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na2016:
Although I fine sirjohn's submission interesting I differ with you as the CE write up didn't mention she couldn't walk from childhood.

PastorAIO:
https://medium.com/belover/the-greatest-evangelical-cleric-was-a-slaveowner-eafc23bbb6b0




All this explains the mind and postings of evangelical christians on NL like Olaadegbu.

chukzie2002:
The main issue I got from your response is that....it seems you brought someone or you brought someone as an undercover. Whichever way, you're ignorant of what's happening in healing school. What's happening is beyond the realm of the mind....you can't reason it out....that's why it's called spiritual. You're beclouded by your foolishness coming as an undercover for spiritual things. Why didn't you call on God to reveal things to you. Those that attended online giving testimonies of their healing, what do you have to say about that? You just walking about in foolishness because what you're seeing is beyond the reasoning of man. My candid advice for ...use your remaining live for meaningful ventures...don't venture into things that's above you. This one you're venturing into you don't have proof. For proof of this you will need to sample more.

Jesus Christ say without faith it's impossible. The faith of the one who requires healing is required also for sustaining the healing. The atmosphere they came into is an atmosphere of faith....when they leave the healing school they need to carry that atmosphere home and maintain the atmosphere of faith in their sojourn in life for the healing to remain if not they may lose it.

Ken4Christ:
If your assertion is true, I doubt if Pastor Chris himself is aware of it. This is my opinion. Why would he do such a thing? Even our Lord Jesus couldn't heal everyone who was sick in his days. Well, If you are correct, time will vindicate you because there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

Ken4Christ:
I haven't been to the healing school and I can't confirm what you are saying. The point I am making is that miracles still happens. And I have witnessed quite a few in the personal meetings I conducted.

One was a crippled man who came with clutches. But at the end of the meeting, he was healed and carried his clutches home. Few weeks later we checked on him and he was even getting stronger. It happened in a prayer meeting of just about 50 persons 1999.

The second case was also a man on clutches. His case was worse than that of first man. X-RAY revealed that his bones were shattered. So, there was no way he could ever walk.

He didn't start walking during the service. But he said that the message I preached kept coming back to his memory. And I focused on the scripture, 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me' taken from Philippians 4:13. He decided to try walking the evening of that day and he was shocked that his legs could carry him. When he went back for the Xray, it was a fresh bone that grew out. The shattered bones were no where to be found.

There are couple of other miracles space will not permit me to include here.

I know that miracles are real. I also know of someone who got healed years back in one of Pastor Chris program, Day of Bliss in Port Harcourt.

ggsquare:
Last year I saw someone with a serious leg problem got instant healing watching healing stream from the TV.
The thing shock me, another woman got healed of prolonged waist problem watching the healing stream that same day, so how can one get healing from watching it on TV, at least I saw it live. I don't think that man of God is fake, I think sirJohn was just talking about his feelings not facts

Ken4Christ:
I am indestructible. The greater one lives in me.

SirJohn:
Seeing this thread on FP after over 15 years since it was first published feels so surreal.
Just to put in proper perspective how far this thread have come, this thread came up at a time when it was a flex to use flip phones. When using a blackberry phone with trackpad was like using the latest iPhone, when blackberry OS and the Symbian OS of Nokia reigned supreme. If you were born at the time this thread came on Nairaland, you'd probably be preparing to enter the university.

Exchanges on Nairaland were a lot less toxic than what it is today (The more reason I will probably not be engaging on this thread).

This is a thread of my experience at the 2008 session of the healing school and the conclusions drawn based on certain facts which still remain very valid. I believe there a lots of revelations, claims and counter claims, drama and a ship load of opinions all woven into this thread over the last 15 years or so.

May God give us wisdom to discern

chukzie2002:
What I understood from your write up is that you're confused...you just want to write for content sake. Your claim has no substantial proof. I pray you won't be in dire need of miracle one day.

Your state of mind has a great role to play in you getting a miracle.

You talked of a man with a collar that put his faith to work and start moving his neck? in what atmosphere? In an atmosphere of faith in healing school not at his house abi? You're just confused my chief

ibinaboonline:
Just finished reading the while things. Very revealing.

