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Ken4Christ:
If your assertion is true, I doubt if Pastor Chris himself is aware of it. This is my opinion. Why would he do such a thing? Even our Lord Jesus couldn't heal everyone who was sick in his days. Well, If you are correct, time will vindicate you because there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

Good morning Ken. You've asked the very question I said you would ask based on your naivity, i.e. Why would he do that? Naivity doesn't always mean ignorance, but rather judging others based on your innocence. You would never do that even if paid and so you assume others won't.

Having worked for the highest levels of ministry on earth, CE can't compare to the ministries I'm talking about by the way, you've done what almost every staff does when they realise a place they held in high esteem isn't what it is. You tried to vindicate and exclude the major head from the happenings.

Don't be fooled, he knows every single thing happening and ensures it stays that way to keep the USD in. Most of you don't know the sort of funds coming into mega ministries. A mega ministry in the West will easily rake in $100 million USD a year. Most of your so called figurehead preachers don't actually even own their organisations but are puppets for single investors behind the scenes. Let's not touch on money laundering amongst them, that's a story for another day. For those of you struggling with works, when you have access to these lot, you realise the extent of Christ Sanctification in you.

He knows and that's why he has an inner caucus of mostly family in this game. Anita never knew that's for sure but I think she found out towards the end from what I was reliably told. Find a way to stay strong in the faith and get your dependence off these men.

Regarding things being hidden and exposed, sadly that isn't always the case. In the US or instance they are well over 200,000 unsolved murders and 2876 or so in the UK, some ranging more than a century. Paul writing to Timothy said "‭1 Timothy 5:24 KJV‬
[24] Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after".
Peter popoff was nicely exposed and guess what, he still makes over $23 million USD.each year.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLKXRVScOwE?si=xlxWcVZ7nQs8PgTD

Peter popoff when exposed by James Randi was caught being told by his wife who gave him information to keep his hands off a black nig****s titties during a crusade. Foolish Christians still argue God was using him whilst he was being caught scamming others.

Ken4Christ:
I haven't been to the healing school and I can't confirm what you are saying. The point I am making is that miracles still happens. And I have witnessed quite a few in the personal meetings I conducted.

One was a crippled man who came with clutches. But at the end of the meeting, he was healed and carried his clutches home. Few weeks later we checked on him and he was even getting stronger. It happened in a prayer meeting of just about 50 persons 1999.

The second case was also a man on clutches. His case was worse than that of first man. X-RAY revealed that his bones were shattered. So, there was no way he could ever walk.

He didn't start walking during the service. But he said that the message I preached kept coming back to his memory. And I focused on the scripture, 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me' taken from Philippians 4:13. He decided to try walking the evening of that day and he was shocked that his legs could carry him. When he went back for the Xray, it was a fresh bone that grew out. The shattered bones were no where to be found.

There are couple of other miracles space will not permit me to include here.

I know that miracles are real. I also know of someone who got healed years back in one of Pastor Chris program, Day of Bliss in Port Harcourt.

Dear Ken, thank you for your reply. If you took the time to read my write-up, you will see I clearly stated I believe in the Miracles. As a matter of fact I work for the highest levels of Ministry on earth. You should know there are only a handful of Ministries on earth with a global impact beyond what CE offers in Nigeria. I help the ministries of those who literally all preachers in Nigeria will honor its head as a father in the faith.

My argument is what is being pushed fort as miracles at Christ embassy. I can categorically tell you that literally no one amongst all those who were jumping and reacting as they were told to during Healing streams was healed. Why you may ask? I have witnessed and documented the same thing amongst literally all the healing school attendees. Most at home assumed they were healed because of the following.

1. They got off the wheelchair.
2 They got off the stretchers.
3. They saw them celebrating.
4. The voice over from the woman told you to "watch them celebrate with excitement"
5. You had no idea that everyone there could move and get off wheelchairs if not they would not be ministered to by Pastor Chris.

As I said, this isn't about the reality of Miracles but understanding the method in which people are being abused and you are being fooled. Pastor Chris cannot minister outside Christ embassy because he really does need his atmosphere which comprises of his inner caucus to pull off this stunt. As I said, Jesus said "go into the world and preach the gospel". You can never see this man go into a country where Christ embassy isn't already established to have a meeting.

