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Kay 17: ^^ but babies begin to obey through conditioning. If you instruct a baby to stop suckin its lips, it wld obviously disobey you, but the punishment you inflict will serve as a reminder the next time. So the baby associates a reward with obedience and therefore obey.

2.) u dnt tell a baby to desist frm an action except d baby or person has the ability to obey.
Same with Adam's case, Adam is said to be a spiritual baby and as all babies do, they don't handle responsibilities well. They will definitely make errors.

if ur tryg to twst d point ur on your own.
You dnt tell a knew born babe to desists frm an activity except its for d babies good even if d baby doesnt understand y - then. The baby may not even hav d capacity to understand Y , wen u instruct him. The baby doesnt need to understand Y to obey. Because even if d baby understands Y, it still wont change the rule.
So instruction isnt evil. And instruction is gvn because the instructed doesnt hav knowledge to choose better. If a baby plays with matches he cannot see the end result of dat action, so he dabbles in it. But after his fingers ar burnt his knowledge is now complete. He now knows d full cycle of wat can happen if he plays with fire. He also has regret and suffers loss. The easiest way is if sb tht knows the consequence of an action advices the baby. Which is wat God did to adam.

"u dnt tell a baby to desist from an action, except the person has the ability to obey"
- this statement is un necessary.
God ddnt tell adam an eve to do somtin byond their capacity. They cud very well obey. Earlier, adam, had named all d animals in creation and it was a breeze to him. Talk less of the instruction to respect a tree.


"same, with adam, they dnt handle responsibilities well. They'll definitely make errors"

in other wrds, God shud hav made provision for Adam to make multiple mistakes. With a physical baby, u make provision for thm to make mistakes as they learn not as they disobey. E.g a baby learng to ride a bike, u'll b patient with. A baby learng to read u'll b patient with. A baby suckg the thumb (wrng act) you'll keep correctg while they keep disobeyg.
A baby playg wth fire(wrong action) u'll b patient with , even up the d 1000th time. You can b patient wth physical babies because the consequences of their wrong actions arent the same as it is for sin. If u commit sin, the consequence is DEATH, whether its ur first attempt or not. The consequence isnt a punishment but an automatic outcome. Its like sayg if a baby plays with fire and the his fingers burn , the burng finger shud hav waited till d tenth time or so. God is perfectly holy, and once a person sins the connection is broken. You cant fellowship with God with sin in you. You and him cant pally with sin in you, so u hav to clean up , b4 u reconnect. And with God out of the picture, it's like a fridge without electricity. The ice will keep contents fresh for a while but without restoration, all contents will decay. Sin leads to death,cuz it disconnects you , instantly from,life, which is in God.
When adam sinned he was instantly Spiritually unplugged from God, spiritual death, God's life wasnt in his spirit though his spirit was still wrkg. Eventually, his physical body died,because it is his spirit tht keeps the body body alive.
If adam, hadnt sinned, his spirit wud b perpetually hooked to God's spirit, and his body wud not die.

@evibrain
job had seven children who died in satan's attack. U think they vanished into thin air like atheism makes u belive. They went to heaven. Then God gave him seven more children, makg 14 children altogether! How com u cudnt see this! Besides,dyu know of d passages tht say "watever u find doing do it with ALL Your might..." (ecclessiatis) , "do u see a man diligent in his business.. He shal stand before kings and not before mere men "(psalms). "the hand of the diligent shall bear rule... " . Is there any of this scriptures thts obsolete today? Dyu know, the 3 hebrew captives in book of Daniel, were outstandingly brilliant! - so much for religion being counter productive. You like other atheists always want to make ur distorted points appear logical. U mentioned job's children but ddnt mention the restoration of his wealth, the increase of his years. Y not com out plain and admit, u are not seekg honest debate but just want to cuss and reject God-even if he exists. Even if he is lovg and good and all tht.

Kamsy10: I was about to agree with you until I read the bolded.

agree with the bible first. To cure u of your traditional blinders.

Kamsy10: Please don't lead people astray by saying things you know nothing about.

don't type frm a blinded mentality. Let d word enlighten you. Learn how 2 interprete the word correctly.

Kamsy10: Why don't you give verses that support the bolded.

luke 15v22: father of prodgl son puts jeweled ring on son's finger.
It cud hav been gold. In addition to shoes and a robe. Point, jewelry complimented dressing.
Job42v11: each of job's guest giv him money and a gold ring. Again, insinuatg tht gold was worn as jewelry too as well as having fiscal value.
Rev1v13: john sees Jesus , jesus is wearing a long robe with a gold band. Jesus is wearg gold!

Kamsy10: God asked the Israelites to remove their jewelries so he could decide what to do with them and the bible never recorded anywhere that God asked them to wear it again.

y did they take it off? Cuz it was to b used in temple construction wrk. The isrealites wore gold as jewelry.. Wen d golden calf was to b made the appeal was made tht people shd contribute their gold,many gave their gold jewelry.

Kamsy10: Read also Jer 4:30

ive read it. It proves my point. The figurative woman there wears gold jewelry. So gold wearg was d norm and is not a sin. The point of dat verse, is tht her attrctveness will not influence her enemies hence her dressg is in vain. She wore gold,mascara and scarlet. Does tht make all those items evil.
Jesus said not wat u take dat defiles u but wat u think on(find d verse)

Kamsy10: Even you pastor Adeboye's wife and daughter don't wear gold and they are not deeper life members.
[bold]Be careful what you spit out.[/bold]

nonsense crap. The boldd applies to u. Do ur homework before counterg.

Kamsy10: If you lack wisdom, ask of the Lord.

your foolish partg shot. Lazy people like you is wat made jesus,peter,paul use the F word (foolish/fool) in d bible.
You dnt thnk, u just follow blind traditions wth frenzy.
Y did Jesus tell the zealots of his day "search, d scriptures!".

Kamsy10: Note: Am not a deeper lifer and have never bn to deeper life

your not a deeperlife in d church membership but ur kindred mentality.

ur idea needs mor fleshg out.
How will it go viral as an idea. Thnk , fb,twitter,groupon, these strtups gained momentum by the buzz they created , they were mrktd by users word of m.
Verification issues. Hw do i knw a persn is as gud as they say by just readg their cv's on d site?