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frosbel: @ Minute 54, she says something shell shocking :

1. Hell is packed more with WOMEN , because they LIE , commit immorality , harbor bitterness and hatred.

Hmm, where did I hear this from , oh yes, Islam,lol. I bet MEN are not guilty of the same sins, lol.

2. The Blood the Devil sheds in accidents is what is used to make Ladies makeup such as lipstick, eye pencil , cutex etc.

What !!!!!!!!!!!!



Ola , you are more than this , common, stop making a mockery of Christianity.

see wat christians hav descended to. Smh vigorously.
With these new superstitious knowledge women wont use body lotions, oil their hair, use jewelry or perfumes cuz devil made them ...
D aim of these stuffs isnt to edify or giv praise to God but inspire paranoia.
Yes,d bible says dat the Whole wrld lies under d power of d evil one, but if a christian walks in d light and has fellowship with d father,son and Holy spirit theyre a lot of satanic trap they'll b spared frm.
In him we move and hav our being God spared lot from sinful sodom and gomorrah, Lot wasnt even aware of d impendg doom,but He was carefully livg a righteous life.
No christian needs xtra biblical knowledge to live a christian life.
But if God wants you to be educated you'll b led by a witness of d Holy spirit twrds the right or wrong stuffs.
Op, focus on ur relationshp wth God, and seek H.S guidance, u cant know enuff in ur head 2 outwit satan.

Nkeon: Greetings,

I see a lot of questions on here about original sin, etc, but none of them touch on the point that as a believer has always bugged me so I've decided to ask myself.

We are told in the bible that God created us in his own image to be perfect. Adam and Eve were given freewill and under temptation from the devil they disobeyed God so their downfall is their own fault. God has no blame. He is not the author of sin.

But what confuses me is that if God made us in our entirety then doesn't that mean that he gave us the capacity of disobedience? And subsequently the devil as well? If not there where did this ability come from? It cannot have come from any other than God surely because then he wouldn't be the complete creator. So it has always seemed to me that even though Adam and Eve made a choice to sin, as we do today, the ability to even consider such a choice came from God. In Romans there is a passage that goes "Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Now this is used in a different context but it also tells us that we are moulded by God to do his will and that he sometimes wills us to do dishonour, as we see with Pharaoh. I can foresee that someone will argue that Pharaoh had already hardened his heart so God just used that for a purpose so please remember my original question. Where did this ability to disobey God's will come from? If he is the creator of all things didn't it come from him?

This has been confusing me for a long time so would love some good answers. I used to go to a bible study group that was great but didn't really offer much on this subject.

Thanks in advance and please no petty debates

ur question shows a leang twrds a partculr disposition.
Even if u hav no satisfactory answer look at contrdctions frm ur assuption.

1.) all things come frm God. Includg d tot to dsobey him.
2.) adam was not the originatr of the disobedient tot tht led 2 sin.
3.) this tot entered adams mind and adam executed it.
4.) God put this tot in adam,since God originates all thngs.
5.) based on 4 adam is innocent of d tot he possessed and hence innocent of d action he was guilty of.
6.) God judged adam 4 d evil tot tht originated frm God.
7.) God is inconsistent ,based on 6,
he orignates evil, implants it in adam,
who executes it not knowg he's tempted by God, God arrves after adam has fallen fr his temptation.catches adam red handed and whoops adams asss!

U only need 2 read d bible to see ur errors.

1.) if God is guilty of sin,He cant b Fair,holy and Just.
2.) if God is guilty of sin , He cant Judge satan or man of sin. With wat standard?
3.) the integrity,power of God's wrd rests on his purity and holiness.
If God is sinful, his wrd would lack power.
And if his wrd lacks power, the physcl universe wud collapse cuz the bible says the wrld is held together by the wrd of his power.

4.) if God sins they wont b a trinity but a duality or duo.
Cuz the other members of d God head cant felloship with sin.

5.) if God sins he'll die.
Cuz d wages of sin is death.

6.) if God sins heaven wud bcome corrupt,
thts y in revelations certain class of beings arent allowed into heaven.
In otherwrds, impure beings.

7.) if God sins then He by nature isnt all sufficient , he has an inadequacy he needs to fill.
E.g Satan, wasnt all powerful,so he sought to unseat God to get More power.
Adam and Eve wanted More knowledge.
Judas wanted more money..
What More does God want,tht wud make him sin?

8.) if God were to sin,He isnt omniscient.
Satan ddnt know he'll be kicked out of heaven,b4 his rebellion.
Adam ddnt know he'll lose his dominion to satan.
Achan ddnt know he'll lose his life
fr stealg Gold
etc
But if any of these beings knew how it wud end for them they wudnt hav sinned.


9.) if God tmpted man to sin, then
went thru all d xpense of sendg Jesus to die and get humiliated, and watched the atrocities of sinful men thruout the ages,like hitler,abacha,idi amin,stalin,etc. And restarted d process again by drowning out the first corrupt sets of humans,
then He is a Fool.
Only a fool and sadist wud cause so much pain intentionally then go to great expensve lenghts to clean it up.

But God isnt such.

10.) there many scriptures shwg God cant lie, there is darkness found in him,
he tempts no man,
he rejoices in d prosperity of the saints etc

Kay 17: The Universe is said to have an origin, not the natrual world.

ths argument can get convoluted.
I dnt blve in evolution .
But i blve logic can prove some physcl truths.
Every material thng has an origin?
I blieve this? Dyu beliv it also? because if we hold different premises we cant even debate.
Or i cud say
every material thng has an origin is a valid proposition.

@ijaw kid

wuld death b tormented ...

Does it matter.? Death and hell wuld b packd in2 d same can-d lake of fire.
D bible shows death is a spiritual force or entity.
E.g in romans, paul says- Oh death where is your sting . Oh grave where is ur vctory.

The last enemy to b put under foot is death.
So death is an entity and not Gods will.

