Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 1:09pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
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Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 1:09pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
otua ka odi nwanna rapu sie fa ka fa decievebe onye ha udo diri igbo nine oka ora m naonu bigfrancis21: @bold...there's actually nothing like 'more igbo' terms. 'enya', 'enye' and 'anya' are merely dialect variations of the same word just as we have humour/humor, flavour/flavor, doughnut/donut, Anaemia/Anemia in British and American Englishes. 'Igbo' is a generic word used to refer to any bia-speaking group that speaks an Igboid dialect as first language. No clan speaks 'Igbo'. If everybody is to go individually, then you would have people speaking 'Owerri language' and not 'Igbo' (after all it is owerri language they are speaking and it is different from what you call 'Igbo' which is central Igbo made up from several Igbo dialects), 'Awka language', 'Nkanu language', 'Ohaozara language', 'Ngwa language', 'Idemili language', 'Onitsha language' etc. Among people who identify as Igbo, they recognize there are numerous Igbo dialects under the 'Igbo' umbrella, hence when they hear a speaker speak, they identify him/her as from 'Onicha', 'Owerri', 'Nnewi', 'Awka', or 'Etche' part of greater Igboland, same way for Ika or Ukwuani or Ikwerre. There is a difference between 'dialect' and 'language'. Dialects are merely variations of the same language. Meanwhile, two spoken speeches can be called languages (different from each other) when there is, at least, 95% incoherence between both speeches. Thus, French and English are 2 different languages but Nigerian English and Ghanaian English are merely dialects of the same language, English.
In the past, and till today, bia-speaking Igbo clans didn't and still don't have a colonialist mentality to colonize others and impose their language on others. Rather, as a community, family unit or village grew in numbers and expanded, some members left to uninhabited areas to establish themselves, carrying with them the parent dialect, which became modified in certain words with time, to create a different sub-dialect of the original one. Thus, any bia-speaking person today who speaks an Ibo dialect as first language is authentically Igbo. His forefather wasn't forced nor oppressed into speaking the language, but was born by birth into the language, which was in turn passed down generation to generation and to the modern-day speaker.
This is not to start a 'Ukwuani are Igbo vs Ukwuani not Igbo debate', but I thought I'd give you a linguistic view of the issue and why researchers and authors still continue to classify 'Ukwuani' as an Igbo dialect despite some Ukwuani refusing to acknowledge they speak an Igbo dialect and are under the 'Igbo' umbrella, by linguistic terms. |
Crime › Re: Security Agencies Link Uwais’ Son To Mutallab’s Bomber Son by tonychristopher: 1:07pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
Omooba77: MOHAMMED, the third son of former Chief Justice of Nigeria (CJN), Justice Mohammed Uwais, who allegedly joined bloody terrorist group, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), has been established to have close relationship with Umaru, the jailed suicide bomber son of the former chairman of FirstBank, Alhaji Abdul Mutallab.
Security information obtained by the Nigerian Tribune on Sunday night revealed that on the Christmas day in 2009 when Umaru made a failed attempt to bomb himself alongside 288 passengers in a Detroit-bound 253 flight, Mohammed was the last person to speak with him before he boarded.
Though the content of the conversation was not revealed, Mohammed’s number was said to have been picked as the last caller on Umaru’s call-log before he switched off his mobile-phone and then the failed attempt by the trained engineer to end his life in a suicide bombing attempt.
Umaru, known as the underwear bomber, was jailed for life on January 2, 2012 and serving his prison term at the United States Penitentiary, Florence ADX, near Florence, Colorado.
It was learnt that on the strength of the conversation between the duo, security agencies in Nigeria had moved to pick Mohammed, but powerful forces allegedly stepped in for him, shielding him from arrest.
However, he was said to have remained on the radar of both local and international security forces, though the surveillance around him was reportedly lowered at a point, considering that he was seen to be doing his legitimate business.
He was into automobile importation before he allegedly moved his two wives and children out of the country and eventually traced to ISIS in Syria.
A family source also revealed that Mohammed might have deliberately left his wives and kids in Dubai, United Arab Emirates, before heading for his alleged adventure in Syria.
