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Well,plausible stuff, i read d sambo book in a friends house many mnths bck.
Many ppl dnt agree wth ths hell stories because of d dviations e.g on dressg not immoral but on thngs like trouser,lipstck, weave on, skin lighteng (bleachg) - there is also no clear biblical support fr their condemnation.
Sorry bro the oft quoted verses are out of context.
Other hell books like mary bxter (hell is real), choo thomas (heaven is so real) kenneth hagin (i went to hell) talk on moral deficiencies dat denied ppl heaven. Nvr abt trouser etc.
Again, one thng i see in focusg on ths stories is an unhealthy perception of chrstianity.
The focus isnt avoidg hell, if d focus was avoidg hell, all christians wud b raptured into heavn wen saved. Paul said he had a race to run b4 him..
There's a race set bf evry christian
wch they hve 2 run.
The chrstian will b judged on how well he perfrmd on his God gven assgnment, so ppl sittg around focusg all their attntion on how 2 avoid hell is negatve activity.theyr higher callgs.
It's like an undergraduate focsg his attention on how not to graduate wt a pass degree.
The focus shd b how to graduate wt Frst class!
Paul the apostle was nver hell minded. He was fisrt class minded.
He said forgettg those thngs tht ar behind he presses frwd to the prize of the high calling in Christ..
"high calling in christ".
Wen he was abt to die he said, I hav run my race I have finished My course. Hencefrth is Laid up for me a crown of Glory (paraphrase)
... He was so sure of his future.
He was so sure of havg done perfctly.
Dis is how a christian is suppose to exit this wrld - with a note of Victory.
Not with d fear tht his hidden sins
are going 2 land his ass in hell.
Actually som ppl will b weepn in heavn y? Cuz their wrks wud not stand the test of God's fire!
I knw ths post will b misinterpreted but .. It stands up to biblical scrutiny. We shud hav a warriors mentality, to win and enter heavn in grand style, rather thn a defensve always-watchg-out-for-hell/pray-i-dnt-miss hell mentallity. Theres a big diff btw d 2.

xcept u choose to live in sin after u get saved. Rom8v13.

Paul says in philipians 1v23 "i am torn btween the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far, 24: but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body". I in ths verse is the person paul addreses as himself and indcates tht this person remains in the "body". He clearly shows tht when He departs (death) he is instantly present wt Chrst . The I in ths context is his spirit man,the real Paul, there's nothg like a soul sleep /unconsciousness ..

1thes4:13
"we believe tht Jesus died and rose again and so God will Bring WITH JESUS those who hav fallen Asleep in HIM ". ON Christs return deprted christians will return with Him. How will they return with him if they arent already present with Him? Yet despite ths d dead in Christ will rise frst. (u only need a lil logc to understand ths verse).

It talks of "fallen asleep in him"
"God will bring wth him (those who fell asleep in him)..."
v17"...,and the dead in christ will rise first" (these dead in christ are the same ones who returned with him!
Simple.
Bck to paul's earlier quote "to deprt from the body is to be with Christ". The spirit of those who fell asleep with christ are with christ.
They return with him to possess their bodies at the command of Jesus . Falling asleep is an euphemism for death.
Jesus later told his disciples plainly tht Lazarus is dead!

nep2ra: The Bible is very clear on this.

[color=#FF0000] "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out – those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned"[/color] John 5:28-29 NIV

The words of Apostle Paul:

"...and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." Acts 24:15 NIV

Try to distort this again. There is nothing in the Old Testament that supports an eternal place of torment. I have Jewish friends and I have asked them questions regarding hell fire. There is absolutely NOTHING in Judaism that endorses this sick doctrine.

Hear what Yahweh has to say on this wicked act. Speaking through Prophet Jeremiah, Yahweh says:

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind." ~ Jeremiah 7:31 NIV

If this act of wickedness did not enter the mind of Yahweh in the Old Testament, how come He suddenly had a brainwave and decided it was time to build an eternal furnace of torment?

God sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross as a substitute for man's sins so man wouldn't suffer for eternity in Hell fire? Was God successful in His mission? If your answer is yes, why is there still need for hell fire? Except you are saying God failed in his mission.

Again, we hear Apostle Paul's teaching on this issue:

"But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." 1 Corinthians 15:12-14 NIV

Paul was speaking to people like you who were spreading heresies saying the dead did not resurrect but went some where else after death.

"But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."
1 Corinthians 15:20-22 NIV

Paul refers to dead people as people who have fallen asleep. This is consistent with what Jesus said when he went to raise Jairus's daughter from the dead.

"When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw a commotion, with people crying and wailing loudly. He went in and said to them, [color=#FF0000]‘Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.’[/color] But they laughed at him." Mark 5:38-40 NIV

According to these Bible passages, the dead are asleep. You can laugh at us like the people laughed at Jesus. THE DEAD ARE ASLEEP AND NOT IN HEAVEN OR HELL AS YOU CLAIM.


"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him." 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 NIV

In Christ, all will be made alive!!! It is written in black and white. You only make alive something or someone that was dead. Those who belong to Christ will be made alive when he comes. This is what the Bible says. Stop your mischief!



I see you are one of countless number of Christians who are poor Bible students. You regurgitate damnable heresies and disgusting doctrines of men, hoping that by much talking and continuous quoting of unrelated Bible passages, you will convince people of your false convictions and teachings. If after these CLEAR explanations you choose to continue in your path of ignorance, then I'm afraid I have nothing else to say to you. Eat the humble pie and study the Bible properly. Ask questions instead of accepting your ignorance.

i see u use YAHWEH, so i guess ur Jw, well if so,we r wide aprt in our beliefs.
Ur sect dstrts d bible to no end and its understndable, deludg ppl abt d reality of Hell and Eternal punishment is one of satan's core gimmicks.

A christian one who has accepted christ Has d Spirit of Chrst in him,specifcally in his spirit,so a christian isnt going to b alive at a future date but alredy has Life in Him already, romns8:11 "if d spirit of Him who raised Jesus frm d dead is livg in u,he wu raised Christ frm d dead will give life to your mortal bodies thru his Spirit, who lives in u" . Verse 10 further debunks dat junk yu guys spout about man not being a spirit being.
V10 says "if christ in u ur body is dead because of sin yet ur spirit is alive ...". If ur born again christian ur spiritually alive, u r not going to b alive somday but u already hav life and wnt die spiritually again-xcept...

[quote author=frosbel][/quote]u seem to deliberately ignore d stand on the NT on ths issues. Quotg wat suites ur opinion.
To b so confused and ignorant tht u r a SPIRIT mkes reasng spiritual thngs wt u ardous.
1thes5:23.
U read d bible wth wools over ur eyes...dyu blve in d baptism of d holy spirit evidenced by d speakg in tongues?

truthislight: "I am in the spirit" simply mean that the spirit of God was compelling them!

How can you then have the misunderstanding that they "left their body"?



You have a very big problem.

ur ultra confused.... Frst blighted minds like cant even understand ur physcl make up tht u r a spirit so wen d bible says sb was in d spirit it befuddles ur mind.
Continue being blind....
If d spirit of d Lord was upon him like it was on old testament prophets its a diffrent matter nd the bible wud hav recorded it so.
But som1 like ur types who cant agree wth 1thes5:23,
how can understand tht the writer of d book of revelations was literally IN THE SPIRIT REALM where he got the revelation he recorded.

The respect you have for Jesus,the Head of the Church should reflect in how u treat your pastor..
if Jesus were preaching wud u leave b4 the service is over?

nice one sir.
I had an idea like this but discarded it as childish!! only to see some1 implement it!!
. but then there was no android it was j2me that was the rave..
well.. i think i'll take my ideas seriously from now on.
seen some of them already implemented on this site..
mor grease to your pinkie joints..

wy2000: You can easily get the solution by googling, but you will miss the lesson here.
I presume you are studying computer science?
One of the best way to learn programming is to understand the problem and break it in small solution.
EG. In your case, what is a prime no...It is a no that can *only* be divided by 1 and itself!

