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Quran 8:59-60 – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.” The above passage, is a historical verse which gave Muslims permission to fight the enemy, which was hostile to the Muslim community. Their goal was to exterminate, kill all Muslims. All one needs to do is read the verse that proceeds. The next verse (Quran 8:61), Allah orders Muslims that if the enemy were to ‘incline to peace’, then Muslims have incline to peace as-well. But, if the enemy does not want peace, then Allah gives Muslims to engage the enemy until there is no more persecution against Muslims. Let’s Read 8:61, 8:61 And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. Commentary on 8:61 Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi “45 That is, Your relations with other nations should be based on your trust in God for `He is sufficient for you’. Therefore you should boldly face the enemy both in war and in peace. When the enemy desires to have a talk with you for peace, you should be willing and ready to negotiate with the other party without any hesitation. Do not reject the offer on the pica that the other party is not sincere and has treacherous intentions. for no one can have correct knowledge of the intentions of others: If the other party is sincere in its offer, then it will be wrong to reject it and continue the bloodshed. And if the enemy has treacherous intentions, then Allah will protect you from them because of your courage and moral superiority. In that case, fight bravely with the treacherous enemy so as to teach them such a lesson as may prove a deterrent.” [1] Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs “(And if they incline to peace) if the Banu Qurayzah incline to and desire peace, (incline you also to it) and desire it, (and trust in Allah) in relation to their breaking or honouring of treaties. (Lo! He is the Hearer) of what they say, (the Knower) of their breaking and honouring of treaties.” [2] Tafsir Ibn Kathir “The Command to Facilitate Peace when the Enemy seeks a Peaceful Resolution Allah says, if you fear betrayal from a clan of people, then sever the peace treaty with them, so that you both are on equal terms. If they continue being hostile and opposing you, then fight them, (But if they incline), and seek, (to peace), if they resort to reconciliation, and seek a treaty of non-hostility, (you also incline to it), and accept offers of peace from them. This is why when the pagans inclined to peace in the year of Hudaybiyah and sought cessation of hostilities for nine years,between them and the Messenger of Allah he accepted this from them, as well as, accepting other terms of peace they brought forth. `Abdullah bin Al-Imam Ahmad recorded that `Ali bin Abi Talib said that the Messenger of Allah said, (There will be disputes after me, so if you have a way to end them in peace, then do so.) Allah said next, (and trust in Allah. ) Allah says, conduct a peace treaty with those who incline to peace, and trust in Allah. Verily, Allah will suffice for you and aid you even if they resort to peace as a trick, so that they gather and reorganize their forces…” [3] Muhammad Asad “67 The implication is that ‘even if they offer peace only with a view to deceiving thee, this [offer of] peace must be accepted, since all judgement [of their intentions] must be based on outward evidence alone’ (Razi): in other words, mere suspicion cannot be rejecting an offer of peace.” [4] Malik Ghulam Farid “1140. The verse, besides embodying an important principle about making peace-treaties, throws interesting light on the character of the wars undertaken by Islam. Muslims did not resort to war to force men to embrace Islam but to establish and maintain peace. If any people after having made war upon Muslims sued for peace the latter were enjoined not to reject the offer, even if the enemy might be suing for peace only to deceive them and gain time. This shows to what lengths Islam goes to establish peace among nations.” [5] References: [1] Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/8/index.html#sdfootnote45sym [2] Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs – http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=8&tAyahNo=61&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 [3] Tafsir Ibn Kathir http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1381&Itemid=63 [4] The Message of The Quran Translated And explained by Muhammad Asad [5] The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text With English Translation & Short Commentary By Malik Ghulam Farid page 371 – 372 source truthman. |
Quran 8:39 – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna and religion should be only for Allah” Let’s read a better translation for Q. 8:39, Pickthall Quran 8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more , and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do. The ‘fitna’ mentioned in the above verse (Q 8:39) means persecution, oppression, as shown by Pickthall’s Quran translation. When the verse says, “And fight with them until there is no more fitna”, it gives Muslims permission to fight until there is no more persecution (fitna). Critics elude to this passage claiming that the Arabic word ‘fitna’ used here does not really mean ‘persecution’ or ‘oppression’, according to these self-made scholars who have no formal education on Islam, to them the word ‘fitna’ means ‘unbelief’. When it is used in that sense, they’re trying to portray the verse to non-Muslims who don’t know the Arabic language that the passage sanctions Muslims to fight non-believers on account of them of being non-Muslim. However, when we consult Arabic-English dictionaries critics’ deception is exposed. In the following article which can be seen here , I have provided many Muslim and non-Muslim scholarly evidences that the Arabic word ‘fitna’ means,‘persecution’, ‘oppression’. Non-Muslim Quran Translations for 8:39 Arthur John Arberry Quran 8:39 Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely; then if they give over, surely God sees the things they do; George Sale Quran 8:39 And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly to God. But if they desist, then surely God is Watchful of what they do. Commentary Muhammad Asad “39 I.e., until man is free to worship God. Cf. the identical phrase in 2:193, and the corresponding note. Both these passages stress self-defence – in the widest sense of this word – as the only justification of war.” [1] The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text With English Translation & Short Commentary – Malik Ghulam Farid “1120. Muslims were enjoined to fight till religious persecution had ceased and men were free to practice the religion of their choice. Islam undoubtedly is the greatest upholder of freedom of conscience (2:194).” [2] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction – Maulana Muhammad Ali “39a That is, desist from fighting and put an end to their mischief, God’s decree of punishment will not be executed. God sees what men do, and if they mend their ways, He will not punish them. The state of religious liberty which Islam aimed at is put tersely in the two opening statements – ‘there is no more persecution and all religions are for Allah’. 40a. If they return to fight, then Allah will protect the Muslim community, helping them against their enemy, as He is their Patron and Helper.” [3] References: [1] The Message of The Quran Translated And explained by Muhammad Asad [2] The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text With English Translation & Short Commentary By Malik Ghulam Farid page 366 [3] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction [Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali Page 385 source truthman |
