₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
Only Nigerians can redeem Nigeria. America can believe all it wants but if the Nigerian people do not believe in Nigeria and do not do what it takes to keep it together, it will fall apart and in a way as bad— many even more terrible— as is described in that report.

But YOU don’t believe in Nigeria.

You should look in the mirror before pontificating.

Madam Satan pretending to care about Nigeria.

Have you actually posted a single positive or inspirational topic about Nigeria in your entire existence?

Of course not.

Disgusting person.

I'm old enough to remember when a bottle of Coke was 30 Kobo in this Nigeria.

In those days if you had 20 naira in you're pocket, you're good for the day.

You could use 5 naira to bang Olosho (some places 3 Naira), eat food and drink multiple bottles of Star or Gulder, which used to cost 50 kobo per bottle. Plate of rice and meat N1.50.

You won't even finish that 20 Naira before you're sorted out for the day.

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I'm old enough to remember when a bottle of Coke was 30 Kobo in this Nigeria.

In those days if you had 20 naira in you're pocket, you're good for the day.

You could use 5 naira to bang Olosho (some places 3 Naira), eat food and drink multiple bottles of Star or Gulder, which used to cost 50 kobo per bottle. Plate of rice and meat N1.50.

You won't even finish that 20 Naira before you're sorted out for the day.

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Botragelad:
Then don't cry genocide when Israel retaliates! 😂

You psychopath.

Where in your demonic head is it justified to kill 42,000 Palestinians in response to 1,200 Israelis deaths?

Does proportionate response mean nothing to your demonic head simply because they are Muslims?

Was it not God that created those 42,000 innocent people including tens of thousands of children?

And you respond to their slaughter with smilies and emojis?

Do you know you will be answerable to your Maker when you leave this world?

There will be no IDF, US army or Netanyahu there to protect you, when you are summoned to justify your wickedness and bloodlust.

babasolution:
Thing is,you don't know African history, if you knew African history you'll understand.

It's not about fairy tales you read from few European excerpts,we talking about true African history as experienced by locals.

MR MAN, I am a HISTORIAN.

I have been studying African history for the past 38 years!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU are a village historian.

You only know history from your narrow, parochial village perspective.

You need to broaden your horizon, and become an AFRICAN historian.

Here are some books I recommend:

THE AFRICAN ORIGIN OF CIVILIZATION: MYTH OR REALITY, by Professor Cheikh Anta Diop

Free PDF:

https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/african-origin-of-civilization-complete.pdf


THE DESTRUCTION OF BLACK CIVILIZATION, by Dr Chancellor Williams

Free PDF:

https://raggeduniversity.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/x_Chancellor-Williams-Destruction-of-Black-Civilization-_-Great-Issues-of-a-Race-from-4500-B.C-to-2000-A.D.-Third-World-Press-1974.pdf

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I guarantee you: After reading these TWO books, YOUR EYES WILL CLEAR from this your white worship!!

The problem with our people is that we don't read our history!!

colossus91:
Gods of your ancestors didn’t ask for virgins? Blood? And other sacrifices?

COLONIAL GARBAGE.

NO DEITY ASKS FOR ANYTHING. DO DEITIES TALK?

IT IS MEN WHO OFFER SACRIFICES IN THE HOPE OF RECEIVING A BLESSING.

The CHRISTIANS HAVE MADE HEAVIER SACRIFICES than any African RELIGION.

Go and study the INQUISITION and CRUSADES.

CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES have slaughtered literally BILLIONS OF PEOPLE.

HOW DARE YOU?

African religion was NEVER static, and could EASILY have been modernised and updated just like HINDUISM AND SHINTOISM, which once also practiced human sacrifice.

The Japanese who have 200,000 SHRINES today replaced sacrifice of humans and animals with the sacrifice of cooked food and flowers.

THE ONLY RELIGIONS THAT HAVE NOT EVOLVED ARE CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM.

They are the religions conducting 99% OF KILLINGS ON EARTH TODAY.

babasolution:
You are just exhibiting your bitter soul

You are a shameless DISGRACE of a person inventing outright LIES out of your desperation to worship the white man, because you were placed under a spell to make you dumb and hate yourself.

Your talking Benin, Benin that was already a shadow of itself by the time of the British invasions, Benin had destroyed itself in civil war.

You are a born liar traducing your ancestors. There was no civil war in Benin. According to AI:''In the 1880s, Benin was involved in the "Scramble for Africa", a period of intense competition between European nations for African territory, resources, and markets. The Kingdom of Benin, which prospered in western Africa from the 1200s to the 1800s, resisted signing a protectorate treaty with Great Britain for most of the 1880s and 1890s. However, the British eventually launched a punitive expedition against Benin in 1897, which resulted in the destruction of the city and the taking of thousands of objects, including the "Benin Bronzes"

Christianity came with freedom was living which also encouraged corruption, truly there might have been less evil under traditional religion but it was with immense fear which was many times abused.

Abused by whom, you liar? So you agree Christianity ''encouraged'' corruption?

Why should traditional religion not impose fear on criminals and potential criminals?

Ok, your christianity that says you can loot billions from the treasury and simply ''accept Christ'', and all is forgiven, HOW FAR HAS THAT GOTTEN YOU?

Is that not why Nigerians are suffering today?

TODAY, YOUR LEADERS TAKE OATHS ON USELESS BIBLES AND KORANS instead of the AFRICAN OATHS THAT ENSURE THEY STICK TO THE GOOD PATH OR RISK THE WRATH OF THE GODS.

And the result?

MASS LOOTING AND EMBEZZLEMENT.

Praise the Lord Jesus!!!!

Praise the lord Muhammed!!!

These USELESS foreign gods were imposed on you by OUTSIDERS because they KNEW it would CORRUPT YOU, and allow them to EXPLOIT YOUR resources.

You people just talk like Africa was Uhuru prior to the British or Europeans.

