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 Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 9:34am On Aug 06, 2015 |
…...my work is done here. abduljabbar4 , please pay no attention to this old jobless man. This topic has been dealt withon different occasion: https://www.nairaland.com/1368713/explanations-wanted https://www.nairaland.com/638130/abrogation-quranic-verses-greatest-lie There is no point furthering the arguement with him. Afterall @lieman2012, you were unable to address my rebuttal. No matter how much I refute your post on this thread, it won't change your mindset. So whats the point. Your lie already has been exposed. ..truthman.. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 8:54am On Aug 06, 2015 |
Jagoon:Lol.. Writing jargons again as usual? I'm not surprised. |
| Islam › Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by truthman2013: 7:49pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU:Your question has been answered, mr. man. Stop shying away from the one posed at you. Simply say you can't; if you can't answer the questions. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 7:43pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:Loool. So this is what you resort to when your thread is utterly refuted? Don't you have shame at all  You can't address my rebuttal but you can type rubbish? ..truthman . 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 6:01pm On Aug 05, 2015*. Modified: 6:25pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:Oga, your useless thread has been debunked. I am not obliged to force you to accept the truth, it is your decision to make. It is just pitiable that you have succeded in evading the salient question(s) posed at you. Perhaps it would have set you free had you attempt them. .truthman.. |
| Romance › Re: How She Brought Her Friend To Our Hotel Room And Regreted Knowing Me by truthman2013: 5:44pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Jacksparrow0712:Hahahahahahahaha  true though. ..truthman.. 2 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 4:54pm On Aug 05, 2015*. Modified: 6:26pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Jagoon: Jagoon:Truthman2012, do you agree with the above statement of your brother.? ..truthman.. |
| Islam › Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by truthman2013: 4:03pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:OLAADEGBU should simply answer these^ questions accordingly without playing games. ..truthman.n 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Deaf Muslim Healed In Jesus Name. (See video) by truthman2013: 3:50pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Who doesn't know how they do it? Of course the wise is not deluded about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kshroUx967o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq_oZf0ilSs 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 3:45pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:I already said it that you are deaf dumb and blind. I have done my best in making you understand even though I that know you would remain stiffnecked. Let me expose the lies in your self formulations:hmm..really? You lack good knowledge of the bible.Absolute bulshhit...You cant continue hiding behind this to escape the absurdities in the bible. Do you think you have knowledge? Its a capital NO. Your lie here is that the quran says allah's words and not his promise cannot change. Twistiing!!!!!!!!!!!The problem with people like you is that you think you know, when actually you know nothing.. I already told you to put the context into consideration and see if my explanation fits in or not. Surah Yunus, Verse 63: Those who believe and (constantly) guard against evil;-10:64 For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the word of Allah . That is what is the great attainment. The green parts has already butrressed my explanation. i.e. Allah promise to us here (Jannah) cannot be changed he does not change his promise or go back on his words. I have done my best explaining this to you. I can't force you to accept the truth. Based on your your wrong assertions up there, why was he (allah)]substituting]one revelation for another?..you have been told that Although the religion brought by the Messengers wa one i.e. the believe in God almighty and submission to His will. the laws of the Prophets differed from one another. "...To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way..." [Qur'an 5: 48] To move us closer to him, similar and better revelations were revealed. … You have no rebuttal on this point my friend.I already refuted it. I don't care if your brain can't decipher it. What would I have expected before? That you would agree with me? I wasnt expecting that,I already jnow you are a gainsayer. Just doing this for reasonable people that may be reading this thread. You just formulated something.I provided Ibn kathir to support my explaination and I also pointed to the context of the Quran to support my explanation. I formulated nothing. You can continue swimming in your delusion. No wonder it took you so long to speak at last.If you are jobless, I am not. If you are depending on pension, I am not, I am in my very early 20s, I still have a lot of things to do with my life. Therefore, you shouldnt expect to see me online always - replying a stiffnicked gainsayees for that matter. You can spend your entire life on nairaland. Who cares Pure lie. Where is it stated that it is the revelations before the quran, Torah and Gospel were changed or abrogated and substituted by the quran?Is the Torah attributed to Moses really written by Moses? Is the Gospel attributed to Jesus written by Jesus? Please answer these^ questions if you are truthful to yourself. This is your own idea. Show authentic proof. If the previous revelations have been abrogated and substituted by the quran, why did allah say the Gospel and Torah be used as in: How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).Do you make use of what has been abrogated or changed? Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). Do you still make use of what has been changed or abrogated? Look for another lie my friend.[color=red] We believe that the original Torah and Gospel given to Moses and Jesus respectively, peace be upon them were divinely inspired and perfect, what we have today of these Scriptures is not the same as the original revelation. Indeed when we examine the modern Torah and Gospels in detail we find that there are numerous issues in the texts. One of the names of the Qur’an is Al Furqan, meaning “the Criterion between truth and falsehood”. So the Qur’an not only confirms the Scriptures that came before it, but also corrects the mistakes that have entered them: “And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth…” [Chapter 5, verse 48] So whenever the Quran refers to it, you should know that it is refering to their original form. But you may ask why refer to a book that is not in existence. Then it would be a case of an unserious student, that disregarded the lecture he received. Then later asking question that has already been answered in the lecture given to him, even though he deliberately asked it to mock the teacher. Then the teacher would ask him to either join the new student or refer back to the lecture he received (that's if he still could remember it). You dig? Is allah all-knowing? Who gave him the better idea?There is something we call mercy. He is able to show a rejected servant mercy. Thats what the bible God can never do - he allegedly demanded his child as sacrifice. The bible did not call for religious war to convert the infidels.Then what is this?: "'Pass through the city after him, and smite; your…eye shall not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women...'" The wars were between a nation to another nation.Which nation to another nation? Was it commanded by the bible God or not? "Slay and utterly destroy after them, says the Lord, and do all that I have commanded you." Jeremiah 50:21 It is not prescribed for us to continue. But for muslims, wars are prescribed for them to convert people by force like boko haram, isil and other islamic jihadists.War is not priscribed for us to continue either. Only that you are not ready for the truth. The only stage where we are allowed to wage war is only when we are oppressed as simply stated in Surah Al-Hajj, Verse 39-40: PERMISSION [to fight] is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged and, verily, God has indeed the power to succour them -: those who have been driven from their homelands against all right for no other reason than their saying. “Our Sustainer is God!” For, if God had not enabled people to defend themselves against one another, all] monasteries and churches and synagogues and mosques - in [all of] which Gods name is abundantly extolled - would surely have been destroyed [ere now]. And God will most certainly succour him who succours His cause: for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty,... Furthermore, another verse makes us understand that we are to deal gently and kindly with those that meant no harm to us Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8: As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. I learned that the head of isil holds phd in islamic studies. He must know better than you for doing what he is doing.Do you know Bert D Erhman? He is a respected scholar of the new testament? Do you kknow more than him? [s] Lie! The religion of the universe and of every part of it is not islam. The word islam is a deceptive word designed by satan to include every believer in God. Everybody in the universe is not a muslim, hence the fighting the unbelievers by muslims.Not everybody in the world submits to God, some don't even believe God exists. Even though muslims worship satan in ignorance, there are people whose religion is Satan Worship, the satanists. Do those ones too submit to your allah? [/s]I won't bother waste my time with this. Allah lies here. Not everybody submits to him. There are people who don't believe he exists, talkless of submitting to him.Do we all submit to NATURE or not? Who originates it? Islamic war is not against pagans of Mecca alone. Both the Jews are Christians were also killed till now. Don't hide under any treaty or oath.I have already cleared the context behind the surah. You can continue Ranting. [Quran3:151] Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah (the Christians), for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers![/quote] This doesn't support your point at all, it doesn't tell us to go about killing people. The verse makes us understand that he would carry out his judgement himself. So, lemme ask you, what is you explanation to this: Deuteronomy 2:25 This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven. They will hear reports of you and will tremble and be in anguish because of you.” Cover your face with your two hands for this lie.Lool. you are the one that needs to cover your head in shame. Was Muhammad alone in the fight? What about his other soldiers?The verse again is bidden on the prophet at that specific time. I noticed that you deliberately missed some