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Scholar8200:
It's good to have a balanced view of history. God judged Sodom and Gomorrah by the hand of two angels sent; God also judged those nations by the hand of Joshua (when the cup of iniquity was full and warnings had been scorned) for this reason: Deuteronomy 18:13 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. But when Israel fell to the same abomination and scorned God's warning, this is what happened: 2 Chronicles 36:16-20 but they (Israelites) mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy. 17 Therefore he brought upon them the king of the Chaldees, who slew their young men with the sword in the house of their sanctuary, and had no compassion upon young man or maiden, old man, or him that stooped for age: he gave them all into his hand. 18 And all the vessels of the house of God, great and small, and the treasures of the house of the Lord, and the treasures of the king, and of his princes; all these he brought to Babylon.19 And they burnt the house of God, and brake down the wall of Jerusalem, and burnt all the palaces thereof with fire, and destroyed all the goodly vessels thereof.
20 And them that had escaped from the sword carried he away to Babylon; where they were servants to him and his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia: God judged Israel too by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon! Neither Joshua nor Babylon were in the process of spreading a religion;

God the Righteous Judge chose to execute His judgement when the time was ripe and warnings had being ignored. He could have sent Angels or the elements but the final decision rests with Him.

Jagoon:
Don't give me a link that is stating someone's opinion, quote a bible verse that refers to Joshua as a prophet.

truthman2012:
Ignorance!
Jesus is a Spirit from God (Quran 21;91). The Spirit of God is God.
Your spirit is you.

So to cap your delusion, are you saying that Jesus, when he was alive doesn't have flesh and bones Think hard before you answer this.

Jesus is the word of God (Quran 3:45).

You are what you say. You cannot separate a person from his word.

Jagoon:
Abeg stop your al taqquiya Joshua was never referred to as a prophet in the bible and even then his violence pales in significance to that your paedophile wannabe prophet.

Demmzy15:
If this incident happened 20 years ago, it means truthman2012 is around 60 years . Upon your old age, you still lie. Suspension ko Expulsion ni . Liar oshi

truthman2012:
I tell the truth and lie not, if not for Jesus, I would have been dead long ago when I ate poison and all medical treatments proved abortive. If I were a muslim, I would have been in hell now. Glory be to my Jesus.

If not for Jesus, I would have lost one of my twin girls from falling from a storey-building but was suspended on the air at the shout of Jesus

...as old as you are, you are still lying smh.

..truthman..

truthman2012:
Which OP?

Already totally refuted. What else do you still want to hear? Read through all my posts here.

...ewoo. which kain lie be this? what did you refute?
The major point of this thread is to show you that Jesus (your god) is a normal human being like myself and you. Though he being a Prophet of God is closer to God than us, but THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIM GOD ALMIGHTY, so far you are yet to prove otherwise, just ur usual evading of question(s)

..truthman..

truthman2012:
I told you Jesus arrestors fell without him touching them, what reason was there for him to panic? Sometimes he would pass in their midst and they would not see him, what reason was there for him to panic? That should be enough to tell you he surrendered himself to fulfill his mission.

He just didn't want to be distracted. He escaped because he was yet to finish his mission.

He went through them without anyone seeing him, that is a display of power. He could have done so for his life time if he didn't want to surrender himself.

One of the problems of you muslim is that you lack good understanding of spiritual operations.

truthman2012:
[s] Allah confirms he is a deceiver, then where is the TRUTH in islam. The whole content of the quran is deception as the giver (allah) is a deceiver. You see sister, none of them can refute allah being a deceiver, what do we expect his slaves to be. Rilwayne0..01 created the fake ''truthman2013 to deceive. Impersonation.

truthman2013:
Am I 'truthman'? YES

Did I claim to be grandpa a.k.a truthman2012? NO

Do you have any objection to the above? PRESENT IT.