"y thnk ppl wil b burng literally for all eternity..."
i'm not reasng out d wrd here so my opinions carry no weight.
Rev19v14: then death and hades were thrwn int d lake of fire.
(tht's clear enuff or u wnt me to interprete it as I deem fit? Throw is throw, into is into lake is lake . D n h were thrown into LoF. He kicked d ball over d bar, u undastand tht but this one is givg u headache!)

v14b"the lake of fire is d second death".
V15 "if anyones name was not found written in the book of Life , he was thrown into the lake of fire.

(need further exposition?)
LoF is d second death. So d second death isnt eternal rigor mortis. But sth mor dynamc.

Wen it said hell will b thrwn into into d lake of fire,wat is tht hell?
Its d hell d rich man in d story of lazarus went to at death.
Its d hell Jesus spoke about, where their wrms never die out.

"where is d place for resurrection?"
tht i ddnt mention resurrection doesnt mean i doubt it. Str8tn ur thnkg.
Read ur bible to clear out the confusion.
Theyll b a resurrection of the livg and d dead. It doesnt affct their abode in heavn or hell-temporary stations.
The rapture will hav d dead in christ rise frst then the saints follow second. Simple, departed saints are sent back into their bodies, then they ascend.
Livg saints have their bodies transformed and they rise too.
The sinner dead will resurrect after d millenial reign to face d great white throne judgement.
They too will take on their bodies
. Spirits will b united with bodies then dispatched to final locations.

"if satan was thrwn to earth wat kingdom are talkg about"?

Again. Read the bible (and some gud christian books )

everything above and including earth's atmosphere is categorized as heaven in d scripture.
I.e atmosphere..
So God's heaven is above, the cloud and sky is above and in between God's abode and d physcal heaven-sky ,clouds, is satan's kingdom.
Satan has a kingdom anyway. The bible says Jesus has delivered us from d KINGDOM of DARKNESS into the KINGDOM of His dear son.
So satan has a kingdom ,its not allegorical prose,fro wch he operates to control humanity.
There are highly organized spirit forces with ranks , hierarchies and officers see ephesians 6 .
Also see d story of daniel where his prayer was delayed by d prince of persia.
Satan was thrown out of heaven to earth, doesn mean he was given authority over d earth.
Earth is beneath heaven so wen he was kicked out of heaven he fell dwn to a lower realm. Earth.

"dyu know Jesus went to Hell?"
yes. because Jesus bcame sin, he @ death sunk dwn to hell . Just as wud b d case of som1 wu died in their sins.
Again, notice tht Jesus was in hell while his body was in a tomb.
Provg tht spirits dnt hang around at death.

Adam and eve sinned , if they dnt burn then who amng mankind deserves to burn"

read romans 5v12-end.
Esp vrse 18 ,19.
It answers ths question.

"wen adam and eve sinned wat did God say will happen to them?"
God said they'll die. But u interprete death narrowly.
Death means absence of life.
Y absence of life? Cuz God is Life. Unplugging from Life eventually leads to death.
And death in tht verse is all encompassg: first no spiritual life.God wasnt in man's spirit,
the body dies cuz the spirit doesnt hav eternal life,
mental death,dullness retardation,
emotional death,anxiety,worry,depression lack of peace,
material death: toil with little profit, lack of basic livg necessities.
Marital death: disruption,divorce etc
business Failure:
busnesses collapse , bankcruptcy etc
in essence once man disconncts frm God thru sin, life countdwn begins.
Planet death:
plants die, crops die etc poor ground yield

death transcended physcal death.
Physcl death is caused by spiritual death.

ijawkid: So would "death" and HELL be tormented too literally??.....are the persons??......

And I have never assumed there was a mid ground.......ask your Hell colleagues that question....



So u do believe that the opposite of death or perisihing is LIFE??........so from john 3:16 we have 2 prospects for obedient and disobedient persons respectively.....EVERLASTING LIFE and DEATH.....abi??........so why think people would be burning literally for all eternity??......


Please when it is said hell would be thrown into the lake of fire,what is that HELL



All I can see from your statement is that there would be no ressurection....isn't that so??.......you have talked about spirit this and that:::please where is the space for ressurection the very core doctrine of christianity??....


If satan was thrown to the earth then what kingdom of his are u talking about that is in heaven??

When you keep saying HELL what do you mean??......do you know Jesus went to HELL and stayed there for 3days??.....



Adam and eve passed on imperfection and sin to us....isn't that true??.....

If those 2 people are not going to literally burn in Hell who then amongst sinful mankind deserves to??.......

When adam and eve sinned what did God say would happen to them??...



But u have seen that all of Jesus' parables started the same way.......should we close our eyes to that of the rich man and lazarus when considering the introduction of the story??.......

the parables in d bible never strted with "there was a certain man except for the parable of d prodgl son and d shrewd manager,the good samaritan, and d great banquet". This is not suffcient justication for a parable.
All others began wth: he told thm a parable, the kingdom of God is like,etc.
Parables are wrd pictures Jesus used to teach a spiritual fact.
The parable of d banquet illustrated d kingdom of God.
The prodgl son illustrates wat Jesus said in the parable of d lost coin, there is joy wen a lost sinner returns,
the gud samaritan was used to demonstrate wat lov is.and to correct a bigoted lawyer wu wanted to justify himself.
Luke10V29.
V30. "in replyg jesus said:.."
Jesus' parable were 99 percnt about wat the kingdom of God /heaven is like.
He never used actual names..
There was a moral to it.

On d other hand, the rch man and lazarus gave wasnt a moral story
or about d kingdom of heaven,
and cited ACTUAL PEOPLE , abraham, so if it was a parable Jesus was lyng!
Jesus never used death , hell to teach a parable.
Jesus used illustrations the ppl were already familiar with to teach illustrate spiritual thngs.
Like . The sower,isreal was agrarian.
The lost sheep, the weeds,
the banquet,
the lost son,
the wheat nd tares,
the mustard seed,
the talents
the sheep and goat
the ten virgins
the vineyard
etc
because d ppl cud realte with these. He kept it simple. Y wud he break his princple of keepng it simple and relatve to concoct sth like the rchman and lazarus?
because tht wasnt a parable!

enilove: Ignorance.

From what you posted,you claimed, "d Bible never said prayer is the key".

