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Hettymoore: I was taught that when the devil tries to destroy u, u turn to God. I cannot blame the devil cause I dnt serve him, I expect God to help me not the devil. except all what ve been taught wre lies, anyways thanks for the comment. bt I honestly dint get any help from it, just condemnation and telling me what I already know. peace

a typcl woman. U reply quickly and digest lightly.
I ddnt tell u wat u knew and frm ur response u'v already taken a stance - to pitch d blame on God 4 ur sexuality.
It pays to let God's wrd permeate u because wat i see is tht ur self righteous in ur eyes. Now u want to justify homosexuality and accuse God.. You r on own there.
"i was taught tht when d devil tries to destroy u turn to God".
And you've turned to him and He's deserted you, right. Complete d statement?
The bible says Resist the Devil and He will flee from you.
If ur xpectg God to tht fr u, ur wastg ur time. U dnt ask God to fight Satan for u? Ths is where many christians get it wrng.
The bible says u shd cast dwn imaginations and every thought tht EXALTS ITSELF against d knowledge of God. You,not God is to do it.
The tots strted as seeds Satan planted in ur mind and it grew and grew and ppl say pray abt it,f.ck a man,etc. But d strnghold is still there in ur mind- you ,if ur born again,is d one to take d wrd of God and the shield of faith to wage war against d battle 4 ur mind.

"i expect God to help me not d devil. Except all we'v been taught r lies"
God isnt helpg u . Poor girl, ur strugglg and God has frskn u .
Hw will God help u wen u thnk like this?
God has gvn u all u need to b victorious.the blood,the wrd the name of Jesus,the Holy spirit. But
frm ur attitude .. It's apparent u cant b helped. U dnt wnt to b helped u want 2 blame God.

Read d bible 4 urself and dnt just swallow anyman's interpretation.


"but i honestly didnt get any help frm it. Just condemnation and..."
i dnt xpct u to get any help frm ths either. It takes humilty to benefit frm gud advce.
U prob'ly wnt get any help frm NL either. And u prob'ly will blame God for ur predcament....
It's ur life.

hypocrites. Jesus: "and many will say to me on tht day. Lord Lord didnt i cast out demons in your name and did many miracles in your name but i will say to them Depart from me Ye workers of iniquity.. "(paraphrased..)

the bible ddnt say go ye into d wrld and preach condemnation.
The sin loomg b4 d unbeliever is dat of rejectg God's substitute 4 their sin.Jesus.
It is d sin of unbelief.
After they accept Jesus, God will equip them to live holy, by gvg thm the Holy spirit. It's now left to them to decide to grw in d spirit.
Spiritual maturity isnt an over nght thng. Not justifyg sin, but
a sinner is like a pig , cant help lovg mud (sin), cnt chnge the pig into a clean one by beratg ,shamg,threatng, . Only by transfrmg into anoda clean being can they b clean! Pastrs shd correct ths trend. Trouser,weave on etc

@striky

you're are cathlic so ur viewpoint is of course biased.
Read wat i said carefully and evaluate in d light of d bible.
"a gud atheist will go to heaven" - says who? D pope.
Conversely, a bad atheist wont go to heaven.
Therefre wat qualifies an atheist - who doesnt believe in God or Heaven or Jesus- is the atheist's behavior on earth. In other wrds the atheist's wrks.
Not the atheists faith in Jesus finished wrks.

The gospel accordg to d pope.

"where did d pope sin?"

without even quotg scripture, dyu know how many ppl who dnt know d bible will b swayed by this lie?
Tht consequence is alone d outcome of a sin. Like i said d pope needs to b saved himself and/or ask God fr forgiveness.

Paul says "if anyman preach to u anoda gospel let him b ACCURSED!".
(find d verse)
"Jesus says if ANY MAN add or subtract anythg to this words
God will add to him plagues or punishments /subtract his portion in d book of life "(heavily paraphrased. Find it).
Again, for his pronouncement alterg the wrd of God to say wat it never said he has sinned and has severe judgement loomg against him.

You hav to decide who moves u, d pope/catholic traditions or the Bible.

because they human like other humans theyre full of hypocrisy. The bible says be a doer of d wrd not a hearer only Decievg ur selves. The bible says God cannot b mocked whatever a man sows tht shall He reap. I know a pastor who rinses his mouth with aromatic schnap every morng. But whos zoomng who? Like aretha frnklin asked?

striktlymi: Morning Kambo,

This is rather interesting...



You forgot to state the part of the 'good' pope's speech that is heretical? By 'heresy' I assume that you mean a teaching or opinion that is directly against the dictates of sacred scriptures.



