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OLAADEGBU:
Answer this question truthfully, if you are capable of doing that. Do you daily curse the Jews and Christians?

Demmzy15:
This OLAADEGBU of guy, na wa for you o. This is how you people spread lies and some gullible footsoldiers would be opening their brown teeth

Medicis:
look for the one written by john in greek and you can do the the translation yourself.

malvisguy212:
yes, he was a gentile.

I was only trying to explained to you what the Jews reffere soothsayer as a prophet.

And I ask, why would God spirit descend on a soothsayer despite Yahweh warning again soothsayer Leviticus 19:31

The transfeguration the baptism of Jesus and the encounter between Moses elijah and enoch record Jesus encounter with the father,

infacte the bible say Jesus exist before the world began and He shere the glory together with God.

Muhammed did not here directly from allah, if he does you should provide evidence, infacte who are the witnesses of his alleged calling ?

Medicis:
We still do. Your believe does not change the fact that there is a FATHER, SON(word) and HOLYSPIRIT and they are one.

PAGAN9JA:
this is nonsense. we should also expel the muslims from our lands.

Annunaki:
How can any right thinking person describe such a pathetic and terribly written piece of literature which contains so many glaring errors and contradictions that also inspires hatred and evil a miracle You really need to get your head examined

malvisguy212:
what are you saying here ? Read all my post again, I say balaam is a gentile, what does that imply ? As a matter of fact, the bible does not even categorised him among a prophet, he was a soothsayer , another meaning of a soothsayer is prophet. a Jewish prophet /soothsayer.

in my first post, I say miracle required faith and believe, what does that imply ? Faith is believing in God. The quran is the greatest miracle ? What about the bible? The torah the book given to Moses, its is only the muslims claimed the quran is the greatest miracle, how did muhammed received this book ? By a medium of satan .

Did muhammed here directly from Allah ?

malvisguy212:
did my post deny ,balaam is not a prophet? ....blah blah blah

Did I say miracle is by human effort?

Did muhammed performed a single miracle?

Or even here directly from Allah? Provide a quranic verse.

9jii:
He must mocking igbo in style

Bobbystanley:
Only in the Zoo

malvisguy212:
God prophet must not be a 'lukewarm' its is either you are for God or against God.

So to you, performing miracle is by the effort of human ?

All prophet performed miracle by the help of God,

as a matter of fact , the bible say Sarah was barren until she bore Isaac.

The truth is " miracle required faith and believe,

Sarah believe but at some points she tarry but Abraham keep on believing until God here him"

So in essence, that's the miracle you are trying to say Abraham performed?

…truthman.

malvisguy212:
yes, spirit of the Lord came upon him , infacte the Lord send an angel to prevent the donkey from taking to unwanted place.balaam is not CONSISTENT with his worship to God. You should continue reading the bible, chapter 31 say he was kill together with the Midianites by the isrealite.

Okay, Abraham was a prophet but given birth to Isaac at good old age was a miracle.

malvisguy212:
balaam was a gentile, some Jews believe he is not genuine , if you read the bible, balaam is not consistent in his worship to God, at some points he made prophecy just for his purpose. Number24:1 indicate he was a sorcerer. And then in number 31:9 say he was killed along with the Midianites
by the Israelites .

Christian do not recognised Abraham as a prophet, anyway, Abraham was 100years old when Isaac was born infacte Sarah was 75 when Isaac was born, this is miracle.

Ayomivic:
Now i am putting it to Muslim, you as a Muslim what make you think you are on the way? What are that thing you see in Muhammed that convince you that truly he was a prophet, That make you believe God speaks to him?

malvisguy212:
who prophesied the coming of muhammed ?God did not recognised the arab as people he will raised a prophet from their tribe, ALL the prophet mention are Jews with the exception of muhammed, why ? The quran indicate for every nation were given each prophet , why will the Jews produce soo many prophet? Even the quran indicate ALL prophet were to come from the descended of Abraham and to Isaac and Jacob, who are all Jews.

What kind of miracle muhammed performed ? Splitting of the moon ?or miracle of the quran? ( sent down transmission) how is splitting of the moon a benefit to mankind? All the prophet that were given a book , David and Moses, none of them claimed it as a 'miracle' only muhammed.