Its as simple as that.

truthman2013:
Am I 'truthman'? YES
Did I claim to be grandpa a.k.a truthman2012? NO
Do you have any objection to the above? PRESENT IT.
Its as simple as that.

parisbookaddict:
The real truth?? Dude where are u hiding it, show us what u know about islam. So far u have talked tooo much and done nothing, de rien! Away with u... Create topics, post your own rebuttals let's see what u know.

truthman2012:
Let him tell the LIES I have ever told. Besides, does he need to change his user name to mine before he can burst any lies?

truthman2012:
Your thread in which you quoted the bible without knowledge. Smh!

Demmzy15:
She's scared o, a new moniker to destroy your takkiyah and "fasad"

lol. I was even expecting them to call on seun so as for him to come and ban me till enternity.
They are all scared of the real truth.

parisbookaddict:
[s] Scared Of?? Dude u are practising deception and al taqqiya. Something a lot of Nairaland muslims do in varied degrees. Its not new here but your approach to al taqiyya is, u have followed mohammeds instructions well. [/s]

tartar9:
so you have copyright over any moniker that starts with truthman

truthman2012:
[s] Islam is counterfeit. Muslims are always not ashamed to copy the Christians, yet they condemn us. If we are not the ORIGINAL, why are they copying us? Even the quran copied and twisted the bible.

About 4 days ago, I saw an islamic preacher on television trying to preach like a pastor, the only difference was that instead of calling the name of Jesus, he was saying in the name of allahh. Did allahh tell them to pray in his name? Now some of them have started using altars like the church, instead of sitting down as slaves, which they claim. Not long we will see them taking chairs into the mosques, wanting to behave like sons. [/s]

parisbookaddict:
So your brain couldn't come up with other creative ideas to choose a moniker

[s] Let me give u some ideas #Altaqiyya4mohammed
#jihad-on-kaffirinternet
#kitman4altaqiyya
#defendthepedophileprohetofislam
#deceiveTHEignorantKAFFIRS [/s]

I guess they are too long and will not cause as much mischief as copying the real truthman2012's moniker... U must be obsessed with him.

malvisguy212:
Truthman2012 is a thorn in muslims flesh, they cannot get him out of here , even dough they succeeded in doing so in their Islamic section, they followed him to this section, who ever is this truthman2013(EzeAuditore) , you are not even ashamed of your self , you learn this from the quran, by God willing we will continue to bring the truth to you guys until its sealed in your hearth.God is inviting everyone of you to his home:

Isaiah1:18
"Come now, let's settle this," says the
LORD. "Though your SINS ARE LIKE SCARLET ,I WILL MAKE THEM AS WHITE AS SNOW. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.

Isaiah 43:25
"I, even I, am he who BLOTS OUT YOUR TRANSGRESSION , for my own sake, and
remembers your sins NO MORE .

Isaiah 43:26
Review the past for me, let us argue the
matter together; STATE THE CASE FOR YOUR INNOCENCE .

Isaiah 44:22
I have SWEPT AWAY YOUR OFFENSES like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. RETURN TO MESSIAH, for I have redeemed you."

The gate of heaven is wide open for any muslims who want to come in , anyone interested??

truthman2012:
This is an extract from your link:
Tell me what authority backs up these stories?

If I present any story for you about Christianity, wouldn't you ask for evidence? So in islam, anybody can just cook up a story for muslims' consumption provided it favours the religion. Serious. I cited the quran for you, you don't believe it but you can believe an islamic clergy even without any islamic authoritative backing - the hadiths, which are said to be the words and deed of Muhammad. Therefore, your explanations do not hold water at all.

truthman2012:
Where?

