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DeepSight:
What do you mean by the bold. Be specific. Do you mean civilization?

A modern western style nation is native to those nations and the peoples of the west. I am not saying civilisation is beyond other peoples or nations, or what civilisation\development should or would look like in those other peoples or nations.

What I am saying is that like the Japanese society is an outworking of their unique history and traditions (and in some respects is like WDN and can readily adapt and\or absorb aspects of them seamlessly if required), you can't expect all development by all peoples and nations to tend towards the WDN model.

Moreso, trying to forcibly impose it where it is contrary to natal inclinations and tendencies is a recipe for disaster - like an organ transplant gone wrong.

DeepSight:
This is actually very true in a sense and if you cannot spot or understand exactly why it is true and exactly why it says alot against the argument that developing nations of today should magically photocopy the development of developed nations, then you dont know anything and you dont pause to think.

The reason why is because it is not natal. Part of the inherent consciousness derived from faith, history, tradition and customs.

DeepSight:
Of course, since in your mind they are incapable racially inferior savages. This statement, jocular or not, says a lot.

As ever, drop your strawmen and faux outrage. Not racially inferior, but savagery certainly exists does it not? And where does that emanate from. Why can Fula pastoralists casually slaughter people who look not too dissimilar and are racially pretty much equivalent?


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DeepSight:
The blacks have been in charge in SA for just three decades and you are ready to condemn them as useless. What is thirty years in the life of a nation - especially one just starting from such a long period of suppression?

That is just shallow and stupid, nothing else to add.

Be honest with yourself. The modern western developed nation is not natal to sub-saharan Africans.

People of sub-saharan ethnicity can flourish in every position and at every point within a WDN, and those who grow up in that milea are no different in essence from indigenous westerners.

The problem is that at scale, sub-saharans do not have the wherewithal to create what is not native to them. It is clear-eyed reality.

Admit it, if we emptied the UK and filled it with Nigerians, it would decline rapidly until it was a facsimile of Nigeria. It wouldn't hold as is, and it wouldn't get better. Likewise if you emptied Nigeria and filled it with people who grew up in a WDN (of whatever ethnicity), within a decade it would be transformed beyond the levels and imagination of any current SSA nation. Gainsay that all you like!

SA will soon regress to the days of Shaka Zulu


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tctrills:
People like Deepsight and his gang think that the black solution should come from a change in behaviour of the whites. But that's a wrong, lazy and irresponsible way to view the world.

Can blacks be great? Yes but only when they take responsibility and start making the necessary changes.

Yes there have been historic injustice done to blacks but I am more impressed by the historic victories given to blacks.

Slavery was ended , segregation was ended, apartheid was ended. The only question now is what do we do with these victories?

No mind am.

Black-majority rule kicked in barely a generation ago and SA is already a failing state. Deepsight argues they need time, and can't say how much. As if of a necessity, it has to get worse - to the point of failure - before it gets better .

It was a fully functioning modern state. It has now regressed to Naija levels, and spiralling. Nothing new had to be invented. Just continue as was. If they knew they couldn't run it why not transition in an orderly fashion? So now we know, power =\= wherewithal.

When their leader went ahead to marry a 5th\6th\7th? Wife I knew it was back to the Kraals for them.


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Zahra29:
Lol @ the bolded. You are clearly not following UK politics.

That is correct. What they do is bring a colossal sense of entitlement , and demand - almost by sheer force of will - that British politics bends to serve their - immigrant - best interest. Regardless of wider concerns or true national interest.

Zahra29:
To borrow your analogy, Aunty K has been sweeping KS into the cupboard lately. Her performance today in the King's Speech debate was strong and hilarious.

I only give cursory regard to politics - it's mostly theatre. But I've watched a few of her outings in PMQ's, and to be honest she is on a roll - and growing in sttature. Punchy and really polished performances.

I take a dim view of our current crop of politicians - across the board - narry a statesman amongst them. But KB is definitely stand-out at the moment, and as a leader, putting daylight amongst herself and the pack - within and without.

Zahra29:
Her personal approval rating is higher than all the other major party leaders, and no one is calling for her resignation unlike Starmer who is likely to exit the "equation or dancefloor" soon.

Agreed. I also think some of the things I thought may hamper her are turning in her favour as the "unknown unknowns" come into play.

Her ethnicity which I thought would hinder, is a growing strength as she can stand against anti-semitism without the burden some indigenous politicians have. She is undeniably bold, forthright and the closest to calling out ee.slam.eek extremism which is coming more to the fore. Jenrick is vanquished and there don't appear to be any within her party not on-side with her leadership.