The first wife is said to be a national of Malaysia, where Mohammed studied, while the second is a Nigerian.
The second wife reportedly told her family she wanted to quickly visit Dubai, before the entire family left the country.
The family is said to be stranded in Dubai, though not broke, according to a close family source. http://www.tribune.com.ng/news/news-headlines/item/31460-security-agencies-link-uwais-son-to-mutallab-s-bomber-son all i have tio ask is what is actually the problem with islam i consider most islam stupid, how can people practise such a base and confused religion, killng people daily |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 1:06pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
Radoillo: Me sef, that uze/osa thing is confusing. Don't know which is which. Nchi appears to be grass cutter, and ewi rabbit.
Badgers? Do we have actual badgers in Igboland. I don't know oo. nna, wa hat is your take on this odum, agu , awulu quagmire? i know that you dont find tigers in africa so how come we have name for such..what is then the name of kangaroo? |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 1:02pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
zendy: Igbos speak Ikwere language?? What's that nonsense supposed to mean? So the 5 Igbo states came down to your tiny Ikwere kingdom to 'borrow' your language? Look,I don't know if you're just another Ikwere man who chooses to deny being Igbo because of the politics of oil but don't insult Igbos with such insinuation because of your "identity crisis" ina atupuru ndi mbamiri dichara confused onu? |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 12:55pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger
the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER.
One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger
the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER.
Cheetahs and Leoprd look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu.
Cheetahs have solid black round/oval spots and black "tear lines" that run from the corner of their eyes down the sides of their nose to their mouth (the lines keep sunlight out of the cheetahs' eyes while hunting). They're also lankier than rest of the big cats and have smaller jaws and longer tails. They hunt during the day and rely on bursts of speed (up to 75mph over short distances). When walking and running, they pace, moving their two left legs and then their two right legs. Unlike leopards and other big cats, they can purr while they inhale, but can't roar.
Leopards have more complex spotting pattern of clusters of black and brown spots which look like roses, called rosettes. This pattern simulates shifting plants and shadows, providing camoflage as the leopards stalk their prey from tall grass and underbrush. Leopards in eastern Africa have circular rosettes, while their southern African brethren have square rosettes. Leopards are also noticeably bulkier looking than cheetahs. They're not built for speed, but surprise attacks. The extra strength helps leopards drag their prey up trees, where hide the kill to feed on at their leisure. Leopards walk using their legs in diagonal pairs (i.e. left front and right back leg, then right front and left back leg). Like the rest of the big cats, leopards can roar but can't purr except while they're exhaling.
Cheetahs and Leoprd look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu.
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Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 12:49pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
Plus234: Sport the different
Lion--agu Tiger--odum Leopard.. agụ owuru/agu ogbu ] ezigbo asi ka in asi nna One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER. One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER. Cheetahs and Leoprd look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu. Cheetahs have solid black round/oval spots and black "tear lines" that run from the corner of their eyes down the sides of their nose to their mouth (the lines keep sunlight out of the cheetahs' eyes while hunting). They're also lankier than rest of the big cats and have smaller jaws and longer tails. They hunt during the day and rely on bursts of speed (up to 75mph over short distances). When walking and running, they pace, moving their two left legs and then their two right legs. Unlike leopards and other big cats, they can purr while they inhale, but can't roar. Leopards have more complex spotting pattern of clusters of black and brown spots which look like roses, called rosettes. This pattern simulates shifting plants and shadows, providing camoflage as the leopards stalk their prey from tall grass and underbrush. Leopards in eastern Africa have circular rosettes, while their southern African brethren have square rosettes. Leopards are also noticeably bulkier looking than cheetahs. They're not built for speed, but surprise attacks. The extra strength helps leopards drag their prey up trees, where hide the kill to feed on at their leisure. Leopards walk using their legs in diagonal pairs (i.e. left front and right back leg, then right front and left back leg). Like the rest of the big cats, leopards can roar but can't purr except while they're exhaling. Cheetahs and Leopard look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu. |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 12:43pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger
the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER.