Quran 8:12 – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them ” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. The historical context for the above passages (Quran 8:12 and 8:15) is that it was revealed at the battle of Badr. A battle in which the disbelievers (Pagans) of Makkah travelled 100s of miles to kill Muslims in Madinah. The pagans had 1000 soldiers ,while the Muslims all they could gather to fight back in defence, they had only 300 soldiers. Even though Prophet Muhammad (p) had left Makkah to find peace for its community without being persecuted, oppressed, they once again were trying to terrorize the Muslim community. Let’s read from Q. 8:9 to 8:19, 8:9 [Remember] when you asked help of your Lord,and He answered you, “Indeed, I will reinforce you with a thousand from the angels, following one another.” 8:10 And Allah made it not but good tidings and so that your hearts would be assured thereby. And victory is not but from Allah . Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise. 8:11 [Remember] when He overwhelmed you with drowsiness [giving] security from Him and sent down upon you from the sky, rain by which to purify you and remove from you the evil [suggestions] of Satan and to make steadfast your hearts and plant firmly thereby your feet. 8:12 [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.” 8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger – indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. 8:14 “That [is yours], so taste it.” And indeed for the disbelievers is the punishment of the Fire. 8:15 O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight]. 8:16 And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell – and wretched is the destination. 8:17 And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, [O Muhammad], when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 8:18 That [is so], and [also] that Allah will weaken the plot of the disbelievers. 8:19 If you [disbelievers] seek the victory – the defeat has come to you. And if you desist [from hostilities], it is best for you; but if you return [to war], We will return, and never will you be availed by your [large] company at all , even if it should increase; and [that is] because Allah is with the believers. When we read the verses before and after, we get a clear picture that this was a battle. The killing that is mentioned in Q. 8:12 is on the battlefield, which took place 1400 years ago. When we read Q. 8:17 it says, that it was not Muhammed (or the companions) who killed the enemy, but it was Him (God) who had done so. Furthermore, Q 8:19 offers peace to the enemy, if the enemy desist from hostilities against Muslims, 8:19 If you [disbelievers] seek the victory – the defeat has come to you. And if you desist [from hostilities], it is best for you; but if you return [to war], We will return, and never will you be availed by your [large] company at all, even if it should increase; and [that is] because Allah is with the believers. When we get to read the verses in its context, does it promote killing of innocents? The answer is NO! Even when Muslims were being persecuted by the mighty army of Quraish, God Almighty encouraged Muslims to offer peace if they, the enemy stopped hostilities against them (Muslims). Commentary The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction – Maulana Muhammad Ali “19a It is related that when the Quraish left Makkah to attack the Muslims, they held on to their curtains of the Ka’bah and prayed thus; ‘O Allah, assist the best of the two forces and the most rightly directed of the two parties and the most honoured of the two groups and the most excellent of the two religions’. Others say that Abu Jahl prayed in the field of battle,saying: ‘O Allah, whoever of us is the greater cutter of the ties of relationship and more wicked, destroy him tomorrow morning’ (Rz).” [1] Reference: [1] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction[Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali page 381 source truthman. [/color] |
Quran 5:33- “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this , that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement” How does the above verse encourage killing of innocents? Let’s Read the passage again, “the punishment of those who WAGE WAR AGAINST ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER AND STRIVE TO MAKE MISCHIEF IN THE LAND IS ONLY THIS.” Although the punishment described in the verse might sound harsh to some, but the passage is only to those who spread mischief and were (are) at war with Allah and His Messenger. Below are detailed commentary on this verse, by various scholars. Commentary Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an 55 Here “the land” refers to that country or territory in which the maintenance of law and order is the responsibility of the Islamic State and “to wage war against Allah and His Messenger” is to wage war against the righteous system of government established by the Islamic State. As Allah likes that such a system of government should be established, He sent His Messenger to establish an equitable system of government, which should guarantee peace and justice to human beings, animals, trees, vegetation and everything in the earth, which may enable human beings to develop to -the fullest their natural capabilities; which should exploit natural resources of the earth for the true progress and improvement of humanity and not for its destruction. It is obvious that any attempt, big or small, to undermine or overthrow such an established system, is in reality a war against Allah and His Messenger. It does not make any difference whether that mischief is created by criminals and murderers who cause disorder in the settled and peaceful society, or by armed forces who attempt to overthrow the Islamic State and establish some corrupt un-lslamic system instead. And every sovereign treats such a violation directed against his authority or against any of his officials as war against himself. [1] Muhammad Asad 43 The term ‘apostle is evidently genric in this context. By ‘making war on God and His apostle’ is meant ahostile? opposition to, and wilful disregard of, the ethical precpts ordained by God and explained by all His apostles, combined with the conscious endeavour to destroy or undermine other people’s belief in God as well. 44 In classical Arabic idiom, the ‘cutting off of one’s hands and feet’ is often synonymous with ‘destroying one’s power’, and it is possibly in this sense that the expression has been used here. Alternatively, it might denote ‘being mutilated’, both physically and metaphorically – similar to the (metonymical) use of the expression ‘being crucified’ in the sense of ‘being tortured’. The phrase min khilaf – usually rendered as ‘from opposite sides’ – is derived from the verb khalafahu, ‘he disagreed with him’, or ‘opposed him’ or ‘acted contrarily to him’: consequently, the primary meaning of min khilaf is ‘in result of contrariness’ or ‘of perverseness’. [2] Malik Ghulam Farid 741. Islam does not hesitate to take extreme measures when the interests of the State or society at large so demand to uproot a dangerous evil. It refuses to pander to the false sentiments of emotional visionaries but follows the dictates of reason and sound judgement while prescribing punishment for public offences. The punishment prescribed here is of four categories, the form of the punishment to be inflicted in a particular case would depend upon the attending circumstances. Awarding or imposition of punishment is the concern of Government and not that of any individual. The words ‘expelled from the land’ according to Imam Abu Hanifah signify imprisonment. [3] Maulana Muhammad Ali 33a. The words used here imply originally all those opponents Islam who waged war on the Muslims and made mischief in the land by causing loss to the life and property of innocent Muslims who fell into their hands. But it has generally been accepted as including all dacoits and murderers who cause disorder in a settled state of society. In fact, when war came to an end in Arabia and the Kingdom of Islam was established over the whole peninsula, the enemies of Islam, being unable to oppose its authority openly, resorted to dacoity and murder to disturb the peace which was now established in the land. Hence, though it is such enemies that are primarily spoken of here, the words are general and include all cases of murder and dacoity. The punishment described is of four kinds, which clearly shows that the punishment to be inflicted in any particular case would depend upon the circumstances of the case, as well as the time and place where the crime was committed. For instance, if murder has been committed in the course of dacoity, the punishment would include the execution of the culprit, which may take the form of crucifixion of the offence is so heinous or the culprit has caused such terror in the land that the leaving of his body on the cross is necessary as a deterrent. In other cases, the punishment may be imprisonment, where the severer punishment of cutting off of hands is deemed unnecessary. The judge would take all the circumstances into consideration and inflict such punishment as he thought necessary. A particular case dealt with under this verse was that of a tribe called ‘Urainah. Some men of this tribe came to the Prophet, and accepted Islam. They fell ill and were sent by the Prophet to a place at a little distance from Madinah for change of climate. But when they regained health, they killed the very people who had served them and went off with their camels. Then they committed dacoities and violated the chastity of women and they.were severely punished… [4] [/i] References: [1] Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an – http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/5/index.html#sdfootnote54sym [2] The Message of The Quran translated and explained by Muhammad Asad [3] The Holy Qur’an Arabic Text With English Translation & Short Commentary By Malik Ghulam Farid Page 244 [4] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction[Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali page 257 source truthman. |
