₦airaland Forum

juicee1:
there they go again. Blame other but forget that they are the actual architects of their problems.

Lagos is not what it is today because of government but because of yoruba political skills.

Was kano ever an FCT with seaport? Is it not developed today?

Was PH an FCT? Is it not developed?

Jos, kaduna etc? Are they not developed today?


You spoke of international airport, has it changed the viability of Enugu?

Instead of you to blame yourselves for your woes so as to be able to note them for solution, you chose to blame others. You keep playing childish and tribal politics filled with hate.

You scuttled regionalism with a coup just cos you wanted to control everything. That made you lose control of the SS oil that was in your care, which would have seen your region into an eldorado.

Learn to take responsibility for once. If you keep blaming others, then you will never grow up cos it's only children that leave their responsibilities to others.

juicee1:
he couldn't do it all just as buhari can't solve the whole of Nigeria's problems.

cheruv:
Don't be mischievous pls!!
Igbos are indigenous to the SS as they're to the SE.its only a bastard Igbo that denies the presence of Igbos in the SS

juicee1:
@bold

You've been making sense since but decided to ruin it all with the bolded.

So you are among the fools who believe Lagos was developed by the ibos. Have you read the history of lagos? Lagos was a commercial city before it became FCT. The part that was FCT was just VI, lagos island and yaba/surulere. The rest of today's lagos was under Awolowo's Western region which he developed. He built majority of those industrial estates in ikeja. Lateef jakande built majority of the housing estates you see in lagos. I wonder how the ibos managed to develop lagos. Were they the ones that built all the roads, bridges and flyovers? Did they build the markets they rent today? All the housing estates and major developments achieved by Fashola, were they the works of ibos? The schools, hospitals, companies, eko atlantic, lekki airport, lekki seaport etc were they built by the ibos? If the ibos built lagos and abuja, how come they've not been able to replicate such in alaigbo? Tell yourselves the truth.

Pls, just admit that your people failed their region.
Continue with your discussion.

Eddygourdo:
yes that was achieved by imo, we need more, when you move around lagos don't you feel ashamed that we don't have a lagos in the south East and what pains me most even though the yorubas will never accept that, ndi igbo developed lagos, ndi igbo developed Abuja, but ala igbo is a forest filed with some magnificent buildings with no access roads, I want a lagos in SE, I want factories in SE, I want ndi igbo to start investing in SE, I want these investments to drive development, Nigeria doesn't care for us, we developed places we are resident and do business while ala igbo is undeveloped, I am not happy at all about that character of my people

Eddygourdo:
agreed, good points, but look at the current state of the south East, does that environment encourage human capital investment? Imagine the wonders we could do if we had a seaport or river port at the Niger head, can we fund such as a new Biafran nation? We know our solutions, we must prepare our bed biafra very well lest we sleep on a bed of nails

Eddygourdo:
agreed, good points, but look at the current state of the south East, does that environment encourage human capital investment? Imagine the wonders we could do if we had a seaport or river port at the Niger head, can we fund such as a new Biafran nation? We know our solutions, we must prepare our bed biafra very well lest we sleep on a bed of nails

Eddygourdo:
we are not doing enough with respect to our potentials as a people, we must improve, we can't sustain ourselves at our current state of development if we secede without good plans or strategy, that's all I am saying, this is why I feel the ipob approach is wrong, we must plan better, we must plan beyond secession, we must plan for our sustainace after seccesion, the goal of the ipob is seccesion, they are obsessed with it just as the apc was in trying to remove pdp from power, today we can see they are I'll prepared for governance, that is Wat misplaced priorities causr

Eddygourdo:
I am not angry bro, I just wanna have insightful discussions with people, hear their views and suggestions no matter how they might differ from mine. That's all.

Eddygourdo:
that is a solution that will not work. So you believe that if the SE currently seceded in its current state, that we will become more prosperous than Nigeria is?