I thought she ascended too soon, but with the disarray within the Labour party playing out, the emergence of the Greens and splitting of the vote amongst other right parties, the run up may serve her well.

More lead time to establish her standing within the party, deliver stellar performances and repair some of the damage to her party. If Reform don't perform, there may be returnee Tory voters. Possibly a position in a coalition government?

In all, I wish her well. It would tickle me to bits to see do well and the attending howls and choking all over this thread. They hate her because she's not like them and doesn't do what they demand.


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DeepSight:
Well said. So on point.

How can anyone read what you attached and still vomit the gibberish raumdeuter and benalvino3, bemeruca, Tctrills and TV01 still do?

Incomprehensible.

Please stop.

I've already pointed out the shallowness and ultimate futility of your argument.
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/6045#139313829\

Firstly, no one denies there has been historic injustices, or even ongoing discrimination against minorities. That does not mean that there are no in-group pathologies that are hampering FBA's and those should not be addressed.

Secondly, that's not even proof that extant discrimination s the major factor holding FBA's back. Other minorities are able to rise above and flourish despite disadvantages. And, FBA's would be served better by striving against all odds and not cloaking themselves in the cape of victimhood - hint, it's not a superpower. It's an enervator, a block to self-reflection and only serves to widen the gap.

Thirdly, your "it's all about historic injustice and can't be solved until an unquantifiable amount of time has passed, robs them of the moment, the ability to seize the day, absolving them of the responsibility to make real progress under their own steam - regardless of what others do, say or think of them.

As does your "all the causal factors are external to the people and have been explained by scholarly research". Not too mention your "blacks can;t flourish until racism ceases to exist. Because Juice don't lead in pretty much everything of note, despite being fewer than FBA's and literally having half the world against them.

The bolded is the hallmark of a real people, a viable nation. It's why nonsense talk of carving out a self-sustaining black nation within the US is the most laughable pipe dream.

Listen carefully. To live in a developed country FBAs need white people and the order and structure they afford. They (FBAs) simply don't have the collective wherewithal or critical mass as it stands to go it alone. And deep down they know it - and so do you, and all those who flee native black countries for western nations .


TV

..and don;t think I haven;t noticed how you never answer questions

jedisco:
The funny thing is that 3-5yrs ago, if I encountered a similar post on NL, I'd be wondering to myself who this person is. But with what I know of the UK today, I'm over 90% certain that bloke lives off benefits. I can just about imagine him speak. It's the pomposity of such people that did my head in

You are 90% certain that a "bloke" you have never met is on benefits, but have 0% clue about the when, the what and the why of how your homeland will develop - despite it being your lived experience . Your low-brow nature is typical. Can't make a decent attempt at even a simple case for his assertions, so resorts to ad hominem and personal attacks. Unsurprising crassness from one who spams the thread with his financial statements. Bragging about a 70k pension pot, talk about small and shake. Utter tit!

jedisco:
Is there something they put in certain British kpali that people get high when they receive it?

That is a question you'd have to pose to those that "receive it" - especially in preference to their homeland "kpali".

And like the small minded tribal creature you are, you cannot grasp notions of patriotism or even commonwealth, let alone love and the desire for flourishing of one' nation. Driven only by your belly, grift and a desire for self-aggrandisement.

And lo, your fellow ship abandoning pack come crawling out . If only they could find or post something worthy of a response. As the nation, so the people.


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THEDEEPSIGHT:
Let me use an analogy to make it simple for even the smallest brain.
Tctrills, raumdeuter, bemeruca, basilico, TV01, I cannot make it simpler than this.

If you can't make it simpler than this, then it's futile. My brain is clearly microscopic .

Your analogy fails for a number of reasons. Not least because it is not reducible to 2 individuals - as if all black people are relatively underprivileged and all white people are over-privileged. What ails the underprivileged white people - who have always been with us?

Secondly, there are myriad actions that have been taken to redress the historical wrongs which no one denies. A big flaw with your position is the inability to accept any merit in the opposing argument and the sad resort to slurs and tantrums - that clearly demonstrates weakness.

The pathways and drive to ensure equal opportunities for all are such, that endemic pathologies have to be considered. And it's a legitimate view that resolving those will drive more gains for FBA than anything else. You typically descend into a dark supremacist rhetoric when challenged or countered. Again weak.