I will provide the algorithm, while you try and do the actual code.

So the algorithm is

Num = 1
While number is less than 1000
Do
Divide num by all the numbers between 1 and num
If any of the divisions has a remainder of zero.
Then its not a prime.
Else print the num as prime number.

alternatively,
instantiate a SET to store integers (the primes)
- starting from 2, till 1000
if set is empty, store the current number in set (it is prime) . this will only happen once and will store 2.
else
run thru the contents of the set, finding the modulo of the current number for the number in the set
if the modulo is 0, continue,
else, store the number in the set ,it is prime.

after number 1000
print out the content of the set, it should contain only primes.

diff: u dont consider non primes in the modulation. saves operating cost.
one more container in memory - consumes mor ram.

the method suggested is actually going to b slow cuz each iteration thru the list of previous numbers will
include numbers that are non primes and testing these non prime numbers will increase the processing cost.

Besides the brute force strategy of testing all previous numbers is too slow overall.

there's a faster way, uses square rooting and so on.. but even that one is still too slow in the scientifc community
for mor time critical purposes!

ijawkid: The bolded has no place in the scriptures....please open a verse in the bible that says man is a spirit....please.......

I just wonder how you want to try to seperate vision from revelation in this discussion......through what means did john receive the revelations he was given??.......

So many of the revelations john received were analogous with the ones received by daniel if not the same.....how is it that daniel received revelations through visions but John had to move out of his body to time travel.......??......

My brother John received visions jare.....

All of Gods servants who received visions were all in the spirit.......which ofcourse doesn't mean they had out of body experience....

dnt show ur ignorance in a place like ths.
If u dnt know wat revelation means consult a good dictionary.


The bolded is an old thoroughly flogged issue go bck thru ths thread and read thru.

The rests r ur personal opinion.
Ezekiel in d valley of dry bones remember it was his Spirit tht was taken into the spirit realm.
The book of ezekiel is full of this incidence.

ijawkid: He was in the spirit during??.....

Let's completely read the revelation 1:10....
_____________________________
Revelation 1:10
New International Version
(©2011)
On the Lord's Day I was in the
Spirit, and I heard behind me a
loud voice like a trumpet,
_____________________________
How is it possible that john had an out of body experience into the lords day??........all john received according to the revelations 1;1 we've read were purely visions or revelations of things to come......servants of God do not time travel....they just receive visions bro....

And man is not a spirit being.....man is a mortal fleshy being.......all spirit beings live in heaven........

u wish.
Or ar u tryg to tell me wat d bible says?
Or u ar deliberately stayg blind?
Sorry bro. I hv no time 2 revisit ths old debate.
Hidg ur head in a bcket of sand doesnt prove there's no sun.
The verse says "i was in d spirit and heard (while in d spirit)"
and u come here tellg me John saw a vision!
In acts chpter 10v3: cornelius had a vision..the wrd used there is vision.
Wen peter was prayg v10 he "fell into a trance"..
God knows wat a vision is so ur interpretation is unnecessary.
In revelations John didnt hve a vision but was caught uo into d spirit realm.
Continue deludg urself. Or teach God wat he meant..

truthislight: But the "lake of fire" is death, No? (second death).

So, what is your problem?

Will death also be tormented in it also?

"And "death" and hedes were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." (Revelation 20:14).
................................

The bible says that the dead are unconteouse of nothing, you said no, what do you want?

Abeg, park well!

"The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence." (Psalm 115:17).

Keep believing the lie that satan told Adam in Eden, that human will not die.

gather ur tots properly.
The body is still and life at death (departure of spirit frm it)
so its norml to say d body is silent etc.

How will they b conscious of anythg going on in ths wrld wen they are in anoda wrld esp hell.
? Ddnt the rch man plead wt abraham to send evangelist to his brodas.

"abeg park well "
ur sentimental quip.
Ths is d recourse of thse who cant muster an intellectual argument.