cogent questions there. I will ask again. '.....All these have absolved the Prophet and Islam from the evils and misinterpretations of any Quranic verse or hadith narration and have vindicated the Muslims of their stand. Even plainbibletruth acknowledged this fact when he said: Even some of his very close friends and associates were Jews and Christians. His main secretary was said to be a Jew. . Then the question is, why didn't he kill them, since thats what you wanted us to believe up here? [ Islam is full of lies, inconsistencies and hypocrisy.Thats because you can neither see nor ear and you are obstinate to the truth. A verse says "let there be no compulsion in religion" another says "fight the people of the book, who forbids not what allah has forbidden". This is another clear case of allah changing his words I am talking about.Thats rather as a result of your devilish interpretation of the Quran. My friend, as you can see for yourself that you have refuted nothing. You only put some lies up to erase the fact that the muslims are avoiding the questions. Questions remained unanswered yet.What would you have said? Of course you are not here to learn but to critize blindly. To the best of my knowledge your useless thread has been debunked. Now lets go back to my thread. ..truthman.. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Did Mohammed’s Stories Come From? by truthman2013: 1:55pm On Aug 05, 2015 |
Demmzy15: ...I already told you that he won't address your post. He is such a featherhead that knows nothing about the faith he profess. With his moniker, one would think that he is such a compos mentis when it comes to the bible. Alas, a featherhead. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rape And The Bible by truthman2013: 11:44am On Aug 05, 2015 |
Jagoon:So in essence, you agreed with us that the bible has shortcomings.. hmmm. very good. You are gradually coming out of your delusion. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 11:20am On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:...You don't make any iota of sense here man. I only came across this thread last night. You don't expect me to reply to it immediately when I am not ecen to explaine anything to you, when I know for sure that my explanation will definitely fall on your deaf ear. I only respond to this thread in expectation that you would come my to my thread where you ran away like a thief. I hope you would summon courage and come back. If not, why don't you just drop christianity since its lies are obvious. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 11:11am On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:Have you ever bothered to look at the inconsistency in the bible? Allah clearly stated that his words are not subject to change. [Quran 10:64 YusufAli] For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; NO CHANGE CAN THERE BE IN THE WORDS OF ALLAH. This is indeed the supreme felicity.What you refused to grasb from this beautiful verse is that - it is a promise made to the believers i.e. Nothing can change is promise for us. Ibn katheer says: "meaning, this promise doesn't change or breach or fall short.It is decreed and firm, and going to happen undoubtedly." It's evident in the Qur'an that the call of all previous Prophets and Messengers involved 3 principles that cannot be changed: 1) To know your Lord 2) The path that will lead to His mercy 3) What you will receive i.e reward, mercy, Jannah etc. Although the religion brought by the Messengers wa one i.e. the believe in God almighty and submission to His will, the laws of the Prophets differed from one another. "...To each among you, We have prescribed a law and a clear way..." [Qur'an 5: 48] The basic message and core islamic creed and fundementals remain the same. The divinely revealed books all come from one source see Qur'an 3: 1-4) and were all revealed for one purpose and with one aim. They were revealed to show the way for mankind to live on this earth, to lead them by means fo teachings, directions and guidance. But he (Allah) defied his own words by saying:…Thats according to your devilish interpretation and not the intended message. ''When We SUBSTITUTE one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not [Quran 16:101 YusufAli].… The Arabic word mentioned is ayat which means ‘signs’ or ‘verses’ and which can also mean ‘revelations’.This verse of the Qur’an can be interpreted in two different ways: a. The revelations that are abrogated are those revelations that were revealed before the Qur’an, for example the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel. Here Allah says that He does not cause the previous revelations to be forgotten but He substitutes them with something better or similar, indicating that the Torah, the Zaboor and the Injeel were substituted by the Qur’an. (16:101)- “When we replace a message with another and God knows best what He reveals, they say you have made it up. Yet most of them do not know” The people at that time accussed Muhammad of forgery having discovered the INCONSTITENCIES in theif you look at the verses before 16:101 you can see God talking about those who break the covenant with God and those who sell it for a miserable price, so it is quite clear the Quran is referring to those people who had previous revelation, thus making “they” the Jews and Christians to whom the Gospel and Torah were given...Thus we understand when God says; Quran 2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things? AnQuran16:101 that the verse was reffering to the Jews and christians distotted books. Questions: Why did allah