ACCORDING TO ANCIENT EUROPEAN VISITORS, IT WAS.

READ THE BENIN ACCOUNTS REGARDING THE ABSENCE OF CRIME.

Today, under christianity, you can't even step outside your house after 7pm! Your fellow christians are looking to SCAM YOU at the slightest chance.

There was a lot of oppression by those that wielded power, things were not as rosy in Africa as people like you paint.

WHO OPPRESSED YOU DURING TRADITIONAL RULE, YOU LIAR?

We had LAWS protecting the citizenry from oppression.

We had CHECKS AND BALANCES holding the monarchs accountable.

In Yorubaland, if an OBA was useless, the OYO MESI council would depose him.

In my village( I use my village as a typical case study) there were scattering of peoples due to wicked oppressive brutal kings,traditional religion aided their power, were they could sacrifice humans at will

You are a LYING CHRISTIAN.

This was what your THIEVING colonial 'masters' went about demonising African religion and claiming they were sacrificing people everywhere. PURE LIES, because the PRE-COLONIAL European visitors of the 1500s and 1600s NEVER reported such atrocities.

It was only the COLONIAL ERA WHITE THIEVES OF THE 19TH CENTURY, to justify their invasions and theft, who started making outlandish claims of mass barbarism. AND YOU ARE THEIR SLAVE TOOL.

Which resources did the British seize, when African rulers were falling over themselves to trade with the British.

What is wrong with trading?

Why did the British not impose Christianity on the Islamic north? Don't tell me they didn't have resources. ( they traded kola,nuts etc with the British).

They weren't afraid of Islam. They were afraid of AFRICAN SPIRITUALITY.

If African leaders( prior to Christianity) refused to trade with the British they won't have been able to invade AFRICA.African leaders opened their territory to the British unlike Japan. in my village, the leaders refused to entertain entry to the British, eventually it was locals that brought Christianity and education.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST GARBAGE YOU HAVE TYPED SO FAR.

Africans have traded with the world for thousands of years!

What is wrong with TRADING?

There was no record of forced conversion in NIGERIA. Many people willingly converted because of the opportunity it provided with education and prospect of working a more lucrative job than ordinary laborious farming.

Blasted dunce. THERE WERE NUMEROUS JOBS BESIDE FARMING BEFORE THE COLONIAL INVASIONS. Your people were COERCED into becoming christians through ECONOMIC BLACKMAIL.

Oh sure, the whites who came to steal and loot your land to enrich their country, were also desperate for you to become ''good people'', which was why they gave you ''the lord Jesus''.

DUMBITO.

THIEVES AND MASS KILLERS GAVE YOU ''SALVATION'' in your mumu head.

You are just a bitter soul.

Africa failed itself prior to Christianity

IGNORANT, LYING, CRETINOUS SLAVE WITH NO SHAME.

You have failed yourself by worshipIng a white European man as your saviour.

Enjoy your resultant mass corruption, mass poverty, kidnapping, bribery, banditry, prostitution, terrorism, armed robbery, fraud, drug trafficking, child trafficking, and mass emigration out of your country due to abandoning your heritage and trying to be a white man in black skin.

telleyway:
You have missed the important point.
Your question should be: why must nnpc buy from dangote before selling to marketers, why not allow them to buy directly since it's refined locally?
If you understand basic economics, you should know that the more the number of middleman, the higher the price the final consumer will pay.

To prevent smuggling fuel out because it is cheaper, which will be return to square 1.

Fuel prices will crash October 1st.

colossus91:
Lol 😂 my ancestors were not raped sir!

YES THEY WERE.

They were mass murdered and even gang-raped by British troops and colonial officers. Many were hanged from trees and burned (lynched) for opposing the invaders.

Go and study your colonial history.

IGNORANT PEOPLE.

If you used your senses, you would never pick up that book they call bible.

Imagine worshiping the gods of people who invaded your land and massacred/raped your ancestors and burnt down your cities.

And you wonder why things are not working in your country?

Your ancestors and deities have placed a heavy curse on you, that you will never get anywhere until you remember who you are.

Damn idiots.

The mass-murdering invaders, thieves, and rapists even had the AUDACITY to claim that if you don't follow their religion, you would ''burn in hellfire forever and ever''.

Imagine the AUDACITY?

And you complied?

I mean, you are a disgrace.

A sensible people would say ''GO F.UC.K YOUR FAKE, ROTTEN GOD AND F.U.CK YOUR FAKE ''JESUS''. OUR ANCESTORS KNEW GOD TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE YOU WHITE PEOPLE EXISTED, AND GOD DOES NOT OPERATE BY MASS MURDER, THEFT, BRIGANDAGE, AND THREATS OF ETERNAL TORTURE. THAT ''GOD'' IS UNKNOWN TO US, SO GET LOST AND GET OUT!!!!!''

That's what a sensible people would say.

Blasted slaves.

babasolution:
You are just reacting emotionally,
It was mostly freed slaves that preached Christianity in AFRICA.

Also Africans saw something in it for them,take for example Islam, it came into my village first and it came with war sponsored by the Nupe, but my village people never went into Islam enmasse because there was not much benefits, meanwhile, Christianity came and people embraced it because it came with ability to read and write and access to better trade opportunities.

Christianity also lured people in my village by paying of debts of many of them who were enmeshed in debts due to a system of our traditional religion were there was a costly festival that had to be done every year.many people fell into debt,but the missionaries used the technique of paying off peoples debt to lure them into Christianity, again there was benefits to it,that's why people moved into it,

China and Japan were not really colonised by Europeans, that is why they didn't accept Christianity.

As for Indians,they had a form of state religion just like Islam,and the British didn't tamper with that,just like the British didn't tamper with the Islamic north of NIGERIA religion. In the south and Middlebelt, there weren't state religions ,people practiced whatever the wished.