I repeat it once more, take someone you know to the healing school and you will be saddened at what humanity can do in order to use others. That footage is prime gold to the viewers and has to be gotten at any cost by CE. The crowd seeing anyone jumping off their wheelchairs immediately assumes they couldn't or have never walked. Go and watch the video clip again as well as others, the narrator clearly says time and again that they are celebrating because they are healed.

The narrative is now changing. First it was that they are all healed, to Pastor Chris never said they were healed, it is dependent on their faith. The next question if we tow this line is how come all those who cannot get off a wheelchair are never brought to Pastor Chris? This is a ping pong like setting and I can see why Sir john decided not to engage. It is simple, get together, sow your seeds towards taking a sick individual to the healing school. Ensure it is your most trustworthy person who will give a good report, pay for their hotel for about two weeks, travel and feeding and go through the school with them. CE will end up with the three videos I made mention off, read page nine of this article below.
https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

Don't think I was ever happy to have discovered these truths. I had always looked up on Pastor Chris, but something did not just seem right. it took going to the healing school to burst that bubble. As I said and I repeat it again, I believe in Miracles and probably seen and documented them with some of the biggest Ministries on earth. This what you see is nonsense.

Limited replies going forward as questions have been answered, you now know the modus operandi, go back and you'll see this repeated in the Mins.

Stay blessed and have a fab night ya'll.

ggsquare:
Last year I saw someone with a serious leg problem got instant healing watching healing stream from the TV.
The thing shock me, another woman got healed of prolonged waist problem watching the healing stream that same day, so how can one get healing from watching it on TV, at least I saw it live. I don't think that man of God is fake, I think sirJohn was just talking about his feelings not facts

Hundreds of others were also at the healing school at various sessions and not a single miracle occurred. I was at the healing school also and witness the shame of humanity. Humanity that profits off the feable whilst fooling them. Rev Tom, Pastor Chris, pastor Eddy, Deaconess Gbadamosi, Sister Shola and brother Dele back then were part of the inner caucus and kingpins in the fraud Until you know the modus operandi, you are wasting your time on trying to decipher how it happened . Sirjohns experience was 2008, I experienced only what I can call madness wya before that. Read this article and understand the pattern of how the scam operates I've gone on to work for some of the biggest ministries on earth, those that are wathced in TV, the world over, so if there was ever a trick being pulled I'm the one to meet to show you where applicable (applicable being key).

Please read the long write-up here and go back and watch all his meetings. I briefly joined Nairaland in 2019 and commented on the same topic , but left literally after days due to extreme work commitments.

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

Ken4Christ:
I am indestructible. The greater one lives in me.

Dear Ken, can you please do the favour and get someone to the healing school and witness all these accusations. As stated previously, everyone at your recent meeting i.e. healing streams could get off the wheelchairs and yet were portrayed as not being able to walk etc.

As someone who went to the healing school and saw the sham pulled off by Rev Tom, pastor Eddy,.pastor Chris, Deaconess Gbadamosi, pastor Shola (female), pastor Dele (male), it was a horrible sight. It is very hard to burst tour bubble.. Regarding Pentecostalism I've climbed up the top of the ladder on earth and seen so much, that if you let me know when next you have a major meeting. I'll sit you next to pastor Chris on stage (if one is set up or the first row? . On a second thought, that'll reveal much about me which isn't needed now.

This is an honest request for answers. My earlier write up which you can read here still stands. No one at the healing school got healed and yet they were all portrayed as healed by the man of God. I wish it wasn't true but there are certain things in life you see and can't unsee. Here is my write up, please READ.

The very long thread.

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

If you provide an answer to all that hundreds of actual Healing school patients have seen then you'll have my ears. Without being disrespectful you haven't been in the healing school throughout and seen all the phases, if not you'll be a part of the inner caucus. Some see snippets but not the whole show. Worst of all, once the jumping around as a reaction to how to receive you healing is done ,.folks are literally dumped.

Thanks

SirJohn:
Seeing this thread on FP after over 15 years since it was first published feels so surreal.
Just to put in proper perspective how far this thread have come, this thread came up at a time when it was a flex to use flip phones. When using a blackberry phone with trackpad was like using the latest iPhone, when blackberry OS and the Symbian OS of Nokia reigned supreme. If you were born at the time this thread came on Nairaland, you'd probably be preparing to enter the university.