“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward” – Quran 4:95 The above Quranic verse urges (sanctions) Muslims to ‘fight in the cause of God’. Fighting in the cause of God, does not mean killing of civilians. Muslims are told in the passage to fight oppression, practiced against them or against others (i.e., non-Muslims). The objective of Jihad (‘Fighting in the cause of God’) is to protect religious freedom for all. The following Quranic passage proves what the meaning for ‘fight in the cause of God’ means, And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men,women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?” – Quran 4:75 The above verse makes it evident that fighting in the cause of God is to free people from oppression, persecution from tyrants. Quranic verse 4:95, Allah says, how can those who fight and those who do nothing be the same level (in reward) in the sight of Him? Of course they’re not equal! Those who fought and helped the oppressed will get reward from their Lord. Witnesses to Faith? – Martyrdom in Christianity and Islam Brian Wicker “The prophet is instructed only to ‘urge on the believers’ (4:64). The Qur’an – and the Hadith at greater length – urge the Muslim fighters (those who are defending themselves or the oppressed) in the strongest way, by showing the just cause, showing the bad conduct of the enemy and promising great rewards in the afterlife for those who make such sacrifices. The exhortations in the Qur’an to Muslims to fight ‘in the cause of God’ (for example, 4:95) also bear witness that not everyone actually did so. Even when some Muslims ‘turned back’ at the Battle of Uhud, in a premature bid to take booty, so causing the Muslims to lose the battle, the Qur’an endorses the ‘lenient’ attitude of the Prophet (pbuh) towards them (3:159).” [1] Dr. Ingrid Mattson It is in this context that the Qur’an asserts the superiority of those who are willing to sacrifice for the good of the community by offering themselves for military service (the Mujahid/Mujahidun): That the Medinan revelations pay significant attention to situations of conflict is not surprising, given that the Muslim community was engaged in numerous battles during this period. Military force was used to secure the Medinan City-State, to protect its citizens and allies, to ensure the viability of trade, to recover property unjustly confiscated from the Muhajirun, and finally, to overthrow the Meccan regime. In the Battles of Badr, Uhud, Khandaq, and in other smaller skirmishes, many Muslims (and some of their non-Muslim allies) lost their lives. The Qur’an reassures the community that such sacrifice, when made for just cause, is one of the highest forms of witnessing to one’s belief’s. Although he or she has lost his or her life, the believer who dies fighting for righteous cause gains eternal life in the presence of God… [2] References: [1] Witnesses to Faith? – Martyrdom in Christianity and Islam Brian Wicker page 158 [2] The Story of the Qur’an: Its History and Place in Muslim Life By Ingrid Mattson source truthman.. |
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper. – Quran 4:89 The above verse is used and manipulated by critics to show that Muslims are allowed to wage war against disbelievers. However, reading the verse that proceeds after, verse 4:90, states the following, 4:90 Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them. It is evident reading the verse in its contextual context that the passage does not encourage indiscriminate violence against disbelievers, just because of their faith. Verse 4:90 tells Muslims that if the disbelievers moved away and ceased hostilities against the Muslims, that they, the disbelievers be left alone. Commentary The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction – Maulana Muhammad Ali 88a. Clearly those waverers are implied here who went back to disbelief after they accepted Islåm, and thus again joined the disbelievers. As to their identity, there are six different conjectures, and I need not puzzle the reader with these. 90a. This verse explains the previous one, showing clearly that even waverers were not to be killed or fought against if they refrained from fighting, though they may have gone over to disbelief after accepting Islåm. The commentators agree that the persons referred to in this verse were disbelievers and not Muslims, and they are generally supposed to have been the Banß Mudlaj (Bd). Note also that we have here the clear injunction that if any people offered peace, they were not to be fought against. [1] Reference: [1] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction [Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali page 221 – 222 source .truthman. |
“Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” – Quran 4:74 And “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…” – Quran 4:76 Deceptive critics of Islam quote first part of Q 4:74 and beginning of Q 4:76-77, and show people who have no knowledge about Islam, that Muslims are encouraged in the Quran to wage violence against unbelievers. However, when we read the passage in its context, it exposes Islamophobe lies. Let’s read the passage in textual context, 4:74 So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory – We will bestow upon him a great reward. 4:75 And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of God and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?” 4:76 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak. 4:77 Have you not seen those who were told, “Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah”? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear God or with [even] greater fear. They said, “Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time.” Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears God. And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed].” As context of the verses show, verse 75 tells us, “And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, “Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper”, this tells Muslims to fight to defend innocent civilians. What is wrong with defending civilians? As shown, when the verses are examined carefully in context, critics deceit is clearly exposed. Tafsir al-Jalalayn commentary “What is wrong with you, that you do not fight: this is an interrogative of rebuke, in other words, there is nothing to prevent you from fighting, in the way of God, and for, the deliverance of, the oppressed men, women, and children, whom the disbelievers persecuted and prevented from emigrating. Ibn ‘Abbās, may God be pleased with him and his father, said, ‘My mother and I were among them’; who say, supplicating, ‘O, our Lord, bring us forth from this town, Mecca, whose people are evildoers, through unbelief, and appoint for us a protector from You, to take charge of our affair, and appoint for us from You a helper’, to defend us against them. God responded to their supplication and facilitated escape for some of them, while others remained behind until Mecca was conquered — in charge of them the Prophet (s) placed ‘Attāb b. Asīd, who proceeded to seek justice for the wronged from those that had wronged them.” [1] ‘The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction’ – Maulana Muhammad Ali “This verse explains what is meant by fighting in the way of Allåh. While most of the believers who had the means had escaped from Makkah, which is here spoken of as the city whose people are oppressors, there remained those who were weak and unable to undertake a journey. These were still persecuted and oppressed by the Makkans, as is clearly shown by the words of the verse, and not only men, but even women and young children, were persecuted. Fighting to deliver them from the persecution of the oppressors was really fighting in the way of Allåh. The next verse shows that these very oppressors are spoken of as fighting in the way of the devil.” [2] ‘Quran Translation and Commentary’ – Maulana Mufti Mohammad Shafi “Answering the call of the oppressed Left behind in Makkah were Muslims who were unable to migrate because of physical weakness and insufficiency of resources. Later on, the disbelievers themselves stopped them from going and started hurting and harassing them in all sots of ways so that they turn away from their faith in Islam. The names of these are preserved in exegetic works, for example,Sayyidna Ibn Abbas and his mother, Sulyma Ibn Hisham, Walid Ibn Walid and Abu Jahal Ibn Sahl, may Allah be pleased with them all (Qurtubi). These blessed people kept facing tyranny and torture because of their unflinching faith showing no signs that they would ever surrender their firm stand on Islam. However, they did continue praying to Allah Almighty for deliverance from this hard life which was finally accepted by Him He commanded Muslims to wage Jihad against the disbelievers and rescue the oppressed from their coercion and persecution. According to this verse, Muslims had requested Allah Almighty the favour of two things – that they be rescued from that town (meaning Makkah) and that they be blessed with some supporter and helper. The fact is that Allah Almighty granted both these prayers when He provided some of them with the