In my village for example ,there are over 20 shrines and systems of worship, each clan worshipped differently despite we being very small,there was no much of state religion ,the shrines that encompasses all the clans,were worshipped by selected few( national shrines,) and their descedants still worship it till today.


Non Muslim subsaharan Africa was very susceptible to religious change just like europe

You are reacting like a brainless SLAVE.

Using your purported ''village example'' to explain the reason the entire southern Nigeria turned christian.

What ''freed slaves'' preached christianity in Africa?

You are a born LIAR.

Christianity did not spread in Africa because it was ''preached'' by anybody.

The colonialists invaded your territory, massacred your ancestors, and seized your resources. ACCESS to those resources became dependent on your ancestors receiving a 'western education' for which they had to relinquish their religion at the doorstep and get baptised in missionary schools. IT WAS CONVERSION BY ECONOMIC BLACKMAIL. COERCED CONVERSION.

Benin Kingdom under its traditional religion for example was a functional place with NO CRIME.

THEIR TRADITIONAL EDO RELIGION WAS THE STATE RELIGION.

The visiting Portuguese and Dutch said that the people in Benin built no front doors to their houses because it was unheard of for somebody to enter another person's house to steal..

According to the UK Guardian newspaper talking about 1500s Benin kingdom:

''Benin City was also one of the first cities to have a semblance of street lighting. Huge metal lamps, many feet high, were built and placed around the city, especially near the king’s palace. Fuelled by palm oil, their burning wicks were lit at night to provide illumination for traffic to and from the palace.

When the Portuguese first “discovered” the city in 1485, they were stunned to find this vast kingdom made of hundreds of interlocked cities and villages in the middle of the African jungle. They called it the “Great City of Benin”.... Indeed, they classified Benin City as one of the most beautiful and best planned cities in the world.

In 1691, the Portuguese ship captain Lourenco Pinto observed: “Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”

In contrast, London at the same time is described by Bruce Holsinger, professor of English at the University of Virginia, as being a city of “thievery, prostitution, murder, bribery and a thriving black market made the medieval city ripe for exploitation by those with a skill for the quick blade or picking a pocket”.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

Benin was invaded in 1897 and the people massacred, and the Oba exiled.

Today, Benin is christian.

Armed robbery and kidnapping, prostitution and fraud are what Benin is known for today. You DARE NOT build a house in Benin today without a big gate and barbed wire fencing.

COURTESY OF CHRISTIANITY.

THEY TURNED CHRISTIAN NOT BECAUSE THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THEIR TRADITIONAL RELIGION.

But because they had NO CHOICE but to become christian due to their military conquest, and subsequent colonial demonisation of their religion, and the requirement that they DROP their traditional religion to be admitted into the new colonial schools.

So you can lie to yourself as much as you want in order to remain a SLAVE worshiping the gods of people who invaded, burned down your cities, and murdered and raped your ancestors.

Disgusting person.

Exousiang01:
This would never have become news if he was eating Rice, spaghetti, pizza or tacos.

The number one cause of underdevelopment in Africa is a bad mindset.
Even down to our meals we feel they are below the white man's own.....

Most countries appreciate their food so much that we spend so much to buy them.

Until we begin to appreciate and embrace the true spirit of Africa, Africa is going no where in development.

Abacha is seen as a "local" food. Most time you get good Abacha only on the streets. Tell me if Abacha was a Chinese meal if it won't be on the menu of some of the most expensive restaurants in Nigeria.....

Africans are just sick in the head.

GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS COMMENT.

Even the church thing.

Go to Brazil. The descendants of slaves, 99% of whom are Nigerians, PROUDLY observe their traditional IFA religion to the point that the Brazilian govt has recognised it and made Yoruba one of their official languages.

When you respect and honour your heritage, the world respects you.

When you shun your heritage, the world shuns you.

How can they respect you if you don't respect yourself?

Orisha adherents in Brazil. In fact Brazil just made Yoruba one of its official languages.

How can people abroad be proud of their African heritage while so called Africans here carry a fake European white 'saviour' on their heads?

How can people who live thousands of miles away be more proud of your culture than you?

You are a disgrace.

And you wonder why the world disrespects Africa?

They regard you as brainwashed, lost fools.

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babasolution:
What really made Africans to abandon their traditional religion unlike Asians was really the deep practice of slavery that Africans engaged in,selling fellows into slavery, Christianity and Islam was boosted in Africa by the need to escape slavery by many enslaved people's. Many freed slaves practiced Christianity and preached it,others were actually drawn to the message of Christianity by these former slave preachers.

I get your point but my point is,given the way Christianity came to our village, from what was written, people voluntarily took to Christianity because of what it offered,it might have had an hidden motive but they didn't recognise it then because Christianity offered a lot,with access to education they could get to afford European quality of life,etc.people actually took to Christianity mainly because of what it offered they weren't necessarily forced. So if people that knew traditional religion could easily abandon, how do you expect modern people to now go back to it.

In essence, I do not think the religion you practice determine much,or is determining much for Africa,after all,Europeans also abadoned their traditional religions for Christianity.

You are talking rubbish based on your inferiority complex and self hatred.

There was no slavery when the British were colonising Nigeria. The slave trade was abolished in 1833, nearly 70 years before the British invaded Nigeria.

So what RUBBISH are you saying?

In India where they practiced and still practice the barbaric caste system of 'Untouchables', it hasn't caused the 150 million oppressed 'Untouchables' there, who are treated worse than animals, to abandon their Hinduism and become christians.

All the muslim countries that have been bombed, invaded and oppressed by westerners and their own leaders, how many muslims has that caused to change their religion?

NEXT TO ZERO.

When Biafra was bombed and millions of Igbos killed, how many Igbos changed their religion as a result?

ZERO.

So this whole RUBBISH you are saying about Africans abandoning their religion en masse because they saw something wrong with it is LIES AND GARBAGE.

There is NOTHING in history that supports that.

