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viaro:
If someone is not going to risk an answer out of context to your enquiry, would it not be appropriate to ask about what you implied by your initial assumption?

Again, WHAT ASSUMPTION?

I asked a simple open and honest question. . .is that a problem?

viaro:
Are you by rote asserting that we are the result of an accident?

I asked a simple question and you're going on about what I might be asserting. How is that releavant?

Scratch that. . . If we were so intelligently designed, why are there errors in transcription and replication of DNA which often lead to genetic disorders.

@Noetic.
When did you kill my daddy?

Now lets see, my personalities for the year are mazaje, huxley, toneyb, chris, bindex (where is that dude, i miss him) and all the atheists/agnostics on the board. I've certainly been influenced by everyones post.

But for the purpose of this thread i'd vote manmustwac the first atheist moderator on the religion board . . . For even daring to take the job I salute him (and he's doing a good job too). So manmustwac you've got my vote!

chillbabe:
For me it's TUDOR luv that guy

Thanks, don't listen to banom, I've got no horns on my head.lol

@sauer.
Thanks i'll look up on them.

BTW, are you male or female?

Who is Adichie and Ata if I may ask. . .

Apparently being an atheist is a turn-off for most nigerian ladies. The best option is to keep your mouth shut concerning your unbelief.

Question should be Why do you blame America and Europe for ALL the woes in your life?

^^
Hope you do know all these "fights" are scripted and acted out?

@ Topic.
He probably died from steroid and drug use.

Service don dismiss my guy. I went for the early morning business meeting.

Yea such is life. . . .my advice; Get a gun!

Aloy Emeka and his penchant for gossip and false news. . . . Did pastor chris not teach you gossiping is bad?

Dude be careful what you wish for. Right from my teens i've always been attracted and dated older girls. . . I don't know why but it certainly has to do with my irritation for immaturity in a woman.

The highest i've ever gone is 10 years older, i'm pretty scared and reluctant to go anything beyond.

Anyway sha, goodluck.

This is what religion does to people. . .how sad.

What exactly is wrong with marrying 5 wives?

In the old days every damn thing from your ancestors to the gods demanded human sacrifice. . . .so it shouldn't be out of place to think so.

german007:
@Tudor.

Im a grown up man and will confidently tell you that you were wrong in your choice of language.
Looking at his post, I dont see anything warranting being told to "shut the f((k up" as you'v termed it.      It seemed like he only started this thread to ask a simple question.
My advice to you is to apologise to the poster for your choice of words.


Thanks

Thank you for your advice. Point noted.

Will this daydreamer please point out whose a muslim on this thread?

Krayola:
@Tudor,  U are not giving me anything to work with here,  I asked for examples and u are just saying the same stuff u say on every thread.  We live in the 21st century,  In those days there was no science,  That was how the world was believed to work. U have to learn to appreciate that. U can keep yelling that it was a con job but to me that makes little to no sense. These ideas evolve over millenia and are not invented by an individual or a group of individuals.

If u want to go around claiming all religions are con jobs, give us one example so we can dig into it and see how valid the charges are. . . The rest na stores

Like I said in my first post here, man created the gods to explain away the ill understood realities of life. And like you said, these ideas evolve over millenia.

The question is, what drives this evolution and change. Among many other things is the element of deceit. There are thousands if not millions of different religions on this planet and its typical to human nature to selfishly move the gods so to speak to your side of the fence. This is mostly easy when the religious authority is centralised, A change for whatever reason on the leader's views or motives leads to a whole 'noda level.

In times past political leaders have tried to control the religions, ever wondered why? Yea, its because once they are in then they control god. And for sure, many have succeeded.

You can lie to people but never to yourself. Knowing you need land and resources and therefore telling the people it is gods commandment they go kill for it. Not unless you're a psycho you'd know deep within it came from you and not some god. That is deceit.

Belief in dieties might have begun as an innocent attempt to explain the world, but there's no doubt it most got hijacked along the way.

Krayola:
@Tudor,  U are not giving me anything to work with here,  I asked for examples and u are just saying the same stuff u say on every thread.  We live in the 21st century,  In those days there was no science,  That was how the world was believed to work. U have to learn to appreciate that. U can keep yelling that it was a con job but to me that makes little to no sense. These ideas evolve over millenia and are not invented by an individual or a group of individuals.

If u want to go around claiming all religions are con jobs, give us one example so we can dig into it and see how valid the charges are. . . The rest na stores

Like I said in my first post here, man created the gods to explain away the ill understood realities of life. And like you said, these ideas evolve over millenia.