GlobeTrotter2:
I myself have been healed in Pastor Chris Crusade in 1999. Am I also faking it

Acidosis:
Miracles are real. I have seen a blind man regain his sight "live and direct" at a Reinhard Bonnke's crusade.
And no, it wasn't a fake miracle. He never called anyone to "testify" or come out to prove that his miracles are genuine. He does his thing and leaves. My encounter happened right in the midst of a huge crowd. People who noticed this particular miracle won't be more than 5 as things were happening at different points at a time.

ibinaboonline:
Speaking about your friends daughter, I do not deny the fact that people may experience changes in their physical conditions during or after visiting the healing school; it is probably the same reasons for which people get 'healed' after visiting the shrine of 'Our lady of Lourdes' in france.

You've just confirmed my suspicion. This is a post from an intelligent person.

A side note, I hardly, if ever, participate in accusations against men of God because I'm a true Christian, a believer... In God. I also know how dangerous it is to attack servants of God, so I tend to not touch issues like this at all. Like you, I can't even begin to tell you how utterly devoted I was to pastor Chris' teachings back in the early 2000s. I still have video tape messages of him I bought, so you can imagine how far back this goes. I mean, video and radio cassettes. Anyway, on this particular issue, I don't think you're wrong at all, as I've been there and experienced the same things you spoke of. Yes, I was at the healing school, ikeja. I don't know where it's situated now, but the school was at oregun and we'd have to pass Chris okotie's church to get there. All I can say is what people see on TV is a different reality from what's on ground. Personally, I didn't see one person from my fellow students who was healed. Not one person. But we were all instructed to raise and wave our hands after the pastor has touched us. I wasn't healed either. They can accuse me of not having enough faith yada yada, but I didn't see anyone else come out of that hall joyful because they've been healed. But the edited version on TV is a whole nother ball game. You'd have to give it up to their TV crew. I didn't talk about it much because I felt the same way you feel now: I didn't want to accept that what happened happened. I was afraid to look at the reality. My faith was at stake. I can't believe I've typed this long.

Holy2Glory:
You are very ignorant. Who told you that wether we or Christ Embassy that all the people jumping in excitement were all instantly Heald? Did pastor Christ tell you that? Those people were all educated to do that immediately after they are been ministered to inorder to try acting on their faith. Fortunately some who really understood the course gets Heald wether there or later. But the others who have this same mind set of yours go back with their sicknesses and continue wailing. This is why I first asked you If you at all
understood the paradyamicz of faith. You are yet to let us know what actually your anger is about. Tell us whybyoubare angry even Jesus is not complaining

Holy2Glory:
With all due respect I have gone through all.
My friend you see. I like the fact that you said you are still in the faith. Now my problem is not how real or fake the healings were. I am not even a Christ Embassy member to start with though I attend their programme. May major concern is that Christ is been preached, and that's what apostle Paul made us understand in the book of Philippians In chapter 2 or 3 Thereabout. By all these things you people do, you may have jusg discouraged some fellow or an unbeliever that wants to accept Christ for The first time. Do you know how terrible the punishment is as prescribed by the scriptures? I am saying this because after all the criticism before those kind of people you won't have the time to tell them that Jesus is Lord. Just get it.

GET JESUS NOW

LagBlogger:
I never said Christ embassy miracles are real or discrediting the bible. Just explaining how it's possible for a blind man to say he can see men walking as trees

Holy2Glory:
What an ignorant thing.
I watched pastor Chris do miracles, and i also have read your article criticizit him. I was not there with you to confirm what you are saying. But atleast i could watch the TV and see people who were critically down with illness but not healed and fully recovered. Should I now believe the letters you just woke up and write or should i ɓelieve what my two eyes saw consistently? You may need some additional sleep or somewhat help. But let this additional sleep not be the other type that there is no waking up ooh! How dare you touch God's annointed even if he made a mistake? It is written, touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm.

GET JESUS NOW!

Astra101:
Hmmm, this is a 2008 thread but I notice something from the first two and last two pages.

In 2008,the comments from the first two pages were defensive, I mean defending the faith regardless of CE being culpable of any wrong doing or not. Now in 2024, the comments from the last two pages seek to question the veracity of pastor Chris miracle claims giving the evidence put forward by Sir John.

There seems to be a shift in momentum.

LagBlogger:
Blind men can form mental images in their minds without sight through touch.

It is possible that he must have felt a tree and form such an image in his mind before gaining his sight

blahc007:
Jesus opened the eye of a man, he saw for the first time, and his report was that he saw men walking like trees.....person weh never see before....

How e take know how tree be? That he can differentiate between men and tree