata. Please forgive me for ever arguing Morata with you. No vex I no go mention am again. Morata starts a match, it's his fault that we lose. Starts from the bench, still his fault. Now he is injured and out of the team, ITS STILL HIS FAULT THAT WE LOST! Chai.... Who do you this thing diggz? Which kind obsession be dis? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 5:55pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
Clear daylight at the top of table.
An opportunity to close the gap missed. Na wao... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 11:35pm On Dec 19, 2018 |
Na wao.... Spurs  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:21am On Dec 19, 2018 |
Ibime: The cancelled is all local nonsense. You went to bring local achievements because Pep does not have real achievements. Everything I cancelled, Mourinho achieved in LaLiga, I did not mention it.
No other achievement you mentioned was done without Messi et al. Pep is nothing but a Phil Scolari, with no achievements of his own. Carryalong manager. I never see this post when I type my own sef....  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 7:20am On Dec 19, 2018 |
Raumdeuter No be you dey call Hazard local champion whenever his stats is listed? Shebi na you no dey let us rest here with your 4-goals-in-open-play line? Now calm down and read Ibime post below again.... Ibime: Only 3 managers have won UCL with 2 different clubs - Mourinho, Ancelotti and Hitzfeld
Only three managers have won UCL without Messi and Ronaldo since they became World best duopoly 11 years ago - Mourinho, Heynckes and Di Matteo
Only two managers from outside the top 5 leagues have won UCL - Mourinho and Van Gaal
Only one manager has 4 European trophies across 3 different clubs - Mourinho
Only 1 manager has ever led Italian club to the treble - Mourinho
Only 1 manager has 2 trebles in 2 different leagues - Mourinho
Pep is a learner, no different to them Phil Scolari whose only major achievements are being carried along by the best players, with nothing to show outside of that. Now compare am with your reply.... sleekdot: Only 1 manager has won a sextuple - Guardiola Only 1 manager has played 7 consecutive semi finals - Guardiola Only 1 manager has ever made 100points in the EPL - Guardiola Only 1 manager had over 105 EPL goals in a season - Guardiola Only 1 manager has a goal difference of 79 in a season - Guardiola Only 1 manager won 18 consecutive EPL games - Guardiola Only 2 managers have won the EPL with 5 games to go - Guardiola
How is Mourinho different from Tony Pulis? Once his defensive boring tactics got found out he was slapped around by different clubs
When Pep left his 2 jobs, Management tried everything to extend him, and still hope he will return. Mourinho has been declared persona non grata at his last jobs
A dinosaur, a relic of the ancient Benitez, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes school of football Who be the local champion now? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 11:40am On Dec 18, 2018 |
Raumdeuter it's Bayern's turn to taste the Mourinho masterclass...
#KovacOut |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by timbros(m): 7:16pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Men vs Boys  Be afraid. Be very afraid...
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:34pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Dortmund are known bottlers Klopp was the bottler, not Dortmund |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:31pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Spurs of this season is also capable of beating Dortmund Spurs are known bottlers... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:31pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
BATE Borisov vs Arsenal |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:30pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Elnino4ladies: Malmo.... our Academy players can handle this Overconfidence... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:30pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Bayern of this season or last which is better? Bayern of this season is capable of beating Liverpool |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:28pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Malmo vs Chelsea |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:25pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: They played last season and spurs beat them home and away Dortmund of this season and last, which is better? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:24pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: What is the odds? More like 60 40 for Dortmund or even 65 35... Throw in the fact that, in the CL, Dortmund is the bigger club... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:15pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Bayern and Dortmund games are 50-50
While Schalke is 10-90
So how is that a fair bet? Tottenham Dortmund can't be 50 50 |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:12pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: So what about Schalke vs City
One game is already unfairly balanced and the other 2 even at 50-50 shows this isnt a balanced bet
A good one will be Chelsea no fit win title for $1,000 If I understand Ibime well, best of 3 means even a 2-1 is enough for you to win the bet... Dortmund dey fly high right now and you suppose trust your team to beat Liverpool. That's enough to win the bet |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:03pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: Abi oo
When the keeper dey mop up VVD mistakes na so we dey hear about him being the best in the world VVD slack vs Walcott, Alisson cover am up... VVD kept a clean sheet. BUT Alisson make mistake against Man United, we shouldn't expect VVD to bail him out. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 1:00pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
raumdeuter: When you already have a Schalke with 15 league point in 15 games battling relegation facing Man City thats having 44 points and near top of their table as one of the draws?
You think say na everyone dey enter bet without looking like you do?
Lets put a bet on it Chelsea does not win the league $100. But you guys can win Liverpool. And bottlers will always be bottlers  The bet looks good for you... |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 12:58pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
airmark: Timbros is one of us at aparisports, thats how we roll. Na sin for VVD to correct him keeper mistake? His top notch positioning landed him right there in the crime scene. Why not mop up for your GK? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by timbros(m): 12:55pm On Dec 17, 2018 |
Ibime: Raumdeuter, come and back your assertion that Bundesliga is better than EPL with money. We have 3 EPL vs Bundesliga ties here. Let's wager best of 3 for $100. Do you need a Boardman to formalise things? I don't want stories after. E be like say you dey Naija currently... |