Exchanges on Nairaland were a lot less toxic than what it is today (The more reason I will probably not be engaging on this thread).

This is a thread of my experience at the 2008 session of the healing school and the conclusions drawn based on certain facts which still remain very valid. I believe there a lots of revelations, claims and counter claims, drama and a ship load of opinions all woven into this thread over the last 15 years or so.

May God give us wisdom to discern

Dear sir John, do get in touch when you can. Glad your work is still changing the hearts of men, one person at a time. Do feel free to reach out when you can and thanks once again for opening the eyes of many to the abuse taking place at Christ embassy.

FYI for most of you who come here to bash etc, I always say in fifty lifetimes you won't ever have access to pastor Chris,.talk more of the accounts at these ministries like some of us do. Next time you have a meeting, let me know I'll throw you folks at the front seats of your very own churches you go to based on global Connections. Said that to show I've gone deep in Pentecostalism than those who blindly argue.

chukzie2002:
What I understood from your write up is that you're confused...you just want to write for content sake. Your claim has no substantial proof. I pray you won't be in dire need of miracle one day.

Your state of mind has a great role to play in you getting a miracle.

You talked of a man with a collar that put his faith to work and start moving his neck? in what atmosphere? In an atmosphere of faith in healing school not at his house abi? You're just confused my chief

You are I'll informed. A lot of folks who went to the healing school, were prayed for and pushed to the media as healed were not. They are coming out after years of silence and having been taken advantage of to speak. Could it just be that your version of the gospel might cease to exist if the man most people had placed on a throne as God is false? You are worried because if pastor Chris is faking the scenes to give the impression that loads have been healed, then what else is real. Minus pastor Jerry, no one out there is on the level of the supernatural as him and pastor Chris. Your bubble is about to burst and tour real foundations revealed.

ibinaboonline:
Just finished reading the while things. Very revealing.

Thank you so much for reading. Once you see the tactics, you know what's being done and will always see it repeated at different times. This is a scandal that needs to be exposed for what it is. Glad to see SirJohn is still doing a good work.

These lot at the school are victims, I experienced this madness in the early 2000's.

GlobeTrotter2:
I myself have been healed in Pastor Chris Crusade in 1999. Am I also faking it

Healed of what exactly.

Acidosis:
Miracles are real. I have seen a blind man regain his sight "live and direct" at a Reinhard Bonnke's crusade.
And no, it wasn't a fake miracle. He never called anyone to "testify" or come out to prove that his miracles are genuine. He does his thing and leaves. My encounter happened right in the midst of a huge crowd. People who noticed this particular miracle won't be more than 5 as things were happening at different points at a time.

I don't think the argument is about the reality of Miracles, but in the fact that what is taking place at the healing school of Christ embassy is an abuse of the vulnerable .

ibinaboonline:
Speaking about your friends daughter, I do not deny the fact that people may experience changes in their physical conditions during or after visiting the healing school; it is probably the same reasons for which people get 'healed' after visiting the shrine of 'Our lady of Lourdes' in france.

You've just confirmed my suspicion. This is a post from an intelligent person.

A side note, I hardly, if ever, participate in accusations against men of God because I'm a true Christian, a believer... In God. I also know how dangerous it is to attack servants of God, so I tend to not touch issues like this at all. Like you, I can't even begin to tell you how utterly devoted I was to pastor Chris' teachings back in the early 2000s. I still have video tape messages of him I bought, so you can imagine how far back this goes. I mean, video and radio cassettes. Anyway, on this particular issue, I don't think you're wrong at all, as I've been there and experienced the same things you spoke of. Yes, I was at the healing school, ikeja. I don't know where it's situated now, but the school was at oregun and we'd have to pass Chris okotie's church to get there. All I can say is what people see on TV is a different reality from what's on ground. Personally, I didn't see one person from my fellow students who was healed. Not one person. But we were all instructed to raise and wave our hands after the pastor has touched us. I wasn't healed either. They can accuse me of not having enough faith yada yada, but I didn't see anyone else come out of that hall joyful because they've been healed. But the edited version on TV is a whole nother ball game. You'd have to give it up to their TV crew. I didn't talk about it much because I felt the same way you feel now: I didn't want to accept that what happened happened. I was afraid to look at the reality. My faith was at stake. I can't believe I've typed this long.