That should be John3:3 which is very much in order...what part of the pope's speech (homily) negates this part of sacred scriptures?



That should be Isaiah 64:6...which is in order...but one simple question: If you do wrong e.g commit murder, rape etc and refuse to change till you die but you are born of 'water and the spirit' and believe in Christ, will you make heaven?

Again, what part of the pope's speech is against this part of sacred scriptures?

the scriptures cannot b broken.
Its either God's wrd or a deluded man's wrd.
Pope or no pope. He did pope needs to b born again.
Anyway,if a man commits murder d bible says no murderer has eternal life residg in him. So dat answers ur q.
D pope needs to b saved and ask Jesus to wash him with d blood of d lamb ... He has sinned.


Ok striky,
scriptures is replete wth admonition, dat we are saved by Grace Thru Faith in Jesus and tht (both d grace and d faith) is not of ourselves (i.e not sth man came up with) lest Man shud boast (if man's effrt earned him credit for salvation man wud most certainly brag abt his wrks).
It goes on to say, God has given saved man d gift of righteousness.
So tht wen God looks @ man he is as righteous as God expects.
With these gift of righteousness on man, man can now come BOLDLY to d throne of grace and interact wth God.
In the OT d priest dat went into d HOLY OF HOLIES went with dread and trepidation, and tied bells around his waist and a rope tht extended outside . Y?
Cuz if he wasnt 'clean' enuff, probly accordg to d law, he'd die while officiatg!
Bttm line. Man's holiness just dont cut it.
Man cant clean himself up enuff,thru doing gud wrks, to atone 4 his sins. Only d wrk of Jesus is acceptable to God and Jesus wrk bcomes man's substitute! The pope spoke heresy and lies.

wen there's a prblem Ppl blame God. Hav u considered d enemy of ur soul satan?
Y is it wrong? Cuz d One who designed u ddnt design u to sleep with a wmn.
In genesis it says He (male) shall leave his Father and Mother and they shall bcom 1, sexually i guess.
God made a help meet for adam, a wmn.
Nt a man.
Homosexuality is satanic and Devilish and intended to corrupt God's divine plan. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah 4 this peversion. It is a perversion-reject it in ur mind as such.
Theyve told u to pray, .....
First, know d truth bf prayg.
Dig into God's wrd , read about ppl who've overcome,
read about marraige and ask for revelation on d matter.

They told u try a d.ck and u did....
Yeah, so many clueless chrstians gvg advce. U just forncted .. Its equally bad.
Again, the truth not sex or prayer will set u free.
Like i said investgate God's will on d matter.
B convinced abt God's stand on d matter.
Make a choice whether 2 continue lesbian or adjust 2 God's way (God wnt frce u.)
if u choose to continue in God's way ... Then theyre some other thngs u can do to gain full and complete deliverance..
But it anchors on whether u really want 2 chnge or not..
Besides, wen u face a problem dnt in ur ignorance strt blamg God.. Thts insultg and disrespectful.
Besides its d devils gimmick to take ur attention of him ,the enemy, and attck ur Helper,God!
Dnt b ignorant of d devces of d enemy.
Theyre ppl who were like u bt today theyve been delivered and are now happily married to d opposite se.xx.

where is version 1.0 at? Site address pulliz! Y only prgrammers by d way is any nl prgrammer gonna contributg code? Open it up to all user types.

ur rght wmn ar terrbly pompos and it stnks.
It permeates their being no thnks 2 low esteem men crwlng up to thm 2 get their attntn.
Basclly in relationshps most men dnt date their equals intellctlly, financially and socially . The guy oftn has 2 upgrade d chck to hs standrd . D chk of his stndrd will b too hgh mnded 2 relate.

and ppl wonder whether there's a devil!
religion of peace indeed...

FOLYKAZE: is the heaven your family house? See this crazy christian claiming right for catholic heaven. You are totally brainwashed.

Well, I dont give a damn about christian heaven. I prefer satanist hell or the muslim heaven. I cant sing and praise god for eternity in christian heaven. I wanna flex with chicks in hell

Your right its a catholic heaven.
Dyu know that when the catholic church ran out of money once they sold bans (certificates) granting the holder
access to heaven?
This is the junk u get wen an apostacy is believed...

no be only atheists in heaven.
Son prostitutes and politicians who've looted the treasury will begin buyg plots in glory land!!

plaetton: Have you forgotten that the catholic church is THE CHURCH?

Do you think that you half-baked (more like roasted) pentecostal brain knows more about the words of Jesus than Pope Francis?

