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CKC Onitsha transformed by Peter Obi

Bro, create another thread for this and tag Mynd44 and Nlfpmod to feature it on fp. People hardly check past page 1.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
Oooh you got any pictures of his ??

Check his Twitter handle

MyVILLAGEpeople:
And who is @latter to jack ??

An influencer with 200k+ followers.

Every sane Nigerian will Atikulate last last. We need a unifier. We need love. We need peace. Baba Atiku is a goal.

plaindealer:
Back to sender.

Go and pray for your own poor soul.


You are not having any discussion, you are trolling and spewing meaningless gibberish.

Okay, bye.

plaindealer:
You asked God to have mercy on my soul because my soul was damaged, and destroyed, I'm I dying or going to hell?

This is the problem with people like you, you say mean and horrible things to people while playing the victim at the same time.

You are just too cunningly deceptive.

I said that because you blasphemed by saying Speaking In Tongues means disunity. I prayed He forgive you and have mercy on you (maybe I shouldn't have used soul). It's not an insult, but an honest prayer.

That notwithstanding, are you ready to have the discussion without insults and attacks?

plaindealer:
Fake Christian, don't pray for me abeg, worry about your own poor cognitive soul.

Tinubu spoke about unity regardless of the language we speak, but agents of doom and evil spirit are trying to use Christianity to destroy the positive and Godly speech.

I know your type, nothing good makes you happy, and you seek the worst in humanity.

You failed.

Do me one favour, can we have this discussion without insults and attacks please?

plaindealer:
Dude, go away with your troll rubbish.

Endless garbage with no sense or substance, just silly and pointless repetition of meaningless garbage.

May God have mercy on your soul. Insult me all you want, I have forgiven you. One love, brother. Bye.

shinealight:
When one chooses to join a public forum, one expects to converse with all manner of persons….including the conceited, the unenlightened and the academics who think everything can be found in some book or scriptural vaults!
Their intuition is simply asleep…hence they rely only on what their intellect can provide.
How then can they ever ascend into regions where the intellect is of no use…having been buried in the Earth? It is indeed pitiful!!

Na una way. Ignore, the message, ignore the challenge and attack the person. Just take your L and move on. I won't go this road with you.

plaindealer:
Same meaningless gibberish.

You don't even sound like a real Christian because you are confusing yourself and even falling all over yourself.

Just rubbish, utter rubbish..

This is exactly what you are good at. Ignore the points, ignore the challenge and launch personal attacks.

shinealight:
Personally, I believe this debate has shown that people like you actually know very little about the scriptures you profess to be guided by when you call yourselves Christians. You need a lot of enlightenment but as your Bible says…My people perish for lack of knowledge!!

This is not a debate sir. You're being lectured, that's the honest truth. I have dismantled your points, posed a challenge. You haven't dismantled mine neither have you provided answers to my question. So what's the debate here?

You are talking about scripture, yet no single proof either from the scripture or scriptural vaults.

You just make baseless, wild claims and expect me to accept when there are biblical points and references on ground? Your colleague is even saying speaking in Tongues disunites people. Just imagine the kind of people I am conversing with

plaindealer:
What do you want me to disprove? That there's no connection between Speaking in tongues and the Babel?

Is it not the Babel they use in the bible reflects the dangerous effects of speaking in tongues so how are they not related?

What is wrong with this dude?

I have repeated this over and over again. What happened in Babel is "Confusion of Tongues". I have been hammering on the linguistic terms "collocation" and "context" and there are reasons why.

I have been practical too. "Speaking in Tongues" in biblical context is a phrase. It's not just a random combination of words. But a collocation of words to convey a specific meaning.

There's a reason no one links the phrase to Tower of Babel. There's a reason when you mention it in a Christian gathering, no one would think about Tower of Babel. I even challenged you all, if you doubt, prove me wrong. Nothing.

You just make wild claims without any proof whatsoever. Tower of Babel symbolises confusion and disunity. It's called "Confusion of Tongues".

Speaking in Tongues is also Gifts of Tongues in biblical context. The phrase was abused and there's NO amount of rantings can change that.

I am still challenging you to prove me wrong citing relevant authorities.

plaindealer:
Even speaking in tongues creates the same confusion and disunity to start with so how are they not related?

You are too confused, lost or just intentionally fraudulent and disingenuous with your rants because you are not making sense

Another blasphemy. Speaking in Tongues creates "disunity"? Speaking in Tongues "edifies", not "disunites" ..

I think at this point you're a troll.

shinealight:
You don’t need any “reputable source”….all you need do is listen to the entire narrative and dispassionately apply some “common sense”!!