One thing that i am getting here is that the concept of cheetah and leoprad is confusing people, but i will put an end to this lovely and intellectual debate here by umunne m. Tigers are not native to Africa so there is no Igbo names for Tiger
the big cats or felines that are found in africa are lion, Cheetah and leopalds that all found in Africa,Tiger is indeginous to Asia. SO THERE IS NO IGBO WORD OR AFRICAN WORD FOR TIGER.
Cheetahs and Leoprd look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu.
Cheetahs have solid black round/oval spots and black "tear lines" that run from the corner of their eyes down the sides of their nose to their mouth (the lines keep sunlight out of the cheetahs' eyes while hunting). They're also lankier than rest of the big cats and have smaller jaws and longer tails. They hunt during the day and rely on bursts of speed (up to 75mph over short distances). When walking and running, they pace, moving their two left legs and then their two right legs. Unlike leopards and other big cats, they can purr while they inhale, but can't roar.
Leopards have more complex spotting pattern of clusters of black and brown spots which look like roses, called rosettes. This pattern simulates shifting plants and shadows, providing camoflage as the leopards stalk their prey from tall grass and underbrush. Leopards in eastern Africa have circular rosettes, while their southern African brethren have square rosettes. Leopards are also noticeably bulkier looking than cheetahs. They're not built for speed, but surprise attacks. The extra strength helps leopards drag their prey up trees, where hide the kill to feed on at their leisure. Leopards walk using their legs in diagonal pairs (i.e. left front and right back leg, then right front and left back leg). Like the rest of the big cats, leopards can roar but can't purr except while they're exhaling.
Cheetahs and Leoprd look very much alike just the line between Cheeta eyes differenciates it fromleopard. Both are called agu.
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Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 12:41pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
pazienza: Nwanne, ajuju gi a, bu nno, question for the gods o! Haha!
Ikwerre is whatever they choose to be. kwuo eziokwu how can one choose whatever, it then means that gods are not wise maka chukwu kere ikwerre igbo mana hanwa wee si na ha abughi igbo....lol nsogbu adighi |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 12:23pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
Plus234: Sport the different
Lion--agu Tiger--odum Leopard.. agụ owuru/agu ogbu |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 10:39am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Radoillo: I do not think the swallow answers to the description of Eneke Nti Oba. The most marked physical feature of Eneke Nti Oba was said to be it's prominent ears. As birds don't generally have external ears, I'm thinking the large ears may be refer to the prominent ear tufts observed in many species of eagle-owl.
I propose that Eneke Nti Oba could be the eagle-owl.  correck eneke nti oba will be a kind of ikwikwi but what is the basic different between uze and osa i know they are both rodents but the uze and osa is what i cant differentiate l just like ewi and nchi both are rodents what of barger that rodents i need these info cos i did not grow up na village so i did not hunt, i missed that, now my 7 year old daughter will ask me what do they call hippo in igbo, what do they call whale etc in igbo, she assumes that i am a walking igbo encarta encyclopeadia |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 10:34am On Mar 09, 2015 |
kingstony2k: Lion = Agu leopard = awolo. Tiger = Odum As my great grandma told me during folk tales hmmmm Tiger is not found in Africa and i do not think that we have igbo name for tiger but also dont mistake cheetah, pumah and other felines for tiger LION IS ODUM LEOPARD IS AGU AWOLO CAN BE EITHER CHEETAH OR ANY FELINE SPOTTED ANIMAL BUT NOT STRIPPED TIGER...THEY ARE NOT FOUND IN AFRICA ITS LIKE ASKING WHAT DO IGBO CALL KAMGAROOO So umunne let us not mistake this felines for sake of posterity |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 10:31am On Mar 09, 2015 |
kingstony2k: wild rat= ewi.