He he he.
A wayward child repudiating his mother.
An Abomination.

YOu an atheist speaking from the darkness of ur mind.. what dyu know?
Go and get saved and filled with the Holy spirit b4 u try to interprete the Bible..its a closed book to u.

frosbel: Reference my detailed response to your original comment above.

Your post can't be quoted - NL software wahala!!.

I'd addressed the spirit of man issue much earlier.

the spirit in man, gives man understanding (Job).
God imparted that spirit,not by moulding a body like he did for man's body
but imparting a part of himself . into Man.
When God did that, Man become distinct, so you see from God's act , that
God can extrude from himself, distinct entities, and those entities can b , self determining
beings.
Man was just clay, until the breathe of the Almighty (the extrusion from God ),
came into man and man became conscious.
So obviously, from that single entity God imparted into man, came the faculty of
reasoning,thinking,self awareness,etc AND STILL it was a spirit. so
within the entity called the spirit must be the other faculties - that enable self awareness . or so.

2.) the spirit and the soul are distinct.
2thesolians5v23.
hebrews 4:12 (dividing of soul and spirit, bone and marrow)
in the illustration from that verse you can see that just like bone and marrow are connected
but not the same,
soul and spirit are not the same!!.
but theyre interconnected.
And as you can see , just like the marrow nourishes the bone,
and the bone encases the marrow,
also
it can be clearly inferred that the soul encases the spirit and sorrounds it and is nourished by the spirit.

The soul acts like a filter-- filtering the contents of the spirit.
in the soul resides the thinker,emotions,etc.
when praying logicizing, the soul is used..
but the spirit can and should be used..

"the body without the spirit means the body without the breathe of life..."

the bible says:
God is a spirit-
And Man is a spirit, is God a lifeless wisp (breathe of life!)
Man's spirit was breathed into him.
God displays all faculties of an intelligent being,
Angels are spirits ,
so Y dyu think Man's spirit is some inanimate entity?
Man's spirit is fashioned after God's spirit - that's Y
Jesus enjoins that we relate with God with the part of us that most is like God - our spirit.

1 cor 14:14 - says your spirit can pray. can breathe pray! only living beings can pray . it is ur spirit that is the living entity not your body or mind.
v15: I will sing with the spirit i will sing with the intellect!!
The spirit of man can be the inspiration for what we utter or sing, or the intellect can!
a mere wisp can't.
Your spirit is a being..

A little thinking will show you that spirits in the bible are intelligent,capable of feeling (demons cry out in fear of torment), can be tormented(demons wander in dry places seeking rest and find none) etc
Then Y should man's own be any different which is fashioned after God's spirit.

"does not represent Man, but the God supplied life!!" -

if any man be in Christ he is a new creature - old things have passed away behold all things have become new!

when some1 becomes born agian- the body doesnt get new. The mind doesnt get new.
it is his spirit.
"as new born babes (new born after what!? after receiving Jesus christ our spirits are like babies)
sincerely desire the sincere milk of the word that ye may grow thereby" (find this verse for yourself)
would u grow an essence? you grow a being, and our spirit shares similarities with our bodies.
it can grow. it can be fed (Man shall not live by bread alone but by everyword..)
it can be strenghtened ( it can engage in war ; ephesians put on the whole armor of God - on wind!?
No. but on a spirit being - the hidden man of the heart - its a real being)

The similarity to pneuma ,is because , at death,it departs the body like "wind",it exits the orifices of the body,
like the nostrils or mouth. and when it leaves the Body ,the life of the body has left ,because the body has no life
of its own it is the spirit within the b ody that gives it life.

the body is the house of the spirit.
1 cor 5:1
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it is called a tent.
paul doesnt call the body a being but a container for the real him - his spirit.
when a christian/saint dies he is absent from the body but goes to be with Jesus.
2Cor5:8 - nothing like soul sleep.
if this is so then it corroborates with the passage that says the body without the spirit is dead.
and it corroborates with the verse which say, the body is just a tent.
the real you ,is your spirit.
and this also shows on the converse that those who are not saved go to be in the Devil's den - hell.

1 thes 5:23
"the author is listing 3 distinct aspects of the human being: spirit,soul,body"
you can argue and say wat u like.

"the soul is the whole man..."

if the soul and the spirit were not distinct they couldnt be divided by the word - see Hebrews.
if the were not distinct, the they wudnt be listed with different words in 1 Thessalonians..
besides i showed u the spirit prays,sings, grows, feeds on God's word,is recreated at the new birth,..
is called a Man (the hidden man of the heart),
is in Gods image etc..