A dead body cnt praise God of course , in ths life, and a corpse is silent..

"keep believg wat satan told adam n eve tht humans will not die.."

actually thts d point. Humans will die (2nd death if they chose sin in hell fire,) hell is so dreadful God had 2 make a way of escape 4 man thru Jesus christ.
So u keep blvg satan's lie tht there's no hell! Ask God to open ur eyes 2 d truth.

striktlymi: No need to go on with this...you are clearly getting emotional.


Enjoy!

ur so scriptural u cudnt support anythg u said wth a verse of scripture!
U were very sciptural like d deluded pope!ur opinion is scriptures!
Does any atheists want to go heaven !

ijawkid: John received visions and not an out of body experience....

Revelation 1:1.....

New International Version
(©2011)
The revelation from Jesus Christ,
which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by
sending his angel to his servant
John,

revelation means tht which is revealed. Not Vision.
The bible is an exact book. Wen peter had a vision, it says he was in a trance and saw a spread from heaven with all kinds of animals on it.
Wen it is a dream, like in d case of d two josephs , father of jesus,and joseph in egypt it says so.
Stop dodgg or twsg d truth.
It says man is a spirit, then it says john was in d spirit?
And heard, in the spirit ...
Stephen while being stoned had a vision, d bible ddnt say he was in d spirit.
Elisha's servant had his Spiritual eyes opened thts y he cud see the horses and chariots of fire around him.
Again debunkg ur lies tht man is just flesh. D spirit man has eyes, ears hands etc and can operate in d spirit realm.

frosbel: you are all over the place.

John had a vision, he did not leave his body, stop all this nonsense.

rev1vs10.
John was IN THE SPIRIT... U want to interprete it in d way u interprete ur other scriptures about hell?
" He was In the Spirit and Heard behind him a great voice.."

the wrd there is "in d spirit, " not had a vision.
If John cud be taken into d spirit realm and talk with other spirit beings as God willed so can other ppl in this day. And God never changes He is still shwg ppl the spirit realm.
Man is a spirit being.john ddnt hear or see or operate in the spirit wth his physcl body.
But with his spirit body.

its part of afrcn or is it nigerian depravity. The bible calls it d pride of life.

Men invent all kinds of title to inflate their puny egos.
In d academia, the race is to acquire a phD for name status..
In gvnments, theres the extension , his excellency,honourable etc most of these ppl ar morally bankrupt.
Sadly its a dsire 4 self wrship, a desre to b wrshipped as God borne out of pride which d main reason lucifer bcame satan.
Its evry were and it stinks.
Its so rampant..
Sb who has a car regrds himself abve thse who dnt hav/walk on foot..
Sb who uses a bb /ipad etc regrds thse who use otherwse lesser
a wife who's mor educated thn d husbnd finds it hard to submit to her..
I cud go on n on. But its nthg but shitty satanic pride.
The bible says God is no respecter of persons, and in one of d epistles tht they shd b no discrimination btw brethren..

striktlymi: Can you show me where in my post I mentioned the bold? I do appreciate it when someone quote me directly and not twist whatever I say.



Your ish is interpretation...where do you factor in Moses, Abraham and the likes in the above? Was Abraham baptized?



You do not stand by God's word but what you think is God's word...

you ppl wen confronted with Gods wrd choose ur different opinions thts y there so many apostasies in christianity.

You said an atheist who does gud will make heaven.
Wat does ths mean? Jesus isnt necessary for his salvation?