Thanks for sharing this. I remember being driven past Chris Okoties church which had some nice gates. Sadly I experienced the same thing and understood how individuals are fooled into giving footage for their use. Let's be truthful to our spirits, this is madness. It only dawns on you half way through the actual big night that you've been scammed. I wrote an article on this on page 9 of this thread. Read the long thread and you'll add the pieces together

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

Holy2Glory:
You are very ignorant. Who told you that wether we or Christ Embassy that all the people jumping in excitement were all instantly Heald? Did pastor Christ tell you that? Those people were all educated to do that immediately after they are been ministered to inorder to try acting on their faith. Fortunately some who really understood the course gets Heald wether there or later. But the others who have this same mind set of yours go back with their sicknesses and continue wailing. This is why I first asked you If you at all
understood the paradyamicz of faith. You are yet to let us know what actually your anger is about. Tell us whybyoubare angry even Jesus is not complaining

You are a liar from the pit of hell. You change your narrative at every turn. The woman on the video says they are healed, look at them celebrate. That is standard audio voiceover at the healing school sessions. Be consistent in your output and represent a good God,.not all this deceptive thjngs you write, it is demonic.

Holy2Glory:
With all due respect I have gone through all.
My friend you see. I like the fact that you said you are still in the faith. Now my problem is not how real or fake the healings were. I am not even a Christ Embassy member to start with though I attend their programme. May major concern is that Christ is been preached, and that's what apostle Paul made us understand in the book of Philippians In chapter 2 or 3 Thereabout. By all these things you people do, you may have jusg discouraged some fellow or an unbeliever that wants to accept Christ for The first time. Do you know how terrible the punishment is as prescribed by the scriptures? I am saying this because after all the criticism before those kind of people you won't have the time to tell them that Jesus is Lord. Just get it.

GET JESUS NOW

Christ is preached at the detriment of people being abused. What would Jesus call that?? You preach Christ whilst fooling cancer, Kidney and brain tumour patients to get money off the crowd. We need to stop this foolishness in the body of Christ. Because of you the Bible says the name of the Lord is blasphemed amongst the heathen.

You claim you have Christ who is love and you approve of people being abused. That is demonic if no one on earth has told you that before. That isn't of God and isn't the work of Christ.


Do you know how many walk away from the faith after they have been scammed at these meetings. You are seriously deluded and I mean it.

If you said such a nonsense to the late Reinhard Bonnke you would be rebuked. I mentioned Reninghard because I was privileged to work with ministers like him, he would rebuke you openly for smearing the beautiful garments of Christ with such vile things. Such demonic acts do not bear lasting fruit and not acts of a good God and his offspring.

Every family member, the sick and all who were tricked and abused will not come to Christ because of this evil. You are a living epistle of the word, read by all men. You really think that someone who has been abused by these lot will come to Christ?

[quote author=Holy2Glory post=129092479][/quote]Thanks for thecomment, I am saved, love the Lord, I must state this first, but I must also tell you that the healing school is a scam. I experienced the scam of it about twenty years ago. Read the long write up on this page. Been privy to work with the major evangelist on earth and still do and sadly Christ Embassy is not it. Some will argue that Hinn is hanging around him and that legitimises the ministry, however that is far from it. Now isn't the time to explain what's happening there but if I feel the time is right, I'll speak on that also. As I said in other threads without any apologies 99.9% of Christians on earth will never see the behind the scenes I have scene in ministry, most choose to live in a bubble.

Please read this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

It explains all that is happening there. This isn't here say but a first hand experience

LagBlogger:
I never said Christ embassy miracles are real or discrediting the bible. Just explaining how it's possible for a blind man to say he can see men walking as trees

Bless, apologies that was my response to the person who you responded to. I just copied the whole thing to show that the man who saw men as trees was not born blind.

Holy2Glory:
What an ignorant thing.
I watched pastor Chris do miracles, and i also have read your article criticizit him. I was not there with you to confirm what you are saying. But atleast i could watch the TV and see people who were critically down with illness but not healed and fully recovered. Should I now believe the letters you just woke up and write or should i ɓelieve what my two eyes saw consistently? You may need some additional sleep or somewhat help. But let this additional sleep not be the other type that there is no waking up ooh! How dare you touch God's annointed even if he made a mistake? It is written, touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm.