The holy spirit bears witness without OUR SPIRIT , think of it.
the holy spirit is an intelligent being,not wind or breeze,the holy spirit can be grieved,
the Holy spirit, speaks,the Holy spirit guides ,the Holy spirit teaches,
and this Holy spirit speaks to our spirit (bears witness) , if our spirit were not of the same form as God's
spirit, how would they relate?

Lastly.

in revelations,
the author was in the spirit , in the spirit he penned the book of revelations.
Think of it, he spoke with angels, saw heaven,interacted, with his spirit.
it specifically says - He was in the spirit - how cold he be in the spirit realm if not by his spirit.

pray and ask God to open ur eyes to the truth..
you are a spirit.

nep2ra: ^^^ You mean the Aramaic word Sheol meaning grave, often translated hell.

You seriously need education.

To you the word shoel means earthly grave right?
if so,then why would God waste his time warning the wicked about a place that encompasses all souls,good and bad!!
think!
its like saying all the wicked will breathe!! - is that a warning!!.

frosbel: I am afraid , this question like many will go unanswered.

No matter which way you look at it, it is both morally , logically and scripturally impossible for an eternal place of nonstop torment to exist.

YOu can look at it with your human logic and ur skewed moral lens and not see it.
God didnt say you should help him inject meaning into his word.
He himself will shine revelation light on his word when it enters (the psalmist says the entrance of the word giveth LIGHT )
so except u want to be deluded u cant look at it scripturally and make this half assed conclusion.

frosbel: Uhmm, but demons and their leader are presently roaming the earth, there is not one iota of scripture that remotely suggests otherwise.

not one iota of scriptures that suggest wat? that Hell is the for angels and humans?
Hell wasnt created for man?
(2Peter3v9: God's will is not for anyman to go to Hell!)
But demon's and leaders are roaming the earth means their time to be cast into the lake of fire isnt come.
Yet,this Hell not prepared for Man , Jesus warns man about it ?
2Peter2:4
(God didnt spare angels but cast them into hell... )

theyre human spirits in hell (Rev 20:13-15) how did they get there?




Is this the best you can come up with ?

frosbel: 1. Which Hell is the one that God prepared for the devil and his angels , the one that sinners go to after death or the lake of fire ? So God prepared two Hells not ONE because the bible also refers to the Lake of Fire as Hell.

rev20:10 - shows clearly that the Devil and his false prophet beast will b thrown into the lake of fire at the end.
2Peter 3:9: (clearly states that God isnt willing that Any man should perish) ..
the story of lazarus (at death - the rich man was in HELL not lake of fire )
reconcile that with 2ndPeter and u'll see both hell and the lake were not Gods will for man.
angels in chains in Hell - also shows that That place is for them. (2nd Peter 2:4 "cast them down to HELL"
so both hell and lake of fire were created for the Devil and his angels.

Give a verse that shows the bible referring to the Lake of fire as Hell.

And in your mind - do u see that in revelations one gets tossed into the other? doesnt that teach you
theyre distinct?

frosbel: Eternal reward is given after Judgement not before, stop twisting and messing up scripture

YOu should be able to understand a metaphor..
The wicked and does who dont make heaven dont even have a reward!
but they go their respective zones - heaven or hell. after death.
Going to hell doesnt affect the judgement of the dead- they'll be resurrected in the
end to face the great white throne judgement before being cast into the lake of fire..

frosbel: 3. You say that MAN has been judged but Satan has not been judged ? The bible disagrees, SATAN has been judged already.

"Judgment will come because the ruler of this world has already been judged." - John 16:11

the Devil has been judged- . Jesus said they have.
I said the Devil has not yet been judged?!
(that was a wrong statement,i made,i retract it.)
I should have said,the devil and his angels have not yet been dispatched , repatriated to their abode..
The idea is The devil still has freedom to operate because he hasnt time isnt up.

frosbel: Also MAN has ONLY ONE judgement to appear before , and that is the white throne judgement , for the bible says that after death it is appointed unto man to judgement, in the interim all the dead are awaiting resurrection of their bodies for this great occasion.

In the interim. while waiting for the great White throne Judgement,
the spirits of the dead, are in either hell or heaven. (the lazarus story clearly illustrates this)
in addition (Hell giving up its dead illustrates this in revelations)
moreover Jesus warning his listeners ,all of whom are dead, to beware of Hell illustrates this.
He said they should be careful of him who could cast into hell , if they couldnt go to hell
after death, Jesus wouldnt have used the word Hell.

frosbel: "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." - 2 Corinthians 5:10


The scripture above destroys your theology on this subject, we are judged ONCE when Jesus comes and ONLY then we get our reward not before.

