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2.Again I ask you, on what basis did you decide that my grandfather's death is less horrendous than the genocide. Examine the assumptions that underlie your question.

This is terrible. . .YOU yourself said your grandfather died a peaceful death and YOU again used the word Horrendous to qualify the death rwandan victims so asking ME what criteria I use is really absurd.

I simply pointed out the words you used and put them side by side and the difference was as clear as day.

1. Your question was Where was God? Learn to communicate better. Did you mean to ask Why He didn't prevent the killings?

Well everybody who answered this thread apart from YOU recognised that as what is implied by the question. . .poor you.

3. You obviously cannot deal with the fact that if I choose not to answer your call. It does not prove my non-existence

Does that in anyway prove your existence too?

6. Again you like all other atheists in this forum fail to address this point: An atheist, to be consistently assured that his belief is accurate, must also claim to be omniscient, for there always exists the possibility of the existence of God outside his knowledge"

The same way we have to be ominiscient to rule out the possibility of floating testicles two galaxies away right?

Fact is its the theist who make the positive claim as to there being God out there. . . Onus is on YOU to prove it and we all know how that has NEVER happened.

bimbusky: @ Tudor, Atheist and the others, am sure you think that saying there is no God or ridiculing those who believe in him somehow makes you look cool and intelligent. the answer is sorry! it doesnt. it just makes most of us feel sorry for you

Another off topic rant. . . I wonder why its so difficult for these peeps to stay on topic without boring us with pathetic attempts at psycho-analysis of the atheist mind.

like many have already said, let me say again. God was there when Hitler was killing the Jews, he was there when Taylor was cutting off childrens arms and he was there when you were breaking the hearts of those beautiful girls. the point is, he doenst save promiscuously. if you believe in him and call on him, he will save you.

Now that is the promise!

Do you know how many of the victims were killed and burnt alive in churches? They believed, they called why was there no answer? Could it be because there's nobody listening?

Deep Sight:
This is just brilliant. I comp[letely agree with you that this thread has proved that Tudor has absolutely no rational basis for his atheism.

Not like I give a damn what you think but there are MANY reasons I chose atheism and This just happens to be one.

aletheia:
@Kay17
Really? Give me a break. Atheism is the refuge of those who cannot grapple with the tough questions of life.

I couldn't help but laugh hysterically at this. . . Eh, what are the tough questions of life atheism provides the perfect succour for?

aletheia: The fact is that all humans; atheists and non-atheists die. What makes one death worse or better than the next? The atheist might as well ask where was God when my grandfather died? That the "atheist" asks this question shows he realizes there is something not right with the Rwandan Genocide. On the basis of what does he make that call?" Can you please respond to this.

Again I quote the relevant part to the thread others are meaningless, irrelevant and downright senseless so i'll ignore them.

1. You never answered the question as to why God didn't save the lives 1 million victims who prayed to him rather all you did was speak about eternal life. .are you now saying God will never intervene to save a physical life?

2. Your grandfather wasn't burnt alive or butchered in a church was he? Horrendous is the keyword another is Helpless.
Infact it don't matter. . .didn't the lord say call me in times of trouble and I shall answer?

[quote author=mr.official link=topic=356567.msg5015816#msg5015816 date=1259497262]
You said why do we run to God for everything, I know you have a father and you run to your father whenever you need his assistance despite he's your father,he's suppose to know all your needs,God said ask and it shall be given unto you.[b]so the people of Rwanda forgot to ask God and God left them, [/b]if a child thinks he is wise enough to take care of himself his father will leave him alone.

I don't think there is anything that someone will tell you here that you will not defy.

You can keep whining. I'm done with you.[/quote]Dude!!! Word of Advice; don't you ever repeat this in Rwanda, ok?

It's even said most of them took refuge in churches, what'd you think they were doing there. . . .playing snooker?

Em em em. . . .let me think. . . .

No2Atheism:
I prefer Slim Fit jeans and clothes . . . i has to show my body shape . . . or else how do you want to me to advertise myself and taunt the ladies as unavailable bachelor . . .

In summary No2Atheism the ONLY worshipper of the BLACK 50 cent looking JESUS is a closet Homosexual.

Only a gay goes about advertising his curves.

don't let the ass-hole rip, you might just let a shit slip.

No2Atheism:
You are not excused . . . i repeat that:


Tudor ("The White Tanned Jesus loving Atheist" is (in summary) PRO WEST and EUROCENTRIC . . .

What?

banom:
No i will allow you to do all as the lawd directs you, mine is just to be an executive member and church treasurer and financial sectary .

Oh so you are a devourer abi? You want to reap where you did not sow, ba?

I give praises because The lord has already taken care of you. . .Malachi 3 : 11

And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit befor the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

Thank you lawd!

No2Atheism:
In summary you are PRO WEST and EUROCENTRIC . . .

Excuse me?

@banom.