defy his own words by changing his revelations, SUBSTITUTING one for another?Allah (swt) didn't defy his words. You are the one deluded about it. Why happened to the revelations being changed, were there mistakes?There were no mistakes, rather similar and better revelations were revealed. Since allah could not keep his own words, how can you trust his promises?You are deluded about his words. You are deaf and dumb to the truth. You can't neithet see nor hear and your mind at the same time is blind to the truth. You err, not knowing his words. …THE MUSLIMS' CALL TO WAR. It is the usual defence of the muslims that islamic wars are for SELF-DEFENCE or REPRISAL.And so, biblical call to war are for what exactly Can the same be said for the following islamic statements?YES Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seekingUNWILLINGLY.....The basic principle characterizing the universe, in other words the religion of the universe and of every part of it, is Islam; insofar as the universe is in a state of total obedience and service to the Will of God. Here people are asked if they would follow a way of life different from Islam though they are part of the universe which is characterized by submission to God (islam). This is not about war as you have want us to understand. By compulsion means the muslims have to fight the unbelievers to submit.This is your devilish interpretation and not the intended message been passed across. Then, it is untrue that every soul has submitted to allah on the earth as the quran asserts. A larger number of the world population are non-muslims. Why is he telling an obvious lie.refer back to my explanation up there. Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." This is clearly a case of first attack. Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."This has already been addressed on one of your thread. Surah 9, Verse 13: Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers. ^^ This verse makes us understand clearly the context behind this surah. i.e the pagans of mecca after breaking their oaths sought to expel the Prophet (SAw) out of mecca. So they attacked the muslims first. LETS NOW TURN TO THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT; The series of events that have been discussed in this Surah took place after the Peace Treaty of Hudaibiyah. By that time, one-third of Arabia had come under the sway of Islam which had established itself as a powerful, well organized and civilized Islamic State. This Treaty afforded further opportunities to Islam to spread its influence in the comparatively peaceful atmosphere created by it. After this Treaty, two events took place, which led to very important results: Conquest of Arabia The first was the Conquest of Arabia. The Holy Prophet was able to send missions among different clans for the propagation of Islam. The result was that during the short period of two years, it became such a great power that it made the old order of ignorance' feel helpless before it. So much so that the zealous elements from among the Quraish were so exasperated that they broke the Treaty in order to encounter Islam in a decisive combat. But the Holy Prophet took prompt action after the breach so as not to allow them any opportunity to gather enough force for this. He made a sudden invasion on Makkah in the month of Ramadan in A. H. 8 and conquered it. Though this conquest broke the backbone of the order of ignorance, it made still another attack on Islam in the battle-field of Hunain, which proved to be its death-knell. The clans of Hawazin Thaqif, Naur, Jushm and others gathered their entire forces in the battle field in order to crush the reformative Revolution, but they utterly failed in their evil designs. The defeat of 'ignorance' at Hunain paved the way for making the whole of Arabia the 'Abode of Islam' (Dar-ul-Islam ). The result was that hardly a year had Passed after the Battle of Hunain, when the major portion of Arabia came within the fold of Islam and only a few upholders of the old order remained scattered over some corners of the country. The second event that contributed towards making Islam a formidable power was the Campaign of Tabuk, which was necessitated by the provocative activities of the Christians living within or near the boundaries of the Roman Empire to the north of Arabia. Accordingly, the Holy Prophet, with an army of thirty thousand marched boldly towards the Roman Empire but the Romans evaded the encounter. The result was that the power of the Holy Prophet and Islam increased manifold and deputations from all corners of Arabia began to wait upon him on his return from Tabuk in order to offer their allegiance to Islam and obedience to him. The Holy Quran has described this triumph in Surah An-Nasr: "When the succor of Allah came and victory was attained and you saw people entering the fold of Islam in large numbers... Campaign to Tabuk The Campaign to Tabuk was the result of conflict with the Roman Empire, that had started even before the conquest of Makkah. One of the missions sent after the Treaty of Hudaibiyah to different parts of Arabia visited the clans which lived in the northern areas adjacent to Syria. The majority of these people were Christians, who were under the influence of the Roman Empire. Contrary to all the principles of the commonly accepted international law, they killed fifteen members of the delegation near a place known as Zat-u-Talah (or Zat-i- Itlah). Only Ka'ab bin Umair Ghifari, the head of the delegation, succeeded in escaping and reporting the sad incident. Besides this, Shurahbll bin Amr, the Christian