opportunity to move out from there which was the fulfilment of their first wish. However, some of them remained staying right there until the Conquest of Makkah. At that time, the Holy Prophet appointed Sayyidna ‘Attab Ibn Aid as their caretaker and who had the oppressed Muslims delivered from their oppressors. Thus, granted was their second wish as well. It will be noted that the Holy Qur’an, rather than give a straightforward command to fight in this verse, has elected to use the words: … (What has happened to you that you do not fight in the way of Allah?). Here the hint given is that fighting and Jihad is a natural duty under such conditions, not doing which is certainly far from a reasonable man. Praying to Allah is the panacea from all hardships The words of prayer in verse 75: … tell us that one of the reasons why the command to fight came was the prayer made by these weak Muslims men and women. Allah Almighty responded to their prayer and commanded Muslims to wage Jihad against their oppressors and which put an end to their hardships immediately.” [3] References: [1] Tafsir al-Jalalayn commentary http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=4&tAyahNo=75&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 [2] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation, Commentary and comprehensive Introduction [Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali page 217 [3] Quran Translation and Commentary by Maulana Mufti Mohammad Shafi Page 502 – 503 source. truthman |
“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. – Qur’an 3:151 Quran Commentary on 3:151 Tafsir al-Jalalayn “We will cast terror (read ru‘b or ru‘ub) into the hearts of the disbelievers: after departing from Uhud they resolved to return in order to exterminate the Muslims, but they were terrified and did not return; for what they have associated, because of their associating, with God that for which He has revealed no warrant, that is, [no] argument in support of its worship, namely, idols; their abode shall be the Fire; evil is the abode, the resting place, of the evildoers, the disbelievers.” [1] Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi “(We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve) [3:151]. Said al-Suddi: “After Uhud, Abu Sufyan and the idolaters headed toward Mecca. But after they traversed a certain distance, they felt regret, saying: ‘Evil is that which we have done! We massacred them [Muslims] such that none of them remained except those who fled from the battlefield and then we left them alone. Go back and exterminate them ’. But when they decided to do so,Allah, exalted is He, cast terror in their hearts which made them decide against what they had resolved to do. Allah, exalted is He, then revealed this verse.” [2] Quran Translation and Commentary by Maulana Mufti Mohammad Shafi “The promise of casting awe and fear into the hearts of the disbelievers in this verse was made in the background of the battle of Uhud when the disbelievers of Arabia marched back to Makkah without any obvious reason and inspite of defeat overtaking Muslim (Baydawi). However, after having covered a certain distance on their way to Makkah, they awoke to their folly. When they thought of marching back to Madinah, Allah Almighty filled their hearts with such awe and fear that they could not muster the courage to do so. The most they could do was to hire a Madinah-bound villager to go there and tell Muslims that theu were coming back. But, this whole deal came into the knowledge of the oly Prophet (p) in Madinah through revelation. He marched to Hamra al-Asad to apprehend them but they had already run away from there. This was the background in which the present verse was revealed.” [3] References: [1] Tafsir al-Jalalayn http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=3&tAyahNo=151&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 [2] Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=86&tSoraNo=3&tAyahNo=151&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2 [3] Quran Translation and Commentary by Maulana Mufti Mohammad Shafi http://islamicstudies.info/maarif.php?sura=3&verse=151 source truthman.. |
Fight in God’s Cause , and know that God hears and knows all. – Qur’an 2:244 Critics point this verse out to people who have no knowledge about Islam saying, “Look – read, Muslims are to wage war unconditionally against all unbelievers”. As usual, critics cherry picking verses out of the Quran, leaving its context out. In reality, the text says opposite of what they portray of the passage. Let’s read previous verse and the verses coming after. Quran 2:243 – 2:246 2:243 Have you not considered those who left their homes in many thousands, fearing death? God said to them, “Die”; then He restored them to life. And God is full of bounty to the people, but most of the people do not show gratitude. 2:244 And fight in the cause of God and know that God is Hearing and Knowing. 2:245 Who is it that would loan God a goodly loan so He may multiply it for him many times over? And it is God who withholds and grants abundance, and to Him you will be returned. 2:246 Have you not considered the assembly of the Children of Israel after [the time of] Moses when they said to a prophet of theirs, “Send to us a king, and we will fight in the way of God”? He said, “Would you perhaps refrain from fighting if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “And why should we not fight in the cause of God when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children?” But when fighting was prescribed for them, they turned away, except for a few of them. And God is Knowing of the wrongdoers. Verse 2:244 is telling us not to transgress limits and that Allah “hears and knows all”. Also, fight in God’s cause, means to fight oppression, as shown in verse 2:246, “And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah when we have been driven out from our homes and from our children ?” In that context, verse 2:244 encourages Muslims to fight oppression, persecution. The passage does not endorse killing of innocents. Commentary on Quran 2:243 – 246 The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction: Maulana Muhammad Ali 243a. Ul∂f is plural either of alf, meaning a thousand, or alif, a congregation or in a state of union (LL). The thousands referred to in this verse are the Israelites who left Egypt with Moses, the whole body of the Israelites being called a congregation in the Torah, and the clear mention of the Children of Israel after Moses in v. 246 corroborates this. Here we have a people who left their homes for fear of death, and besides the Israelites’ exodus from Egypt no incident in history?answers to this description. In fact, the very word kharaj∂ (they went forth) from khur∂j (meaning exodus) contains a direct hint to the exodus of the Israelites. But in one respect, the Holy Qur’an differs from the Bible. According to the latter, the number of the Israelites was over 600,000 when they left Egypt (Num. 1:46), but the Qur’ån says they were thousands, not hundreds of thousands. There is no doubt, too, that the Israelites left Egypt for fear of death, for death would surely have been their fate if they had not emigrated. Not only were orders given by Pharaoh for their male offspring to be killed, but they were also kept in a state of bondage which would soon have brought them to a state of intellectual and moral death (compare v. 49). The next incident in the history of that nation as referred to here is the Divine commandment to them, to “die”. This is more fully stated in 5:21–26. Moses told them to enter the Holy Land “which Allah has ordained for you,” but they refused and were made to wander about in the wilderness for forty years, so that that generation perished. This is also shown by their history as given in the Old Testament: “Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness … doubtless ye shall not come into the land” (Num. 14:29, 30). This was their death. After that, we are told, Allåh gave them life. This refers to the next generation, which was made to inherit the promised land: “But your little ones … they shall know the land which ye have despised” (Num. 14:31). The whole is meant as a warning for the Muslims, who are told that if they followed the footsteps of the Israelites, death must be their fate. This warning is made clear in the next verse: And fight in the way of Allåh. 244a. See 2:190; fighting in Allåh’s way is equivalent to fighting in defence of faith . Commenting on this verse, LL says: “It means, according to AIs, THE GRAMMARIAN, who is he who will offer unto God a good action or gift, or anything for which a requital may be sought; or, as Akh, one of the most famous grammarians says, who will do a good action by following and obeying the command of God ”; and he adds: “The Arabs say, qad aqra˙ta-nß qar˙-an √asan-an, which signifies thou hast done to me a good deed which I am bound to requite” (T, LL). According to Zj, qar˙ signifies anything done on which a reward may be expected (Rz). 