Haba, what is wrong with the name? You have a better title?

If we're going to be partners you have to contribute more to the planning process abi?

Deep Sight: Banom, LOL! You don kolo oooooo! Laugh wan kill me die!

@ Tudor - This is a good place for you to come share with us your worldview.

Worldview? You already know all I stand for. . .ok let me recap alittle.

I don't believe in God, the spiritual or ghosts. . . I'm anti-religion, anti-communism, pro-democracy, anti-racisit/tribalism and anti-terrorism. . . I believe a woman should have a right to choice as to what to do with her body hence I'm pro-abortion, pro-prostitution (not forced or child prostitution).

I'm also for the death penalty, pro-iraq and afghanistan wars and whenever that happens pro-iran war. I'm also for the environment i.e CO2 emission cuts but not at the expense of development in third world countries.

I believe human rights are not absolute, the government should reserve the right to under extreme or national security situations suspend the rights of certain individuals.

There you have it. . . Tudór in black and white. Whatelse you wanna knw?

@Banom. .lol

You know when I was in school I actually told my best friend if by any chance I get out and i'm bored or unsatisfied with my job then i'd go work for the lawd. . . I had several business models but decided oyedepo's method was best.

There's nothing as sweet and melodious to the ears of hungry nigerians as God Sent Me to Make His People RICH

For church name I was thinking something direct and in-your-face like Poverty Must Die Revival Ministries. . . I'm open to other options though.

Then for the most important, Finance aka start up capital(coz it must be a big church). . . My mum would be willing to back me heavily. Ever since I was little (and till today) she keeps feeding me this mumbo jumbo about how God abi na jesus revealed to her the afternoon i was born, I'll be a great servant of God and other shit like that. . .several times I told her it was the anti-pain morphine that caused the hallucinations. To her it will be a fulfilment of the that divine vision.

CrazyMan:
Has preaching the gosple become an avenue for making money or did I get you wrongly

Oh hell yes! Preaching the GO$P€L is the in thing right now.

aletheia:
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The atheist hopes to prove the non-existence of God by the fact of his not preventing the tragedy from occurring. If God chose not to act, it doesn't disprove his existence. If I refuse to answer your phone calls, does it prove my non-existence?

This was the only part of your post relevant to this thread the rest were needless distractions i.e off topic.

If you claim there is a phone answering being who is merciful, loving, all powerful, ominiscient, perfect and ominipresent and then 1 million innocent and helpless pple including women and kids call out to that being with not so much as a whisper then my man, SUCH A BEING DOES NOT EXIST.

If I tell you there's a hairy goat on the moon who answers prayers for free and you and your entire family in time of mortal peril call out to the moon goat and no reply, what would be your conclusion if not no such goat exists.

[quote author=mr.official link=topic=356567.msg5011905#msg5011905 date=1259432243]Are you this dense?

Read below, you should be able to grab one.

Hosea 4:6

New International Version (©1984)
my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.[/quote]Mr officia I don't know if this is a mistake or not but the question you quoted (which was in response to mccloud's ridiculous assertion)read thus; If we were created by God and meant to take care of ourselves till death then why pray?
Why do christians run to God for EVERY problem

Now look at the bible verses you presented in different tongues and tell me if they in anyway corelate with the questions.

mccloud224:
Dude, i was referring to man's cruelty to his fellow man.Don't mis quote me and in between, SH*T happens in life man.People die all the time (in war,famine,disease,fighting and all kinds of senseless sh*t you can think of)

Again how does this apply to the helpless VICTIMS of the rwandan genocide?

Did anyone say it was a must everyone prays?Did anyone put a gun to your head and force you to pray?What are you beating about man?Quit confusing yourself.For the sake of sanity (abeg! ! !)

Now you're being ridiculous. . .didn't the bible say Pray without season i.e pray all the time or do you read the bible with your tongue?

Now you were bellowing "god created us and expects us to to take care of ourselves till death". . .now the question is, why are we then asked to pray to God in the bible?

Try again pls.

Deep Sight:
Tudor -

That's a quote from Wikipedia on Gravity.

Try and wrap your head around it and deduce yourself how this law proves the existence of Karma.

I will not do it for you, as i have done so before but you missed it. I will only give you one hint: remember that the force of gravity and the magnetic pressur eit exerts is related to the mass of the cosmic body refferred to.

Have at it!

Now this is absurd. How can gravity prove karma that doesn't even exist?

Tell me how do we test karma? Can we calculate or measure it? How do we even know karma?

Deep Sight:
You cannot state this since you do not have a compound view of all events, and all that happens to each individual.

Yea and you somehow have a composite view to deduce all mishap that happens or happend in this case to the rwanda victims are as a result of karma?

mccloud224:
Why do people blame God for everything?God created you in his own image and all the works and you are meant to take care of yourself till the day of death.

If we're meant to take care of ourselves till death then why pray?

Why do christians run to god so to speak EVERY problem they have?

