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Deep Sight:
You speak as though the earth is a being that was desperately in need of LIFE to survive. If that's truly the case then every planet out there would develop life, as they would need it to maintain balance!

The earth is unique in its composition and hence develops in a different way to other planets which in turn change differently based on their various compositions.

Life on earth is a consequence of the earths development. Everything in nature tends to reach out towards a state of balance from chaos.

There is no ruling out other life forms in other planets different from what is obtainable here on earth and such developments would be geared towards maintaining a state of balance. They could be breathing CO2 and expirating O2.
Infact some creatures were recently discovered at the bottom of the ocean where sunlight does not reach and their entire metabolism was based on H2S.

Deep Sight:
No way: no retraction - there can be no ecosystem without the crowning component: LIFE, and as such it is only logical to accept that all things were driving towards LIFE.

[b]Indeed this only makes sense given that LIFE is the end product of the evolving phases of the earth. It makes further sense when we realize that man is the last creature to appear on the earth in terms of evolutionary categorization of broad species. Thus logically it is obvious that this was the goal: [/b]this is where the whole damn story was heading towards, it was heading to a state capable of supporting not just life, but man.

I guess this was what the dinosaurs were thinking before they woke up the next morning EXTINCT!

Humanity might experience the same fate and then we'll all know the earth comes first, everything else is fungible.


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Deep Sight:
THIS IS STILL ESCAPISM AND IT WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TODAY.

Read what you have written. You said that life works towards maintaining the ecosystem. I positively assert that the ecosystem supports and maintains LIFE.

What is the purpose of a rock? Is it the purpose of life to support a rock or the purpose of the rock to support life? Don't be absurd.

Well gee since the purpose of rock is to support life the all rocks in the universe including floating asteroids are there to support life. . . .don't be absurd pleaase!

Deep Sight:
^^^ Following your reasoning God must catch all persons trying to commit suicide by jumping from a cliff. He must catch them mid-air, and thereby save them.

That's bull. So long as you are capable of making decisions you will be responsible for your actions.

Period.

Besides you have already conceded above that humans and not God, are responsible for all that.

So you no get case again, matter don end!

More cock and bull!

What decisions did the 1 million victims make? Oh I guess they all consciously decided to be killed. . .bullshit!

Deep Sight: I will not entertain any escapism.You stated yourself clearly that everything is geared towards balancing the ecosystem.
Life is the cardinal and central aspect of an ecosystem - that's why you cannot speak of ecosystems on mars.
This from wikipedia prove it:
Thus your concession of defeat remains intact since you concluded yourself that every thing is geared towards the ecosystem - thus life, as life is its cardinal aspect!
No escape, the case is closaed via your own words,Tudor!

The ecosystem is a complex system of diff components that totally dependent on one another. . .remove the sun no ecosystem, remove water nada, take away life and ecosystem is dead. The earth changes and becomes something else.

Life is a component of the ecosystem and along with other components works towards maintaining the ecosystem.

And I repeat again, the ecosystem was formed by the developing earth. The ecosystem through its biotic and abiotic component make up the earth.

Wat escapism?

Deep Sight:
Thanks for conceding defeat.

Gudnite!

So what?
Whats the use of an all powerful so called protector of mankind from evil when he cannot protect innocent children from the hands of evil men?

Why are you god in the first place? Is it only to sit in heaven and allow humans kiss your ass?

Infact why pray at all since god cannot bring himself so low to interfere with the affairs of man.

Deep Sight: ^^^ Listen up son - what the hell does the earth need any of those systems for? What does it need "balance" for? Would it matter to the earth if it was a bare empty cold rock? Would the earth feel sad, that it was a bare empty cold rock?

The earth was probably cold and bare rock at some point in its existence, so what?

The point is the earth through time developed in to what it is today.

WE are a product of such development. The first living thing was formed from chemica rxn involvn elements in this earth hence we are a component/part of this earth.

Everything is geared towards maintaining the ecosystem. . .what is the ecosystem if not the Earth itself?

The planet Uranus Venus may not have Earth's systems - any problem there? ? ?

The planets venus and uranus are made up of different elements in different percentages from earths , lesser sunlight e.t.c,therefore processes and reactions over time lead to a different end result.

What the hell - how do you know we aren't guinea pigs in a cosmic experiment? ? ? ?

Its ridiculous to see this line being used to propose the existence of God. I laugh in greek.

Of course the zebra whose family has been eaten by Lions may also blame God and declare that since Lions ate his family, then God does not exist - he is only a Zebra, of course, and could never have the head-space to understand that such tragic events are necessary for population control and a balanced eco-system.

Tudor, are you playing the Zebra here?