245b. Allåh receives and amplifies means that Allåh receives the gift that is offered to Him and then amplifies it; in other words, any sacrifice made in the cause of Truth is amply rewarded by Allåh. Or, it is a general statement indicating that the tightening of the means of subsistence and their amplification are in the hands of Allåh, for yaqbi˙u also means he straitens. [1] Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an 265 From here begins a new address. In it the Muslims have been exhorted to do Jihad,” i.e., to exert their utmost in the Way of Allah and make monetary sacrifices for the cause. At the same time they have been warned to guard against those weaknesses that had led to the degeneration and downfall of the children of Israel. It will help understand this address, if we keep in mind the occasion of its revelation. At that time the Muslims, who had been expelled from Makkah a year or so earlier and were living as refugees at Madinah, were asking over and over again for permission to fight with the disbelievers who had been persecuting them relentlessly for years . But, when the permission they themselves had asked was given, some of them began to lose heart (Please refer to Al-Baqarah, II : 216). That is why two important events from the history of the Israelites are being related to serve as a fore-warning to the Muslims and to stimulate their zeal and courage. 266 This refers to the exodus of the children of lsrael (for details please see Al-Ma’idah, V: 20-26), when they had left Egypt in large numbers and were wandering homeless in the deserts and wildernesses and were very anxious to find a home for themselves. But when inspired by Allah, the Prophet Moses ordered them to fight against the Canaanites and expel them from Palestine and conquer that territory, they showed cowardice and refused to march forward. Consequently Allah left them to wander in the land for forty years so that that l generation should come to an end and a new one be brought up in the hardships of the desert. Then Allah gave them victory over the Canaanites. Probably “death and second life” refer to these two aspects of the exodus. [2] The Message of The Quran translated and explained by Muhammad Asad 233 I.e., in a just war in self-defence against oppression or unprovoked aggression (cf. 2:190-194 ). 234 I.e., by sacrificing one’s life in, or devoting it to, His cause. 235 The prophet referred to here is Samuel (cf. Old Testament, I Samuel viii ff.). 236 Obviously a reference to the many invasions of their homelands by their perennial enemies, the Philistines, Amorites, Amalekites and other Semitic and non-Semitic tribes living in and – around Palestine; and, by implication, a reminder to believers of all times that “fighting in God’s cause” (as defined in the Qur’an) is an act of faith. [3] References: [1] The Holy Quran Arabic Text with English Translation,Commentary and comprehensive Introduction [Year 2002 Edition] by Maulana Muhammad Ali page 110 –111 [2] Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi – Tafhim al-Qur’an – The Meaning of the Qur’an – http://www.englishtafsir.com/Quran/2/index.html#sdfootnote267anc [3] The Message of The Quran translated and explained by Muhammad Asad http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/private/cmje/religious_text/The_Message_of_The_Quran__by_Muhammad_Asad.pdf source truthman.. |
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2:216 Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. The above passage lays out that it’s binding on every Muslim to fight. But the fighting that is mentioned in the verse is not against innocents, but against those who oppress innocent men, women and children. As the next verse shows, 2:216 Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and God knows, while you do not know. 2:217 They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from God’s way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with God, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion , if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever– these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter… Commentary on 2:216 – 217 “A Thematic Commentary on the Qur’an” Islamic Thought – Shaykh Muhammad al-Ghazali “Our natural disposition and tendency favor peace, harmony, and stability among relatives, neighbours, and friends. However, while condoning and encouraging these tendencies, the Qur’an also says: “…Much as you dislike it, fighting has been prescribed for you. But you may despise something that is good for you, and you may love something that is bad for you. God knows, but you do not …” [2:216] . Peace is to be welcomed when rights are protected and beliefs are respected; but if peace means abject surrender and subjugation, it cannot be easily defended on moral or realistic grounds. This delicate balance is well presented in the verse: “…They ask you wether fighting is permitted during the sacred month. Say, ‘fighting in it is a grave matter’ …” [2:217], meaning it is not permitted.However, what should be done if aggression is perpetrated, terrorizing peaceful communities and jeopardizing their rights of worship and belief? Should not aggression be repelled, in order to protect one’s rights? The verse continues: “….but to deny God and debar people from His path and prevent them from worshiping in the Holy Mosque, and to drive its inhabitants away, is far more grave in the sight of God…” [2:217]. In short “…sedition (Arabic: fitnah ) is a greater threat than killing..” [2:217] and fighting or armed resistance should be permitted in “defense” of one’s integrity and beliefs. However, in circumstances in which we are faced with enemies who will not be satisfied until we forsake our religion and way of life and adopt theirs, defensive action becomes obligatory and the blame for instigating the conflict will not fall on us but on those who were the cause of it. These introductory remarks enable us to appreciate fully the meaning of the following verse: “…fight for the cause of God those who fight against you, but do not commit aggression because God does not love the aggressors…” [2:190]. This is an eternal principle, and everything else the Qur’an has to say on this subject agrees with it. [1] ‘Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia’ – Professor Alexander Mikaberidze “Wrongful expulsion of believers – Muslims and other monotheists – from their homes for no other reason than their avowal of belief in one God is one of the reasons – jus ad bellum – that justify recourse to fighting, according to these verses. Earlier revelations (Koran 42.40 – 43) had allowed only nonviolent self-defense against the wrongful conduct of the enemy. In another verse (2.191), the Koran acknowledges the enormity of fighting, and thus the potential taking of human life, but at the same asserts the higher moral imperative of maintaining order and challenging wrongdoing. Therefore, when both just cause and righteous intention exist, war in self-defense becomes obligatory.” [2] ‘Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith’ – Michael Wolfe “The only war condoned by the Qur’an, therefore, is a war of self-defense. “Warfare is an awesome evil” (2:217), but sometimes it is necessary to fight in order to bring the kind of persecution suffered by the Muslims to an end (2:217) or to preserve decent values (22:40). But Muslims may never initiate hostilities, and aggression is forbidden by God (2:190) . While the fighting continues, Muslims must dedicate themselves wholly to the war in order to bring things back to normal as quickly as possible, but the second the enemy sues for peace, hostilities must cease (2:192).” [3] References: [1] Shaykh Muhammad al-Ghazali, “A Thematic Commentary on the Qur’an” Islamic Thought, page 18 -20 [2] Conflict and Conquest in the Islamic World: A Historical Encyclopedia [Copyright 2011], by Alexander Mikaberidze, Volume 1, page 929 [3] Taking Back Islam: American Muslims Reclaim Their Faith by Michael Wolf page 28 source truthman. |
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References: [1] An Enemy We Created: The Myth of the Taliban-Al Qaeda Merger in Afghanistan By Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn page 429 [2] Messianic Beliefs and Imperial Politics in Medieval Islam: The ʻAbbāsid Caliphate in the Early Ninth Century [Copyright 2009] By Hayrettin Yücesoy page 37 – 38 [3] Muslim and Western Travelers in search of knowledge Journeys to the Other Shore [Copyright 2006] By Roxanne L.Euben page 267 [4] See Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1986), volume, page 227 – 229. [5] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage: By Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem page 693 [6] Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane (London: Willams & Norgate 1863) Book 1, page 2335 source truthman.. |