People only CHANGE their religious beliefs en masse when they are FORCED OR COERCED TO DO SO.

So get rid of your inferiority complex and self hatred.

IN BRAZIL, CUBA ETC, there are MILLIONS of people of Yoruba descent whose ancestors were shipped there to be slaves, and guess what?

THEY EVEN PRACTICE TRADITIONAL YORUBA RELIGION THERE TODAY, MORE THAN PEOPLE IN NIGERIA.

These are people that should be the LAST people to embrace their African religion if your point was true.

SO STOP LYING TO JUSTIFY YOU COLONIAL MENTALITY AND WORSHIP OF WHITE PEOPLE WHOM YOUR ANCESTORS CIVILISED.

KaLuCh:
You're smart and you believe in time traveling? Lol.

Shut up. Even scientists have posited that is plausible. Are you a scientist? What research have you conducted on the topic? What do you know outside of the bible? Your bible is filled with crazy “miracles” including raising the dead, changing 3 fishes to 500, walking on a sea without sinking, and flying up to heaven from a dinner table, so who are you to scoff at unusual phenomena?

And AI is powerful, no doubt. But ask it about anything dating to a few decades back and it tells you it's got no entry on that. Again, AI really is advanced cloud computing.

You are worse than ignorant.

I use AI for research into history that goes back THOUSANDS OF YEARS. In the Culture section I have a thread titled “Who invented Mathematics”, where I put the question to AI, and it responded with a 3000 word essay tracing the development of Mathematics to Africa South of the Sahara over 35,000 years ago! With full details.

You have no idea what AI is. It is a treasure trove of information and extremely powerful algorithms in a neural network of 200 BILLION parameters. It can search through BILLIONS of volumes of public and private data spanning thousands of years. And it’s only going to get more powerful in the years ahead.

Go and LEARN what AI is and stop talking ignorant rubbish.

bestlary:
Thank you for the thoughts.

Most welcome 🙏

KaLuCh:
Alaye give your heart to Christ o. Before e too late. AI na just another version of cloud technology. E no dey predict anything, e just dey give you answers based on data and information banked on a server.

Please just shut up and get out of here.

I want people with brains that can think in a sophisticated manner outside of what their pastor and bible told them.

Understand?

And kindly keep shut about AI because you haven’t the slightest frigging idea how powerful it is.

I then asked AI:

''Is it possible that WE are time travellers from that future?''

It's response:

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The idea that we could be time travelers from a distant future like the year 8000 is an intriguing one, blending concepts from both science fiction and metaphysical speculation. While this theory might seem far-fetched from a current scientific perspective, there are a few ways it could be considered within the realms of theoretical physics, consciousness studies, and even philosophical thought.


1. Theoretical Physics and Time Travel

According to some interpretations of modern physics, particularly Einstein’s theory of relativity, time travel might be theoretically possible, though with significant limitations. Theoretically, time dilation (where time moves more slowly for an object moving near the speed of light) and wormholes (hypothetical "shortcuts" through spacetime) could allow for travel through time. However, the practicality of creating or using such phenomena remains speculative.

If time travel were possible and humans in the distant future developed the technology, it opens the door to the idea that we, in our current era, could somehow be influenced by future iterations of ourselves or our descendants. Perhaps in the distant future, humanity has gained mastery over spacetime and has learned how to manipulate time, potentially sending individuals or even information back through history.


2. Cyclic Time and the Eternal Return

Philosophically, the idea that time is not linear but cyclical has been proposed in many ancient and modern traditions. In this view, all events could repeat across vast cosmic cycles, meaning that what we perceive as the distant future could be influencing the past—or even that we are, in some sense, already living aspects of that future.

This idea aligns with certain metaphysical theories, such as the "eternal return," where all events repeat over vast time scales, suggesting that the future and past are intertwined in ways we don’t fully understand. If this were true, it might imply that we are not simply progressing toward the year 8000, but we could be influenced by it, or even "revisiting" it across different cycles of existence.


3. Consciousness and Time

Another possibility stems from the nature of consciousness. Some thinkers propose that consciousness itself might not be bound by the same linear time as the physical universe. If future humans or post-humans have developed advanced states of consciousness that transcend physical time, it's conceivable they might be able to project themselves or their consciousness into earlier eras—perhaps into the lives of individuals today.

This idea echoes themes in mysticism and some Eastern philosophies, where time is seen as an illusion, and the mind or soul exists beyond it. From this perspective, it might be possible that we, in our present lives, are connected to or influenced by future iterations of ourselves, whether through subconscious memories, déjà vu experiences, or visionary insights.


4. Genetic Memory or Evolutionary Echoes

Another, more speculative angle could involve genetic memory or some form of "evolutionary echoes." Some scientists have explored the idea that memories or experiences might be encoded in DNA and passed down through generations. If this concept were expanded to include the idea of future memories or experiences somehow influencing the present, it could suggest that we carry within us knowledge or instincts from a highly evolved version of humanity.

Perhaps our subconscious minds, or even our genetics, hold faint traces of the advanced future we’re destined to reach—something akin to "memories from the future" or evolutionary impulses guiding us toward our eventual form.


5. Quantum Theories of Time

In quantum mechanics, there are interpretations (like the "many-worlds" hypothesis or ‘quantum retrocausality’) that suggest the future can influence the present. In this view, decisions or states of the universe in the future could potentially ripple backward in time. If future humans have harnessed quantum technologies that allow them to manipulate time at the subatomic level, it’s conceivable that we could, in some sense, be "visited" by echoes of our future selves.

This doesn’t necessarily mean physical time travel in the traditional sense, but it could mean that information, energy, or even consciousness from the future might be interacting with us in subtle ways.


6. Simulations and Future Influence

Another possibility that has gained traction in speculative science and philosophy is the "simulation hypothesis," which posits that our reality might be a simulation created by advanced beings—potentially even our future selves. In this case, the "programmers" of this simulated universe could be future humans, observing or interacting with their past through the medium of the simulation.