Am sure you are not a Christian. Prayer is the key that opens every door.

Peter was locked up in the prison and the church of God prayed for him.He was released by an angel because of the payers. Read Acts 12: 5 - 9.

Jesus prayed and the sweat from his body was like blood.He also told his disciples not be sleeping but be prayerful ,so as not to enter into temptations and satanic traps.Luke 22 : 44 - 46.

1Thessa 5:17 says "Pray without ceasing".

The poster gave us solution to the problems,contrary to what you claimed, he said we should pray on our food ,drinks ,anointing oils etc. But you are discouraging people from believing the message and also praying.Why?

This is not a message of fear but a message of warning ,telling us to watch and pray as written in saveral passages of the Bible like:

Mark 14:38 "Watch and pray,less ye enter into temptation.
Luke 21: 36 "Watch ye ther4 , and pray always that ye may be accounted worth to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand b4 the Son of man".

The Bible also says in Eph 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,against powers,against rulers of darkness of this world,againat spiritual wickedness in high places."
Is this revelation not a surprise that we wrestle againat spiritual wickedness in high places?
What can you say to this,that the bible creates fears in heart of people as well? No, but a caution that we should watch and pray,just as the OP is saying.

Many people now take pleasure in criticizing and condemning messages ,churches ,Pastors etc

That your assertion that prayer is not the key,negates all the nonsense you posted.It shows you are spiritually ignorant of the devices of the devil.

instead of foamg @ d mouth and spoutg emotionally can provide a scripture categorically statg tht prayer is the key tht unlocks all doors.
Jesus said d word of God is made noneffectve by human traditions.
Unscriptural songs like prayer is d Master key hav permeated all of christianity.


"i dscourage ppl from prayg..."
"he provided solution sayg ppl shud pray over their food"

u qouted d above:
where did i discourage ppl frm prayg?
See how warped ur thnkg is. U cudnt evn digest my viewpoint.
He provided a solution,
did u read wat i said abt prayg over food?
Did u read where i said there's a verse in d NT tht says tht food is sanctified by prayer and thnks Givg- provg tht The bible, word of God, is sufficient for d christian to live by even without digestg ths kind of stories?
Did u read where i said God has given His children d Holy spirit to Guide them?
U read tht and concluded tht i said nonsense!

The bible never exalted prayer above d word. And it never will.
But ignorant zealots like u , seek to reverse the order,

the bible key tht unlocks all doors is faith:
1.) without faith it's impossible to please God
2.) this is the VICTORY that overcomes the world (satan and his system), even our FAITH (NOT OUR prayer)
3.) Fight the good fight of faith
4.) above all taking the SHIELD OF FAITH (NOT PRAYER) WITH which to quench ALL (anythg Satan can bring against u) the feary darts of the devil
5.) when peter was sinking while walking to to Jesus, Jesus caught him and said, ".. O ye of little faith , y did you doubt" . Meang peter's faith was the key to the miracle.
6.) faith comes by hearg and hearing by (your LONG PRAYER as is taught in most churches?) THE WORD OF GOD
7.) your spiritual armoury,
consists of an attack weapon,
the sword of the spirit WHICH IS D WORD OF GOD (NOT THE LENGHT OF UR LABORIOUS PRAYER)
8.) JESUS SAID; IF you abide in me and MY WORD ABIDE IN YOU,(prerequisite to answered prayer is abidg in the Word of God.
Not dashg of to scream a prayer)
(then) you shall Ask what ye will and it will be granted you.
9.) forever o God ur wrd is settled in Heaven.
10) your wrd is a lamp unto my feet a light to my path

stp practisg blind christianity.
Know wat ur doing lest u'll b brain washed.
My observation is tht most christians rarely study the bible for thmselves, theyre mre inlined to pray. D wrd frst

Its clear ur a blind dafty cuz u took all i said out of context.
The bible calls ppl like u fools.
because they cannot b persuaded by d word.. They believe in traditions.
U'd better allow God's wrd take precedence ,then ur thnkg will b str8tnd out.
This junk pasted here means nothg , warng about wat?
If u see a satanc perfume,after readg ths, and a normal one will u b able to tell?
No. So stories like ths only breed paranoia.
As for prayer priority delusion,
ive seen ppl who prayed their heart out and died?
Ive seen tonnes of frustrated prayer warriors...
All because,there's this sick prideful desire to sweat out a prayer.
"my people are destroyed for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE" NOT lack of PRAYING!!

ijawkid: ForÑication is as straight forward as it Is......Hell is much complicated my dear bro alexleo....

First of all its original term in the original hebrew and greek has been widely mistranslated as you know.......hades and sheol have been tampered with and twisted by many persons to fit into hell.....
It is known that Jesus spent 3days in Hell which is an exclusive abode for satan and his cohorts.....was Jesus part of satans entourage??.......
The mistake of various renderers is that they render all these words as HELL and thereby creating all the confusion we have...

1...TARTARUS
2..SHEOL/HADES(Mans common grave)
3..GEHENNA
4..LAKE of FIRE....

Those words up there have all been translated to mean HELL which in turn has landed everybody in confusion......


Also the Concept of HeLl is one that paints God as extra-judicial......would God roast individuals multiples times??......

Would God roast persons first in HELL,then later transfer them into the Lake of fire to burn again??.......or can you say HEll is the same as the lake of fire......would God leave adam and eve the creators of sin in humans and burn US there progenies in both Hell and the Lake of Fire literally,forever??.....would GOD reserve satan the chief trouble maker for the Lake of Fire only,while unrepentant humans would first of all be roasted a lil in Hell and then later transfered to the lake of fire??....

And as regards the rich man and lazarus,even after showing you from our last discussion that it is simply a parable you and bidam and pygru still deny it....

All the parables of Jesus always started like ""there was a certain man,......"a certain man....

Consistently Jesus started his parables in this manner.......and we have all seen that it is impossible for the individuals in that parable to had been in heaven or in a roasting chamber literally when Jesus gave that parable...........

Nations,human governments,sorrow,satan,Death itself would be thrown into the lake of fire....

