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bahaushe1:
I believe you got the message.

The state presidential collation officer has no business collating other results. One is not even required to compare the results at ward or LGA level talkless the state and national.

All these will only make the process cumbersome. It should be the responsibility of political parties to do so.

Thanks for making it clearer..
This now means, Nigerians now have a very valid means of verifying the credibility of elections??

bahaushe1:
You didn't get me right. Accreditation figures for senate, house of representatives, and presidential elections must be the same.


I was trying to explain how difficult it would be for state collation officer for presidential election to have access to the results and accreditation figures of senate and house of reps election, compare same with presidential before announcing the result and submitting it to Abuja for further collation.

Ok bro.. We're still saying the same thing.
Thanks all the same.

Eden007:
I have not followed any thread like i have followed this one.
I am gathering data for Akwa Ibom state.

Thanks. Nice One..

PeacenLove2:
No it's not baseless .... it's an explanation why the numbers don't tally. Learn to remove sentiments from issues, so you can have better understanding. Be slow to speak they say.

The main aim of this thread is to establish the theory, and it had been established.
Now, next thing is to test it with figures.
I have seen the criticisms, and yours too.
But none affected the validity of the theory.
Now, I can go ahead to gather the data needed to test it.
Have a nice day.

Elthugnificent:
That's not what he said, he only pointed out the fact that it won't be easily to get data for that Senate and house rep for comparison; simply because there are different collation officer for the three vacant seats.

They are not the ones to gather the data and do the analysis.
The analysis is supposed to be a tool which we (Nigerians) are supposed to use in checking their fairness and credibility.
Their main work is to count the votes, collate the votes, and announce the winners.
I am currently gathering the information.
I will publish figures soon

unmask:
I understand the OPs point..... but I think it will be extremely dumb and unlikely for anyone to have different accreditation figures for the presidential senate and HOR.


If it is also not compulsory to collect the 3 ballot papers, it will also be difficult to prove from number of votes casted, except if Inec has records of ballot papers used and unused (that in itself might not be tenable)


The only way it can most likely be proved is if the number of accredited voters via the card readers are less than total votes cast

My brother, you said that it is extremely dumb and unlikely for the figures to be different??
Very Good..
Read below..
An INEC staff is trying to tell you that the figures can never be the same.. He even gave his own flawed reasons..

bahaushe1:
It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.


I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.


It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

bahaushe1:
It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.

I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.

It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

It's like you're an INEC official?? Or closely related to one??
Welcome to the thread my brother..
You are going to be the one with the golden solution to this very problem.
We just need the final declared senatorial results.
Do you have them with you??

bahaushe1:
It is practically not possible. The collation officers were different.

I was a ward collation officer for the presidential election and along with me was a colleague who collated results of the National assembly elections from the same ward.

Similar arrangement was made at LGA collation cetres.

From the LGA collation centre result of membership to house of representatives are announced and winners returned. Result of senate is taken the senatorial district collation centre while that of the presidential election is taken to INEC state headquarters.

It is not feasible to gather all these results and make comparison between accepting presidential election result from a state. Even if it is feasible the collation officers won't be there to offer explanation should discrepancies be found.

Please my brother, answer this question below..
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If you bought 1000 mangoes, 1000 oranges, and 1000 pineaples at Abuja and wanted to send them to Lagos by all means possible.
You packaged the 1000 mangoes in a box and way-billed it to your house address in Lagos, you sent the 1000 oranges through public transport so you can pick it up at their park when you get to Lagos, and then carried the remaining 1000 pineapples in your car.
When you reach to your house in Lagos, and after getting the bag at the park and the way-billed box waiting at the front door, and opened everything and counted them again, how many mangoes and oranges and pineapples are you now supposed to be having with you??
(I really need you to answer this)..
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See my brother,, what we (Nigerians) sent you guys (INEC) to do is very simple..
Just count the votes that we have casted, and tell us how many they are.
And not to be asking your colleagues about their own.,, so as to know how many you should add or subtract..
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The same number you were counting was also the same number your colleague was counting.. (It's Simple Logic)..
Nothing changed..
(Unless you guys went and started counting something else)
You guys grouped yourselves into different groups and counted the votes that came to you guys in three different categories, and they are all THE SAME NUMBERS in their three different categories.
It should STILL be the same vote, no matter who counted it..
So, my brother, don't just go there..
Don't even use that as an excuse..

k2039:
Abuja has only one senatorial district.