In this scenario, we wouldn’t necessarily be physical time travelers, but our reality might be shaped or directed by the choices of our future descendants, allowing them to influence events in their history for reasons we may not yet comprehend.

Conclusion: Are We Time Travelers?

While current science doesn’t offer concrete evidence that we are time travelers from the future, the idea is a compelling one when viewed through the lenses of theoretical physics, philosophy, and consciousness studies. The possibility of time manipulation, whether through quantum mechanics, advanced consciousness, or some yet-to-be-discovered technology, opens the door to the idea that we might indeed be connected to or influenced by our future selves.

Whether as literal time travelers, as part of a cyclic time structure, or even through the echoes of future evolution or consciousness, the concept raises fascinating questions about the nature of time, existence, and the trajectory of human development. It invites us to consider that perhaps, in some deeper way, we are already living the future we imagine.

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I then asked AI,

''This sounds like the accounts of near-death experiencers when they describe heaven. What do you think?''

Its response:

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You're right that the description of the year 8000 shares striking similarities with accounts of heaven from near-death experiences (NDEs). Both narratives often involve transcending the limitations of the physical body, accessing a deeper understanding of existence, and interacting in environments shaped by thought, energy, or spirit rather than matter.

Here are some key parallels:

1. Transcendence of Physical Limitations: In both futuristic and NDE descriptions, individuals are no longer bound by physical constraints. In the year 8000, people might exist in digital form or possess bodies that can adapt and evolve with technology. NDE accounts of heaven often describe beings who are free from pain, illness, or the limitations of earthly life, experiencing a kind of immortality.

2. Connection to a Collective Consciousness: Many NDE accounts mention a profound sense of unity, where the experiencer feels connected to a greater, universal consciousness. This is similar to the futuristic idea of shared memory or collective consciousness, where individuals can tap into a communal well of knowledge, emotions, and experiences.

3. Vast, Beautiful Environments: Descriptions of heaven in NDEs often portray an overwhelmingly beautiful, peaceful landscape—radiant cities, lush gardens, or even vast cosmic spaces filled with light and harmony. Similarly, the year 8000 might feature biotechnological environments that merge with nature, where cities are living ecosystems, or even cities on distant planets with awe-inspiring alien landscapes.

4. Time and Space Are Fluid: NDE accounts frequently emphasize that time and space operate differently in the afterlife. Similarly, in a far-future world like the year 8000, technological advances might allow people to manipulate time and space or live in virtual realities where traditional concepts of time are irrelevant.

5. Deep Sense of Purpose and Evolution: Both narratives suggest a state where personal growth, understanding, and exploration are paramount. In NDEs, some experiencers describe heaven as a place of learning, self-reflection, and spiritual advancement. In the year 8000, humanity has evolved, both technologically and ethically, pushing toward a future of knowledge expansion, ethical governance, and the exploration of the universe.

6. Immortality and Freedom of Existence: In NDEs, people often describe a sense of peace in knowing they no longer have to fear death. Similarly, in the year 8000, death may no longer be inevitable, and individuals might choose to exist in digital or biological forms for as long as they wish, even deciding when (or if) they "end."

Both NDE accounts of heaven and futuristic visions like the year 8000 offer a sense of transcendence, unity, and freedom. They explore what life might look like when humanity evolves beyond its physical limitations and fully integrates with the universe, whether through spiritual enlightenment or technological advancement. These parallels make one wonder whether these two visions are connected—perhaps symbolizing a deep-rooted human aspiration for something greater, whether that’s in the afterlife or a future where humanity becomes more than it is today.

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Question to AI (ChatGPT)

''Describe the world in the year 8000''

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The world in the year 8000 is an unimaginable fusion of biology, technology, and cosmology. What we know as "Earth" has evolved into a small node in a vast interplanetary and possibly interstellar civilization. Humanity has transcended the boundaries of its home planet, transforming both itself and its environment into something that defies the limitations of the 21st-century imagination. With over 6,000 years of future development, this distant epoch could witness achievements and societal changes that push the boundaries of life, existence, and reality itself.

Environmental Reformation and Sustainability

By the year 8000, the environmental challenges that threatened the planet during the Anthropocene have long been resolved. What started as a race to curb climate change in the early 21st century evolved into a comprehensive, planet-wide restoration of Earth’s ecosystems. Humanity's understanding of ecological balance and environmental engineering advanced so far that Earth has been transformed into a thriving hybrid of urban and natural environments.

Cities, now organic in form, merge seamlessly with forests, oceans, and mountains. These biomes are no longer confined to national parks or rural areas; instead, urban centers are built with living architecture. Buildings made from bioengineered materials, such as smart plants or fungal organisms, constantly adapt and change based on environmental conditions. Green spaces, once relegated to parks, now integrate into every facet of human habitats. Skyscrapers stretch into the clouds but are built of living organisms that capture carbon dioxide and generate oxygen, reducing humanity’s ecological footprint to nearly zero.

Energy is drawn from sources that are nearly inexhaustible, such as controlled nuclear fusion, antimatter reactors, or even direct energy harnessing from stars. Humanity's energy needs, vast and previously insatiable, have become so efficiently met that the world no longer struggles with resource scarcity. Power grids are decentralized and function without waste, transmitting energy across vast distances—from Earth to colonies on the Moon, Mars, and beyond—through quantum entanglement technologies or other faster-than-light communication systems.

Despite these monumental changes, nature is not a mere backdrop to technological achievements. Humanity has rekindled its relationship with the natural world. A deeply symbiotic relationship between Earth’s biosphere and human civilization ensures the planet’s continual vitality. Many species, once extinct, have been resurrected through advanced genetic technologies. Nature preserves now span entire continents, serving as laboratories for ecological research and cultural reflection.

