feelamong:

Excellent thread, Really cant farm,

But a trader to the bones, looking for any oppurtunity to sell any of the farm products,

Keep the information flowing, Pls farmers when the harvest season starts do keep us posted too

lol. okay

before u can mas.sturbate, u must think of a woman or be lusting after something

and im sure its written in the bible somewhere that lusting after women is a sin

so how do you separate lust from mas.sturbation?

when una open this thread?

Economics? wouldnt have studied any other thing apart from Econs in the Uni

will i pursue another degree in Econs? not sure

Ill only say ill love to teach Economics some day sha

Nice thread

keeping close tab on it

ode remo:

i have learnt a lot frm this thread.
i am into farming around abeokuta and remo area, good thing is the amount of energy around these axis, wealth of experience, advice , research etc. not all roses but to fail is not an option.

what are you into?

AjanleKoko:

Interesting stuff. And very ambitious.
Talk soon.

if ure around, lemme know so i can holla

coded guy:

hat will Wenger do or what can he do

Next are
Spuds
Liverpool
AC Milan
Newcastle
Everton

The bumpy ride continues

i hope they dont slide to 9th with these fixtures

moremi2008:

Bros, you too dey famz, haba! Kilode?!

u dont know Fhemmy on Nairaland?

haba

chreld_b:

Please excuse the typos

we can talk outside NL if you dont mind

Thanks guys

Ive got a lot of vital info from this thread already

im happy

adelegan1:

adelegan1111@gmail.com

ill send you an email too


ahhh, i need to send plenty emails tonight oh

Hi Fhemmy

you can take off your number. Ill send you sms so you can have my number an my Gmail addy

lastpage:

Imagine the gamut of "unnecessary steps" in these circuitous process?

With proper technology in place (assuming we have the electricity to drive it), all these "time-wasting" is unwarranted.

No wonder goods disappear, get "eaten" by Wharf Rats and the rest get bought at knock-down prices by the same NPA staff who create all this bottle neck! Just look at the number of people that are involved and the cost of maintaining such labor force?

Imagine if "Asian/Chinese goods delivery process" was like this, would they ever become a trading giant?

NPA and its operators need to take a lesson from "Port Operations" in a place like Shenzhen in China.

Lastpage!

been to shenzhen oh bros, i fear

Our corrupt tendencies wont let them firm up our processes

the longer the process, the more the kickbacks

occam:

Some of the problems you listed aren’t peculiar to agriculture alone but are experienced in other industries in Nigeria.

Agribusiness (I deliberately use this term) encompasses seed supply, farming, food marketing, packaging and exporting. Sadly, most people only understand the farming aspect and spend all their energy and time cultivating large hectares of land without proper planning and strategy on getting the food to consumers.

Like any other business, understanding consumer needs is the first step to success. A detailed marketing analysis will help identify key segments (direct consumers, food industry, Poultry farms, industrial users and exporters) and size of each potential segment. For instance, maize is consumed as popcorn, cereal, ogi, eko, used for feeding animals etc. So these are your products; not maize. Farming is only the means to an end and not your end goal.

Don’t simply start rice; maize; cassava farming etc rather develop a detailed business plan on how to serve potential customers and which aspect of the agribusiness you want to start with. As your business grows you can integrate vertically or horizontally.    

Agribusiness can be capital intensive and not for the faint hearted. However, it can be very lucrative; albeit a long term venture.

[b]@OP I'll be very wary of rice production because of Nigerians' fondness for polished, imported rice. Ensure you develop a solid plan with risk assessment before you invest your capital.
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hehe

i don jam another learned colleague

Thanks. This venture isnt a short term thing. I want to start with the hope of becoming big many years after

so, its not a wuru wuru to the answer scheme.

There is a detailed market analysis already and ill re-jig with some of the points/issues raised here

Thats the essence of this thread. To hear from outsiders

@Fhemmy

i see you. Thanks bro

i dey hustle so i go fit buy x-6

netotse:

@tkb
will do. . .of which say I dey beef you o, you just vamoosed like that. . .na so e be?

no vex

too many things to do. how work?

okay this question

Guys have been advising me not to do a large scale farm

do you consider 20 hectares to be large scale

The costs of planting, land preparation, labour, harvesting, storing, cleaning and sorting, bagging and taking to the market is about N12-N15million for 80 hectares!

so how big is 20 hectares?

moremi2008:

I still can't imagine a scenario under which large-scale commercial rice farming can be successful as an entrepreneurial endeavor without large government subsidies and large financing. You just can't compete with the costs and quality of rice from Asia. They have been growing rice for centuries and have this thing down to nuclear science. Do you have access to a HUGE supply of labor that you'll require to farm rice? Or are you planning on buying large, expensive machinery that can cost millions of dollars? Besides, how do you intend to process yields properly? Rice needs to be milled and polished. Or is your plan to target the local rice market where some dirt and husk is permissible? Please thread cautiously; don't allow your researcher friends form IITA mislead you with assurances based on lab experience. Rice farming is too labor-intensive/capital intensive to be handled on a small scale and without sound government subsidies and you don't want to build your business on the feeble assurances of a government that will be gone in a few years.