So the presidential/ Senate accredited voters should tally for Abuja.

Unfortunately I can't even find anything about the number of accredited voters for the Senate.

I have been online looking for information about other states for about an hour. I can say it's practically hard to get the accredited number of voters for the 3 senatorial districts in a states.

At best I saw one for some states.

This kind of information should be on Inec's website, sadly, it's not

INEC is still very very very far..
You know, I just put the logic forward so that fellow Nigerians can test its validity with me..
So that I can get to work in finding the figures..
The figures I need are not online..
I need to dig for it.
One thing is, INEC have already announced their figures. They can't take them back again to correct them..

Nukilia:
@tk4rd, may your days be long. Threads like this makes me have hope in the future of this country. I believe you have provided jobs for data analysts all over the country. A true reflection of the result would be revealed after adequate statistical analysis.

I hope we can have an independent organization which would take up these data and analyze them for the people. We'll all be shocked to see the outcome...

Thank you once again for thinking correctly!

Thanks..
The details of the information needed for the analysis is not online. So, I would get it from my friends who are party agents, Or apply Directly to INEC Itself..

callthefred:
This very moment I believe truly we have many "educated illitrates" in this country. The op was clear enough. He wasn't for any party but simply questioned why the number of accredited voters not votes recorded differs between senatorial figures and presidential figures.

We got accredited once and not seprately so in the law of common sense we should be having same figures in the acreditation. This has nothing to do with votes.

I voted YPP, PDP and Accord but my unit recorded the same number of accreditation for all 3.

At any P.U where there is sane election, it will tally. For any PU where there is mass voting in any way, it won't tally.
Then, the main place of massive manipulation is the Local Govt collation offices and state collation offices. They would just add any value they like and alter the number of accredited voters so as to be mathematically correct., not knowing that there are other loopholes they are not fixing.

alexistaiwo:
Someone should please compile the individual total number of accredited voters for Lagos and Kano state senatorial and House of reps seats and compare to the number of accredited voters presented at INEC headquarters during the presidential elections announcement.


If they tally, I will deactivate my moniker.

My brother, don't promise yet..
These people don't deserve any promise at-all.

PeacenLove2:
The only way this argument will work is if number of voters is more than accredited.

For instance, did you not hear Banky W said one polling unit in his area did not have House of Assembly sheet?


There will be many likely cases .... bringing total number of voters for all the categories different. So to collate result, they may choose not to use a uniform accredited number, but a different one based on provision of resources for each area, for the 3 categories.

Again, the only way this would fly is if total number of voters exceeds accredited. No case here, fellas.

@Bolded..
So, whose fault?? Banky's fault??
Baseless Defence..

unmask:
I understand the OPs point..... but I think it will be extremely dumb and unlikely for anyone to have different accreditation figures for the presidential senate and HOR.


If it is also not compulsory to collect the 3 ballot papers, it will also be difficult to prove from number of votes casted, except if Inec has records of ballot papers used and unused (that in itself might not be tenable)


The only way it can most likely be proved is if the number of accredited voters via the card readers are less than total votes cast

Answering to the first bolded statement, We have already established that under normal circumstances, they should not have different figures, but then, in the reality of INEC which we saw ourselves in, there are huge differences..
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Answering to the second bolded statement, it's like you didn't follow the election results declaration closely?? INEC did manual accreditation without card-readers in some places, and they allowed it to count.
So, what are you saying?

ridbell01:
guy you mean this is what you will tell court when you get there?

Which court is this guy here talking about??
Did I mention court anywhere here for goodness sake?

olatunyemi:
This is really making sense but I am not sure if it will change anything

It may or may not change anything,, but it will definitely make me happy to see the discrepancies and laugh while I post it on all my social media pages.

femi4:
its not possible since we have three ballot papers. Some people collected ballot papers based on their interest i.e presidential ballot paper alone and ignore others

Are you really a bright Nigerian??
Let me not insult you please..
Go back and read the same post you quoted.
Read it seven times, and make sure you understand it well before quoting me again.

litdutchboy:
INEC is so far refusing to release the card readers to show the number of accredited voters according to PDP in several Northern states. The truth is that if the card readers are released to ascertain the number of accredited voters in each state -the election will be cancelled. There was massive rigging by both APC and PDP.
Nigerians politicians have been rigging elections since 1960.

Nobody is asking them to release any card reader..
They have already released all the information needed.
It is left for us to gather them together and use them.