In d light of scriptures u ar the one who is twstg stuffs up..to suite urself.
You've not supplied any Bible verse to support ur position.
Just opinions.
You clearly dont understand the wrk of God thru the OT ..

frosbel: Afterlife experiences are mostly the stuff of witchcraft, astra travel, hallucinations or nightmares, I do not base sound doctrine on such.

u wish- just like atheists wish evolution created life.
Yet ppl in d bible had outa body experience..
If it's witchcraft, then y how come they still end up corroboratg d scriptures!
For ur infrmation d writer of d book of revelation had an out of body..

frosbel: You are the one Sir that needs a serious reeducation on this doctrine and I trust many more.

u wsh there is no eternal punishment or everlastg fire.
Old desire...but whichever way u try to shoe horn d scriptures to suite u.. Always gonna b contradcted.
Evry person who's had a genuine afterlife xperience further shatters ur annihilation myth to smitterings.
U wsh d lazarus rchmn story were a parable. U really wsh. U wsh man were only flesh only? But even wen shwn man is tri partite 1thes5 ,u choose ur biases . Wen shown frm scriptures dat Hell gave up d dead in it , (how did they get there?), u dodge the point. U really need , not an education, but to choose whether 2 believe d bible or ur sectarian doctrine. U cud go ahead and strt a diff sect based on ur warped beliefs. U wnt b d frst.

striktlymi: Now Kambo, in the event that you have not noticed, my stance is that sincere Atheists who are good in line with the principles of right conscience will definitely make heaven...and this is not against what is taught in scriptures.

d bible contradcts u.
If man can make heaven without Jesus,thn Jesus needed not hav died. GOD WUD hav given a set of rules with wch man had 2 comply.
The bible says 1.) he who believes and is baptzed shall b saved he who believes not shall b condemned...
Criteria 4 salvation frm eternal damnation is BELIEVE in the Lord jesus.
2.) the bible says "In Him we have Redemption ... " redemption frm wat?
3.) the bible says our filthyness is as filthy rags. It also by wrks shall no flesh b justified...
4.) Jesus is d way no man comes to d Father but thru him.



If d wrd tells u ur own wrks cant justify thn His wrd supercedes every other wrd.
Change ur thnkg to God's wrd or u reject it (thts all we can do.)
no atheists based on wat d Bible says will make heaven.

Segeggs: @Tpfka...

if i understand u on ur stance on death to mean eternal separation from God, then one can conclude that dead saints are also separated from God.

*twisted doctrine*

like frosbel etc u misinteprete scriptures.
Wat dyu mean by dead saints and wat kind of death does d bible talk about?
The bible mentions d second death. Y d wrd second? If there isnt a frst death?
D frst death is physcl death wch is separation of spirit and soul frm body. Every1 tastes ths.. Except thse who will see d rapture or have been raptured b4 (elijah,enoch).
The second death is d loss of any1 who isnt in christ...theyre eternally separated frm God into eternal perdition (hell enroute LoF).
Read ur bible and ask God 4 inspiration.
The rchman died and was buried,(physcl death) but the bible says "in hell he lifted up his eyes...", ths shws u tht a prt of him was remved frm d body.. His soul/spirit.
And "abraham told him, REMEMBER..". SHOWNG THT the mental faculties of Man, transcend d human body... Man's memory/thnkg capacity isnt just a brain function.
Jesus alluded 2 this wen He said "their worms dont die out...".

If ths issue really bothers u, seek God abt it.

wat were u meditatg on? Wats ur religious slant anyway?

masonkz: I'm really hoping God doesn't think like you do. A God will create you and leave you to the hands of the so called enemy and expect you to find your way back to him. Oh yes! For your sake too, I hope you're totally a born again stain-free Christian.

mayb u want 2 pamper d poster because wen u read a post but filter it to ur biase ur speakg frm ur dstrtion not mine. U hope i'm born-again. U hope many thngs.
Its clear u cant read anythg objectvely.
Ur frst comment gave u away.

masonkz: What you're actually saying is that the supposed enemy is stronger than God, and gets hold of us even before we know about the enemy's existence. Funny.

you read all i said and came up with this summary?
Shw where i "was tryg to say tht satan is stronger thn God".
If I was sayng tht wud i ask commend her to God?

@frosbel
death isnt cessation of life but eternal separation frm God.
Get ur theology right.
Physcl death is separation of spirit frm body.

So adjust ur false basis 4 defing death.
If Hell so scarce u try to make heaven,its free.

Everlastg damnation in d lake of fire is d second death.
So death in d new testament is shrt frm 4 second death.