governor of Busra, who was directly under the Roman Caesar, had also put to death Haritli bin Umair, the ambassador of the Holy Prophet, who had been sent to him on a similar minion. These events convinced the Holy Prophet that a strong action should be taken in order to make the territory adjacent to the Roman Empire safe and secure for the Muslims. Accordingly, in the month of Jamadi-ul-Ula A. H. 8, he sent an army of three thousand towards the Syrian border. When this army reached near Ma'an, the Muslims learned that Shurahbil was marching with an army of one hundred thousand to fight-with them and that the Caesar, who himself was at Hims, had sent another army consisting of one hundred thousand soldiers under his brother Theodore. But in spite of such fearful news, the brave small band of the Muslims marched on fearlessly and encountered the big army of Shurahbil at M'utah. And the result of the encounter in which the Muslims were fighting against fearful odds (the ratio of the two armies was 1:33), as very favorable, for the enemy utterly failed to defeat them. This proved very helpful for the propagation of Islam. As a result, those Arabs who were living in a state of semi independence in Syria and near Syria and the clans of Najd near Iraq, who were under the influence of the Iranian Empire, turned towards Islam and embraced it in thousands. For example, the people of Bani Sulaim (whose chief was Abbas bin Mirdas Sulaimi), Ashja'a, Ghatafan, Zubyan, Fazarah, etc., came into the fold of Islam at the same time. Above all, Farvah bin 'Amral Juzami, who was the commander of the Arab armies of the Roman Empire, embraced Islam during that time, and underwent the trial of his Faith in a way that filled the whole territory with wonder. When the Caesar came to know that Farvah had embraced Islam, he ordered that he should be arrested and brought to his court. Then the Caesar said to him, "You will have to choose one of the two things. Either give up your Islam and win your liberty and your former rank, or remain a Muslim and face death." He calmly chose Islam and sacrificed his life in the way of the Truth. No wonder that such events as these made the Caesar realize the nature of the danger that was threatening his Empire from Arabia. Accordingly, in 9 A.H. he began to make military preparations to avenge the insult he had suffered at M'utah. The Ghassanid and other Arab chiefs also began to muster armies under him. When the Holy Prophet, who always kept himself well- informed even of the minutest things that could affect the Islamic Movement favorably or adversely, came to know of these preparations, he at once under- stood their meaning. Therefore, without the least hesitation he decided to fight against the great power of the Caesar. He knew that the show of the slightest weakness would result in the utter failure of the Movement which was facing three great dangers at that time. First the dying power of 'ignorance' that had almost been crushed in the battle-field of Hunain might revive again. Secondly, the Hypocrites of Al: Madinah, who were always on the look-out for such an opportunity, might make full use of this to do the greatest possible harm to it. For they had already made preparations for this and had, through a monk called Abu Amir, sent secret messages of their evil designs to the Christian king of Ghassan and the Caesar himself. Besides this, they had also built a mosque near Al-Madinah for holding secret meetings for this purpose. The third danger was of an attack by the Caesar himself, who had already defeated Iran, the other great power of that period, and filled with awe the adjacent territories. It is obvious that if all these three elements had been given an opportunity of taking a concerted action against the Muslims, Islam would have lost the fight it had almost won. That is why in this case the Holy Prophet made an open declaration for making preparations for the Campaign against the Roman Empire, which was one of the two greatest empires of the world of that period. The declaration was made though all the apparent circumstances were against such a decision: for there was famine in the country and the long awaited crops were about to ripen: the burning heat of the scorching summer season of Arabia was at, its height and there was not enough money for preparations in general, and for equipment and conveyance in particular. But in spite of these handicaps, when the Messenger of Allah realized the urgency of the occasion, he took this step which was to decide whether the Mission of the Truth was going to survive or perish. The very fact that he made an open declaration for making preparations for such a campaign to Syria against the Roman Empire showed how important it was, for this was contrary to his previous practice. Usually he took every precaution not to reveal beforehand the direction to which he was going nor the name of the enemy whom he was going to attack; nay, he did not move out of Al-Madinah even in the direction of the campaign. All the parties in Arabia fully realized the grave consequences of this critical decision. The remnants of the lovers of the old order of 'ignorance' were anxiously waiting for the result of the Campaign, for they had pinned all their hopes on the defeat of Islam by the Romans. The 'hypocrites' also considered it to be their last chance of crushing the power of Islam by internal rebellion, if the Muslims suffered a defeat in Syria. They had, therefore, made full use of the Mosque built by them for hatching plots and had employed all their devices to render the Campaign a failure. On the other side, the true Believers also realized fully that the fate of the Movement for which they had been exerting their utmost for the last 22 years was now hanging in the balance. If they showed courage on that critical occasion, the doors of the whole outer world would be thrown open for the Movement to spread. But if they showed weakness or cowardice, then all the work they had done in Arabia would -end in smoke. Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."The statements are exclusive and biding on Prophet alone for some specific time and condition, as there were some Jews and Christians and hypocrites Muslims during his lifetime which, is clearly shown in the Quran. And this was proved as the Prophet pet his uncle Abu Talib with Islam till death but to no avail!. Aside where are we to put Q2: 256 when Allah says: “ There should be no compulsion in the religion. Surely right has become distinct from the wrong…”, and “Say O you disbelivers. I worship not that which you worship, nor worship you what I worship … for you your religion, and for me my religion” Q107: 1-6 . Why did the messenger not put chain on the disbelievers of his time like Abu-Lahab to accept Islam? When Allah says: “Verily you guide not whom you like but Allah guide whom He will and He knows best those who are the guided” Q28:56. All these have absolved the Prophet and Islam from the evils and misinterpretations of any Quranic verse or hadith narration and have vindicated the Muslims of their stand. Even plainbibletruth acknowledged this fact when he said: Even some of his very close friends and associates were Jews and Christians. His main secretary was said to be a Jew. . Then the question is, why didn't he kill them, since thats what you wanted us to believe up here ...truthman.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 9:05am On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:Lol...so you expect me to sleep on your useless thread since I don't have something worthwile to do with my life? Old man, if you are too old to do something worthwile in real life, I am not. Don't trouble youself searching the internet. I have done the searching looking for muslims' defence, it is not available.Hehehe Really? ..truthman.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 8:46am On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:I will certainly reply the OP even though its going to be a futile mission because I know for sure that you will never accept the glaring truth for what it no matter how many times authoritative backings is provided for it. In your refuted thread, I made about 3 or 4 posts with clear evidences.I urge you to come back and show me these rebuttals of yours. Let us know how you refuted the thread. But what have you said on this particular OP?A lot. Just be patient. [/colorl Waiting for me to accept your devilish interpretations of the Bible[color=red] hahahahahahahaha this got me really laughing out loud. So my interpretation of the bible is devilish while your interpretation of the Quran is impeccable as displayed in the OP? You are such a joke old man. Just hear yourself, does that make any iota of sense?? I don't understand your bible, but you understood the Quran clearly, isn't that your point? Ridiculous. as a condition for your comment on this thread is not a clever way of running away from trouble spot.You ran away from 2 of my threads now. What do you have to say about that? And here I am standing gidigba on your threads packing an astounding rebuttals to your useless thread. I am so sure you have nothing, I mean nothing to defend allah's manipulative statements stated in the OP. I challenge you.So in essence, you have can't defend christianity in my threads hence the reason why you gasping for breath here? ..truthman.. |
| Islam › Re: If The Qur'an Is True, Then Islam Is False by truthman2013: 6:41am On Aug 05, 2015 |
abduljabbar4:Dr Zakir Naik .. truthman.. |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 6:26am On Aug 05, 2015 |
truthman2012:...absolute BS. You haven't debunke anything. You actually ran away with tails between your legs. Why don't you drop christianity since you can't defend it…  If you have anything to say on this OP, don't bring in your own idea or any islamic clergy's without authoritative backing as you used to do.What authoritative backing are you talking are you talking about? do you ever believe in any? Most of your silly threads have been refuted with these authority backing times without numbers, do you ever succumb to the truth? did it stop you from bringing them up again as usual? Your head is impervous to correction. I promise to remind you of your promise to reply in case you want to run away for want of evidence...run away from who? oga, let finish our biz. ..truthman.. |
| Islam › Re: Questions Muslims Have Been Avoiding by truthman2013: 10:25pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
truthman2012:No one is avoiding you question. I will certainly reply them accordingly. But before then, lets finish our business here https://www.nairaland.com/2486885/god-never/1 ..truthman.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 10:21pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Jagoon:Speak for yourself, man. Don't hide behind him. ..truthman.. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Did Mohammed’s Stories Come From? by truthman2013: 10:16pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