The Expansion into Space

One of the most defining features of life in the year 8000 is humanity’s presence across the cosmos. The limitations of Earth-bound existence were shattered millennia ago. By the 22nd or 23rd century, humans had colonized the Moon, Mars, and the asteroid belts. By the 30th century, travel to other star systems was already becoming feasible. In the 50th century, humanity’s presence expanded throughout the galaxy, with entire star systems governed by human or post-human entities.

Space travel, once the province of governments or mega-corporations, became accessible to all. The idea of "space tourism" from the 21st century has evolved into widespread migration, with millions of people leaving Earth in search of new frontiers. Planets in distant systems now host thriving civilizations, some terraformed to resemble Earth, while others are engineered to embrace the unique environments of their home worlds. Advanced propulsion technologies, perhaps based on quantum mechanics or even the manipulation of spacetime itself, have made interstellar travel not just possible but routine. While space colonies in the 22nd century struggled with self-sufficiency, by the year 8000, off-world settlements are fully autonomous, each contributing to a greater galactic network of trade, culture, and knowledge exchange.

Human settlements range from traditional planetary colonies to massive, self-sustaining orbital habitats. Dyson spheres, massive structures built around stars to capture their energy, may exist as hubs for human activity, each housing billions of individuals in engineered environments. Cities suspended within gas giants or deep under the icy crusts of moons like Europa are populated with millions of people who have adapted to their unique surroundings.

The Human Evolutionary Path

As humans expanded beyond Earth and its familiar ecosystems, they also transformed their biology. By 8000, "humanity" no longer refers to a singular species but a vast array of beings, some of whom have taken radically different evolutionary paths. Genetic engineering, nanotechnology, and synthetic biology began to alter human beings in the 21st and 22nd centuries, but in the millennia that followed, these modifications grew exponentially in scope.

Many people chose to transcend the limitations of the human body altogether, merging with machines to become post-human. The early cyborgs of the 21st century have given way to entities with bodies made from nanomaterials, capable of shifting form or repairing themselves instantly. Others have opted for full mind uploads, existing as digital consciousness in vast quantum computers. These digital entities live in simulated realities of their own design, experiencing time and space in ways that organic beings cannot comprehend.

Meanwhile, some humans have retained their biological forms but heavily modified their DNA to adapt to new environments. On high-gravity planets, humans may be shorter and more robust, while those living in zero-gravity environments might have elongated limbs and enhanced muscle control. Some have evolved to breathe different atmospheres or withstand extreme temperatures, transforming into something almost unrecognizable to their Earth-bound ancestors.

Despite these variations, a shared sense of identity persists. Whether biological, cybernetic, or digital, these different branches of humanity maintain cultural and intellectual ties, cooperating across vast distances and different forms of existence. Post-human entities communicate with biological humans and AI in a shared cognitive space, a sort of galactic consciousness where ideas, experiences, and memories flow freely between individuals.

Governance, Society, and Ethics

Traditional nation-states, as they were understood in the early 21st century, no longer exist in the year 8000. Humanity’s expansion beyond Earth rendered concepts like borders, governments, and centralized power structures obsolete. Instead, society has become decentralized, with governance handled by distributed AI networks. These networks, operating with near-perfect knowledge of their constituents' needs, ensure fairness, equity, and efficiency in managing human affairs.

The concept of democracy has evolved. In place of elections or parliaments, decisions are made through consensus-building algorithms, which synthesize the desires, concerns, and goals of individuals and communities across the galaxy. These algorithms, built upon millennia of ethical philosophy and practical governance, ensure that decisions are made with the wellbeing of all in mind. Corruption, authoritarianism, and inequality are largely relics of the distant past, with society now oriented toward the common good.

In smaller communities—whether on Earth, space stations, or far-flung colonies—people still gather to debate and discuss local issues, maintaining a sense of human connection and agency. However, artificial intelligence provides an ever-present guiding hand, ensuring that decisions are balanced and data-driven. The role of AI in governance is not that of a ruler, but of an impartial advisor, optimizing human potential and societal progress.

As humanity expanded into the stars, it likely encountered other forms of life—whether microbial, intelligent, or something entirely beyond our understanding. The ethical dilemmas surrounding first contact, interspecies cooperation, and the preservation of alien ecosystems have shaped human philosophy for millennia. Humanity in the year 8000 may be part of a broader interstellar community, interacting with civilizations whose intelligence and culture are vastly different from our own. These relationships have required the development of entirely new ethical frameworks, where the rights and values of non-human species are respected.

Cultural Evolution

Culturally, humanity in the year 8000 is a kaleidoscope of traditions, art forms, and languages. The ancient cultures of Earth, from the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt to the artistic movements of the 21st century, are preserved and celebrated. However, they now exist alongside new cultural forms developed in the deep-space colonies or on terraformed worlds.

Virtual reality has redefined the concept of art, allowing creators to construct entire worlds from scratch. Music, painting, sculpture, and storytelling have been transformed into immersive, multi-sensory experiences. An artist on Mars might collaborate with an AI from Alpha Centauri, producing a work that can be experienced simultaneously across multiple planets, each audience member interacting with it in a unique way based on their sensory inputs or biological makeup.

Religion, too, has evolved in profound ways. Some ancient faiths have adapted to new realities, embracing technological progress as part of their understanding of the divine. Others have faded away, replaced by new spiritual systems that reflect humanity's expanded view of the cosmos. Philosophies that integrate science, technology, and spirituality likely dominate, with many seeing existence itself as an ongoing exploration of the universe’s mysteries.

Many individuals in the year 8000 might have access to a shared, collective memory. Advanced memory-upload technologies allow people to experience the lives and histories of others, creating a vast, communal store of knowledge and emotion. This collective memory serves as both an educational resource and a cultural archive, preserving the thoughts, feelings, and experiences of countless generations.