Death will b destoyed by being cast into d lake of fire. Along with the residents of Hell, for hell will give up its dead, and all whose names r not found wrttn in d lamb's book of life.

Immortality is immunity frm death. Immortality to man means his body wont die.
But immortality will b given to saved man,theyll eat fro the tree of life and xperience physcal immortality (no death,aging etc)
but spiritually man is in God's image and wether saved or not the non physcl components of man(spirit,soul) are immortal.


Jesus christ d bible says has also destroyed him who had d power
of death,i.e the devil.
But tht doesnt mean d devil isnt still around,cuz d same bible says christians shud "resist" d devil.
So u may need to evaluate ur definition of destroy again.

Where does perish say "anihilation"?

Twisted doctrine?
Paul doesnt need 2 say eternal trment because d second death is eternal torment.
And smoke of their torment ascended upward day and night FOREVER AND EVER.

JESUS warned of hell where the fire never dies out.

U wsh it wasnt so?

Wich bible r u really readg?
The story of d richman and lazarus settles ths issue but in ur biase u call it a parable.
Ur opinion doesnt chnge d truth.

Let God's wrd b ur guide nt som unscriptural story.
Anythg dat contradcts d bible is not from God.
How much of ur bible dyu know?
God created the silver n d gold all precious stones then will send u to hell for enjoyg his creation?
"ur already doing away with these thngs...".
The devil is laffg@u.
because if he can get d church bickerg over minor thngs like weavon, lip stck, trouser, theyll b too disunited to disrupt his wrk!
The early church had a doctrine, of circumcision necessary 4 salvation etc they gt so caught up in splittg hairs until paul addressed d issue.
Focus on Jesus, develop a relationshp wt d Holy spirit.
Judge thngs by the wrd and d spirit of God.
Let him guide u. Into all truth.

frosbel: point of correction, God sent his Son into the world, not to deliver men from hell but from death.

John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

the opposite of EVERLASTING LIFE isnt physcl death but EVERLASTING DEATH.. . Ur scripture counters ur viewpoint.
Besides, "shall not perish" is wat it says not shall not die physcally or shall not persh physcally. Persh doesnt also support u view of xtnguishment. The pershg of d soul and spirit is in fire. So perish means being lost to eternal flames of hell enroute LoF (lake of fire).

striktlymi: It does not matter whether I am Catholic or not...I really do not use someone's denomination as a basis to determine bias...I look at the content of one's post...your post shows bias because what you accuse the Pope of was not even mentioned...



Your stance is what you think the bible is trying to convey and not on what it actually teaches...



I fail to get your meaning here...



Anyone who makes heaven is in Christ...it all depends on what you mean by being in Christ...Sacred scriptures is very clear about how one can be in Christ...it is not just about believing in him here on Earth...it goes beyond this...



What opinion exactly?



You are yet to tell us what the Pope said and back it up with the relevant quote.



...and that is what you understood from sacred scriptures? Do you understand what it means to reject Christ after hearing the gospel?



You are yet to tell us what the Pope said with the relevant quote of course...

trying 2 b evasve.
Hmmm.
Your pope,whose wrds u rever abve scriptures made som obvious blunders in a bid to lean over and win over some .
Sad.

His stance:all souls are r saved!? Cuz christ died 4 evry one?
Since christ died 4 every1 , then every1 is automatically in christ.
Therefore a gud atheist,who does gud wrks will make heaven!

Ths is wat i'm reactg to.

This is deduced from d orgnal write up.
Again i say d pope is speakg heresy and twstg scriptures.
Now answer my questions .. because d bible is d final arbiter here.

....

nep2ra: ^^^

It's only people with sick and twisted minds that can imagine an eternal place of torment. I don't know how the preaching of hell fire draws people to a supposed loving God. This kind of teaching reduces an All Powerful, Wise, Merciful God to a petty, vindictive despot. Even the worst judicial system on earth will never dispense justice like this.