Last time I checked the bible, Jesus wasn't sent to come die for the zebra neither did mohammed receive the quaran for the lion so I have no idea what you're blabbing about.

Deep Sight: I am certain you are aware that Tpia asked for the history of that crisis to demonstrate the HUMAN causes.

Tpia is a time waster. There is no disputing humans caused the genocide. . .nobody said it was carried out by aliens.

There is no way in hell you can dispute that HUMANS wreck the world.
AND there is also NO WAY you can show that if God exists, he must per force stop humans from doing shit.

And why not? Does he not love us anymore?

He supposedly parted the Read sea for the Jews, while the egyptians drowned right? What stops him from doing sumtn similar for the 1 million victims and let the rebels die instead?

How do you know God's mentality? For what bigger purposes do you know such an entity may allow such to persist

Ridiculous excuse! Anytime something occurs we're told to look at the bigger picture. I and my family killed and you say look at the bigger picture? Well I can't because I'm DEAD!

Deep Sight:
the Abrahamic God AS DEFINED is an absolute law unto himself and does whatsoever he pleases for reasons best known to him without reference to ANYONE.

Do NOT pretend that the Abrahamic God has always been presented as merciful and loving. You have read the Old Testament and you are aware that he is presented as very harsh indeed.

Have you read the New Testament at all? If not I suggest you do.

What do you mean helpless victims? How do you know if such is not being visited on them on account of past deeds? (Karma/ You reap what you sow). If you are not the supreme being yourself, you can never have a compound view of the fate that each person deserves.

Ha you mean the almost 1 million people including children and infants were killed because of karma? I guess the one day old baby who was murdered was done for by his repeated painful kicking of his mama during pregnancy. . .bad kid!

What life?
Before life began on earth what then?
Are you saying without life the earth cannot survive?

Everything down from rainfall to life is geared towards balancing the earth and its ecosystem. Everything has its place and function. So also like EVERYTHING life is governed by little chemical processes here and there.

Saying the earth is geared towards maintaining life is like saying the earth's systems are for maintaining rainfall. . .how ridiculous is that?

I'm sure the universe and all its complexities are there to support life too, right?

Try again abeg!

Deep Sight:
Tudorm you are YET to address THIS -

Emm its Tudór boss.

You can only have a point if you can show me that the Brain is conscious of itself as a creature called a brain, whose work is to control something called a man.

Wrong! The brain is conscious of itself as the MAN.

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A complex system that exists and delivers a function for itself?

Howbout the universe or earth in particular?

The earth is complex in itself and it functions are geared towards it in itself.

All processes that go on naturally on earth go on to define the earth itself. Right?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=356567.msg5002421#msg5002421 date=1259271148]btw read through the article you posted if you know how to read.

then get back to me.[/quote]Does this fool have anything new to say?

After embarassingly exposing your lies and ignorance you decided to derail the thread (stupidly) by asking for the history of the genocide. I presented you with a comprehensive article that covers the topic and what does this senseless animal do? NOTHING!

Its obvious you've run out of ideas. Your time wasting antics are that to be expected from a brain-dead illiterate of which you obviously are.

Move along if you've got nothing to say and let others continue.

Its not by force to feel smart, embrace your extremely low IQ and you might actually have a good life. That you ride the short bus over there shouldn't be a stumbling block. . . .forest gump did it and so can you.

@Deep sight.
I'm begining to sound like a fucking broken record! This thread tackles the idea of the all good, loving, powerful, merciful etc Abrahamic God.

Ur idea of God ,its ontology, nature and workings remains undefined and sketchy. The abrahamic god is WELL defined hence thats why its the focus of this thread. Whether u admit it or not ur light spark God and that of the Abrahamic religions are two different ideas.

U simply look at this issue from the perspective of the perpetrators of the genocide blaming their free will when instead it should be viewed through the eyes of the helpless victims. Is the idea of an all loving and powerful god who stands up for the oppressed and downthrodden not wat is put forward by the abrahamic faiths?

Ur assertion god lets you make mistakes to learn is ridiculous in this situation. . .let me think, God allows me, my wife and kids to be massacred like dogs so my murderer can learn his lesson?hmmm Now I'm just a dummy for moral instruction? How grande!

@pastor
I understand.

As for dreams, telepathy, psycho kinesis and what not it's known we actually use only 10% of our brain power. It isn't far fetched to think one would be able to do all these if we can harness a larger percentage of our brains.

There's nothing spiritual about dreams, a completely brain dead individual who is still kept alive by lung, heart and dialysis machines cannot dream neither can they hope to be telepathic. There is no brain activity on the EEG.

@pastor AIO

How are we sure we have a brain? Humans only came to know what is in our skull when we saw what was in the skull of a dead man.

Anyone who's not sure can go get a CT scan.