Happy to forego your endless callouts if you cannot accept there are natal pathologies in the FBA and proffer real solutions, instead of your "billions and billions of years and trillions and trillions of dollars", i.e. never, never and it's all whiteys fault approach .

I'm mostly fond of everyone here regardless - even if I take no prisoners sometimes . But some of the content is just rabid. lacking in nuance or due consideration and is oft times just reverb. Please.


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NerdCat:
While I find the evidentiary landscape barren on both counts, I should note here that evidence for a creator isn't synonymous with evidence for an omnibenevolent, omnipotent one. There's quite a gap there - and it's pulling serious overtime.

You are free to your view. Mine is different. I am sufficiently convinced by the evidence there is that there is a Creator, and that He is perfect in all His ways. How could He not be.

NerdCat:
If the bounds of my finite understanding disqualify me from indicting the divine, they equally disqualify you from vindicating it. You cannot selectively invoke epistemic humility only when it serves your argument. Forward from that point: a God whose goodness is structurally unverifiable is also a God whose goodness is functionally meaningless as a claim. To wit, you have not expanded the argument, but have quietly dissolved it by making it unfalsifiable on demand. I don't necessarily think you're arguing in bad faith, but you are arguing with a framework that immunises itself against every challenge by simply retreating into inscrutability.

You do realise that for believers faith is a factor. If "verifiaility" is beyond us, who is to say? Could you explain what you mean by structurally - is that within what you'd call a logical framework, or something else?

NerdCat:
And how exactly does "worked out" constitute a response to a logical problem? You've described a feeling of assurance, not a solution to the structural incompatibility between omnipotence and preventable suffering. Faith that everything eventually resolves doesn't address whether a morally perfect omnipotent being would permit the specific suffering in question to occur at all. That is the actual argument, and you've moved cleanly past it without engaging it. There's little here that constitutes a counter-argument rather than a restatement of belief.

Why does suffering "have to be prevented". Why is incumbent on The Creator to ensure there is no suffering? Christianity portrays "suffering" as an outworking of disobedience by mankind - for which warning was given. For beings created out of and for love, freewill has to be a part of the mix.

NerdCat:
That analogy doesn't hold, and I'll tell you why. First, the surgeon operates within knowable causal chains and with the patient's eventual consent, while an omnipotent deity operates under neither constraint and with total foreknowledge of the outcome before the disease even forms. Second, the surgeon cannot prevent the disease. Omnipotence, by definition, can. So you're comparing a limited agent doing their best with an unlimited one choosing not to.

Omnipotence acts likewise - with certain knowledge of the mercy and justness of the outcome. Again, you claim to know what is best. How? What is your framework for determining this?

NerdCat:
I'm afraid the emotional charge of an example has zero bearing on its logical weight. I think you're simply struggling to distinguish between rhetorical intensity and argumentative precision. I cited children with brain tumours because the causal chain is clean and agent-neutral, not because I'm appealing to your sympathy rather than your reason.

Suffering is suffering. If you charge Omnipotence within your framework with the ability and foreknowledge to forestall it, why make any distinction?

NerdCat:
Simple: human agents cause those harms precisely because omnipotence permits them to, which merely relocates the problem rather than dissolving it - and now you must explain why a morally perfect omnipotent being permits the enabling conditions at all. Besides, you're widening the scope as though that helps your case when it doesn't. If anything, it multiplies the problem considerably. It's worth noting I never excluded human-caused suffering from the indictment. I used the tumour case because it surgically - pun intended 😎 - removes the human-agency variable, nothing more.

I have indicated why within my faith framework. I don't so much see a widening as no reason to restrict it. Omnipotence is in view is it not? .


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jedisco:
Now that spambot abi mods don free me... mk I continue my mussings.

As in, I ran, and am now sneaking back under cover of darkness. - a true Naija guyman . And take it from an ill-educated overly-verbose Brit - you've overegged the essess in musing .

jedisco:
First- At what point in the psyche of some first/second gen migrants do they start seeing themselves as the 'chosen group' 'better than others' or 'gatekeepers'? This is rampant even in politics today- folks whose parents came on a boat or as asylum seekers (not that any of that matters) would turn around and say 'my parents were not like them' when referring to perfectly legal residents. What's worse is that it's mainly on recent migrants dem dey get power.