The scripture above shows your confusion.
The Judgement or reward for the dead sinners is the Second death!! - which is when hell and death is thrown
into the lake of fire- and it is christened the second death.

But in the mean time, their bodies are in some grave somewhere ,on earth, while their spirits
ar languishing in Hell! (again,the lazarus story illustrates this).

frosbel: The correct Interpretation using the famour KJV is :

"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" - Matthew 8:29

correct. But theyre scared of their place of torment.. (Hell or the lake of fire).

frosbel: Using ONE Parable or let's say ONE scripture to form a theology on a major doctrine is at best illogical and portrays a lazy attempt to decipher the word of GOD, in this case with abject failure.

Another daft reply.
The story of lazarus and the rich man, gives a graphical ,the only graphical depiction of
the post death life of 2 departed souls.
other scriptures corroborate it but no one in the entire Bible depict so graphically.
Besides for you to read it and call it a parable is most pitiful. you've got wools all over your eyes.

frosbel: And , Jesus warned about Gehenna which is the lake of Fire, not an interim Hell.




Wrong again and yet again, the bible uses HELL for both , except in revelation 20.

a lil wisdom is in place .
if hell and the lake of fire ar the same, then you cant throw one into the other!
think.
Jesus spoke of hell, and the lake of fire but never mingled the two.

frosbel: Not sure what you are on about , but the bible refers always to MAN as a mortal, flesh, dust, Soul etc, never as a spirit. What bible do you read ?

old issue . i had addressed this b4.

frosbel: If you guys took a deep breath , calmed down and exhibited some humility, maybe we can learn together, unfortunately you think you know it all and are therefore unwilling to learn.

Why do you guys resort to abuse when you start to lose an argument ?

ok. Moderator.
His question reeked of WISDOM!
..
U shud decipher btw an abuse and a strng wrd.

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]ur subjectivity @ work again.
U seem confused abt wat a spirit is and its destination.

Let me ask u?
If the spirit isnt d Man, then wat becomes a new creature @ salvation?

Why does d NT refer to it as d "Hidden Man" of d heart?

You call it an essence?
But the bible says it prays?
Still confused?

nep2ra: I'm just wondering why there's no mention of hell fire in the Old Testament. How come the idea of this eternal place of torment suddenly spring up in the New Testament as claimed by our flesh burning fanatics. Did God suddenly have a light bulb moment and decide to create hell fire? If that's the case, will he apply retroactive justice to sinners from the Old Testament? Or is the God of the Old Testament from the New Testament one?

u dnt knw d bible yet u make conlusve statemnts.

"all d nations tht forget God shall b turned into Hell" a verse in psalms.

Wen some families contested the authority of Moses, the ground opened swallowing them alive..

Verses in proverbs sayng hell is beneath..



Ur question reeks of d ignorance in u. Do som research b4 typing off.

ijawkid: Ahhh I sÉe.....just up above the story of the rich man and lazarus which is the first verse of luke 16 the parable had its introductory part as ""a certain man" and immediately after that you expect me to read the story of the rich and lazarus which had the same begiNning and then discard it as a parable??....

NO WAY my bro...it doesn't work that way....and so I ask should I discarÐ the stories of the prodigal son and the rest that had the same introductory pattern as parables??..........the reason why you're on about this story being a real life story is because you have fixed your thoughts on just wicked persons suffering in Hell and nothing else....

Now may I ask you mr hell fire apologist :::....

1..Was the rich man a wicked man to deserve been burnt up in Hell??......

2...What did lazarus do to deserve being in heaven??...

3...Besides was lazarus in heaven??....

More questions are coming but this would do.....

Since you're quick to say that this story isn't a parable then be ready to give full explanation of it.......

mr. No hell fire apologist.
Ur only basis for claimg tht the richman vs lazarus story is a parable is because it had a familiar phrase "a certain ".
But let me show u d phrasg used for u to judge.

kjv.
The good samaritan:
"a certain man ..." luke10v30.

the parable of d great banquet:
luke14v16:
"A certain man ..." KJv
the prodigal son:
luke15v11:

"a certain man..." kjv

the rchman and lazarus:
luke16v19:
"there WAS a certain rich man..."
v20:
"amd there WAS a certain beggar NAMED .."

y was there a change in phrasg?
And Y did a fictitious character in d 'parable' hav a name?