Bro, pick your 'L' and move on. You have nothing to offer, like your master, Tinubu. Take corrections or the metaphorical "L"

plaindealer:
Sadly, you are the gaffe and your posts reflects your endless gaffes..

Yet you can't disprove any. Amazing! Only to insult and tag me ipob

shinealight:
It matters not what rejoinders or rebuttals others are giving to your know-all postings. That’s not our concern here!
Point is….you forget that The Tower of Babel (like most biblical narratives in the mould of Adam & Eve depiction) was only an allegory and not necessarily an actual event! What the story is meant to depict is what you fail to comprehend!
Think about it….before insisting on the semantics linked with “humanity speaking in different tongues”!

Going about in circles and dodging my challenge. You're now attacking biblical stories, the entire Bible has been dismissed as fairytale. In fact, going by this, languages, according to various scientific and linguistic sources predated the Bible. That's a topic for another day.

The subject matter is Tinubu and his "Speaking in Tongues" gaffe. Show me any reputable source that linked it to the Babel story. That's the challenge. The etymology is online. Collocation and contexts are online. I don’t enjoy regurgitating same thing over and over again.

Please show me any source linking them or pick your "L" and move on like others.

shinealight:
Okay Mr Scripture Analyst …..if you say he was not referring to either of two biblical events, what then was he referring to in your assessment….going by the “narrative” he gave before uttering those words.
Pls give us a clue…but don’t tell us “You Don’t Know” ….because you seem to know everything going on in Tinubu’s mind!!

Bro, why are you dodging my challenge? I dare you to trace Tinubu's gaffe to any source.

You use Speaking in Tongues of acts, I have dismantled it and told you why it's blasphemous using it to defend Tinubu.

You use Tower of Babel, I told you why it's not even related with proof. And even if we agree for the sake of argument that it's related, then it'll be blasphemous as the symbol of Babel is confusion and disunity. That's why it's "Confusion of Tongues". But it isn't even related as linking Speaking in Tongues with Confusion of Tongues is in itself blasphemous because the Holy Spirit is the one responsible for gifting it. He doesn’t gift 'disunity'

So whichever way you look at it, Tinubu goofed. Most are now avoiding Babel after they read my point and tried to justify Speaking in Tongues of the New Testament. But even that, they can't defend as it's gifted, not Inherited. And the speakers speak in the language they don't understand. The language can be Heavenly understood only by God or human language, understood only by God and the owners of the language. However, the speakers themselves by definition would not understand what they're speaking.

This is a simple matter. You can also verify it. Have you seen anyone disprove my points citing any reputable source?

No. They're only insulting me and making wild claims that have no basis in scripture.

Lite2018:
Oga calm down now.... There is nothing wrong with what he said.. let's stop giving Asiwaju free publicity..

That speech was carefully written by professionals and with the way it was delivered, it was obviously crammed.

But there is no blasphemy there boss

Speaking in Tongues is NOT same as Confusion of Tongues. It's blasphemous to say we inherited confusion from the Bible.

I have challenged all of you, show me where 'Speaking in Tongues' was linked to the Tower of Babel. The phrase "Speaking in Tongues" is not just some random words strung together. It's a Biblical term. In Linguistics, it's called "collocation". Google "Speaking in Tongues", and check its etymology. You won't see any "Tower of Babel". The Babel story is by far an older event as it's recorded in Genesis. So why would the etymology of the phrase "Speaking in Tongues" be traced to the New testament? Simple. Because it's a biblical term and because of the linguistic terms called "collocation" and "context". That's why if you are in a Christian gathering and you use the phrase, no one would think of Babel.

As for the phrase itself, it is a gift from the Holy Spirit. It's NOT inherited. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry will be gifted with the Spirit. You don’t mock the Holy Spirit by saying what He gifts to whom He wants can be inherited by every Tom FROM THE BIBLE. That's an insult. And blasphemous.

shinealight:
What fake bishop saga? Has any of them been identified to be a motor park tout or bricklayer?
The one identified while shopping in Abuja was found to be a genuine Cleric. They may not be among those with large flocks like the Adeboyes or Bill Grahams of this world but they were pastoral Clerics following their Calling according to the dictates of their conscience…. albeit ‘unknown and unpopular’!
We should stop this habit of always trying to “give a dog a bad name in order to hang it”…it is myopic and cannot help build a united country from a multilingual, multicultural assemblage of diverse people(s) as we have in Nigeria!!
As for speaking in different or manifold tongues, is it not true that we indeed learnt of it through the “biblical allegories”?
Is the story of Tower of Babel not from the Bible? ….Or is it rendered in the Quran or Bhagavad Gita?
Nigeria alone has over two hundred languages and dialects, does the biblical allegory not lend credence to that narrative?
My only problem with the Jagaban is that…he needs to change his Speech-Writer(s) and at the same time his “Handlers” should ensure that he remains disciplined in sticking strictly to the script previously agreed to….particularly during public discourse as he tends to veer off the script. Many Leaders/Speakers have this problem as they often get carried away when they get on stage ….in the heat of the moment!!