Tha's not your problem. Your problem is your inferiority complex and unwillingness to leave your lawlessness and backwardness at the border - to properely integrate. To appreciate this nation and show some goodwill about the fact that you are here!

jedisco:
It's no longer enough to be here or even be a citizen. You now have to be part of their special group of ever-increasing senselessness. We'd soon be hearing phrases with 'we the Brits hardcore', Brit XL, Brit promax. Abi Brit-Roman, Brit-AngloSaxon, Brit-Jute e.t.c. Personally, na Brit-landlord group I dey wait. Na that one be my calling.

No one does or is doing that. It's all in your head and a ruse to cover your home-nation lagging and lacking basic civilisational quality. Evidenced by the sly brag you included at the end. . You are nothing more than a "greefter" with a bloated self-regard. True to type.

jedisco:
In all, opinions are like a**holes... everybody has one.
...

True. But one is not meant to talk out of it .


TV

This has to be one of the most pathetic and weak responses I have ever come across - on anything, anywhere. Is that it? After being unable to adequately respond or make any kind of decent a case for a discussion point you yourself raised, you regress to slurs and accusations? It's worse for Nigeria and Nigerians than I actually thought.

jedisco:
I'd respond to both your quotes at once.

What you have written is not a response. Unless you can call the recent outings of people like Daniel Bwala and Lai Mohammed responses - it's closer to the open defecation you are probably well familiar with.

jedisco:
Your writings are too verbose' rash and scattered for someone who considers his 'we group' to be the 'true Brits'. One thing I appreciate about the British is their use of the language. A properly educated Brit would say/write same thing you said but in few lines while still passing across the same meaning.

This is just poor. Whatever the quality of my writing, what I described was "patriotism". Based solely on a legitimate right to be here and based on a love for the flourishing of this nation - not any other personal characteristic or attribute. Not ability or the lack thereof.

But why am I not surprised. Notions such as patriotism, a sense of commonwealth, the rule of law, high-trust societies and the like can't compute with the likes of you. People who cannot see beyond their tribalism and inordinate desire for self-aggrandisement.

jedisco:
It must take a special form of emptiness to feel the need to always voice ones nationality on a faceless forum. One would ask- is that all there is to your life?

I wouldn't know? Are you able to show instances. I can't help your inability to comprehend reality, or your denial of the fact that there is currently nothing to evidence the claim that Nigeria will ever make it to a level of basic self-owned decency. Indeed, your ramblings here prove it. Your rubbish would make Reno Omokri Blush and FFK call in sick .

jedisco:
The problem we have in the UK today is when folks like you who are probably on benefits with little or no economic contribution have an overinflated ego thinking we're still in the days of the British empire when in actual fact that's long gone and the current generation face the prospect of having poorer outcomes than their parents.

The problem "we" . You cant make this up. Are you reading yourself - you can determine "we", but I can't present my own opinion .

The fact that basic welfare is available - not whether I am in receipt of it or not - is testament against your mentality and your country' inability to manage even the basics. It takes a certain kind of compassion,, benevolence and regard for others to have social welfare.

Yes, we understand the empire is part of a great past. That empire is no more. We know that things are not as good as were, even taking a downturn. But we still love old Blighty and aren't majorly running off to grift and crap over other nations with regressive behaviour, backward practices and lawlessness.

Now, any blueprint, pathway, vision, models, data, thumbnail or any other evidence to the fact that Nigeria will at some point make reasonable progress in terms of development - not assertions, claims, or sheer "force of will" because Jedi-Jedisco, assures us it will happen .


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tctrills:
Take me through your thought process

...ah ! You'd have more joy with plankton . Indiscriminately firing neurons aplenty.


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tctrills:
The foster care system is not perfect, the adoption system is not perfect, even growing up with your biological parents is never perfect but to think that killing the child is the solution, how does that make sense?

One weeps. For the utter depravity and casual way it is spelt out. I am never really shocked, but my gosh !


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DeepSight:
Will you shattap and kneel down at once? How dare you speak to a gentle, kind, gracious, humble, polite and unobtrusive personage such as myself in such a manner.

...because, and to be honest, behind the bogus scholarly facade you like to present, you are a bit of a tit really. Just saying. I can't shake the feeling you are either never married or divorced .


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DeepSight:
Lazy, simplistic, daft and most unscholarly.

Oga, your pathologies are writ clear. On full view here. Inter-alia, faux outrage over differences. Petulant tantrums when you don't get your way. Wishing death or non-existence on strangers due to mere political disagreement. And your self-regard is off the charts .