Eddygourdo:
it is a derogatory statement to me. You don't know me nor my level in life, as I don't know you, Wat binds us is the mutual respect I earlier pleased for in this thread, I made sure I included the need for maturity in the topic. You cannot speak to me in such berating manner, there are better ways to express yourself young man if you want to have an intelligent discourse

IGBOSON1:
^^^You see! This is exactly the grin-and- bare-it kinda attitude i don't like amongst our people! You also see it with those 'one Nigeria' freaks of Igbo origin who will tell you to ignore the political/economic configuration of the Nigerian polity, and instead look to our Governors and LGA Chairmen to deliver the goods and lead us to Uhuru!

These peeps don't know that with an all-powerful and all-controlling center, a bigoted Igbo-hating top public servant or politician sitting in Abuja can -with one stroke of the pen- scuttle the plans and years of hard work of all those Igbo-owned businesses you listed up there; and this has been done before so no one should accuse me of paranoia!

Another downside to this negative attitude is that it's quite possible that a xenophobe not willing to see Ndigbo progress faster than his own ethnic group will put policies in place or engage in underhand covert activities to hold those Igbo- owned businesses back so he can prop up the ones from his own region till they manage to catch up!

Yet another negative to this 'ignore-everyone-else-and-look-inwards' attitude is that resources that otherwise could be used to develop Alaigbo now has to shared with the very wicked people that hate our guts; leaving us a miserly 13% to play with! And this is when they've not conspired to slice off resource-rich parts of Alaigbo with surgical precision to place in neighbouring states and managed by non-Igbos, while they work on getting those Igbo they've cut adrift to deny their roots and ethnicity!

Those Igbo state govt's further have their hands tied by policies and the constitution which forbids them from taking control of their own destiny.....esp' with regard to mineral exploitation; aviation; highways; sea and river port investments; policing; etc! It's done this way so no region/zone in the country would have a runaway economic success and thus show up another region/zone for the deadweight it actually is! Not to also mention the fact that with the status-quo the way it presently is, a few govt enabled billionaires and oligarchs can maintain a firm grasp on the resources of others!

Eddygourdo:
since you are into curse words, I won't discuss with you. I am here to only respond to my peers and clearly you looking at me wrong, if you wanna be an adult, then rephrase your questions respectfully and I will respond

ArodeTsolaye:
I ask you to stay on your own while i stay on mine, that means i am stepping on your toes? The blackman really has a big problem.

The solution is simple. A referendum just like the scottish did, unfortunately the blackman loves complicating simple things.

Eddygourdo:
bros for peace and tranquillity, every party in this melee must be pacified and a middle ground sought. To secced or create nation now or implement true federalism in Nigeria without preparation will render many states even in the SE uneconomically viable. So this development also affects the SE and not just the north

TonyeBarcanista:
My brother, there is no need to assume. The SS have said NO to SE+SS seccession. We sympathise with you and it is my desire that the dream of every Igboman/woman is actualise but we don't subscribe to SS+SE Biafra. I think you should discuss within the context by not discarding the realities on ground.

EUROBOMBER:
How? By saying that we should build stronger ties with the people of the man who was the last president of Biafra?

EUROBOMBER:
Why are you guys like this?@this your attitude is part of the bane of Ndiigbo. Are we not the ones at the centre of it all?

What would it cost to reach out to these people? You may not agree but this is what I call ridiculous pride and has been greatly responsible for our undoing in Nigeria.

EUROBOMBER:
Stop deceiving yorself. We are yet to secure the kind of unity we need in Igboland.


Look at the Yorubas have opened a single thread for Yoruba common wealth but what have Igbos done? One threas is Enugu the pride of the east, another thread is Anambra state light of the nation. Instead of us to be looking at regional integration our people still see themselves as Anambra, Imo, Enugu, etc. What a shame.

You need to see the bitterness between Anambra and Imo people when they fight here. See the shame being displayed by Chino and Customized. I smh.