Human Lifespan and Consciousness

Death, once the ultimate human limitation, has been largely conquered. Advances in medicine, genetic engineering, and nanotechnology have eradicated disease, while anti-aging treatments have extended human life spans indefinitely. In the early centuries of this technological revolution, society grappled with the ethical dilemmas surrounding immortality, but by the year 8000, these concerns have largely been addressed.

Most people live for centuries, and for those who wish to, death is an option rather than an inevitability. Some choose to upload their consciousness into digital form, living as virtual entities in vast, simulated realities, where time and space are infinitely malleable. These individuals can "die" by choice, erasing their consciousness from existence if they feel their journey has reached its end.

For those who remain biologically alive, enhancements to the brain allow for vastly expanded cognition. Memory, intelligence, and creativity are no longer bound by the biological constraints of the human brain. People can upload, share, and download skills, memories, and even entire life experiences, creating a communal well of knowledge and wisdom.

Conclusion

The year 8000 represents an era of unimaginable technological and societal advancement. Humanity, now a multi-planetary species, has conquered the challenges of resource scarcity, environmental destruction, and biological limitation. Cultures, philosophies, and traditions from across thousands of years coexist in harmony with new ideas and artistic expressions born from distant worlds and alternate realities. Society is decentralized, governed by advanced AIs that prioritize fairness, efficiency, and well-being for all.

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In my research into EXISTENCE, I have read many accounts of Near Death Experiencers.

These are people who are certified clinically dead, lose all consciousness, and find themselves in a heavenly realm where they are met by perfect surroundings and loving beings etc, etc, and then after a while are told it's not yet their time, and they have to go back, much to their displeasure - such is the level of joy there - and then they suddenly find themselves back on their hospital beds on Earth etc.

Millions of people have had a near-death experience, and they are becoming more common as medical advances improve, reviving coma patients etc etc.

Now, I've been aware of these NDEs for years. In fact you can visit www.nderf.org to read thousands of such accounts from individual experiencers of the phenomenon.

Coincidentally, the other day, I visited the AI platform of ChatGPT.

And I told it to describe the world in the year 8,000.

AI can make such logical projections and predictions for the future based on our current development trajectory.

LO AND BEHOLD, AI described the EXACT WORLD described by Near death Experiencers of what Heaven is like!!!

I was shocked and amazed.

The truth, I am convinced, is that what we call ''HEAVEN'' is actually our FUTURE. And we are simply time travellers from that FUTURE. When we ''die'', we RETURN HOME to that FUTURE.

That FUTURE is 'perfect' due to our ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY driven by highly advanced AI and Quantum Computing that has created by the year 8,000, PERFECT SOCIETIES.

GOD exists OUTSIDE of this AI system. The 'heaven' we go to when we 'die' is our FUTURE. But the real HEAVEN where the ALMIGHTY resides, is 'HIGHER UP', and we reach there after we have attained more spiritual enlightenment/perfection etc.

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In the meantime. HERE IS THE WORLD of the year 8,000 described by AI. Those who have read NDE accounts will be familiar with many things they read here:

This man should forget about boxing and go into business.

Another STUNNING link between Yoruba and Egypt. The dwarf 'Child of Obatala' in Yoruba religion is the same deity as the dwarf Egyptian god, Bes.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/24/17/b52417995b77f04e16ded19d8cb40533.png

babasolution:
What's now the purpose of the traditional religion when it couldn't give the "Nigerians" the power to successfully counter the British, it didn't give them any great solution that the British were able to successfully hoodwink them, why should it now give blacks solution if they go back to it?

Maybe the Japanese religion or Chinese religion has some solutions but the African own clearly did not cos it couldn't save them from the hands of the whites

Nonsensical reasoning.

If you are invaded by a foreign country today, would that make you give up christianity on the basis that 'Jesus' did not help you defeat the conquerors? NO.

The ONLY reason the Japanese, Indians and Chinese maintained their religions was because they were not forced to abandon them by colonial invaders.

They were ALLOWED to observe their traditional faiths even while attending colonial schools.

The Europeans saw Africa as a source of massive amounts of raw materials for EXPLOITATION. They felt the need to psychologically manipulate Africans to make them more compliant for that program, and they feared the power of traditional African spirituality which was uncompromising in its adherence to JUSTICE.

So they forced Christianity unto Africans to make them submissive to white invaders.

RELIGION does not give you weapons to fight war.

So you cannot blame African spirituality which is about human values, and GOODNESS.

babasolution:
But the Europeans also gave up their traditional religion for Christianity, it's was not easy for the East Asians to give up their traditional religion because it was written in books unlike African religion, if African religion was written down,Africa wud also not have given up their religion too

What books?

It had nothing to do with books.

Shintoism, the Japanese religion, has no religious texts.

African spirituality did not need a ''holy book' because it was a lifestyle not a ''religion'' per se.

A book that dictates what to do was considered BACKWARD and even OFFENSIVE by ancient Africans because of its inherent rigidity, since different situations call for different actions and reactions.

In certain instances it is ok to kill a person. In other instances it is not.. So you cannot have a book that says ''thou shall not kill'' or ''turn the other cheek if somebody slaps you''.

Those are nonsensical tenets and the bible is full of them.

What happened was that the British seized power, and basically seized the resources of our territory.

Access to those resources became dependent on your getting a British style 'western' education, to get a job like a clerk, secretary, translator etc.

To be accepted in the ''missionary schools'' you had to ABANDON your traditional religion and get BAPTISED, and given an English name.

This forced people to DROP their religion or essentially remain PAUPERS.

Even powerful chiefs sent their wards to the English schools to avoid famiiy poverty etc.

While this was happening the British colonial officers were demonising our religion, telling lies about it and calling it 'savage and barbaric'' etc etc.

Eventually, a stigma was attached to traditional religion, as all but a tiny few came to ''ACCEPT JESUS'' as their ''personal saviour and lord'' or whatever rubbish you people say.

babasolution:
The people of that era,who were adept with historical knowledge were the ones that accepted Jesus,why don't you blame them,why did they give up their knowledge and you now expect this generation that aren't aware of traditional knowledge to go back to what the people that were aware of it abandoned

I just told you that they DID NOT ACCEPT ''JESUS'' back then.