Eugenedimgba:
The average Hausa man even admires the power bank I use to charge my phone. Kai yaro,wetin I call am por dis wan? Transpormer??

Demmzy15:
Truthman2013 this humiliation is too much for truthman2012 , wallahi I just laugh my throat wan tear. Gosh!! This old man suppose go spend hin pension for rehabilitation centre!

hahaha as you can see my bros, this old man so much hate the truth that he doesn't even want to hear about it. I, being the real truthman, having brought him the truth; he turned away and called me a "saucy terrorist" WTF!! Perhaps truth is bitter as they used to say.

Top of the morning my kind sire.

..truthman..

Trash!

Untrained,

uncultured,

…saucy terrorist.

Lying and joining all irrelevant quranic verses to mean what he wants them to mean, calling Christians muslims. Smh!

[s] See your false god further LIES here: www.nairaland.com/2507051/muhammad-vs-other-prophets [/s]

lieman2012 aka fake truthman2012

What did you mean it is not for today's Jews and Christians? See how you are lying again. Where is it stated that the verse is referring to then Jews and Christians? Liar.

Once again, even though you are old enough to be my dad, I won't relent in teaching you what you are ignorant of lol... let me put the verse into its rightful context and you should judge it yourself whether its is about todays christians or not: Verse 5:69 appears in the following context

So by that you are saying the quran is not meant for all ages.

Then why are you a muslim? Smh!

"Who said islam is not a muslim thing"?

Which other believers in God call themselves muslims?

Trash!

What is the difference between Israelite Christians and other Christians?

Just formulating lies thinking you are making sense.

Quran also recognises the Christians as idolaters for believing Jesus is the Son of God. Nonsense.

I have severally debunked this your lie. The treaty was between Muhammad and the pagans. It had nothing to do with the Jews and Christians. Why were the Jews and Christians included in Muhammad's genocide? You keep repeating the same trash. Smh!
If it was a war situation, the war should be between Muhammad and the pagans who broke the treaty (even though this has no authentic hadith backing), then why fight them "even if they are people of the Book"? Yes, Quran 9 again because it says "kill anybody who did not believe in allah who forbid not what is forbidden by him" This is a general term affecting anybody who did not forbid what muslims forbid, in other words, all non-muslims.

..To you, the word "Christians" in that verse shows they saw the truth of islam and accepted it wholeheartedly.

You must be reasoning up-side-down.

So they were still called Christians after they have converted to islam.

You must actually be smoking weeds. [c000]See the kind of lies you are telling…

hahahahahahahaha LWTMB. I don't smoke weed, old man. I'm very sure that you must have smoke a lot of weed during your youthful days hence the reason why your brain is now deteriorating.. ( no offence) LMAO..

The writer of the link is liar like yourself. Those people in verse 83 you referred to are not Christians. Anyone who is sober for islam is no more a Christians.

If the case is truly as you want us to believe, why would the quran say muslims should not take Christians for friends, I mean if they have decided to leave Christianity for islam?

My friend, go and rest your brain, you must either have taken weeds or overworked your brain.

I don't need to try harder, the SUBSTITUTIONS, already highlighted still stand very STRONG.

truthman2012:
Can you eat non-halal
meat? YES. But later abrogated and substituted with NO. (Quran 5:5 versus 6:118).

Surah 5, Verse 4-5:
They ask you as to what is allowed to them. Say: The good things are allowed to you, and what you have taught the beasts and birds of prey, training them to hunt-- you teach them of what Allah has taught you-- so eat of that which they catch for you and mention the name of Allah over it; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is swift in reckoning.This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women...."

Surah 6, Verse 118:
Therefore eat of that on which Allah's name has been mentioned if you are believers in His communications.

So, what is the abrogation here shameless old liar

Should muslims marry non-muslims? 'NO' and later substituted with 'YES' (Quran 2:221 vs 5:5).

Surah 2, Verse 221:
And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.

Surah 5, Verse 5:
This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.