There is no difference between Christians who preach hell fire to Islamic extremists who kill innocent people. Using terror as a method of coercion to evoke love and obedience only breeds hypocrites. A lot of so-called Christians worship God because of the fear of hell fire and also to satisfy their material lusts.

What shock and shame awaits them on resurrection day!

actually it's ppl with sck nd twistd imgntns dat twist d bible to say wat they think it means.
God isn't battlg confsn. U interprete in contxt somtimes . Othrtimes its explicit enuff.
Hell is a terrible place so terrible God sent his son b man's substitute so man wont go there. Only a lovg God wud do tht.
Thers a diff btw warng sb about evil e.g aids,lung cancer ,teenage pregnancy and takg ppls lives or violatg their free will thru death n torture.
One takes genuine lov and concern d other is devilish. U shd know better. No christian will shoot or kill u fr not acceptg christ.

Many ppl dnt sleep wth hiv postve partners out of fear too.
Its not d best motve,fear,to avoid evil but it wrks and is d least denominatr. Fact is som ppl will cling to sin and evil no matter wat God does to free thm but in d end still want God to hav thm into his heaven. Sorry. Its Hell tht awaits thm.

ijawkid: So who was the lazarus if I may ask.....are all lazarus' poor people and also good enough to go to heaven??.....meanwhile did Jesus give the name of the rich man??,,,,,...we all know lazarus was a popular Jewish name so using that name still doesn't help u in your quest to prove that this story isn't a parable

You can't run away frm the glaring fact that this story was infact a parable....the introduction affirms that......and not only the introduction as I am about to expose you...


Lol...now he says my questions 1 and 2 do not make sense....this is somebody that has yapping about this story not being a parable....if you can't answer my numbers 1 and 2 questions then you have no right to tell me to bring my brains with me when I argue scriptures....I think that advice should have been for u...you a hell fire proponent can't tell me what the rich man and lazarus did to deserve being in hell and heaven??.....then what are we are arguing about??.....you must answer my numbers 1 and 2 questions if not you are not fit for this argument.......try to conjure up something my bro....




Lol....it can't be inferred abi??.....and what is this place of rest??....the place no get name??....

Where do departed souls go to rest abd where is thi§ place located??...

You must answer o since you've decided to use a story which many of you have misconstrued to base the dogmata of hell fire and literal eternal torment.....

u hav u stand on d issue but want support fr ur stand frm d wrd.
What makes d story a parable?
Pls xplain.

How wud Jesus tell a tru event wtout gvg to much personal details like d name of d indvduals and how wud ths differ frm a parable? Pls answer.

If the story is a parable, wat is d moral?
And y wud Jesus use spiritual places d hearers arent familiar wth instead of of d familiar symbols they were all familiar wth in their everyday lives and wch Jesus faithfully used to relay gospel truths previously.

Y wud jesus tell a lie? He said there was a certain man NAMED LAZARUS . A fctitious chrcter needs no name. And a name adds no benefit to d moral of d story? Y wud Jesus go to extra lent to name d beggar?

How does d sin d rchman commited chnge d story wthr d reader knows of it or not?
D importnt thng is tht the story occured. Accordg to d bible. How does deviatg to ths side issue validate the authntcty of d story?


I hve more questions but answer ths.

Rember d core question is wat makes ths story a parable hence figuratve..

@striky

a debate is brewg already.
If ur catholic it makes a diffrence on ur viewpoint.

"d criteria for makg heaven?"
my stance is frm d bible. And d bible is clear on this.
Besides y b shy of ur religion?
Wat makes an atheist gud. Gud enuff to make heaven? Wat makes anyone who isnt in christ gud enuff 2 make it into Christs kingdom?
There's no biblical support 4 contrary opinion.
Please share if u hav any. Giv me d scriptures tht justifies d pope's statement.
If no man on earth who's heard d gospel, believes tht Christ died for his sins and rose frm d dead fr d sinner, and confesses with his mouth tht Jesus is his saviour, He,d man, shall not b saved.
Dnt let anyman decieve u.
Keep sentiments out.
Brng d scriptures dat support ur stance/pope's stance.