Bro, kindly disprove my points with facts. I have given the differences between confusion of Tongues and speaking in Tongues and even challenged you guys to show me any reputable source that linked speaking in Tongues to the Tower of Babel. Unfortunately, none has been able. Instead, I get attacked and tagged ipob terrorist, though some admitted.

I have also explained why we should be mindful of terms we used and even went as far as explaining linguistic terms like "collocation" and "context". These are simple things that can be verified. You can either confirm or disprove.

Tinubu was heard clearly saying "Speaking in Tongues". Some tried to justify him using Speaking In Tongues of the New Testament. I explained why it isn't, some accepted, while some switched to "oh, he was referring to Babel ". I explained why it isn't with facts and even passed a challenge. None could disprove. So some admitted while some resorted to personal attack. You can go through my post history.

This is a simple matter really. We learn every day. We are telling you guys that, look, the collocation of Speaking in Tongues in biblical term isn't used to refer to Babel in any way. If you disagree, you can go to Google and search its etymology and usage. Also, if you are in a Christian gathering and you utter the phrase "Speaking in Tongues", no one will imagine Tower of Babel. That's why it's called collocation and context.

As for fake Bishop, I won't regurgitated previous explanations as even Muslims know they are fake. So what's the point? Waste my time?

Siwel25:
U don't understand that speaking in tongues can mean different languages? U people keep searching everywhere for what to say against him and just use anything.

Keep searching and see where it will lead you in February. As long as he made Lagos richer, safer and cleaner, he is the candidate to beat in terms of PROVEN competence. Others cannot even use their state capital to campaign..lolz.. 'I will, I will' Everytime na scam!

Bro, click the link and read my thread and follow the discussions on it

plaindealer:
Pay attention to the message and stop attacking the messenger.

Learn a thing or two about love, togetherness and brotherhood, and stop bothering me with your petty and ignorant rubbish.

Bro, this discussion is beyond your level. Go and do your puerile bigotry with your types. I am beyond that.

plaindealer:
Still not interested in your ignorant and unintelligent nonsense.

I know togetherness and brotherhood are foreign to you ipobs and that's why you are all mad and upset like bingo.

Fake Christians..

That's my problem with you. Ignore important things and attack the messenger. It's well. Stay blessed.

KillSars:
E be like sey ur favorite channel na trace TV...

Nawa o

plaindealer:
This is my problem with you and your kind, the inability to contextualize words and statements, to logically understand and transcribe basic words.

Your rubbish has nothing to do with what the man said and the point he made with his words.

Go and sit down with your ignorance and poor cognitive skills.

@screenshots note the "speak in a language not known to the speaker"

And from the etymology, we see clearly that "Speaking in Tongues" is used as a biblical collocation to mean "Gift of Tongues". This has and will continue to be the context. Nowhere is Tower of Babel mentioned.

If you still insist that it means Babel, show me one reputable source that traced "Speaking in Tongues" to the Tower of Babel.

I have shown you some that confined "Speaking in Tongues" within "Gift of Tongues" as far as biblical context is concerned.

See screenshots

plaindealer:
Not interested in your rubbish and poor understanding of the subject matter, what was said and the context.

Many of you sound like trolls just yapping to hear yourself yapping, this is getting too appalling and embarrassing.

This is my problem with you people. You attack the messenger instead of the message.

KillSars:
U still never wan learn, I get ur time... I go continue to dey hammer am for ur stone head
Anybody can speak in tongue, what happened in Babel was speaking in unknown languages, "tongues" but wasn't spirited. what happened to the followers of christ aswell was speaking in unknown languages "tongues" but this time around, it was spirited as a result of divine gift they received....
I can open my mouth, make any sound or noise or saying and claim it is speaking in tongue, but is it spirited?
Collocation tear ur boxer there, u talk sey u no wan learn ni...

@screenshots note the "speak in a language not known to the speaker"

And from the etymology, we see clearly that "Speaking in Tongues" is used as a biblical collocation to mean "Gift of Tongues". This has and will continue to be the context. Nowhere is Tower of Babel mentioned.