Donarozzi:
Abraham begot Isaac who begot the twin brothers Esau and Jacob. The descendants of Esau are collectively called the Edom, while the descendants of Jacob are collectively called Hebrews (Israel). It is likely that the original Edom are the Edo/Idoma/Igala/Igbira people, while the original Hebrews are the Igbo. We need deeper intuition and serious intellectual research to unravel these historical connections. The Edom invaded parts of the Igbo territory that was the Urhobo/Isoko area, while the Yoruba intermixed with parts of the Edo territory that was the Igala area. In the Middle East, Israel and Edom are neighbours, and interestingly, the Igbo and Edo are neighbours in Nigeria. (Here, my use of the term "Edo" implies the Edo/Igala/Idoma/Igbira as they occupy the same stretch of contiguous territory and are direct neighbours of the Igbo). Many writers and historians have tried to explain the Igbo/Edo connections to Israel/Edomites, but they have not really used deep instinct to connect the whole dots. Very possible that the original home of the Hebrews and the Edomites was the present-day Igboland and Edoland respectively before their descendants made a planned migration and founded Israel and Edom areas of the Middle East. I have a good theory that explains these historical debates. We cannot rush to conclusions yet...

https://books.google.com/books?id=libxCQAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=edom+igala+idoma&source=bl&ots=zdCKgrgYT2&sig=Zcl5OL4jZmsUTiUS5fruTkyhuuo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizg870xKnJAhXJuB4KHba0CCoQ6AEIOzAE#v=onepage&q=edom%20igala%20idoma&f=false

http://www.hebrewigbo.com/oral.html

https://yemitom./2011/09/23/127/

https://books.google.com/books?id=DkksBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=igbo+israel+alaezi+edom&source=bl&ots=8Tf4ciVQFd&sig=n5rf1DIAfDwa9Y-eqk9UOJRatfM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwigsam_yanJAhUIXB4KHVH_C2sQ6AEIQDAF#v=onepage&q=igbo%20israel%20alaezi%20edom&f=false

https://www.afrikanistik-aegyptologie-online.de/archive/2011/3042/Igbo

EUROBOMBER:
Bros, the guys is very correct. Why is it that anybody that tries to look at Igbo issues factually devoid of sentiments immediately becomes a Yoruba?

I know many Igbo guys here doing well in Abuja but are always scared to travel home. Aha cho ka ndimmadu ojoo bia gworun han nsii.

Most Igbos in the villages are very bitter when they see you come back and successful. Most people are killed when they try to start building their houses. I fear our people sha.

DGD1:
our friend is back!

dialfa:
Please wake up from your daydream and smell the coffee. Wee Igbos cannot achieve anything in the Zoo.

CACAWA:
[size=18pt]Has anyone noticed that many states in Nigeria are bigger than all the South East states combined (Abia, Anambra,Ebonyi,Enugu,Imo)? [/size]

bokohalal:
They are not. Happy now?

helinues:
* 5 Igbo traders killed by Unknown Gunmen which ordered them to recite the Holy Quran of which they could not.

The five people believed to be Igbo traders were said to have been shot dead at Madala Market on Thursday Night between 7 – 8pm.Our correspondent reliably gathered that the yet to be identified gunmen were said to have stormed the Madala market and made straight to a shop believed to be that of some Igbo traders and ordered them to recite the Holy Quran of which they could not.

The gunmen who were not satisfied with the development opened fire on the five people at close range leaving them dead immediately.

An alarm which was raised by other traders close to the shop where the five people were killed attracted passers by who sent a distress call to the Divisional Police Officer Suleja where a detachment of armed police were drafted to the scene.

However, before the police men could arrive the spot, the gunmen had already fled, leaving their casualties in their own blood.

The five casualties were later identified as John Kalu, Oliver Ezemah, Uche Nguweze, Sunday Emmanuel while fifth casualty was yet to be identified as at the time of going to press.

An eye witness account told our correspondent no valuables were removed from the shop of the victims after they might have been gun down which invariably confirms that the gunmen were not armed robbers but suspected to be Boko Haram sect members.