It is up to you to tell me what kind of fire is that........you guys sometimes should relax back and review all the facts before arriving at a conclusion....

first of all ur logc is inconsistent junk wen lined against d wrd of God, ur creatg a model of God , instead of gazg at the picture of God u'v been Given in d Bible.
Wen u die - judgement strts.
There's no mid ground ..
Revelations, talks of Hell and death being cast into d lake of fire,
so after Judgement d sufferg continues @ a higher level.

Hell is not complicated.
The God of d bible isnt interested in confusg ppl but savg them.
Is d message of salvation complicated? "for God so loved d wrld tht he sent his only begotten Son tht whosoever believes in Him will not perish but hav everlastg life" . Complicated? Then y will Hell b;wch is wat God wants all men to avoid?

The bible never mixes up d lake of fire and Hell,
theyre 2 distinct places.
Get ur facts str8t.
Hell will b thrwn into the lake of fire.

The bible clearly states dat hell , lakeoffire,was created for d devil and his demons,its punishment suitable fr thm. Its so terrble tht the demons shudder wen they think about it, how much more man!
Man doesnt need 2 go there but sin is like an opium man just loves it.

There is nthg xtra judcial abt thngs. There's no vacuum in life.
If u spirit is in your body, u live and operate on earth, else u live and operate in d spirit wrld, theres no comatose suspense mode inbtw.
If ur unqualified 4 heaven, u bet satan has a right to u, and He wants u receivg ur reward immediately.
If u are qualified 4 heaven, God's angels are comg to take u ..
No loiterrg, no standg,no roamg around . Keep movg.

Hell isnt d abode of satan, mind you!
Satan has a kingdom,,
its d kingdom of darkness..
Is dat kingdom in Hell? No.
Its in d air?
Above the earth atmosphere,
the bible calls him, the prince of d power of d air.
Satan accesses hell, and theyre demons in hell too all wrkg fr satan.
The bible says wen d 70 returned to Jesus,they rejoiced and Jesus said He beheld Satan fall like lighteng. "if satan, fell then he most have been at a higher location to fall to earth?
The bible says we wrestle not against Flesh and blood butagainst spiritual force of wickedness in the heavenly realm.. Satan has his kingdom in d heavenly realm!

Wud God leave adam and eve the creators of sin....
Adam and eve ddnt create sin.
If they repented theyll b in heaven.
Satan, isnt judged yet,cuz d end hasnt come, and the spiritual agenda of God operates on unfaultable legal grounds.
To save man, God ddnt use brute frce, but legal strategy. God bcame man to save man.
He wont throw satan off until the time of satans judgement is come.


If d stry of lazarus nd d rch man were a parable, an interpretation wud hav followed shortly.
Most bibles, wud have a caption alludg to it as a parable,e.g
"the parable of d rchman and Lazarus"

truthislight:

That ^ is why you need the fear of hell fire to use and threaten those that will not pay tith.

I pity those that keep remaining in bondage.

Dont forget, Jesus said his "(my) load is light" after observing all the temple arrangement including Tithe.

Sorry for you.

the bible says tithe is for d wrk of God . Not tithg stalls God's wrk and y shdnt a Chrstian want to tithe?
Hypocrites. God gave u breathe,life and d power to get wealth, but returng 10 percnt out of gratitude seeems so hard 2 do!
So much 4 lovg God.
The government demands more thn 10 percent and it is unquestioningly given.
Some taxes are uo to 50 percnt! And we live with it.
Wat do d gov do with d money?
Loot and misappropriate most of it and Find mor ways to put their greedy hands into the pockets of d wrkg class.
Without taxes no human gov can operate, we know this. This same principle carries over 2 d body of christ: without the tithe n offerg God's wrk is stalled.. And God will judge those who steal frm him.
Anybdy preachg against tithe and offerg is a deluded self righteous soul. And it's not a message from God.

truthislight: Stop this copy and pest without insight.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed(ruach/spirit) into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7).
.......................

spirit WAS "put" into man and he came to be a living soul.

Simple scripture you shoud first take note of to guide you.

It is this same spirit that leaves the man.

ar u a fan of tautology.
I used tht verse to prove to the Op tht man is a spirit being livg inside a body.
Ur repeatg the same thng to me!
I used google 2 get d bible verses , faster smarter more convenient thn leafg thru a paperback ..
Anythg wrng wth tht?
Stay on track bro.

annyplenty: TOPIC: VISIONS EXPOSING THE PLANS OF THE ENEMY TO HINDER CHRISTIANS FROM RAPTURE

TEXT: ISAIAH 29: 15-16

Isaiah 29:15-16
15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

INTRODUCTION
In our end-time study series that we post on nairaland, we have studied the following topics
1. 50 signs of rapture/end-time ( https://www.nairaland.com/1230707/end-time-bible-teaching-50-signs )
2. Why we must watch ( https://www.nairaland.com/1241939/end-time-bible-teaching-why-must )
3. Awareness of Sin ( https://www.nairaland.com/1256318/end-time-bible-teaching-awareness-sin )
4. Awareness of false Prophets. ( https://www.nairaland.com/1265235/end-time-bible-teaching-awareness-false )

As the study series continues, very soon, we plan to teach a topic 'Awareness of Forces of Darkness' to enable us understand biblically the plans of satan and its agents in this end-time so that we will know how to prepare ourselves better for rapture and not fall into their traps. we are still preparing towards that. But amazingly to us, God begin to reveal to us some plans of the forces of darkness to win souls (especially those of Christians) for satan and his antichrist.

For some days back now, we (some of us in the prayer team) have been having visions/ messages concerning rapture frequently. Because of the frequent ways these rapture messages/visions are coming these past days and the way God is revealing plans of the enemy to us also, we strongly believe we shouldn’t delay in sharing the Visions. We will not want anyone to fall into the plans of the enemy to cause him to miss the rapture. We may release our teaching on ‘awareness of forces of darkness’ later.