Deep Sight:
I hope you realize with this you have ceded the debate.

The only issue is you believe the subconscious/being to LIE outside the brain but what i'm telling you is being and subconscious are a product of our brains.

1. You're only DEAD when you're brain is totally dead and no neurons are working hence you cannot breathe, move or use your senses. Your might not have a heartbeat but your brain is still alive. Thats why doctors test pupillary reflexes by shining a torch to the eyes to confirm death.

2. Near-death is not the same as DEAD. Its in the process of dying but somehow you're brought back by medicine probably you're heart is restarted. The brain doesn't just die like that, its a gradual process. Thats why some people have some sort of brain damage after NDE's.

3. Once you're DEAD you can NEVER regain consciousness. It has NEVER happened.

4. People who are unconscious or in a coma have a problem with the part of the brain that controls consciousness. Other areas may still be functional hence they still breathe and have heartbeats if not they're hooked to machines.

The question should be what is this BEING and from where does it emanate? The sense of being is definately your subconscious, thoughts and feelings and are all in the brain.

You talk as if the man and the brain are two different things. Fact is the MAN is the BRAIN.

The brain controls everything from eating to drinking i.e EVERYTHING.

Why do we eat, drink, party and have sex? Its for the feeling of pleasure. The wonderful sensation we get from doing all these things is why the average man moves towards these.

Your car analogy is just ridiculous. A car doesn't have a subconcious. If what you're saying is true brain damage should in no way affect counciousness and the inner core of a subject. NOTHING should alter personality (The man).

Animals have brains too. . . I guess its the spirit of the goat thats tasting the grass rather than the brain, or the inner spirit of the bird enjoys the singing of its female right?

Is it a coincidence as organisms get up the ranks their brain becomes much complex?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=356567.msg5001551#msg5001551 date=1259259468]gosh- do i have to spell everything out for you this lazy thing!!!!!
duuuhhh!!!!!!

does light have eyes, ears, a mouth and a brain!!!!!!!

idiot!
geez you're daft.
do you know the meaning of inanimate or have i been conversing with a stark ignorant illiterate.
boy, always have your dictionary beside you at any point in time.
you need it.
i'm telling you your analogies are way off base, you're responding with drivel.
use your brain if you have one.
even badlee, bad as he is, seems more intelligent than you on this thread.
gee whiz.[/quote]capital M.O.R.O.N!!!

Are light & darkness OBJECTS?

I laugh at this mummu!!! mummu!!! mummu!!! mummu!!! mumuu!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. . . . An illiterate who is both happy and confident in her ignorance cum STUPIDITY. . . Ode oshi!

Now answer the op and tell us where god was during the genocide. . .you must tell us today!

More like Pastor loves a cheerful giver. . . .

Na lie! You won't divert this thread!

Any more excuses for where your god was during the genocide? Don't come with illiterate crap that light is an inanimate object. . . . I wonder which light you're talking about. If its the lighter you use to light your ganja and indian hemp rolls then my my you're a straight A student.

^^
You are indeed very daft. Every slowpoke who can use the internet can access the history of the rwandan genocide knowing it doesn't make anyone a genius. . . . Its quite clear you know it but you feel the need to ask to evade the question of the thread.

Having called you out on your wimpy lies cum illiteracy and ridiculous excuses for your yahweh its obvious you've got nothing else to say. Now if you've run out of excuses to make for your god kindly get the fuc.k out of this thread and let others continue. . .what a fool!

And oh, KAG is a she and not a he.

@Deep sight.

The brain is a very complex organ and we're still unravelling the mysteries.
Whatever we feel or state of mind we find ourselves is usually as a result of happenings in our environment and the way we perceive it. Just like wirinet said, the possible states of mind are limitless and each situation is capable of throwing different people into different states.

More pointer to the fact everything emanates from the brain is the way certain drugs, poisons or toxins can totally change personalities and mindsets. A supposedly enlightened buddist monk with "inner peace" and "joy" would become disoriented when schizophrenic. Cocaine, marijuana and alcohol are known to put you in a state of serenity and joy where nothing else matters. The only difference here is KAG found that joy and inner happiness by discarding religion the same way you found yours by embracing the "oneness of infinity"

Its nothing spiritual. . . .two electrodes to your brain can change who you are.

@deep sight.

No offense what you've written is unmitigated rubbish. We are spirit gems that used to be little sparks emanating from the energy of god bla bla bla?

Let me guess, the oneness of infinity told you these things right? I laugh in japanese!

@deep sight.

No offense what you've written is unmitigated rubbish. We are spirit gems that used to be little sparks emanating from the energy of god bla bla bla?

Let me guess, the oneness of infinity told you these things right? I laugh in japanese!