Demmzy15:...I already told you that he won't address your post. He is such a featherhead that knows nothing about the faith he profess. With his moniker, one would think that he is such a compos mentis when it comes to the bible. Alas, a featherhead. I'll surely bring up my arguement whenever he is done playing hide and seek. ..truthman.. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: For Muslims Please Answer Me by truthman2013: 10:07pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
truthman2012:Hello lieman2012 Your bible interpretation is terrible o!…really? ''Thou shall not kill'' is one of the ten commandments. It is a law operating within the community of Israel. It did apply to war situation between two nations.Which means bible believers have the right to kill anyone that is not a believer? ..truthman.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Did Mohammed’s Stories Come From? by truthman2013: 7:40am On Aug 02, 2015 |
parisbookaddict:BS debunked https://www.nairaland.com/2314493/why-muslims-not-afraid-death 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Did Mohammed’s Stories Come From? by truthman2013: 7:34am On Aug 02, 2015 |
O my dear brother demmzy15. How I wish to like each of your post 50 times. Really learnt a lot from your rebuttals. Jaz'K. Even some of his very close friends and associates were Jews and Christians. His main secretary was said to be a Jew.I love the above quote BTW. It will serve as reference. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 7:23am On Aug 02, 2015 |
jcross19:You are expected to counter my post by telling me that those 2 links I provided ( both jew and christian) are saying rubbish. So in essence, are you trying to say that people who call prophesy are the only one called prophet? Please provide your explanation for this. Even daniel bible don't recognised him as a prophet....yes. Daniel according to the jew was not a prophet because he did not speak to the people. ..truthman.. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: For Muslims Please Answer Me by truthman2013: 7:15am On Aug 02, 2015 |
truthman2012:Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.….. .....Number 31:17 "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." ..truthman.. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 7:01am On Aug 02, 2015 |
truthman2012:This is another descriptive verse of the Quran. You can't just snip out verse without understand its context. The intolerance and persecution of the Pagan clique at Mecca caused untold hardships to the holy Messenger of Islam and his early disciples. They bore all with meekness and long-suffering patience until the holy one permitted them to take up arms in self-defence… Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall WeI cant just continue repeating myself. All these are descriptive war. I can as well snip out verses of the bible. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 6:46am On Aug 02, 2015 |
truthman2012:What led to the war? Was it commanded by yhwh or not? Was it a religious war or not? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The God That Never Was * by truthman2013(op): 6:44am On Aug 02, 2015*. Modified: 7:03am On Aug 02, 2015 |
lexiconkabir:trust me, truthman2012 won't be coming back to this thread. And if he actually did, he will certainly evade all questions directed to him. ..truthman.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 6:40am On Aug 02, 2015 |
Jagoon: jcross19: truthman2012..I think you guys needs to start using your brain for what it is mean for. First lets check the meaning of prophet according to the dictionary: prophet /ˈprɒfɪt/ noun 1. a person regarded as an inspired teacher or proclaimer of the will of God. Is joshua under this^ category or not?? Secondly, Judaism considered him to be a prophet according to the definition of prophet on this jewish site: " A prophet is basically a spokesman for G-d , a person chosen by G-d to speak to people on G-d's behalf and convey a message or teaching. Prophets were role models of holiness, scholarship and closeness to G-d. They set the standards for the entire community. He was, thus, listed among the biblical prophet. http://www.jewfaq.org/m/prophet.htm Also, according to this christian website: "In a general sense, a prophet is a person who speaks God’s truth to others." Joshua is considered a prophet as well " Joshua and many of the judges served as prophets, with the last judge, Samuel, hearing the voice of God as a young boy (1 Samuel 3:4 ). Even David is a prophet " He would later anoint David, who served as both king and prophet in Israel. http://www.gotquestions.org/prophet-Bible.html So, I will now direct the question back to you too. What is/arw you objections to the two explanations above? Who is a prophet according to your own teaching? ..truthman.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: For Muslims Please Answer Me by truthman2013: 11:42am On Aug 01, 2015 |
Scholar8200:..yeah, I believe they are extremists too. The Qur'an prescribes restraint, and distancing from the blasphemous persons or situations. The emphasis is on restraint and forgiveness. A study of the following verses should bear this out: Qur'an 4:140 ".... When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme. " Qur'an 7:199 " Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant. " Qur'an 25:63 " And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'" ..truthman.. 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was The Most Violent Prophet In History? by truthman2013(op): 11:20am On Aug 01, 2015 |
Jagoon:Ex. 17:9 - 14, 24:13, 32:17 - 18, 33:11; Num. 11:28 - 29, 13:4 - 14:38; 27:18 - 27:23, Deut. 1:38, 3:28, 31:3, 31:7 -Joshua 24:29. Will you now answer my question ..truthman.. 2 Likes |