The visions we received recently are given below and they concern the followings.
1. UNHOLY ANOINTING
One of our prayer team members reported that he dreamt and saw a man that is popular for acting as a ritualist/sorcerer in nigerian home movies, among a group of pastors, whom he knew in real life. He said the ritual actor also paraded himself as a genuine pastor among them.
The prayer team member said the man realized that our member had recognized him not to be a genuine pastor and he quickly approached the brother to tell him that he knew him somewhere, probably, to calm the brother down from exposing him as a false pastor. The brother said all of them came to visit me. He said as the pastors were still with me the fake pastor secretly called the prayer team member and me and gave us some oil, which he called anointing oil, to use but we did not use the oil.

About 2 days after our prayer member shared the dream with me, I read the testimony of another brother (I do not know him) who said he dreamt that Jesus showed him how satan and his agents had planned to anoint Christians in their dream with unholy anointing to cause them to become weary, lukewarm, not able to pray again, go into sin, and eventually not qualified for rapture. I was shocked when I read this testimony.

Please be careful with anointing oil, these days. Now, One common trend in churches is anointing service. Please, be careful before you receive one. If you must receive anointing oil, pray very well that JESUS CHRIST should sanctify the oil with his blood and (if you are in an anointing service, you may have to do it secretly so that the congregation or the pastor will not hear and you may be termed as rebellious.)
If you dreamt that your head was anointed by a questionable person or in a questionable setting and condition, when you wake, quickly pray that the Lord Jesus should neutralize any unholy anointing in your life with his blood.

2. PACKAGED FOODS/ CHICKENS

A brother, one of our prayer team shared with me that it was revealed to him how forces of darkness intend to use packaged foods (like food packed in take-away packs) as a weapon against christians especially in the church.
Some few days ago, i had a similar revelation. One of my senior brothers and I were going somewhere and we were hungry. we visited a eatery to eat. We ordered chicken. The attendants, who were relatively young, brought out a single chicken lap. They said that was the only chicken piece left and that we should wait for some minutes to prepare more chicken for us. One of us ate the chicken they brought and we were waiting for more. Soon one of the attendants called me to come and help them kill the chicken, as I entered their kitchen, I saw a shrine at the corner and an effigy was placed on the shrine. On the head of the effigy was written 'esu laalu' (this is Yoruba word for SATAN). The boy asked me to kill the chicken on the effigy in the shrine. I resisted. I asked why he wanted to kill the chicken to be sold for public on a satanic effigy in the shrine. He said they would never sell any chicken in that eatery, unless they first sacrifice it to their idol (satan).

Please, be careful with foods. if you go to any church anniversary and they package food for you. Please, pray on it very well. Sanctify it before you it. Also watch the eatery where you will eat. Pray before you eat anything.
This is time to be alert. Trumpet will soon sound. satan is just looking for ways to disqualify Christians from rapture. Pray on processed foods before you eat them. Pray on milk, tin tomatoes, slice bread and all food stuffs.

3. VACCINES.
In another dream, I saw a lot of people on the street. It was as if something that is likely to affect people's sight had happened. So people of all categories were being given compulsory vaccines to use to prevent eye problem from arising. The vaccine was a liquid contained in one small bottle and it had to be applied into the mouth. People were given to use and also use for everybody in their home. I was also given but I didn’t use it. i was skeptical of the vaccine because of the way the vaccine was being enforced on everybody. Suddenly, it was revealed to me that the vaccine was a gross deception and not really meant to prevent eye problem as the people were told. I was made to understand that the vaccine was like a concoction/spell made to make all people follow the antichrist.

Then, I saw a man (name with-held).With all his strenght, he was grossly blaspheming God Almighty (revelations 13:6). I was shocked.

Brethren, this is the time to be filled with the Holy Ghost. We are almost at the midnight hour. Darkness has covered the whole earth. Behold HE cometh in the cloud very soon. Watch and Pray
We will try to get across as many more things as are revealed.

CONCLUSION
Truly, as Isaiah 29:15-16 puts it, the plans of the enemy cannot be hidden from God. Thank God that He has made open to us what the enemies are trying to conceal from our knowledge. Though, the threats of the enemy are real yet they are empty, if we absolutely trust in God and hearken to HIS words.

ACTIONS
• Begin to watch and pray as He said in Luke 21:36 to be able to escape all the things that will soon happen to earth (great tribulation). What is happening now is child’s play. What will happen to those that miss the rapture will be terrible. We shall look into those things later. Repent of all sins, forgive people, fast, pray, watch, drop all worldliness.

PRAYERS
• Repent of all SINs and pray that He cleanse and sanctify you with His blood. Please do this as many times as possible daily.
• O Lord, Let me escape and let the enemy of my soul fall into the pit he has dug.
• Lord Jesus, give me the grace of watchfulness and readiness for your coming.
• Lord Jesus, give me the grace of the 5 wise virgins.

For more information, question or contribution, please send email to us at raptureglorious@gmail.com and please tell others to join us. We will like to get as many people as possible ready for rapture. We wish nobody goes through the great tribulation. What are happening now are child’s play. Shalom

so every body who wants to buy chicken will become superstitious that it has been sacrificed to satan.
All these foolish people who make pronouncements without solution.
Assuming this junk is truee, wat is the solution?

The bible says -- all food is good for meat if sanctified by Thanks Giving and Prayer!!!
(paraphrase)
that destroys whatever must have been diabolically used to make it..

please u folks who gobble any thing in the name of christianity , know that the bible
specifically states that He God hasnt given u a spirit of fear, and at the End
the solutiion is always in the Word of God!!
some christians have gorged on these kind of stories to teh extent they're
living zombies, looking for a demon bhind every door,
cringing at every person they meet, cuz they've been wizened to see them as witches/wizards etc..

more over the Bible says He , Jesus, has given believers the Holy Spirit, to guide them into all truth..
supposing a meet is sacrificed to satan, how can an unwary person know?
you cant , so paranoia is uncalled for.

I hav stopped reading this kinda messages because theyre kinda junky.
i know many believers who got so interested in these kinda messages because they believed they were going to
gain more information to equip them to become more effective christians,
but it degenerated into a spiral of trying to know the devil's every move.
They think they're being spiritual, with their ignorant prayers.