baby lizard. = nwatiti/nwantiti
monitor lizard = Ulor/Uloh NOOOO.... MONITOR LIZARD IS CALLED NGWERE AWO IN MY PLACE OF ANAMBRA Amaghi ihe ndi mbamiri igbo na akpo ya mana anyi nwa bu side nnewi south na agbo monitor lizard ngwere awo while croc anyi na akpo ya agu iyi ] kedu ife ichere nna? |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 10:29am On Mar 09, 2015 |
pazienza: HopeAthand, wune come and give us Ikwerre versions of these names for animals. LEAVE HOPEATHAND, ONA AGBA OSO, AND PLS IF I MAY ASK, IS IKWERRE NOW IGBO? |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 7:04am On Mar 09, 2015*. Modified: 10:36am On Mar 09, 2015 |
LovelyLilac: ibuzo and ibusa are different. confusion They are same nne Just like saying onicha and onitsha Owere and owerri Enugu and enugwu ahaba and asaba ukwuani and kwale |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 6:25am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Rexxie: If Dog=Nkita and Hyena= Nkita ofia (which i believe means Bush dog),then whats the Igbo name or word for the real BUSH DOG? Hyena is edi abali |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 6:17am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Illogicality Adegbodolu1: You cannot associate the above with the calculating Yoruba people.
You can associate it fully with my Eastern brethren. Who prosecutes a civil war on raw emotions and eh.........cutlasses? The people east of the Niger.  |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 9:17pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
Adegbodolu1: Who need our advise? The IGBOs.
They are nothing without Yoruba's acceptance and recognition. Always seeking Yoruba's acknowledgement.
We are the pathfinders, Igbo follow but make too much noise. Delusion |
Culture › Re: Comprehensive List Of Animals In Igbo Language by tonychristopher: 7:56pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
omonuan: Eneke is Swallow of the Hirundinidae family of birds and in some countries they are also called martins.
For the Anioma people Lion is Awolo although some would recognize Odum too. Lion. Is odum Leopard is awolo That's what igbo call them Tigers are not found in Africa |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 7:11pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
1toRtoiSe1: then stop whining. You can't expect people to spoonfeed you like newborns. If you want an igbo channel, go get it. Who is whining ..is it not you that is crying more than the bereaved Igbo gives you heart attack always |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 7:05pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
ChristyG: Ibo animals are always whinning and crying like d losers dey are.it is now Yoruba fault that there is no Ibo channel?oh u don't own nollywood,u are just CO-OWNERS like other tribes.nollywood has gone past those useless chewing gum films that u idiots produce,we now see more quality movies.kunle afolayan movie won most of d awards at d amvca yesterday,the highest grossing Nigerian movie was done by a Yoruba man(ay makun),so how do u own it? so u guys can continuing hating,ur movies are useless and there is no market for it,stop claiming nollywood,useless tribe.bunch of haters....  Such a shame of a woman Bunch of simpliton...who wants a clanish movie where we can potray our culture globally Gbegiri movies are for gbegiri people not global so play in your backyard..we are playing international |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 7:00pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
This is the problem with you people ...always advising Who need your advise 1toRtoiSe1: This is where you people get it wrong. I believe you'll still find a way to blame the yorubas for your dying ibo language, forgetting that you guys. Failed to promote it.
One of your colleagues is already laughing at yoruba movie subtitling. How come those that can speak good english don't have their own dstv station?