Was it Jesus character to assign fictotious names to characters in his parable to spice up d story?
Y ddnt he assign som false name to d character in d prodgl son, d chrcter in d weddg banquet, d character in d good samaritan?
Yet with d rich man and lazarus he ddnt stop at sayg beggar but mentioned his name?

Bring ur brains wt u. Wen u com to argue scriptures,

questions 1,2 r meanngless because d Bible is silent on his atrocity so no one can manufacture dat infrmation u seek.
It meangless cuz d answer to it doesnt change d scripture or make it more true.

Is abraham's bossom heaven?
The answer to this question cannot b inferred frm d bible verses neither does change d story. But usg ur senses u can conjecture wat it is?
A place of rest.peace. Comfrt to a departed soul.

frosbel: Let me ask you a few questions :

1. Can you show us from the beginning in Genesis , a clear account of the separate creation of a spirit being called MAN , before the actual body was formed from the dust.

2. Is GOD still creating spirits for MAN at each conception of a Human

3. If we are Soul , Spirit and Body, what happens to the Spirit after death ,seeing that the Body returns to the dust and the soul to your heaven or hell.


Thanks.

it seems u r d unpersuadable opinionated type.
If God's wrd cant persuade - thn ur in a hopeless state and hav willfully chosen 2 plow about in darkness.
Ur questions bother on willful obstinacy.

Somebody points u to d new testament verses showg u tht man is tripartite like God is yet u turn a blind eye to ask anoda question on d same issue!
In d same new testament it says d body wtout d spirit is dead!
U want sb to show u how a spirit looks or feels like first.
If ur a non christian ur blindness cud b understandable but fr one wu professes christianity ur pathtc.
All a chrstian cn do is shw u frm d wrd . D wrd is d fnl arbiter more authortatve thn any other evdence includg ur five senses or science.

Ur question 3 is daftness.
"if we are body soul and spirit what....".
Thessalonians says u are body soul and spirit, there is no if.
U either say the bible is a lie (whch doesnt chnge it. ) or u take it as d truth and chnge ur thnkg.
Wat happens to d soul and spirit after death, havg a satisfactory answer to this question doesnt
make the bible verses more tru.


Question2:
theres a verse in job sayg,
there is a spirit in man,

theres a verse sayg d spirit of man is d candle of d lord

theres a verse in thessalonians sayg God bless your spirit,soul,body.
In ur thnkg wud God give a select ppl spirits and others none?


Ur question 1 is a leadg question.
D bible isnt written to suite u.
D bible is silent about how d spirit of man is created.
Can u say by ur twsted logc,tht man isnt related to adam and partake of adam's sin simply cuz God doesnt form human beings from dust anymore?
If man is created in Gods image,wat prt of man is mor like God being tht God doesnt occupy a physcl body?

Do a lil thnkg dude.
If u want to call d scriptures lies do so plainly instead of arguing on after d bible has answered ur questions.

i've been there.
Last year i was to prepare 4 an exam but kept procrastinatg, wen i wanted to study i wud feel very very tired like i had been toilg all day.
I felt lazy to exercse my body..
Frst my mind was in a whrl ... But ive com 2 know it's spiritual. And it's fleshly..
I took out a chart and began monitorg myself, wen i prayed Frst thng in d morng i seemd able to cope better.. So i concluded tht prayer was necessary.
Try it. Pray, First thng in d morng wth intensity.
2.) pray against anythg tht cud b throttlg ur will.
3.) develop a monthly body exercise program and try to stck to it faithfully.

If u still feel reluctant, theres a strategy i used to use wch i call "action-first", wen ur feelgs are screamg no. And ur totally reluctant, just begin d process, take d action,continue d action, persist wt d action despite feelgs screamg no. If u get gud at ths it cud change u.it's a chrcter asset.

mazaje: The guy and his stories are noting but lies. . .



This ends the show. . .Toluwarni, you have been BUSTED. . .The whole story is a lie. . .Well done. . .Keep lying for Jesus. . .

anoda myopic hater livg in denial.
Ur strategies ar typical as well as foolish.
U dnt know enuff to verify this story.

an ignorant pope spreadg heresy vs d word of God? "except a man be born again, he shall not enter the kingdom of God" "man's righteousness is as filthy rags.. " . If man's goodness cud help a man make heaven Christ needed not to die.

u lied and it bckfred. Make a policy to tell d truth always even @ d threat of death. God is very big on Truth. It's not easy but it's possble. Trvialze d problem, take it as a baptism to higher levels. In d future, u ll look bck and reminisce on this incident.