These same people would begin wavering into som form of odd prayer patterns believing
that they were smart and more effective:
e.g
praying into the moon,
praying into the moon at midnight etc
screaming at the top of their voices when praying
clapping their hands and shaking their heads when praying
being so suspicious of every thing, a lady who practiced this kind of stuff gave me her phone number,
i misplaced it - this happened many years ago - you need to see how irate she had become.
some christians aint ready for this,because it will drive fear into them, making them
incapable of operating spiritually.

At the end of th day what is the final arbiter- the Bible.
A christian who takes his bible seriously, and prays and obeys the Bible and listens to the voice of the Holy spirit
will succeed, not the Bible and some other books of so called visions.

now as it is:
how will a christian know which is a true vaccine or not? - no way. Except God reveals to them.But ppl
who feed on this stuff just added one more reason to become more paranoid.

how will a christian know between fake anointing and real one? - no way. Except for God.

The Bible categorically says , Fear not.

The Bible never says Prayer is the key - like most ppl sing.
But that God honours his Word above his name.
The Bible says, christians should grow in the spirit by feeding on the word.
when posting supposed revelations like this - please go back and give full bible solutions.
Everything boils down to the word.
No witch/wizard/occultist needs to confess the efficacy in the Blood of Jesus, because,
the bible clearly states "and they overcame him (the devil , etc) by the BLOOD of the Lamb and the Word of his testimony..".

if you read something and it is not edifying.. building you up - please discard it.
I believe some of these stories have given Satan the Glory that should be given to God.
I'll rather read a good christian book. teaching me how to work in victory..

right thinking people know atheism is as deviant as homosexuality..
and though it may try to go main stream thru legal injunctions it will just never click in,
man is a God-worshipping being.
That said- , modern societies, with sound human right laws, giv individuals freedom of expression,belief, and religion.
It shouldnt be an issue wat u believe in,but man will always be man- vocal when he thinks he found a wrong he should dutifully correct.

I read this post and saw "have you PIERCED him Yet today!"
i immediately clicked to see who wrote this bold blasphemy thinking it was an atheists,
only to see a different title!!
hmm.
eye tricks!!!....
but then that's a title worth meditating on!!
many pierce him everyday with their wicked acts when they should know better.
I guilty as well.
May God help us all . Amen.

Kay 17: 1. God is a necessary being

2. If God exists, he necessarily exists

3. God is a Supernatural Cause.

4. Causes can be Natural.

5. A cause is either supernatural or natural.

6. A cause is not necessarily Supernatural.

7. Therefore God is not necessary and hence can not exist.

Your conclusion from the premises is absurd and wrong..
5.) A cause is either supernatural or natural
(i.e a cause can have a supernatural or natural agent)
that means there is a binary possibility of the origin of the cause. only 2 possible originators of the cause.

6.) "A course is not necessarily supernatural"
i.e
a course is not always the result of a supernatural agency.

this is a rehash of point 5. this point was un necessary.

7.)
therefore God is not necessary, and CANNOT EXISTS.
bunkum.
in other words,
therefore God , a supernatural agent, may not the originator of a cause,
A natural agent may be the originator of the cause.
Therefore if a cause is naturally originated,
it is not at the same time supernaturally originated . mutually exclusive agency.
so if a cause is NOT supernaturally originated,
THEN the originator of that cause CANNOT BE ATTRIBUTED TO be SUPERNATURAL.
this is the conclusion that follows, but the OP twisted it all up.


Your points could be summarized as:
1.) God is a timeless, eternal being.
2.) God is an agent , a causer. (he causes events to occur)
3.) A cause must have an Agent.
4.) A cause can have only 2 types of agents: natural or supernatural.
5.) A cause doesnt need a supernatural agent.
6.) Therefore , since a cause doesnt require a supernatural agent, God is un necessary as as an agency and doesnt exists.


errors:
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#1- u assume all causes can be started without a supernatural agent.
#2- u contradict urself:
God is an agent, a supernatural agent,
and there is a natural agent.
if there are 2 agents, then both agents exists.
if God is an agent (a supernatural agent), then he could produce an event (a cause).

#3- unfounded assumption.
the natural agent is more dynamic,than the supernatural agent.
your premises insinuate this.
that a cause is more likely to be started originated by a natural agent than by a supernatural agent.

#4- ignored implications of a supernatural agency .
A supernatural agency, CAN bring about an event, one out of nothing-
or out of something.
so a supernaturalagent can start a new process from an old one-
using old causes as building blocks for new causes (events)

but a natural agent, cannot summon a supernatural or anykind of being, to bring about an event.

#5- injected assumption :
A supernatural agent MUST use a pre existing CAUSE (an event) ,as building blocks,
to bring about an event.
Because with human agents creating causes, creating out of nothing isnt possible,
all human tangible fabrications rely on old causes..
therefore if this is how it is for Man IT MUST BE THE SAME WAY FOR GOD..
In other words, God has Man's Limitations...
(wrong!)
the argument will always go back to hovering on this point.

#6 - injected assumption2:
a natural agent can produce the same effect as a supernatural agent ( it is acceptd that there are two agents
)
a natural agent is nothing but matter ,acting under some elemental base force.
e.g wind , generated by differing air pressures and gravity,will move and woosh but is mindless.
meanwhile a supernatural agent , is not believed to be mindless but intelligent and logical and dynamic
possessing the faculties of will and volitions , all human characteristics except a physical body.
The natural agent you allude to , isnt on the same par with the supernatural agent in the premise
and so cannot do what the supernatural agent can do based on their characteristics.

Its like saying,
the forces of nature (natural agent)
can build a complex house (the event/cause)
that an architect (supernatural agent ) can do?!

the agents used in your premises have different assumed characteristics so your argument fails on those
false assumptions in the agency premises alone.

if she were in nigeria i wonder wat the situation wud have been with our sub standard everything
including medicare..
some places make certain testimonies possible!

olire: you people are vexing my soul. If he is wrong prove him wrong. Why act immature and start insulting him. Pklease grow up.