"GOD" ON THE RUN "God"

Was Panic-Stricken: "After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." (John, 7:1)

"God" Walked in Fear of the Jews: "Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews." (John, 11:53-54)

"God" Has Shown a Clean Pair of Heels: "Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand." (John, 10:39)

"God" Fled in Disguise: "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (John, 8:59)

truthman2012:
Sorry, it is John 18:6

So why was he running around in the first place

Demmzy15:
Bros I dey smell u o!

biko...i gotta give this baba a run for his money.

truthman2012:
But you saw Matthew.

truthman2012:
In fact, when he said ''here I am'' his arrestors fell without a touch. Matt. 8:6-7: When Jesus said, “I am he,”
they drew back and fell to the
ground. Again he asked them ,
“Who is it you want?

That shows he surrendered himself.

truthman2012:
Yes.

At what point of his arrest did the Disciples desert him?

truthman2012:
Matthew 26:51–54
51 And suddenly, one of
those who were with Jesus
stretched out his hand and
drew his sword, struck the
servant of the high priest, and
cut off his ear.
52 But Jesus said to him,
“Put your sword in its place,
for all who take the sword will
perish by the sword.
53 Or do
you think that I cannot now
pray to My Father, and He will
provide Me with more than
twelve legions of angels?
54 How then could the
Scriptures be fulfilled, that it
must happen thus?”
.

Demmzy15:

kikihihi

truthman2012:
Now, look at that HARSHNESS OR WICKEDNESS from the quranic perspective: [Quran 8:12] When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then SMITE the NECKS and SMITE of them each FINGER.

You see, the historical context also matters here. Had it been you are ready for the truth, contrary to your mission on this board to spread lies around, you will see that this is not what you want it to mean.

Let go to the historical context again:

During the first decade or so of the Prophethood at
Makkah, the Message had proved its firmness, and
stability. This was the result of two things. First, the
Messenger, who possessed the highest qualities of
character, was performing his Mission with wisdom,
foresight and magnanimity. He had shown by his
conduct that he had made up his mind to carry the
movement to a successful end and, therefore, was
ready to face all sorts of dangers and obstacles in the
way. Secondly, the Message was so charming that it
attracted the minds and hearts of the people irresistibly
towards itself. So much so that all obstacles of
ignorance, superstition and petty prejudices failed to
check, its advance. That is why the Arab upholders of
the ways of "ignorance,' who looked down upon it in its
initial stages, had' begun to reckon it as a serious
menace during the last period of the stay of the Holy
Prophet at Makkah, and were bent on crushing it with
all the force at their command. But in spite of the
above-mentioned strength, the movement still lacked
certain things to lead it to victory:-
First, it had not yet been fully proved that it had
gathered round it a sufficient number of such followers
who not only believed in its truth, but also had such an
intense devotion to its principles that they were ready
to expend all their energies and all that they possessed
in the struggle for its success and establishment. So
much so that they were ready to sacrifice their lives in
the fight against the whole world itself even though they
should be their own nearest relative. It is true that the
followers of Islam had endured the severest
persecutions at the hands of the Quraish of Makkah
and had given a good proof of the firmness of their
faith and their strong relation with Islam, yet further
trials were required to show that Islam had succeeded
in acquiring such a band of followers which considered
nothing dearer than its ideal and was ready to sacrifice
life for it.
Secondly, though the voice of Islam had reached' every
part of the country, its effects were yet scattered and its
acquired strength was spread here and there: it had not
yet gathered sufficient force essential for a decisive
conflict with the old established order of "ignorance".
Thirdly, Islam had yet no home of its own and had not
established itself firmly anywhere in the land where it
could consolidate its power and make it a base for
further action. For the Muslims were scattered all over
the country and were living among the unbelievers as
aliens whom their bloodthirsty enemies wanted to
uproot from their own homes.
Fourthly, the Muslims had not yet had an opportunity
to demonstrate practically the blessings of the system of
life based on Islam. There was neither any Islamic
culture, nor any social, economic or political system;
nor were there any established principles of war and
peace for their guidance. Therefore the Muslims had no
opportunity for demonstrating those moral principles
on which they intended to build their entire system of
life; nor had it been proved on the touchstone of trial
that the Muslims as a community were sincere in their
proclamation of the Message.
Allah created opportunities for making up these
deficiencies.
During the last four years or so of the Prophet's stay at
Makkah, the voice of Islam had been proving effective
at Yathrab and the people for various reasons had been
accepting the message more readily than other clans of
Arabia. So much so that in the twelfth year of
Prophethood on the occasion of Haj a deputation of 75
people met the Holy Prophet in the darkness of night.
These people not only accepted Islam, but also offered
to give him and his followers a home. As this was a
most epoch making opportunity provided by Allah, the
Holy Prophet took advantage of it.
The significance of this offer was quite clear to the
people of Yathrab, and they fully realized that this was
not an invitation to a mere fugitive, but to the
Messenger of Allah so that he should become their
leader and ruler. Likewise they knew that they were not
inviting the Muslim refugees to give them shelter from
persecution but to assemble them from all over the
country for their integration with themselves to form an
organized community. Thus the offer of the people of
Yathrab was to make Yathrab the "City of Islam."
Accordingly the Holy Prophet accepted their invitation
and made it the first "City of Islam" in Arabia.
And the people of Yathrab were fully aware of the
implications of this offer. It was indeed a declaration of
war against the whole of Arabia, and an invitation to
their own social and economic boycott as well. And
when the Ansar from Yathrab declared their allegiance
to the Holy Prophet at Aqabah, they knew fully well its
consequences. During the course of the formal
declaration of allegiance, Asad-bin- Zurarah, the
youngest of all the delegates from Yathrab, stood up
and said, "0 people of Yathrab! Just listen to me and
consider the matter carefully in all its aspects. Though
we have come to him, regarding him only as a
Messenger of Allah, we should know that we shall be
inviting the enmity of the whole of Arabia. For when we
take him away to Yathrab, we shall be attacked and our
children may be put to the sword. Therefore if you have
the courage in your hearts to face it, then and then
only, you should declare your allegiance to him and
Allah will give you its reward. But if you love your lives
more than him and his Message, then leave this matter
and frankly excuse yourselves, for at this time Allah may
accept your excuses."
Abbas bin Ubadah bin Naalah, another member of the
delegation, reiterated the same thing, saying,
Do you understand the implication of the declaration of
your allegiance to this person?" (Voices, "Yes, we know
it." "You are challenging the whole world to war by
your declaration of allegiance to him. There is every
likelihood of a serious menace to your lives and
properties. Therefore consider it well. If you have any
idea lurking in your minds that you will then hand him
over to his enemies, it is much better to leave him alone
now, because that conduct shall bring shame and
disgrace to you in this world and the next. On the other
hand, if you have sincerely resolved that you will
endure all kinds of consequences that will follow as a
result of this invitation, then it would be the best thing
to take the oath of allegiance to him because, by God,
this will surely bring good to you in this world as well
as in the next world."
At this all the members of the delegation cried with one
voice, "We are ready and prepared to risk all our wealth
and our noble kith and kin for his sake."
It was then that the famous oath of allegiance, which is
known as the "Second Oath of Allegiance at Aqabah"
was taken.
On the other side, the people of Makkah also
understood fully well the implications of this matter
from their own point of view. They realized that
Muhammad (Allah's peace be upon him), who, they
knew well, had a great personality and possessed
extraordinary abilities, was going to gain a strong
footing, by this allegiance. For this would help integrate
his followers, whose constancy, determination, and
unwavering fidelity to the Messenger had been tried,
into a disciplined community under his wise leadership
and guidance. And they knew that this would spell
death for their old ways of life. They also realized the
strategic importance of. Al-Madinah to their trade,
which was their chief means of livelihood.



Read more here: http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/8/index.html

truthman2012:
Lies!!

I already know your nane nah. why are you reminding me?

Well, my mission with this moniker is to cancel your name as done in my DP

This your interpretation sounds so watery.