Creatrixity: Hahahaha!lol
Atheism is not a license to fark anything moving around in skirts!
I am not an atheist but i believe most atheists know better than to partake in such wanton folly and lasciviousness.
Anyways,@op,thank God for you

dawkins promotional slogan was about being free..
Sleepg around ddnt make him an atheists, but being an atheists made him re evaluate his moral principles and justified d wanton ness.

Poster, thank God 4 ur testimony.
You cud easily hav died and Gone 2 hell because u tot d model u built to fit God in didnt fit Him.
Many chrstians hav rejcted God cuz of a failed xpctation.
I replied a post yesterday, where a member was arguing and sayg i wrote nonsense, cuz i stressed tht "PRAYER IS'NT THE KEY" . D bible never anywhere has a verse like tht and many ppl hav paid dearly tryg 2 get answers on dat principle.. It's a subtle deception.
Please nxt time humble urself and investgate ur christianity, the bible is God's wrd and stand up solidly to any scrutiny.

For d atheists , their response will b typically dishonest.
Probability of an event like this being tru is 50-50. It cud a lie or d truth. If it is d truth, mor credence to God (whom they believe doesnt exist) if it is a lie (thn ofcurse atheism is justified), Yet theyll always ignore d other side of d coin tht discredts their belief: prvg
tht atheists here arent based on objectvity but biase,

@barmie uve gven bad advce. D cormen book isnt accessible to laymen (ppl wtout d basic maths bckground. ) u mite aswel recommend knuth's books on d art of computer programmg! To d layprogrammers here.

frosbel: Except , and then you went on to list quite a few other parables


Anyway, I will take it that you are a honest student of the bible, in which case, can you kindly help me assess the statement below :

According to the members of the HELL club, when a man or woman dies in sin, they immediately descend to HELL , which though prepared for the devil and his angels , contains ONLY Human Beings.

In other words, while the devil roams the earth, blissfully causing mayhem, the HELL which was prepared for him is ONLY inhabited by MEN and WOMEN.

Think about this for a moment, does it really make sense ?

Secondly , there are Two Hells if we are to believe that sinners go to HELL after death. The Lake of Fire is also called HELL in the bible. So tell us , which of these hells was created for the devil and his angels, which HELL was Jesus referring to.

I addressed most of these questions in one of my post to Ijaw kid.


"you went on to list a few of the parables"

to correct a misconception injectd by the ijawkid.
there were 4 parables in a pool of many parables only beginng with the words a certain man ...
and their context and reason for being narrated were worth noting..


"Hell which thoug prepared for the devil and its angels contains only human beings"

- so wat about that.?
Men and demons can share it?
It was originally prepared for the devil and his angels, but Man at death begins enjoying his eteranal reward,
which means either going to hell or heaven.
The devil and his angels have not yet been JUDGED - thats what makes the differnce.

When Jesus was casting out demons, they sometimes screamed "have you come to judge us BEFORE THE TIME"
Also note , theyr are angels reserved in chains in hell!!!..

Then if Hell was for only holding yet to be judged demons/satan- why would Jesus speaking TO MEN
warn them about it. 2.) talk of the story of lazarus and the rich man!!



"if they are two hells"

They arent two hells. There is Hell and there is worse than Hell, the Lake of Fire.
Two different places.


"which of this was prepared for the Devil and his angels"

Dyu really read the bible or you just come to NL to argue your opinions?
You said man isnt a spirit, i ran a google search on an online bible and
was overwhelmed by tonnes of verses..
if you can access the internet , so many of your q's would be answered.
at least its great for Bible searches , cuz some verses i know the words but the chapters and numbers
i may not have off head.

In the book of revelations - (find it out yourself)
- Satan, The Beast, the false prophet will b thrown ALIVE into the Lake of fire!!
And SATAN WILL be in TORMENT (NOT ruling or lording thngs over anybody,he'll be gnashing and writhing from
the torment of the Lake!!! - so will the false prophet and the beast - the man of sin).
That shows you that Satan, can access , temporary Hell, bcause his time of Judgement isnt come.
He can even get to heaven to accuse the brethren, like he did in the case of Job.

The lake of fire is never called Hell in the Bible. The Bible is an exact book,it doesnt mix up
things like this.
show me where this is the case.

"which of these hells was created for the devil and his angels"

- the word should b which of these places of torment -
The bible viewpoint is BOTH.

in present hell, Angels are reserved in Chains of darkness. so there are in torment already.