A simple google search would have provided so many bible verses to put him straight instead of coming online to
push wobbly opinions of the bible as if theyre facts.
how long has it taken me to prepare the last post above?
You yourselve should have been able to research the facts presented and come to a conclusion yourself.
The hardest part would be finding scriptures but google is your friend here- ..
All these half bakedness should be avoided..
There are complex theological topics that could task the most conscientious theologian but not this
abc issues..
People just want to beliv wat they want to believe,fine.but dont try to twist scriptures
to fit your warped view point.

man is a spirit:
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the spirit of man is the candle of the Lord prov 20v27
note the word: spirit of man..

2.) paul benediction:
and i pray God bless your 1thessalonians 5v23.
"and i pray God your whole spirit and soul and body..."

here paul is listing 3 distinct components of the human constitution..

3.) the body's life comes from the spirit within it.

james 2 : 26

"just as the body without the spirit is dead,..."

4.) The spirit element in man is from God

genesis 2:7
"he breathed the breathe of life into man's nostrils, and (until the breathing, Man was clay. dust,body only ..)
(after the breathing man became ALIVE. therefore something from God's being came into man to make man alive)
became a living soul"

5.) men have spirits - which can sin and bear sin etc

Hebrews 12:23
"the spirits of just men made perfect..."
if these men didnt have spirits these verse wud be a lie..
if these men have spirits , then all men have spirits..

6.)
"tongues come from the spirit of man, non-tongues come from the understanding of man.."
1cor14:14
"if i pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth..."

7.) matthew 26:41
"the spirit is willing but the body is weak.."
(the regenerated human spirit doesnt want to sin but the body/flesh mind component wants to sin)

8.)
"the spirit of man (born again) doesnt want to sin,but the body and mind of man wants to..loves to is inclined to"
romans 7 : 22
" For i delight in the law of God after the inward man (the spirit of man)
but i see a nother law in my members warring against the law of my mind..."

9.) regeneration.. (being born again.)
When a person accepts christ , nothing externally ,becomes new.. .
so it isnt the external features that change..
it is something else..the spirit.

2 cor 5:17 - the order of regeneration begins with the spirit, then the mind,then the body.
the body will be saved..but not now. now,any one who becomes born again receives a new spirit.

10.) job 32 v 8
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there is spirit within the human body.

"for there is a spirit in man and the breathe of the almighty that makes him understand"

11.) God made the human spirit..

Zechariah 12:1
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etc..

12.) God's spirit bears witness with our spirit

Romans 8:16



HELL
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a lil logic is in place.
if the human spirit is in the human body-the person remains alive.
based on james 2:26
, therefore death is nothing but the separation of the spirit from the body.
this means, at death, theres nothing like soul sleep.
where does the spirit depart to?
The earth is for human beings , not for roving spirits...
psalms 115 v16 "the highest heaven belong to the Lord but the earth hath he given to mankind"
. thats Y any non human spirit operating on earth requires a license to do so.
Satan got his license to operate on earth by deceiving Adam and eve,
God , to save Man, needed to become Man, so He could operate on earth and redeem man.
God doesnt act until man asks him to intervene thru prayer,
Satan, possess , man and human vessels to operate also.
in essense- only human spirits , in human bodies, operate the earth..
a spirit without the body cannot operate here..
he has to return to one of two places in the spirit realm. Heaven or hell.

2.) satan contested for moses body ..
jude 1 v 9.
the hint one can get from that verse is that at death spirit beings come
to claim their own.
Angels claim the saints and repartraite them, and
those not saints are claimed by the devil and his demons.
question,would an demon want to leave a spirit hanging around? they'll
want to take that one to a place of torment-cuz they're hateful beings..
they'll want to fast frwd the pain quickly..


3.) the story of lazarus and the rich man..

4.) matthew 10. 28

body and soul can be sent to hell -
so hell is already a place housing departed souls

5.) the lake of fire is distinct from hell..

revelations 20. 15

6.) hell is beneath , in position , relative to the earth..
prov 15 v 24 "

7.) at the last judgement, people in hell will be judged.
they'll be let out of hell for judgement..
then hell will be cast into the lake of fire,
including those in it.
so hell and lake of fire are distinct..
Rev 12 v 13.

summary:
Heaven is a temporary place - for accomodating departed saints.
hell is a temporary place for holding departed sinners..
the ultimated destination of residents of hell, is the lake of fire.
the ultimate destination of saints in heaven is earth.

frm my petspectve as a chrstian its not such a big deal as u thnk.
Most friends u make will fall into 2 affiliations, muslim,xtians.
Muslims usually friend themselves and so do xtians. So close friendshp is usually amng religious grounds. Otherwise, u'll just b grazg acquintances - hi/hello ,how is d family bla bla.
Light acquiantances dnt care abt religion.
Then, for being bothered i dnt thnk its an issue.
My christian friends r irreligious- my pastr friend wakes up to turn on d radio frst. We dnt dscuss bible issues . We talk women, hrsh employers,job situation, movies (esp movies) . My other friend musc, etc.
The only people who care a bit are women , cuz they tickg some requiremnt list of d man they want to chill with in their head, bt if they really wanna chill wth u,theyll try to chnge u.

If u live in an urban community,its mor like evrybody mind your business.
If u live in a more rustc communal settg, it cud b bothersome as d neighbours will
gossip abt u.
Ive never been preachd to by a muslim.
But in d past 2 years, ive never been preachd to by a christian one on one, u may xperience some preachg to if u ride a bus often,
or u you may hear an early morning preachr.


9ja isnt like malaysia,dubai,or saudi arabia . Infct most ppl ar atheist at heart,but engage in christian traditions,cuz theyre
too scared of societal censure..
All vice tht a devil can do they do.
Name it, they do it.

nep2ra: It's not surprising to see hell fire and tithe proponents frothing at the mouth as they anticipate smelling burning flesh from their many mansions in heaven. This is how a wicked heart thinks. By their fruits you shall know them.