Niger State police Command spokesman ASP Richard Adamu Oguche confirmed the story but could not also ascertain the originality of the gunmen.


Source: http://nigeriacamera.net/49915-2/

chucky234:
The History of the Ndokwa/Ukwuani
people is as interesting as that of any
other African tribe. This is because no
written account of it is available. Much
of what is known of it, are facts handed down through oral traditions or some scanty detail and accounts as recorded by early European visitors to the area.
The most inspiring thing about our
history is the fact that I have never
come across any Ndokwa/Ukwuani man or woman that believes s/he came from Mecca as is the case with the Bayangida and Oduduwa lineages in Nigeria. Sadly, such tribes in Nigeria that see no folly in propagating such myths are in fact some of the largest black tribes in Nigeria (and Africa).
Further, the Ndokwa people have not
claimed Israel as their ancestral home,
as another big tribe in Nigeria would
want us to believe. To highlight the
flaw in the desire to seek glory
elsewhere, we introduce excerpts culled from the history page of a neighbouring town –Ubulu Ukwu – in
Anioma local government in Delta
State, Nigeria. See the quotes below.
“From Afor to Ubulu-Unor: In fact Ubulu oral tradition states categorically that the grand-parents of Ezemu migrated from Israel and settled at Ife hence Ezemu was often referred to as the king with long hairs – “Ezi Isi Iyomiyo”. From Ife Ezemu and his relations migrated to Afor a village in present day Ndokwa Local Government Area of Delta State.”
From www.ubulu-uku.com/
mysite/origin.htm
. Ironically, no Ndokwa town - including Afor - has corroborated this account of history. First and foremost, we are pure Africans and do not seek to establish our origins elsewhere. If the origins of mankind is in Africa as scientific evidence has shown, with pride and humility, the Ndokwa/Ukwuani people would want to be counted as one of the custodians of these primordial genes.
Rather than fabricate our history, the
Ndokwa people would want to concur
with patterns described by Omole
( www.lagosforum.com/comment.php):
“The term “autochthonous” means
native, aboriginal, indigeous, original.
The available anthropological and
archaeological evidence at our disposal makes it clear that the settlement of the Southern West Africa region is a recent event, going back not more than 5000 years.” And, from the early history of Nigeria( www.countrystudies.us/nigeria/4.htm): “The earliest known example of a fossil skeleton with negroid features, perhaps 10,000 years old, was found at Iii Ileru in western Nigeria and attests to the antiquity of habitation in the region. Stone tools, indicating human settlement, date back another 2,000 years. Microlithic and ceramic
industries were developed by
pastoralists in the savanna from at
least the fourth millennium B.C. and
were continued by grain farmers in the stable agricultural communities that subsequently evolved there. To the south, hunting and gathering gradually gave way to subsistence farming on the fringe of the forest in the first millennium B.C. The cultivation of staple foods, such as yams, later was introduced into forest clearings.”
Having put the history of the Ndokwa in the context of early Nigerian history,let’s now turn our attention to Ndokwa specifically. It is relevant to point out here that the portmanteau word "Ndokwa" generally used to refer to the people of the locality is a recent
coinage. The word Ndokwa has the
morphemes: NDO from the word "Ndo-simili", the people of the Niger and KWA from the word “Ukwuani”, for the Ukwuani speaking people of the lowland. The two peoples reside in the same proximity and share a near
common history. They were both
together during the ABOH division days in the then Midwest state of Nigeria (1960s-1970s). Recently, both regions were under one local government area (LGA) before the splitting up into Ndokwa West, Ndokwa East and Ukwuani LGAs. It is very confusing for those of us who grew up when we had one Ndokwa LGA to conceptualise the emerging distinction introduced by referring to some of the people in the region as "the Ukwuanis" and "the Ndokwas" as if they are totally different entities. Is there any justification in saying that someone from Utagba-Ogbe is an Ndokwa man while someone from Umutu an Ukwuani man? We must be wary of how we present this issue, lest an unnecessary distinction be introduced.