Then, The lake of Fire , in which Satan and the beast and the false prophet , and Death, and Hell will be thrown
into.

ijawkid: How can the boldeÐ not be enough Évidence to show that the introductory part of the story of the rich man and lazarus is a parable??........it is obvious that it is......how can the parable of the shrewd manager which started luke chapter 16 and with the same ""there was a certain rich man"" be a parable and the succeeding story of the rich man and lazarus that started the same way not be a parable??........please how??............

Can we also agree that the parable of the shrewd manager and the prodigal son aren't parables too??.....

Please take a look at how Jesus started this parable too.......

Luke 13:6

6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig
tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to
look for fruit on it but did not find any. ....


If you still insist that the story of the rich man and lazarus isn't a parable then I have questions for you which in your wildest dreams you might not be able to answer...........

Are you ready??

ijawkid: How can the boldeÐ not be enough Évidence to show that the introductory part of the story of the rich man and lazarus is a parable??........it is obvious that it is......how can the parable of the shrewd manager which started luke chapter 16 and with the same ""there was a certain rich man"" be a parable and the succeeding story of the rich man and lazarus that started the same way not be a parable??........please how??............

Can we also agree that the parable of the shrewd manager and the prodigal son aren't parables too??.....

Please take a look at how Jesus started this parable too.......

Luke 13:6

6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig
tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to
look for fruit on it but did not find any. ....


If you still insist that the story of the rich man and lazarus isn't a parable then I have questions for you which in your wildest dreams you might not be able to answer...........

Are you ready??

From your logic "once Jesus used the words "there was a certain man" " it was a parable?
What wen Jesus was talking of a man , who existed yet didnt want to mention the man's name what word would he use?
"a certain man"
infact the word "certain" pertains to certainty.
As for you logic,look at the points i proposed...
What was the moral story conveyed in the Richman and lazarus story viz a vis other parables ...
None!! .
The bible justs states that story and ends there..
You are trying to shoe horn scriptures to fit your logic.
Jesus could have used the words , a particular man, a certain man, there was once a man,
to refer to the man in the story of lazarus and the rich man.

I dont want to rehash my old arguments keep an open mind.
Jesus parable either illustrate the operations of the Kingdom.
The true character of a kingdom character - love (parable of the good samaritan), repentance (the prodigal son),
end of days(wheat and tares), salvation (the wedding banquet,the ten virgins),
etc.
What kingdom concept was the story of the rich man and lazarus conveying
and Y would Jesus use the idea of eternal death to convey it?
In all his other parable simplicity was the key, using easily understood illustrations,
what was so complex in the moral (kingdom concept) Jesus was illustrating with the
parable of the rich man and lazarus that He couldnt find an easier fit?

wake up from your delusion.
Real life characters are not necessary to potray a parable,
But Jesus mentioned abraham and Abraham spoke to the rich man!!!
so much for a parable. you wish it were a parable.

Kay 17: If Everything has an origin, what will God's origin be? What will Reality's origin be? What will be Causality's origin? What will be Nothingness itself's origin??

Your arguments are too bad!

ur questions ar answerable. But answer mine postively or Simply restate ur assumptions clearly.
Ur assumptions shudnt b frced out of u .state and defend them.

My aerguments are consistent....
Dnt bhve immature and wax emotional keep a level head.


I said physclity has an orign else it wud have Always EXISTED makg it eternal.
Now even science doesnt support tht assumption, it believes the earth and universe (perhaps) has an origin.
If d physcl wrld is ETernal then it creates implications wch go against present observations.
Reply. Dont deviate..

Kay 17: Why do you believe Nothing at all existed in the past?

My conclusion is the consequence of all the premises, the conclusion you proposed misses out the key premises: God's attribute of necessity.

because it is consistent with scientic and logcl reasong. Evry thg physcl has an orign.
If ths wasnt so , then physcl thngs wud have no origin theyd b timeless, if thyre timeless then they shdn b degradable either in frm or compostion,but decay of physcality is d norm again prvg tht time is tckg away on physcality.

Wat dyu mean by Gods attrbute of necessity.

Ur premise is tht a cause cud have a natural or supernatural agent.
Then u say, a supernatural agent is not always necessary for a cause to occur,
then conclude tht based on dat God/supernatural agent doesnt exist.
Wch is utterly invalid a conclusion.

How dyu arrve at such a conclusion?

Even d premise wch most readers acceppt as valid contain flawed assumptions.

d story sounds fishy on many parts.
Food in hell?
An evil being with a conversational disposition!
Burng souls who kept their hair!
At variance wt other hell stories where d acidc burner was corrosive.
So fishy.
But anyway, if it is true christ is being preached and God's name is being glorified.
If it is a lie! Wusoever concocted will probly b allowed to xperience d real hell.