Plantain farming is potentially lucrative if you can figure out a way to get your goods to the market in excellent condition and if you can secure your yield from thieves. Please before you start any serious investing, talk to other farmers that have tried and failed (I am sure there are many and they aren't all stu-pid/incompetent. Don't rely on the well-publicized success stories of Obasanjo Farms (that farm is just a hobby; Baba made all his money from thief-thief). Good luck!

Thanks

1) there is market for our local rice side by side with the more better ones from abroad. I know the prices vary yeah, but every grain of rice no matter the quality in this country is taken up in the market. even our local ofada which isnt pure is more expensive than the imported rice

2) im doing about 80 hectares in Kura, Kano with some people already and its a success already. There is a facility (for NCRI) in zaria that we use for thrashing, cleaning, sorting before bagging. Let me tell you, local production of rice is ongoing in Nigeria and the challenge is how to scale up to reduce imports. the veetees of this world are foreigners and they grow rice too in the same way, the same technology, the same processes im gonna use. The kura experience is times 4 of what i wanna do solo

3) Is Obasanjo into rice? i know those who grow rice and ive rolled with them, dined with them and i speak to them daily. Even the foreign ones

4) Labour actually is the least of my problem as rice isnt grown in the city.

Nice points and im working at addressing the risks highlighted on ths thread

occam:

Agribusiness in Nigeria is clearly overlooked given the immense opportunity. That said, the risks can be very high at the beginning, so it must be a long term venture.

Also, specialization is key given the various aspects of agribusiness: input production (seedlings), animal husbandry, farm production, processing, storage, packaging, export and so on

The huge investments in Fixed assets (land, building, farm equipment, milling equipment, generators etc) can be leveraged as collateral for future expansion.

Thanks bro

chreld_b:

This is my own 2 kobo

1). Farming looks very attractive theoretically on paper, but practically there are always unforseen detriments. And it takes a great deal of experience to bypass these obstcles.

2). Do not trust wholheartedly any agricultural policy concerning agricultural development. Year in year out the government always comes up with the same old story of how it intends on developing the nations agricultural industry, but nothing is ever done practically. A very good example is the 2 billion dollar agric loan that was released during the Yaradua's administration. Till today I am yet to see anyone come out to claim that they were beneficiaries to that loan scheme. So what happened to the money? If you have been priviledged to challenge government officials on why the state of agriculture is so pathetic. I can assure you that the response you will get is that they know what to do but are not been given the chance to because the government simply does not care.  

3). Even in developed countries, grains such as rice and maize are subsidised by the government to encourage the farmers to continue production and strengten food security for the populace

4). Lastly I am glad for you that you are in correspondence with some research scientists at IITA very necessary. But however, take cognisance of the fact that field or laboratory reseach breakthrough does not necessarily equate to commercial benefits. Pilot programmes have to be set up to verify the scientific findings commercially wise. That's why agriculturally related scientists seldom own farms cos they know this fact. But they will encourage people to go into farming because of their potential consultancy benefits.


In conclusion I think you should take your time and do not be in a rush to establish your dream farm in order to avoid making any mistake. Try and dialogue with an older and experienced non professional farmer. Such a persom would be more pragmatic in his advise than an enthusiastic young scientist. The agricultural industry in Nigeria is truly a sleeping giant but to succeed you have to find a way to beat the system. Everything I have said is as a result of experience, practically and scientifically.  

God bless you

I think the points above echoes what everyone has been saying

1) do a pilot scheme

2) reduce the scale

3) learn from those doing it

4) have a sound financial model and be sure of financing without dabbling into personal cash

5) do not trust govt policies

6) zero technology to meet up with foreign standard

7) think of export

and some more

cool. thanks

oyb:

ya oga get im own runs

u no go talk?

abeg make i hear ur own point oh


i dey document everythn on this thread

goshen360:

You can email me and I will love to connect you to my Dad back home so both of you can work together. We've got so much breeding stock for sales. You know what am talking about. Mine is goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. God bless you bro.

okay bro

ill do that this evening