If you want to swallow poison, God will not take the poison from your hand.If you want to blow your brains out with a 12-guage shot gun, God will not stop you.If you want to climb the Eiffel tower and take a plunge to the ground (that's a deep plunge. . .lol),God will fold his arms and watch you and your stupidity.You know why?Coz it's in your hands.He made us smart.It's what we do with our wisdom and knowledge that counts.God didn't invent AR-15's,AK 47's or sniper rifles.Humans did.He didn't invent the H bomb or A bomb or napalm bombs.It's our "handy work".

For some strange reason, humans spend more time plotting evil than good (it's true).Even the so called "good plans/thoughts

What stupid decisions did the victims of the genocide make?

How were they responsible for their predicament?

Deep Sight:
Gravity is magnetic pressure towards a core (get it now?)
I will not elaborate here, but if you will reflect, you will see that Karma and gravity are the exact same principle.
This is the extent to which I understand Divine Justice - that which is put out will fall back.
What I said we cannot apprehend is the significance of each event because we don't have a full view of all events and all events are Karmaically inter-related.

Karma?
I repeat karma does not exist. . .there are bad people who go scot free.
When bad things happen to bad people they claim its karma but when it happens to the good what then is it?

Misfortune is just random, its doesn't take into consideration your criminal record.

skyone:
Nmm, one zebra gone and another in, anyway may be this one is willing to be tamed let's watch

I'll ignore this stupid statement, its totally meaningless

Tudor, the power and validity of prayer is evident and glearing all around but you can see it due to your circumstances

Pls show me scientific reports that prove the veracity of prayer. Is it not suprising that with all the so called miracles going on, not ONCE has it been observed and verified by science. I wonder why. ,

You mentioned why are christians not get the healing, 'well ask those christian (if they truly are) these questions.
(1) Are you doubting that you can be healed "shaking faith"
(2) Do you really believe in Jesus Christ
(3) Are you a sinner.

Funny thing is those who claim to be men of God, Gods generals and what not but still die of cancer or run to hospitals when ill e.g oyedepo,kumuyi. .do dey not have faith?

@deep sight. . .

You describe what divine justice might be like then claim we cannot comprehend it? Pray tell, how you came to comprehend it and how you came to know in the first place its incomprehensible.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=356567.msg5010719#msg5010719 date=1259419837]this kind of thinking leads only to madness and infinite numbers of vacant rubbish. Infinite loops as it were, leading nowhere.


The very word circle already excludes the possibility of it being a square, or must all absolutes be abolished because you're grasping at straws.

try again this time with a well thought out argument.[/quote]In your premature frenzy to respond and sound "smart" you missed the point being put across by the guy.

Sure your method of disproving the square-circle is right but there are MANY ways and arguments One of which is the internal inconsistencies/contradiction route and this involves assuming the square-circle exists and try to find inconsistencies in the put forward "characteristics" or "mathematics" of the theory.

Try cool down before replying, it wont kill you.

@deep sight

Lol. . .even though i'm 6 4" in height people no dey fear me. I'm really a sweet guy

Let me see, one rule for god and then another for mankind. . . One idea of love, mercy and justice for God and another for humanity. . .oh yeah!

Funny how you people claim to know god then again say we cannot understand it/him. . . .how did you know god in the first place?

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=356567.msg5010628#msg5010628 date=1259418769]where is the free will of the Christians you like to abuse and disrespect?

dont know if you see where I'm going or if you're just too dense.

i suspect the latter.[/quote]Does that not show you how daft and inherently stupid the free will argument is?

Where does free will come in in such situations?

In certain instances where your life is in danger and totally dependent on a decision made by another party whether to kill you or not ,isn't it in such helpless positions you pray to God and ask for help?

Thousands of kids are in peril, their lives in the hands of murdering rebels, what does their free will count for?

You guys should please take this free will mumbo jumbo to the dogs.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=356567.msg5010588#msg5010588 date=1259418284]you wanking disease infested retard, are you sure your brain is functioning properly or you've been smoking adulterated jazz.

Did you just magically get on a computer and start typing when you were born, or did you have to LEARN how to use one?

gosh, too many dense things on this forum. You have to spell everything out for them and even then they're still resistant to common sense.[/quote]What exactly in this daft post relates to the thread?

aletheia:
@Tudor
I apologise if my contribution displeases you. But my position remains if you are genuinely convinced of the non-existence of god by posit a question that assumes that god exists. It means you are being inconsistent to your beliefs. If you do not believe god exists, then it's meaningless asking what he was doing during those 100 days.

I repeat it's for the sake of this discussion that we assume god does exist. Haven't you heard of disproving the God myth by exploring internal inconsistencies? And how'd you do that if not by coming down to the level of the theist .

And BTW you don't have to be condescending towards those whose opinions you disagree with nor retreat into bombast when your assumptions are challenged.

Did I insult you in any way?