Bennycollins:
Charade of an election! Over a million votes unaccounted for in election that there was simultaneous accreditation and voting. Or did some people collect ballot papers and went home with them.

That was my first question.. With the system of “accreditate and vote”, was there supposed to be any difference between accredited voters and total votes cast?

shosky1794:
You will be doing permutations and calculations till 2023 elections. All these your logics and points are not enough to overturn any presidential elections. Go and find out what happened in 2003. The presidential election result in Ogun State(OBJ state) was canceled by the court but that was not enough to overturn the whole presidential result

The post is not seeking to overturn any announced result.. The post is just aimed at getting interested Nigerians to see the big joke which INEC is.

chakula:
What of that manual accreditation?

Explain better please..
Was the manual accreditation not counted? Even if it was manual accreditation that was done in all the wards in the state, was it not the same ONE manual accreditation that was done on each voter before being given three ballot papers to vote??

See this link for more INEC errors in this past election..
It's just a simple logic.
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https://www.nairaland.com/5050598/simple-logic-presidential-accreditation-should
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The total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state.,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once on each voter.
But the results are showing us something totally different, and Nigerians are very okay with it..

See this link for more INEC errors in this past election..
It's just a simple logic.
...
https://www.nairaland.com/5050598/simple-logic-presidential-accreditation-should
...
The total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state.,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once on each voter.
But the results are showing us something totally different, and Nigerians are very okay with it..

See this link for more INEC errors in this past election..
It's just a simple logic.
...
https://www.nairaland.com/5050598/simple-logic-presidential-accreditation-should
...
The total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state.,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once on each voter.
But the results are showing us something totally different, and Nigerians are very okay with it..

See this link for more INEC errors in this past election..
It's just a simple logic.
...
https://www.nairaland.com/5050598/simple-logic-presidential-accreditation-should
...
The total accredited voters for the presidential election officially announced in any state should be equal to the sum of the total accredited voters for the senatorial elections officially announced in all the senatorial zones in the same state, and same thing should be the case for all the federal constituencies in the state.,, since the accreditation for the presidential, senatorial, and house of representatives elections were done at the same time on each voter, and it was done just once on each voter.
But the results are showing us something totally different, and Nigerians are very okay with it..

The most painful part is that the news media are only interested in the winners and the losers.
These figures that we would need to drive 6-inches nails into INEC's head cannot be gotten in the news. It can only be gotten by formally and “officially” applying to INEC.

If INEC were smart as they claimed, they would have made sure that all the figures from the Presidential, Senatorial, and House of Reps elections were minimally varied before going public with them..
They never knew that the loophole would be noticed.

jojomario:
It's is not compulsory you collect all the ballot papers. I can decide to collect for Senatorial and leave the rest. The argument is not real.

With your comment in mind, please, can you also explain the huge differences in the “Number of Accredited Voters” for the three separate elections,, since every voter was accredited just Once for the three separate elections, and not differently??

KunleyY19:
Omo-Agege of APC pulled more votes as APC than The president and HOR combined in most LGA...

So

So, was that the reason the “Number of Accredited Voters” varied too??
Senseless defence.

helinues:
In that scenario, manipulations happened somehow..

But that's not the case nationwide right?

That's just the aim of this thread..
I just want to establish the fact that there were gross manipulations in all the states..
And, let us analyse INEC by ourselves and discover the states with the most manipulations..
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Are We Together??
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(Please, Read The Original Post Again)

helinues:
@ op you are wrong.

Some people only voted for presidency, some Senate and some Rep.. It all depends on where there interest lies..

So how about in SE where people voted massively for Senate and Reps position for Apc but only few voted for Buhari.. How about that?

In Senatorial district where Buhari come from, he won Pdp in presidential with big marging but the senate seats when to ApGa or so not even Pdp. How about that?

Now tell me..
You were accredited only ONCE, to vote for three posts..
One Accreditation.. Not Twice..
Now, after the results were called, the number of accredited voters pulled together varied so widely for the three elections, for which accreditation was done just ONCE..
My brother, can you explain that too??
Why did Number of Accredited Voters in a state so different from the sum of the Accredited Voters in the senatorial zones of the same state?

The mods won't push this topic to the front page and get Nigerians thinking..
Lalasticlala, if you dey find snake inside this thread, they are the ones wearing green reflective jackets with tags of “INEC Official” pinned on them..
cc. Mynd44