If south africa decides not to give ibos a station, why blame the yorubas? |
TV/Movies › Re: Television Politics: Five Years Later DSTV Is Still Yet To Launch Igbo Channel by tonychristopher: 1:48pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
MayorofLagos: They can't! They don't have the will or vision for creativity. Someone has to lead and show them. If it was a criminal activity they would already have self-perfected it without anyone's direction. Have you ever heard of the term economic expansion Who watches the gbegiri movies Igbos are global in Outlook while yorubas are clanish in Outlook Just playing Happy Sunday |
Fashion › Re: Miss Asaigbo Beauty Pageant 2015 by tonychristopher: 8:05am On Mar 08, 2015 |
anytaij: I refuse to insult or curse any buh i knw whht am saying . Why is his name not listed among dem here he clamis he's rm Enugu why was he not mentioned here he knows he's root he shd trace it ooooooo. If u like quote me if. U like insult me since i didnt insult nor curse u it will go back to sender . Amen Poor up bringing makes peo inuslt peo dey dont even knw . Atulu Nobody said he is from enugu but he was born there are married there There are criteria |
Fashion › Re: Miss Asaigbo Beauty Pageant 2015 by tonychristopher: 7:09am On Mar 08, 2015 |
dennismukoro: DELTA IS NOT AN IGBO STATE MY FRIEND What about the igbos in delta north |
Fashion › Re: Miss Asaigbo Beauty Pageant 2015 by tonychristopher: 7:07am On Mar 08, 2015 |
anytaij: Abeg oooo how come JJ Okocha's naame is not here ? Gud for him he keeps sying hes rm Enugu State come to your home Town JJ and stop running up and down you are a Delta born Ogwashi-Ukwu dis is to tell you that Igbo peo no sabi u . Monkey Ogwashi are pure igbo and they are from nshi(NRI) that's is why they are ogwa nshi ukwu so next time be careful. They are pure igbo like igbo bi n'uzor (igbuzor) You can't devise a division amongst brothers So bounce |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 5:47am On Mar 08, 2015 |
tit: when is easter? i will block the road at Ore mysef. All yeebos have to turn round and vote out that vagabond jagaban and his bastard ambode! Thank lord for making us see how cowardly your men are to vote out the jagaban theirself Must you depend on igbo...be a man for once but your a woman Yell and tell your men to be brave for once |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 5:43am On Mar 08, 2015 |
I think that yorubas have challenges and amnesia is high Lagos was never an administrative post and will never it was and is your ibadan with its red roofs and no functional airport that was your admin capital Well I am not suprised cos every Yoruba man is a lagos man but leaving other of your clans cos I just can't call what I see cities to rot If you capture lagos you have captured yaribas They keep their eggs in a basket We are taking note Adegbodolu1: Lagos is just an administrative outpost in Yoruba land. That is the concept of states. Kaduna and Bayelsa are states in Nigeria but one is Northern the other southern, one is Hausa the other Ijaw.
You see Yanmirin, I am a Yoruba man living in Yoruba land. As long as the Oba of Lagos and all the other counties of lagos, Epe, Ikorodu, Badagry, Ikeja etc have Yoruba Obas who are constitutional members of the Traditional council I am living in my ancestral land. Go and read the history of state creation in Nigeria.
I am a Yoruba man living in Yoruba land, I dont reside in Igboland, Hausa land, Ijaw land or whatever.
Infact isn't it clear we are gullible people lying to ourselves, we dont like each other and Nigeria is a fraud.
So f*ck off. |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 6:40pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
eyeview: Can you under an oath swear that you are from lagos state? The sad thing about most non-lagosian yorubas is that while igbos send something home to develop their villages and homelands,the rest of the non-lagosian yorubas completely forget their original home towns and claim lagosians which they aren't. Do you have a bucket traceable to you as your property in your original village? Say the truth? Dont mind them Every yiruba man that lands in lagos is a lagosian lol They deny their origin easily Lol Some don't even or many font and don't know their villages |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 6:36pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Isiterere: wise men from East like?
ALL IZZ WELL No allow me use my igbo sense on you We are smart But how did tinubu fooled the whole yoruba Nawa |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 6:20pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
Spray: how about ojukwu your god? Who was there to challenge him? U be mumu of the highest order Why do yoruba lack critical thinking Always in doubt To be honest I don't argue with your type It's only in Yoruba land I will see a driver misbehaving but instead of chasticing the driver you will see them slapping the car an inanimate object Your reasoning is not terrible but despicable |
Politics › Re: Please Dont Travel For Easter, Jimi Agbaje Begs Ndigbo by tonychristopher: 6:14pm On Mar 07, 2015 |
queensmith: It explains why in the East, they are all drowning in floods everyday. Farms ravaged by spills, kidnapping everyday high level of crime and maternal death.
Probably a ghost that is perpetually blessing you with an advance level of poverty and bigotry.
Tinubu has done more for even you than you will ever imagine. Ignorance is bliss It's now I understand the term ...travel is best teacher |