Quran 2:191 – “And kill them wherever you find them…" Critics as usual apply ‘cut and choose’ approach with regards to this passage (Quran 2:191). They only quote, “And kill them wherever you find them…(2:191). However, when we read the passage in its context (2:190-195) it says opposite what they portray of the verse. Quran 2:190 – 195 2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. 2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you , and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing . And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there . But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. 2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful. 2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. 2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, thenassault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fearHim. 2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers.of good. It’s important whenever one reads a Quranic verse, to read it in its context. As you have read, critics only quote the part which suites them, they isolate previous verses and the ones after. When the passage is examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does it sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence. Another thing critics love to do with the passage is, change the Arabic word’s meaning. Example, the Arabic word ‘Fitna’ used in 2:191 and 2:193, Islamophobes have translated the word as ‘disbelief’. So, when it’s read in that perspective, the passage is implying to fight to those who are disbelievers, just because of their religion. This again when we examine it, it will turn out to be a lie. The Arabic word ‘Fitnah’ means ‘persecution’,‘corruption’, ‘sedition’. But when the word ‘Fitnah’ is used in verse 2:191 and 2:193 it means ‘persecution’ Non-Muslim Translation Arthur John Arberry 2:191 And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying . But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers. www.nairaland.com/attachments/2765445_fitna_pngc8d366e2efd5fa0d12edcf7fb0467685 The Arabic word for disbelief is ‘kufr’. The following Definition(s) on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’. Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn, commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’, Fitna: An Arabic-language term that literally translates as ‘sedition’ or ‘temptation,’ but with various consequences also implied (e.g. disorder/chaos). It is often used as the antonym to a state of peace. As such, it takes on an Islam context with the suggestion that dissent or conflict (e.g. within the Ummah)… [1] Associate Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies Hayrettin Yücesoy writes “One of the most frequently mentioned portents of the end of time in Muslim prophecies is civil disorder, fitna. Yet contrary to what one might expect, in none of the many instances in which the term fitna (civil disorder) is mentioned in the Quran is it connected to end of time events. In the Qur’anic text, fitna refers to a sort of trial: “And know that your wealth and your children are a trial [fitna], and that with God is a mighty wage.” In other verses, the term connotes discord, controversy,and dissension: “As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension [fitna], and seeking to explain it; and none knows its meaning, save only God.” Fitna may also mean seduction: “Children of Adan! Let not satan tempt, [v. yaftatin], you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts.” On other occasions, it describes! chaos and civil disorder: “As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of another. Unless you do this, there will be strife [fitna] in the land and great corruption.” Finally it refers to plotting and acts of conspiracy: “Had they gone forth among you, they would only have increased you in trouble, and run to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up sedition [fitna] between you; and some of you would listen to them; and God knows the evildoers.” A similar meaning is given in the following verses, where conspiracy against the community and its social and religious status quo is condemned: Persecution [fitna] is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then if they fight you, slay them- such is the recompose of unbelievers.” Even the ban on fighting during the holy months is lifted in cases of the greater danger of persecution: “Fighting in it is a heinous thing, but to bar from God’s way, and disbelief in him, and the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it- that is more heinous in God’s sight; and persecution [fitna] is more heinous than slaying.” [2] Professor Roxanne L. Euben “Fitna- Civil strife, temptation, disorder, chaos, sedition dissension.” [3] Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, “Concerning the verse “If two groups of believers fall to fighting” Q. 49.9) and “fight against them until there is no ‘fitnah’” (Q.2:193), he answered: “We done all this in the time of Prophet. At that time, we came minority so that a Moslem was be faced by fitnah in his religion, either he would be killed or would be the victim of oppression. When the Moslem community grows as powerful adherents, killing oppression has gone.” Based on this argument, we can conclude that ‘fitnah’ should be defined as any oppression or forcing Moslem to do or not to do something against his rights as human being ; all this being ratio legis or cause to proclaim fight against oppressor or those who want to kill them.” [4] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage. Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem, “f-t-n to purify gold and silver by smelting them; to burn; to put to the test, to afflict (in particular as a means of testing someone’s endurance); to disrupt the peace of a community; to tempt, to seduce, to allure, to infatuate. Of this root, six forms occur 60 times in the Qur’an fatana 17 times futina six times; futun once; maftun once and fitnatun 34 times. fitnatun [n.] 1 test (8:28) your possessions and your children are only a test 2 affliction, trial (22:11) but if a trial befalls him, he reverts to his old ways [lit. falls flat on his face, turns back to front] 3 persecution (2:191) and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing 4 dissension, discord, civil unrest, infighting, mutiny (9:47) they would have scurried around in your midst, trying to sow discord among you 5 temptation, allurement (2:102) yet they [both] never taught anyone until they first said, ‘we are but a temptation-do not [fall for us and] reject the faith’ 6 treachery, defection, desertion (33:14) but if it [the city] had been entered from [all] its sides, with them in it, and they were asked to commit treachery, they would have committed it.” [5] Arabic-English Lexicon,Edward William Lane commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’, www.nairaland.com/attachments/2765450_fitna1_png74f33b7b4d5860c219f3564fe8a52e70 In conclusion, as we have examined the Arabic word ‘fitna’, and the context of passage, the verse does not promote killing of innocent people. As shown, the passage shows that Muslims were allowed to fight those who were persecuting the Muslims. In other words, the passage sanctions fighting in self-defence. |
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Scholar8200:You failed to address the point I raised. Instead, you run to Gen 6:5, when actually you failed again to address the question raised on it in my previous post. I will repeat myself again. Prior to Gen 6:5, we are told that Adam and eve were to suffer for their sin as outlined account of his sin. 1.) Adam and his wife were cast from Eden - Genesis 3:23. 2.) This deprived them of the tree of life (which deprived them of unending physical life) - Genesis 3:22. 3.) The man was cursed with having to work for food - Genesis 3:17-19. And 4.) The woman was cursed with pain in childbirth and submission to man - Genesis 3:16. Now from the judgment passed, it is observed that women are still labouring in pain during child bearing and men is still finding it tough to get their daily sustenance, but Jesus died for the sin. How come the cursed has not been lifted since he came to die for the sin and cursed was placed. If he actually died for the sin, then there should have been any problem in those areas above. Explain pls. And again, was Adam forgiven after all these punishments for his sin? Is that how man was created? The implication of Adam having descendants after his likeness explains it all!Since you deliberately failed to address my question on this in my last post, I'll repeat it aagain: Now, the preceeding verses of Gen6:5 makes us understand that the Sons of Gods saw and married some daughters of man; then the following questions should be addressed 1# Who were these sons of God? 2#Are they also created in Gods image? 3#There offsprings were called heroes of old/men of reknown (Gene 6:4), what does these things mean to you? 4# According to 6:3 it is said as a result of what the sons of God and daughters of men did in first and second verses, their days on earth were cut short to 120years, is this true or false? 