Meanwhile, since you're sure. Show me a source that traces "Speaking in Tongues" to the Tower of Babel.

plaindealer:
This is what you and your kind say after failing to understand and comprehend basic English words and context.

Do you people even know the meaning of blasphemy?

I have challenged you to show me any source that traces Speaking In Tongues to Tower of Babel. But none has been able to show me any.

What happened at Babel is Confusion of Tongues. "Speaking in Tongues" in biblical context means "Gift of Tongues". Trace its origin, still "Gift of Tongues". No reputable source would link you to Babel.

KillSars:
U don't know before, now u know...
It's called learning... u can thank tinubu for that

The Bible was not written in English, it was translated to english..... all this ur collocation, context, by now u suppose don know where u go shove am...

Open ur mind and learn....

Learn and shun ignorance. What happened in Babel is called "Confusion of Tongues". What happened to the followers of Christ that were gifted by the Holy Spirit to speak in languages they didn't know is called "Speaking in Tongues'. Both are NOT the same. You can research both terms and prove me wrong.

Collocation and contexts are linguistic/grammatical terms. Translation doesn't mean abuse. Just take your L and move on as it's obvious you have nothing to say or disprove. You haven't even provided any logical refutation.

shinealight:
If in his 70 years he has not yet goofed against Islam, then it’s safe to say Worry Not! President Joe Biden used to be called a gaff machine but he hasn’t brought the house down so far…..fingers crossed! So, we may give Jagaban the benefit of doubt too!
As for trying to provoke people intentionally, this is unlikely….he’s too smart for that….considering the furore that the Muslim-Muslim ticket has generated. I believe he was actually trying to give some credit to the Christian Bible with the reference in the narrative. My view only!!

You could be right that he didn't do it intentionally. But would Christians feel that way, especially after the fake bishops saga and the infamous Muslim-Muslim ticket?

Anyway, I have no issues with that personally. Just felt like correcting those who argued that he was right. My point is he isn't. Whether he did it intentionally or not is his business

shinealight:
This is nothing but semantics! You hold on rigidly to words and fail to see the import and wisdom embedded in the narrative.
I’m afraid the problem is with you…..was he writing a thesis for a degree where the choice of words will be so critical?
Consider that Christ taught His Disciples in Parables….Nothing was written down but stories they can picture and cannot easily forget.
Hwvr, modern man relies solely on his intellect and holds on rigidly to certain use of words and thereby misses the point altogether!

I am not being strict bro. I am simply being honest. Tinubu might blaspheme mistakenly against Islam one day with his utterances.

Tinubu goofed and should be corrected. I suspect he did that intentionally. Was he not the one that hired fake bishops ? And his Muslim-Muslim ticket? That's why people are talking. The intention is what we don't know. Could be a harmless mistake. Could be intentional. If not for the fake bishops saga, people would have ignored the goof

KillSars:
Well I'll take that as u already realized ur flaws..
Bible is a holy book that contains the word of God, no be story book wey u dey trace new testament phrase go old testament, it is spirited, it requires the spirit of God to do the interpretation..
Points to take note tonight..
Speaking in tongues could be spirited and non spirited.
They are both bound to cause confusion..
U can choose to remain blind and keep spewing thrash upandan, na ur wahala be dat...

As for what tinubu said, his few words are always for those who have a functioning brain, not a dead brain like zombies..

You see why I asked you to read on collocation, context?

"Speaking in Tongues" in biblical context means "Gift of Tongues". That's the meaning. And if you trace its origin, it'll lead you to the New Testament. That is that. Whether you rant from now till eternity won't change that fact.

"Confusion of Tongues" for Babel. "Speaking in Tongues" for gift of Tongues.

You should do research. Go to any Christian gathering and mention "Speak in tongues". I bet you, no one would think of the Tower of Babel. That's context. That’s collocation.

You still doubt? Trace it !

tonyuny12:
Now talking about the use of we (everyone) with due respect sir.. we as a collective words have been used in the church like *we are children of God* yet scripture says God knows those who are His! Secondly We christians have been used repeatedly yet apostle said there are many in the body of Christ who are working against Christ.
Abi no be same nairaland we dey hear we SE and SS have decided to vote against Tinubu yet not everyone will vote against him.

I agree with your point but the angle to which people are arguing on, I beg to disagree.

Nice point raised and thankful for your matured response

I commend your maturity too. I also appreciate you were able to get my point. As for the angles people are arguing on (I have seen several), I think it all boils down on context. People are reading different meanings.