The question is, what drives this evolution and change. Among many other things is the element of deceit. There are thousands if not millions of different religions on this planet and its typical to human nature to selfishly move the gods so to speak to your side of the fence. This is mostly easy when the religious authority is centralised, A change for whatever reason on the leader's views or motives leads to a whole 'noda level.

In times past political leaders have tried to control the religions, ever wondered why? Yea, its because once they are in then they control god. And for sure, many have succeeded.

You can lie to people but never to yourself. Knowing you need land and resources and therefore telling the people it is gods commandment they go kill for it. Not unless you're a psycho you'd know deep within it came from you and not some god. That is deceit.

Belief in dieties might have begun as an innocent attempt to explain the world, but there's no doubt it most got hijacked along the way.

Krayola:
For example? Please give me an example of a god that was created just for the purpose of explaining something away.

From what I know dreams had something to do with the belief in the supernatural. It wasn't just some guy making stuff up to explain away things. it was people trying to reconcile unconscious "thoughts" (dreams) with reality, and from there the idea that everything was animated with spirit developed, and from there these ideas develop and keep evolving. For the most part they are sincere, honest attempts at explaining reality, based on the data available to them at the time. Man did not create gods out of nothing. . . .they had evidence pointing to the possibility of a reality different from what they experienced in regular states of consciousness. People would see dead relatives in dreams and wake up scared shitless. . . from there they would think it was someone trying to communicate with them from yonder. . . .bla bla bla,  people actually believed this stuff. It wasn't a conspiracy. It was just how people viewed the world back them.

Doesn't all these constitute "explaining away all you don't understand"? Isn't it the purpose of the gods, anything strange and unusual is the gods.

[b]These things aren't black and white like that, And I think one of the problems is that when it is presented like this, people cant take it seriously. These people are products of their societies. Some are born into royalty and grow up believing they are descendants of gods. They really did believe that stuff. IT WASN'T, for the most part, SOME GUYS SITTING IN ROOMS TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE!!!

The so-called myth of their generational godship started at a point in time, right?

who started it and why if not to deceive, stamp your authority and induce fear in both the people and enemies.

YOu need to remember that this idea of perfect gods that do no wrong is a product of our own time. Back then gods had very human attributes. . .jealousy, lust, envy, greed etc. . .so that a king was not perfect in morality or virtue did nothing to diminish his "god' credentials.

Is it a coincidence that the wishes of the "gods" usually coincided with the wishes and wants of the leaders?

What are you gonna tell me now, "oh that king/religious leader honestly thought it was the wish of God for him to take the wife of a subject of his". . . .indeed!

Those stories were not intended to be taken literally. God parting the red sea just means God will take care of his own so that his will will be done regardless. Not saying I subscribe to these ideas, I'm just saying the traditions out of which they emerge don't take these things literally. It is the fundamentalist christian tradition that has severed itself from it's roots that mostly propagate all these fantastic stories as factual, and then run into problems trying to rationalize them.

Yea, tell that to the christian and jewish scientists who're pillaging through the Red sea bed looking for evidence to support the red sea crossing Or the explorers who say they've found mount. sainai.

And what exactly do you need this info for?

Nwanyi miri should mean "mammy water" or mermaid in the igbo culture. . .sumtn' like that.

Trust stupid nigerians to believe this absolute nonsense. How can a woman deliver a tortoise?

Did these foolish people do biology at all in high school?

Who cares about this match?

It's really difficult to choose i'd go for topics on God, Evolution, and Tithes. . . Infact they all are explosive topics except when a raving racist lunatic comes blabbing jesus was a black man.

Of course its an organised effort to con the masses!

Man created the gods to explain away all strange happenings in his environment before long figured this "powerful being" capable of such magical things should be able influence life in my favour.

Fear of "bad luck from the gods" began to be exploited by leaders who passed laws in the name of the gods or even sometimes declared themselves gods.

Do you really think moses parted the red sea or heard the voice of God on mount sainai?
Why would anyone make up such stories if not to deceive?

Deep Sight:
^^^ You must admit that the first cause argument in relation to the eternity/ infinity of time and space is, if not totally convincing to you, at least of more substance, or more reasoned than big kind daddy sitting in the sky waiting for jusgment day. . . 

EVERYBODY from the ifa worshipper to the christian uses the first cause argument to prove their god.

Where everyone takes a detour is when they begin infusing this first cause with whatever xteristics they feel like.

Question is, why should we accept your own idea of god.

This thread just looks juvenile i must say.

What exactly is the aim of this exercise?

When it comes to arguments and debates especially of religious nature, judgements on quality of arguments are subjective. One individual can Never be neutral. Thats why in most cases you have a panel of judges.

Anyway you guys should knock yourselves out.

Deep Sight:
Because mine is goooooose and theirs is baaaaaaaass

Yeah i thought as much. . . .