Originally, the people (all) were referred to as the Southern-Ika people before the creation and the re-creation of the local governments of the modern era.
Our northern cousins where called the
Northern Ikas and our neighbour/
cousins from the Ika LGAs have held on to this name till date. Before the advent of the white man, the Ikas, Oshimilis and Aniochas –all in Delta State, Nigeria - were all called the "Enu-Ani" people (Upland people) and the "Ukwuani "(Lowland people) is used to refer to the Ukwuanis/Ndokwas. Prof. E. Isichie in one of her works referenced this fact.
Realistically, the inhabitants of the
Ndokwa/Ukwuani areas are a mix of
different peoples some with a strong
claim to Benin/Edo ancestry while
others lay claim to different origins. The Benin connections, a view held by a majority of Ndokwa/Ukuani clans
cannot be rejected. Although, some
intricate and complicated dimensions
such as linguistics can be brought in,
to test these claims. One must not
forget the fact that the languages in
Aboh (an Ndokwa town) and Benin are
not related.
The Abohs and some other clans in the region claim to have left Benin around the 16th century or earlier, in the same wave of migration that established most of the Igbo-speaking towns west of the Niger and even Onitsha in the east. Egharebva, writes of a period in Aboh (circa 1730 -1750) where the ruling families had to accept emissaries from the Oba (King) of Benin during a dispute.
Surrounding, the Ndokwa/Ukwuanis are other Edoid groups i.e. the Urbobos,the Isokos, the Ijaws. Their influence is palpable amongst the Ndokwas/Ukwuanis socially and culturally. By the same token, it is not out of place to notice that some individuals in a number of clans claim lineage to these neighbouring tribes mentioned above especially those on the border. Group of towns sharing borders with
neighbouring tribes including Abbi,
Emu, Onyia, Ushie and Obiaruku have
inhabitants tracing their origins to
Urhobo,Isoko, Ijaw lands.
Furthermore, a good number of
Ukwuani/Ndokwa towns of including
Afor, Emu, Amai, Utagba-Uno, Onicha-
Ukwuani claim to have been founded
by immigrants from Benin. Onicha is a
variant of the word "Onitsha" and is not a coincidence to have the original
inhabitants of Onitsha (in Anambra
State) holding on to the same story of
King Chime from Benin as its forebear.
There are four Onitshas known today
i.e. Onicha-Olona, Onicha Ugbo,
Onicha-Ukwuani and Onitsha mili (the
popular one). They all share the Benin
migration story. What should be of
import to us is, when did these
migrations take place, and the second
question: Did these new arrivals meet
some other people indigenous to the
land/locality? If so, who were they? It is indeed a tall order to to try to establish these facts because there is an innate aberration in history known that man would always, at all costs, seek to associate with greatness, fame, glory and so on. This, in our case might have robbed us of the information that might helped us pieced together our past history more accurately.
The powerful nature and conquering
role of the old Benin Empire might have influenced many clans favuoring this connection, in the process, either
knowingly or otherwise suppressing
some vital information. As one author,
Rev. Okologu (History of the Ukwuani
people) pointed out in his work, there
are however different extractions in our land – Ndokwa area. For example, some sections of the Abohs believed that they are direct descendants of people from Benin while others look across the Niger into the Igbo hinterland as their origins; yet, some even look far up the Niger to Igala homeland as their ancestral land. It is worthwhile to bring this fact to the fore. What cannot be disputed is political power that the Aboh kingdom held in the past. The kingdom stretched from the fringes of Agbor town (Ika) in the present day Delta State to Ogba (Rivers state), also covering all the Ogbaru region of Anambra State. At the height of its power, the Kingdom of Aboh even had emigrants leaving to populate other parts of old Nigeria. There are quarters in Itsekiri land that claim to have forebears from Aboh town.
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bokohalal:
Bini language is related to Igbo language so incidents of shared words should be high.