So I ask, are Idolateress and the People of the book the same? Where is the abrogation here old shameless liar

For whom is salvation? For JEWS, CHRISTIANS, SEABIANS. But later substituted with 'ONLY MUSLIMS (Quran 5:69 vs 3:85).

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 69:
Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good-- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve..

What you failed to understand here is that, this verse was not refering to todays jews and christians rather to the Jews and Christians of the time of Moses and Jesus respectively. You can come up to say this is a lie, but I don't care if your brain is unable to see this, but let me put the verse in its rightful context for the truthful people reading this. The proceeding verse of Surah 5:69;

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 70-71:
Certainly We made a covenant with the children of Israel and We sent to them apostles; whenever there came to them an apostle with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) did they call liars and some they slew. And they thought that there would be no affliction, so they became blind and deaf; then Allah turned to them mercifully, but many of them became blind and deaf; and Allah is well seeing what they do.

^^The context has made us understand that the verse you pointed to to buttress your delusion was actually talking about past event of how the children of Israel went astray. But Quran
in 5:69 makes us understand that not all of them went astray the bolded part of verse 71 hints about it too, and Indeed they shall be rewarded duly from their LORD.

Surah 3, Verse 85:
And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.

To further buttress my point; Islam is not just a muslim thing. It means "voluntary submission to God" . Therefore, those who submitted to God through the message of Moses and Jesus as at their time practised ISLAM. Abraham who was called Muslim (see 2:128, 2:131, 2:133) not because he practised the Islam we are practising today but because he submitted to the will of God as at that time.

So, where is the abrogation here shameless old liar

Will Allah reward the good
deeds of non-Muslims? YES. Later substituted with NO (Quran 2:62 vs 9:17).

The explanation here is exactly the as the one I just did up here. Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 62:
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

The context was talking about the Israelite. I don't think I need to makes more explanation on this, refer back to the one I made up here.

Meanwhile,,Quran 9:17 was even refering to the idolaters as I have made you understand the historical background of Quran 9 that the Idolaters broke the treaty of peace they signed with Muslims and also sought to kill the prophet.

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 17:
The idolaters have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness to unbelief against themselves, these it is whose doings are null, and in the fire shall they abide.

So where is the abrogation here shameless old man

How should muslims treat those who do
not believe in an afterlife?
BE KIND TO THEM. But later substituted with ATTACK THEM (Quran 45:14 vs 9:29).

How should muslims treat infidel family? STAY WITH THEM. Later abrogated and substituted with DON'T STAY WITH THEM (Quran 31:15 vs 9:23).

Should Muslims have
Christians for friends? YES. But later replaced with NO (Quran 5:82 vs 5:51).

ARE the SUBSTITUTIONS not clear enough?

How can you guys refute them?

Did you see all these in the links you cleverly wanted to use for cover-up?

truthman2012:
Trash!

I don't need to reply as it would mean repeating myself.

The link you gave is a distraction. It is not what is said there but what we have seen here with our own eyes: Were there SUBSTITUTIONS to allahh's revelations? YES. There are many and some of them already posted, which are not REFUTABLE.

Were islamic wars for SELF DEFENCE or REPRISALS? NO. There many proven cases of direct attack on those who did not believe in allahh. Were muslims wars against only the pagans who broke treaty? NO. Jews and Christians who were not under the treaty were also killed for not believing in allahh.

No one can refute the glaring truth without resorting to lying.

zicoraads:
Truthman2013...explanation needed for the satanic verses please..

truthman2012:
Look man, Rilwayne lied that it is the Torah and the Gospel that were substituted with the quran and I proved him wrong by citing quranic verses that show Torah and Gospel were in use at Muhammad's time.

He also claimed islamic wars were agains pagans for breaching treaty or oath and I proved him wrong by saying the innocent Jews and Christians who were not under the treaty were also killed and evident from the quran.

He said there are no substitutions in the quran and I proved him wrong by posting some of them.

Now tell me what rebuttals did he make.

truthman2012:
Hey! You once lied there are no SUBTITUTIONS ABROGATIONS in the quran, now that you have seen some of them, why are you silent? Common, speak out. Or are you searching for LIES to defend them?