In trying to give shaky foundations to their false teachings, they have gone ahead to create God in Man's image. What results is the damnable heresies we see on this forum.

it wud b better if u dnt try to make d bible say what u wud like it to say but rather report the truth as is written, if ur a christian.
If ur an atheists or non christian,then ur reaction, is to b xpcted and counts for nothing in d present context.

frosbel: I think we can console ourselves with the truth which is in Jesus and the comfort that comes from our hope in GOD's mercy and fairness , we do not need to console ourselves with Hell. If you want to meditate on HELL day and night , though it is a fallacy, all I can say is enjoy those beautiful moments.

On a more serious note, you have a zeal for God and I predict you will discard these false doctrines not long from now, the seed has been planted and God will work on you. I was like you only a few years ago , until I dumped the creeds and dogmas of deeperlife to carry out an independent study , with support from the results of decades of research carried out by berean brothers with heavy scriptural support.

scriptural support tht told u tht hell is not real!
More like u got all confused like a cat playing with a ball of knitting wool.
U studies got u mor tangled up.
U dnt believe man is a spirit, u dnt believe there's hell!
If study som more u'll prob'ly come up wth a damnable heresy like circumcision is necessary to make heaven or smtin wrse...
Christianity is plagued by zealots like u who are in a rush to scream half baked truths or distrted interpretations of scripture as if theyre holy facts..

Kay 17: Why are you ppl like this?! Is it chance or God that makes water boil??! C'mon. Think

does water jump into a kettle,wch evolved by CHANCE , move to a stove tht evolved by CHANCE strke match direct the flame to a burner and boil all by CHANCE.
the emotional outburst are unnecessary. Stay on d logic lane..

Kay 17: [b]the universe either has a supernatural cause or natural cause, and a natural cause is more plausible.

defend this statement

Kay 17: Something can not come out of Nothing. So a natural world is selfexistent

from this argument, u already negate scientifc answers to d wrlds origin. Even godless science agree tht d world has an origin.

2. You demonstrate an ability to digest an idea of an eternally existg object.
So y does it seem strange to u atheists to assimilate a notion of an alwys existg being-God?

Kay 17: @striklmyi

Natural and supernatural causes compete, and if you noticed I said a cause can either be natural or supernatural. Remove from your mind any superiority you believe the supernatural has over the natural.

Hence the universe either has a supernatural cause or natural cause, and a natural cause is more plausible. So the supernatural is merely a second option, its not compelling necessary.

you wish a natural cause is more plausible. Logically thts dog poo ,
you credit to chance the faculty of intellect far mor superior thn even d collectve brain power of d best brains can configure! Blind mindless chance did this!!
Mor like willful self deception

diluminati: its a pity you dont know paul was a closet egalomaniac

and without him u wudnt hav most of d new testament. You shd go dwn and thnk God for this soul who lived, the greatest thinker after christ to ever live.
Ur myopia,like those of narrow minded ppl only makes them see the speck and magnify it.

ifeness: Women must not have authority over men

Women should be silent in church

Women are inferior to men


Women must cut their hair off if they don't cover it: If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut of!!!! It should be obvious to anyone that Paul is not expressing God's view of women. Paul is obviously expressing his own bizarre bias against women. The men who wrote the Bible often reflected a degrading view of women

My humble question 2 all christian women , do u think it is worth for u 2 follow such a crap religion which has such a bias view and prejudice towards women and made women a subclass of men?

where does it say women ar inferior to men? Injectg ur atheist baise to support ur point.

the passage shows tht Jesus christ is God , in nature, as much as God d father, the highest class of Being ever Yet or Inspite of that He submitted Himself to d divine plan of God the Father, all parts of the Holy Trinity hav Distinct Roles they play in the cosmic agenda. And compliance is unreservedly given by all parties involved:members of the trinity.
In d human sense, individuals of high status get resentful if they hav to perform functions tht dents their dignity but Jesus , without resentment, chose to bcome man- a humbling experience. Cuz he'd b hemmed in by his humanity: no more omni presence,omni potence, omni science while in human form.
Very degradg and limitg.
For omni science, and omni potence (knowg and ability) , he had to depend on the Holy spirit And obey the holy spirit. Thts y prior to d baptism of d holy spirit,Jesus performed no miracles.
He was just a carpenter's son.
In d stong of d woman caught in adultery, He had to wait for an answer frm d Holy spirit b4 replyg
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God on His part had to Resurrect Jesus from the Dead, Jesus ddnt bring up himself.
Jesus also had to endure public floggg and humiliation and to top it up He who knew no sin had to be sin, i guess this was too much for Jesus to take mentally, but Jesus prayed thru in d garden submittg his Will to the father's will , until in the end He , Jesus will was totally submitted to the Father's will.
But there's a joyful endg.
There was a reward actually for the act of endurg the cross and humiliation.
So all parts of d Trinity partcpated in d salvation of Mankind and it entailed som uncomfortable decisions.

In real life, one way to look at it,is to envision the status of Husband and wife in a marraige.
Wife is not inferior or lower to husband , but for harmonious functiong of d family, husband makes d decision and wife submits and cooperates wth d decision instead of contestg it.
Without d harmonisation of will they will b conflict and no progress.

is this story tru? Seems doubtful. But if is.. Girl,dnt blame..ur greed lured u .. To get milkd. Happy learng.

y cant i post in d religious section with d user id:kambo. Y is this so. And hw can my id b activated. U mods shd act professnl and not take core actions without notifyg affctd parties.Reply.

hei. I used the id kambo but i cudnt post here. Can i know y? If u mods want to ban a person y not forward d notice to his email address with comprehensive reasons, duration of the ban and anti dotes. Face book does this. Thats more professional thn a poster hitting a stone wall. Please treat this post as important. Thnk u.

@ninja4life
wat does it tell you.
If ur objective and not lookig for points to support ur pre assumed stance we can debate it. Or reason it. If i dnt knw i'll say so but most of ur points against God ar puny and subjectve.

there's d issue of d fruit of d tree of life, which if they'd eaten in their disconnected state cud have created a perverse creation. They wud live forever, but their spirits wud still b disconnected from God! Imagine wat wud hav happened if some of d most evil men in d world lived forever!