GET JESUS NOW!

Dear Sir/ madam, I can comfortably say you watched a sequence of events created by Christ embassy to create a scene you believe in. Go to page 83 on this thread or page 9 on the link below and read how you were tricked. I was a first hand witness to the scam of the healing school, had I not had a deep rooted faith in God, I probably would have left the faith. Read the link below and you'll see the pattern repeated at every major Christ embassy event. Do me the favour, READ...

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8


THE LONG WRITE-UP

Astra101:
Hmmm, this is a 2008 thread but I notice something from the first two and last two pages.

In 2008,the comments from the first two pages were defensive, I mean defending the faith regardless of CE being culpable of any wrong doing or not. Now in 2024, the comments from the last two pages seek to question the veracity of pastor Chris miracle claims giving the evidence put forward by Sir John.

There seems to be a shift in momentum.

Things are not adding up and most of them know it
Once you understand how the scam takes place, you can never unsee it. Page 83 and page 9 of this link answer the following questions

https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

What happens in the healing school
Are those people really sick or paid actors
How can it be fake when they are all celebrating etc
How can the crowd be fooled
How do they get up wheelchairs

Read along.

LagBlogger:
Blind men can form mental images in their minds without sight through touch.

It is possible that he must have felt a tree and form such an image in his mind before gaining his sight

Hello there, I actually responded to this Convo, please find an answer which lines up with the actual events if the story according to the word. Learn the word


Whilst this thread is set out to prove that all people see at the healing school isn't as it is, let's not try to discredit the reality of the Bible when we have a limited knowledge of it. The story of the blind man who saw men as trees never states he was born blind. In incidents in the Bible where the person bad an ailment which began at birth, it was stated so. A lot of people loose their sight in life and weren't necessarily born that way. Please find the scripture for your perusal

‭Mark 8:22-24 KJV‬
[22] And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. [23] And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. [24] And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

In another instance, he met one who was born blind. I do believe in the miraculous but as stated on this thread and another thread, what is going on at Christ embassy is a shambles. I laid bare the reality of the healing school in this thread.


https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

‭John 9:1-2 KJV‬
[1] And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. [2] And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

blahc007:
Jesus opened the eye of a man, he saw for the first time, and his report was that he saw men walking like trees.....person weh never see before....

How e take know how tree be? That he can differentiate between men and tree

Whilst this thread is set out to prove that all people see at the healing school isn't as it is, let's not try to discredit the reality of the Bible when we have a limited knowledge of it. The story of the blind man who saw men as trees never states he was born blind. In incidents in the Bible where the person bad an ailment which began at birth, it was stated so. A lot of people loose their sight in life and weren't necessarily born that way. Please find the scripture for your perusal

‭Mark 8:22-24 KJV‬
[22] And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. [23] And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. [24] And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.

In another instance, he met one who was born blind. I do believe in the miraculous but as stated on this thread and another thread, what is going on at Christ embassy is a shambles. I laid bare the reality of the healing school in this thread.


https://www.nairaland.com/8039722/pastor-chris-heals-nine-people/8

‭John 9:1-2 KJV‬
[1] And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. [2] And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?



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Seun:
This woman was "healed" by Pastor Chris. She was among the people who rose up from their wheelchairs & were "healed". This is her celebration of "healing." Do you see what's happening or do I have to spell it out?

Update: She wasn't among the people in wheelchairs. After the healing of the people in stretchers, they brought people in wheelchairs and many people standing up to the stage. Pastor Chris declared that they are all healed and they started celebrating on the stage. 🤦‍♂️

Not sure whose side you're on but I wrote a long write-up above showing you what is happening. Look for pastor shola, brother dele, deaconess gbadamosi who were key figures in the healing school in the early 2000's, they are the lowest of the low in life. Celebrations are part of the acts of faith taught to students at the healing school which are meant to be keys in getting healed.

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Realdeals:
The manner all those on the stretcher leaves it makes it more suspicious. Were they all suffering from the same ailments? Was there no transition period between the time the miracle was professed and it happening?

Thanks for your comment, read my writeup and you'll know what's happening.

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