5# How come Adam despite being the embodiement of this sin lived over 900years on earth? Evaded Question: "To follow your logic here, are you implying that every other descendant of Adam were seperated from God because of this Adamic sin?" Jesus came to ransom us from an extant and obvious problem, what is the need for man on what he knew he was?The underlined is clear enough, perhaps you missed it. The verse didnt say they've inherited sin, rather its say, if they commit and PRACTICES sin then they are slave to sin. Present a clearer one please. Here sin is depicted both as an action and is personified as a master. Here's where the statement of Paul applies:Sorry, I wont be taking anything from Paul. Before the fall, Adam was alive in God by the Breath of the Almighty (Genesis 2:7) and in that state, he could relate/fellowship with God. When God said he will die if he disobeyed, []He meant that Breath by which Adam became a living soul will be cut off:Then since you said it has been cut off at that time when Adam fell, then how did Job got his own in job 33:4? All men except one and his family!Why the exception of the man and his family? Does that mean they weren't affected by the Adamic sin? Consecration does not imply sinlessness! Mary was NOT sinless since she was born through copulation btwn a man and woman, Jesus wasnt!You don't get it. Read my reply to your post again. You quoted Psalm 50:5 like this: "Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful]". I was actually showing you your mistake that a totally different thing his in Psalm 50:5. I think the verse is in Psalm 51:5; then I replied you by questioning that verse as regards to the underlined, how could a sinful Mary conceive a sinless? Remember Job said a similar thing Job 25v4: how can man be justified with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman? 3 The ungodly are perverse and estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.The ungodly were refered to here, not just anybody hence the context refering the righteous in verse 10-11 that they would be glad that the wicked are wiped out. See John 8:34 quoted before.NO If no, whence came sin?Sin comes in when you disobey the commandment of God. "..If he stops sinning and follows the laws that give life , he will not die, but live. I willforgive the sins he has committed , and he will live because he has done what is right and good..." Ezekiel 14. 1. There was a standard of righteousness that was acceptable in the OT and those that followed it were approved of GodYou can't possibly hold the above view and still refer us to one Adamic sin. Since those that follow led the law are approved as righteous, then why the need for Jesus sacrifice again? The Chapter and verses of Ezekiel are so clear that man would be jugde by his handiwork and not some imaginary sins he inherited. |
We should note that nowhere in the Old Testament is it explicitly stated that Adam’s sin was passed down! One would think that if Adam’s sin had such a monumental effect on his posterity it would at least be eluded to in the account of his sin. Yet all that is declared is: 1.) Adam and his wife were cast from Eden - Genesis 3:23. 2.) This deprived them of the tree of life (which deprived them of unending physical life) - Genesis 3:22. 3.) The man was cursed with having to work for food - Genesis 3:17-19. And 4.) The woman was cursed with pain in childbirth and submission to man - Genesis 3:16. Scholar8200:I noticed how you failed to address his main question. I'll have to redirect it back to you. he said: "pls my brother reason with me,where did Jesus mention original sin?" This is a very simple and clear question. You shouldn't be beating about the bush in an attempt to answer him, precisely, show us where Jesus taught about this original sin. Also, do the jews believe this 'original sin?. Adam was created , not born, and the purpose of God was that by Adam and Eve, the earth will be populated by descendants that are after Adam's likeness.What was Adam's likeness before the fall and what was his likeness after the fall? After he fell to temptation, Adam was separated from God (spiritually) and those born by him came into the world in the same likeness: condition of separation from God:To follow your logic here, are you implying that every other descendant of Adam were seperated from God because of this Adamic sin? Was Adam forgiven for his mistake or not? What was the implication of the highlighted: The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all human thinking was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5Now, the preceeding makes us understand that the Sons of Gods saw and married some daughters of man [1# Who were these sons of God? Are they also created in Gods image?There offsprings were called heroes of old/men of reknown (Gene 6:4), what does these things mean to you? #2 According to 6:3 it is said as a result of what the sons of God and daughters of men did in first and second verses, their days on earth were cut short to 120years, is this true or false? ] Furthermore, Gen 6:7 made us understand that God decided to wipe out man from the face if the earth in other to stop these evil. So I will ask you, were man later wiped out? (I know the context, but I want you yourself to address it. Was that how God created Adam originally? NOAdam was created to obey God's commandment. Said David:Psa 50:5 "Gather to me my consecrated ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice." Perhaps I'm reading a different bible here or you are, check your bible again. And BTW, is David mother different from Mary i.e. can we say Mary is sinless? That is why Jesus also came to bring an end to all that came by Adam's fall:Jesus should be the one teaching us that he brought an end to the fall of Adam not paul. Again, provide where Jesus made mention of this original sin. This is different from an inherited nature! An inherited nature that will express itself in a sinful lifestyle. Nobody can fully pay for his sins!!!It is either you or Ezekiel is wrong for according to Ezekiel 33: 7-11 The LORD spoke to me. “Mortal man.” he said, “repeat to the Israelites what they are saying: We are burdened with our sins and the wrongs we have done. We are wasting away. How can we live? Tell them that as surely as I,the Sovereign LORD, am the living God, I do not enjoy seeing a sinner die. I would rather see him stop sinning and live. Israel, stop the evil you are doing. Why do you want to die? Ezekiel 14-20 “I may warn an evil man that he is going to die,but if he stops sinning and does what is right and good – for example, if he returns the security he took for a loan or gives back what he stole – if he stops sinning and follows the laws that give life , he will not die, but live. I will forgive the sins he has committed , and he will live because he has done what is right and good. And your people say that what I do isn’t right! No, it’s their way that isn’t right. When a righteous man stops doing god and starts doing evil, he will die for it. When an evil man gives up sinning and does what is right and good, he has saved his life. But Israel, you say that what I do isn’t right. I am going to judge you by what you do .” The verses teach the following: (1) That No matter how big the sins and wrongs be, “Life can be saved” or in other words, forgiveness/salvation can be achieved by (2) turning away from sins, doing good deeds and (3) following the “Law that give life” , (in other words “law” is not a “curse” as Paul erroneously assumes (c.f. Galatians 3: 13) but a blessing) and then (4) God “will forgive the sins they have committed”. (5) Psalm49:7You are deceiving yourself by deliberately putting the bracket word into the verse to suit your claim. Here is the the verse. Psa 49:7 No man can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for him-- The verse is expository enough for any truth seeker to decipher. It is blood that makes atonement for the soul!That's according to Paul. truthman.. |
malvisguy212:You won't just stop deluding yourself. First you admit that it was a battle between against christians and Jews who waged war again the muslims of that time. Very good on your part. At least this thread has been justified. Now, the context of the Surah is talking about 2 predicament the muslims faced at that time. First, the PAGAN and then the ROMAN EMPIRE. Again as the literate critic of Islam unlike you madr us under in his book quoted out the verse in talk " Vers. 29-128 refer to the events connected with the expedition to Tabuq, which occurred in Rajab of A.H. 9 . They were not, however, all enunciated at one time, but partly before the expedition, partly on the march, and partly after the return. Vers. 29-35 may be referred to the time of arrival at Tabuq, when the Christian prince, John of Aylah, tendered his submission to Muhammad, paying tribute (Jazya)." Reverend E. M. Wherry volume 2 page 274. The Treaty PAGAN broke are refered to in the preceeding verses and in some later verse. Open your eyes please. truthman.. |
malvisguy212:I'll still address all these in my upcoming threads. Watch out. truthman. |