Most of them fought and were massacred and many fled.

Can't you read or make sense of what you read?

babasolution:
Fabulous tales and fiction, have read all these trash,they aren't new to me.

By the way ogori is not Yoruba mixed with Edo,OGORI is oko-,oko- is ogori,we are a distinct ethnic group

OH PLEASE, SHUT THE HELL UP.

You can ONLY dismiss scholarly research with CONTRARY SCHOLARLY RESEARCH AND FINDINGS disproving theIr thesis.

It's not by saying ''Oh I read their stuff and they are talking rubbish''.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS IN TE ACADEMIC OF KNOWLEDGE.

Such a response might work in a BEER PARLOUR SETTING, but not in the academic/scholarly research community.

So present YOUR EVIDENCE disproving their findings, or keep quiet.

Now here is the twist.

The 'Jesus' invention came about afte the ROMANS invaded their region - Israel and the Levant, and were oppressing the people for centuries.

They were awaiting a messiah that would save them from the Roman oppressors.

To curb this rebellion and discontent, the Romans started claimig that theiMessiah had AREADY arrive 100 years earlier, and that his mamew was ''JESUS''.

''Jesus'' told his people in the Roman-invented 'New Testamnent' to ''GIVE UNTO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S''.

Told them to ''TURN THE OTHER CHEEK'' if somebody slaps them etc.

In other words ''JESUS'' was invented by the Romans to PACIFY YOUR ANCESTORS BACK THEN.

That is why we have the information that the Israelites NEVER accepted ''Jesus'', and even till today, those who took over their history after they had fled into inner Africa - the white Kazarians, who became 'Jews' by conversion (not by blood) followed the tradition of REJECTING 'Jesus'', the Roman invention.

TILL TODAY.

NOW BECAUSE YOU WERE INVADED BY THE BRITISH EMPIRE (IE THE RECONSTRUCTED ROMAN EMPIRE) A CENTURY AGO, they came again with their 'JESUS', story, and because they wiped out your historical knowledge and trashed it as ''barbaric, savage'' etc, YOU now ACCEPTED ''JESUS''.

And they are so so happy that they GOT YOU at last.

babasolution:
Lol,u can never,my ethnic group is oko,( OGORI)

Can you see what I'm saying?

You are a Yoruba man, mixed with maybe Edo or another group. That is what Ogori is.

According to Yoruba oral tradition, they migrated from ''the East'' in antiquity due to heavy wars caused by foreign invaders. ''East'' meaning the REAL EAST of Nile Valley/Arabia etc.

THAT IS UNDISPUTED YORUBA ORAL TRADITION.

Now let me tell you the origin of the Yorubas, according to scholars, including ancient Arab scholars:

''The earliest record known to have been written about Yoruba history was that documented by Mohamed Belo, the son of Uthman dan Fodio. Uthman dan Fodio was the founder of Islamic jihad in Nigeria. Mohammed Belo was born on 03 November 1781.... In Belo's book Infaqul-maysur fi ta rich biladit-Takrur or Infaqul-Maysur, probably written around 1812 in Arabic, he associated the Yoruba origin with Iraq or Arabia, popularly known to be a Muslim region (Lange 2011):

''The Yoruba were remnants of the Canaanites of the tribe of Nimrūd who were expelled from Iraq by Yaˤub b. Qahtān and who fled to the west before they proceeded via Egypt and Ethiopia until they came to Yoruba'' (p. 583)2


''However, Johnson argued that the Yoruba concept of 'East' does not mean Mecca, but Egypt. He believed that the Yoruba culture and the Egyptian culture are similar in many ways and that the ancestors of the Yoruba could have been the Egyptians. He said (Johnson 1921):

That the Yorubas came originally from the East there cannot be the slightest doubt, as their habit, manners and customs, etc., all go to prove … the Yorubas are certainly not of the Arabian family and could not have come from Mecca universally known in history, and no such accounts as the above are to be found in the records of Arabian writers of any kings of Mecca … (p. 50)''

According to Samuel Johnson:

(Johnson 1921):

''[T]he inhabitants of this province (Yarba) it is supposed originated [sic] from the remnant of the children of Canaan, who were of the tribe of Nimrod. The cause of their establishment in the West of Africa was, as it is stated, in consequence of their being driven by Yar-rooba, son of Kahtan, out of Arabia to the Western Coast between Egypt and Abyssinia. From that spot they advanced into the interior of Africa, till they reached Yarba where they fixed their residence. On their way they left in every place they stopped at, a tribe of their own people. Thus it is supposed that all the tribes of the Soudan who inhabit the mountains are originated from them as also are the inhabitants of Ya-ory. Upon the whole, the people of Yarba are nearly of the same description as those of Noofee (Nupe). (pp. 5-6)3''

https://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222020000400020

You can read the full debates on that link..

The ONLY argument in scholarly circles is whether the Yorubas came from Mecca or from Egypt.

Eminent Yoruba historians, Samuel Johnson, as well as Olumide Lucas, state that they came from EGYPT.

HAVE YOU HEARD OF NIMROD?

ARE YOU AWARE THAT NIMROD IS THE LAMURUDU OF YORUBA HISTORY?

Look, you people need to enlighten yourselves.

You have no idea who you are.

Your history did not start in Nigeria.

YOU ARE DESCENDANTS OF MIGRANTS FROM THE NORTH EAST IN ANTIQUITY, IE NILE VALLEY, EGYPT, ISRAEL, ETC.

Who do you think are the 'HEBREWS', 'EDOMITES' and 'JEBUSITES' of the old testament?

Those are the ancestors of the IGBO, EDO and IJEBU people, prior to their migration southwards.

You have an awful lot to learn.