malvisguy212:Lol, when did I say the battle was not against christians and Jews? truthman.. |
[s] malvisguy212:[/s] Here is what a critic of Islam that is not an illiterate like you said: Vers. 29-128 refer to the events connected with the expedition to Tabuq, which occurred in Rajab of A.H. 9 . They were not, however, all enunciated at one time, but partly before the expedition, partly on the march, and partly after the return. Vers. 29-35 may be referred to the time of arrival at Tabuq, when the Christian prince, John of Aylah, tendered his submission to Muhammad, paying tribute (Jazya).A comprehensive commentary on the Quran – By Reverend E. M. Wherry volume 2 page 274. You need to read between lines and stop jumping like a kangaroo. truthmanm. |
maajin007:Ameen.. May HE reward us all abundantly. truthman.. |
malvisguy212:[img]https://jacobpiotrowski540.files./2013/11/life-sentence.jpg[/img] Illiteracy is a disease that kilks faster than AIDS. truthman.. |
I hope our anti-muslim bigot (nairaland chapter) won't bring this up again. Truthman.. |
So far, as we have read early Islamic sources, when one reads the passage (9:29) in its historical perspective, it is a fact that the Byzantines (Romans) were the ones who intended to wage war with the Muslims. Saifur Rahman al-Mubarakpuri in his work of Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar) writes: The invasion and the conquest of Makkah was considered a decisive one between the truth and the error. As a result of which, the Arabs had no more doubt in Muhammad’s mission. Thus we see that things went contrary to the pagans’ expectations. People started to embrace Islam, the religion of Allah in great numbers. This is manifested clearly in the chapter. The delegations, of this book. It can also be deduced out of the enormous number of people who shared in the Hajjatul-Wad⦣145; (Farewell Pilgrimage). All domestic troubles came to an end. Muslims, eventually felt at ease and started setting up the teachings of All Laws and intensifying the Call to Islam.From that historical point, Quran 9:29 was a war of self-defence. If the Muslims had not done nothing and sat back, the Muslim community as a whole would have been wiped off in Arabia, by the Byzantine (Romans) and other enemies. Dr. Mustafa As-Sibaa’ie, ‘The life of Prophet Muhammad highlights and lessons’ writes, The Battle of TabookScholar Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi What was the genesis of this expedition? It is related that the Apostle got reports of Byzantine forces converging in the northern frontiers of Arabia with the intention of mounting an attack on the Muslims . Ibn Sa’ad and Waqidi had reported that the Apostle was informed by the Nabataeans that Heraclius was intending to come upon him and that his advance party had already reached Balqa. This was after storing on year’s provision for his army and drafting the pro-Byzantine tribes of Lakhm, Jodham, Amla and Ghassan under his banner. Muhammad Rasulullah The Apostle of Mercy By S. Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi, page 320Professor John Andrew Morrow ….. the early Muslims had to fend of all sorts of aggressive assaults of the unbelievers from the Quraysh and their allies among the bedioun and Jewish tribes , in such well-known Battles as those of Uhud, Al-Khandaq, Mu’tah and TabukSource truthman.. |
“ Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. – Qur’an 9:29Anti-Muslim bigots happen to always come across this verse, and show it to people who know little about Islam. They give the impression that Islam sanctions the killing of Jews and Christians at all times. It is important to always get info from the most authentic sources i.e., by reading and collecting information from Muslims, rather than Islamophobes, since their job is to bash Islam and Muslims. For example, would someone go to a Nazi to learn about Judaism – or would you do so to a better source such as a Jew who practices their religion on a daily basis? The answer would be obvious, is that you would learn from a Jewish person about Judaism. Upon commenting on this particular verse, one of the staunchest critics of Islam, Reverend E.M. Wherry, writes: Vers. 29-128 refer to the events connected with the expedition to Tabuq, which occurred in Rajab of A.H. 9 . They were not, however, all enunciated at one time, but partly before the expedition, partly on the march, and partly after the return. Vers. 29-35 may be referred to the time of arrival at Tabuq, when the Christian prince, John of Aylah, tendered his submission to Muhammad, paying tribute (Jazya). - A comprehensive commentary on the Quran – By Reverend E. M. Wherry volume 2 page 274When reading this passage in its historical context, it is clear that it was sent down by God to Prophet Muhammad (p) to fight against the Byzantine (Roman) empire, who mobilised troops in order to attack the Muslims. In one of our authentic early Islamic sources, ‘Sahih Muslim’, it says: He (Hadrat ‘Umar further) said: I had a companion from the Ansar and, we used to remain in the company of the Messenger turn by turn. He remained there for a day while I remained there on the other day, and he brought me the news about the revelation and other (matter), and I brought him (the news) like this. And we discussed that the Ghassanids were shoeing the horses in order to attack us. Id y companion once attended (the Apostle). And then came to me at night and knocked at my door and called me, and I came out to him, and he said: A matter of great importance has happened. I said: What is that? Have the Ghassanids come ? He said: No, but even more serious and more significant than that: the Prophet has divorced his wives. Sahih Muslim Book 9, Hadith 3511 http://sunnah.com/muslim/18/44From the above narration, there is clear evidence that the Muslims were informed of an impending invasion by the Ghassanids, who were part of the Byzantine Empire.Additionally, Ibn Sa’d in his book Kitab al-tabaqat al-kabir writes: “They (narrators) saud: It (report) reached the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, that the Romans had concentrated large forces in Syria, that Heraclius had disbursed one year’s salary to his soldiers, and that tribes of Lakhm, Judham, ‘Amilah and Ghassan had joined hands with him. They had sent their vanguards to al-Balqa. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, summoned the people to march. He set out and informed them about the place which he intended, so that they could make necessary preparations. He sent (messengers) to Makkah and to the tribes of Arabia (asking them) to send help. This took place in the days of intense heat.” Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Translated by S. Moinul Haq (New Delhi: Kitab Bhavan, 2009) Volume 2, page 203-204Again, we see clear evidence that it was the Byzantine (Roman) empire who started this war. What does one expect the Messenger Muhammad (p) to do? Sit back and do nothing while Muslim lives were going to get slaughtered? Of course, he had done the right thing, assembling the Muslim community to go out and fight against these aggressors. In another early Islamic source, Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan, written by the eminent 9th Century Imam, Aḥmad Ibn Yaḥyā al-Balādhurī, the author says: “Tabuk make terms. When in the year 9 AH the Prophet marched to Tabuk in Syria for the invasion of those of the Greeks, Amilah, Lakhm, Judham and others whom he learnt had assembled against him, he met no resistance. So he spent a few days in Tabuk, whose inhabitants made terms with him agreeing to pay poll-tax.” The origins of the Islamic State, being a translation from the Arabic accompanied with annotations Geographic and historic notes of the Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan of al-Imam Abu’l Abbas Ahmad Ibn Jabir Al Baladhuri, By Phillip Khurti Hitti, PHD, [1916], volume 1, page 92 |
malvisguy212:That must have been because of the level of your illiteracy or perhaps you are suffering from cataract. If you can't differentiate between real 'truthful man' and 'lie-man2012 despite the fact that I type in red while lie-man doesn't, I can't help but shake my head for you. truthman2012:Old man, I noticed that you went into a temporary oblivion after I challenged you. Watssup with you? ..truthman. |
OP, you are right on point. I have been applying these tricks without ever taking lessons from anyone.. truthman.. |
jcross19:Typical deluded christian^^ truthman. |
Nawaooooooo truthman... |
OLAADEGBU:Dude, I think you are high on weed. You opened a thread to make the baseless accusation that muslim rain curse on Jews and Christians everyday by citing a Jewish site and a dude talking trash on youtube. You asked if I rain curse on Jews and Christians everyday and I answered truthfully with a NO, only for you to accuse me of not being truthful and not a good muslim? Is this how high you are? Can I do the same nonsense you just did? truthman.. |
OLAADEGBU:You have your bible right there with you, read 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 and see for yourself. truthman.. |