Heaven-high hyperbolic statements of disbelief. Poly-monikering and a obsessive insistence on being right - always having to have the last word. You fawn like a political hack and at once hate like a paid propagandist.

Speak true, do you have healthy happy relationships outside of here? Those who report to you or rely on your benevolence must walk around on eggshells.

Please, anything we can do to help?


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NerdCat:
Have you clocked yet, by the way, that the assertion "your understanding is too finite to indict God" renders it equally too finite to recognise, trust, or worship Him? That blade, my friend, is double-edged - thoroughly and symmetrically so.

I disagree. Evidence for a creator abounds. My faith is historically attested too. Evidenced.

NerdCat:
Nobody claimed mercy was God's sole attribute. My dissatisfaction has hardly anything to do with the subject. The problem here is the logical structure of omnipotence colliding with observable reality, which no inventory of additional divine attributes actually resolves. Holiness doesn't explain tumours in children. Justice, interestingly, makes the problem worse, because justice applied to a child who has committed nothing arguably demands intervention. As for my righteousness being irrelevant - that's correct, and also entirely beside the point. My argument stands or falls on its own merits, independent of my moral CV. Attacking my standing rather than my logic is the oldest deflection in the catalogue.

Again, you rightly limit your observations to "observable reality". That was my point - not an attack on your morality, but your ability to take into account, or even all the relevant dynamic.

All of God's attributes work in tandem. Actions by other players in the cosmos earthly and heavenly have consequences. Faith assures me that God has this all worked out. Whilst there may be pain and suffering now, redemption will come to all those who put their faith in Him.

NerdCat:
The same thing that makes you able to measure proportionality when you declare the plan ultimately just and good: basic moral reasoning applied to observable evidence. You can't simultaneously claim proportionality is assessable when it favours your theology and completely inaccessible when it inconveniently doesn't.

Your take is temporal. A surgeon rips open a mans chest to perform open heart surgery. Tat is harm, damage, but the end thereof is healing. One who was limited view of only the ripping may come to a different conclusion.

NerdCat:
If all suffering is preventable under omnipotence, the moral responsibility calculus becomes total, not partial, so congratulations on that own goal. The fact that I keep bringing up brain tumours in children is me giving you a concrete, causally clean case. I focus there precisely because it resists your "human actions" deflection most ruthlessly. Scope it however broadly you like, the problem scales with you.

Just filling out your postulation. Resorting to an emotional use-case is not required. If you declare omnipotence is responsible for and to alleviate pain, harm and suffering, surely it must be the totality of it?

The parent who abandons their offspring and leads to lots f hurt and poorer outcomes. The one who leaves a supposedly committed realationship causing heartbreak. Random muggings, assaults, terror attacks, wars, along with a host of other things all cause pain, harm or suffering. Why not charge omnipotence with them as well?


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LordReed:
Nope but they would be responsible if they didn't do what is in their power to do. You lot claim your god is all powerful, yet he does nothing to prevent any of the suffering we see.

People come up with changes that advance humanity and they are responsible if others decide to use them in harmful or destructive way?

Yes my God is all powerful, knows all things and is everywhere present. Why should He do anything to prevent suffering to those who refuse to acknowledge Him, wilfully disobey His commands, nor seek or serve Him. Your demand is that He do good as you see it and on your terms .

Wait.


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DeepSight:
Here again you fail to understand that just as wealth is inherited, poverty is inherited and for that reason alone it will take generations to even things out after centuries of unspeakable discrimination, economic marginalization of the worst kind and all. So its not a simple question of saying "what rights are they denied today?" That is terribly simplistic and even you should know better than that.

What wealth did Japanese Americans inherit? Or the Irish or Italian. The Nigerian or the Ghanaian nko?

Stay in school - to degree level if possible. Get gainfully employed. Get married, and be sure to do so before you have children. Simples. If relatively poor, there are all kinds of assistance, grants, awards and scholarships. Myriad programmes and DEI initiatives. It's actaually harder not to have a modicum of success. But love of grift and a propensity to lawlessness no go gree you !


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DeepSight:
Look at you. In Nigeria alone the mistake of 1914 is still haunting us big time. Na lie?

In your own words, please explain how - briefly please. Ta!


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DeepSight:
TV01, I was going to respond to your last post but it has disappeared. I see you were banned eh? There you go. So who is the trash talker now? I saw all the vulgar stuff you wrote there.

TV is never vulgar . I suspect you have mod permissions and employ them to hide posts you find hurty !

DeepSight:
Two basic things - If indeed you accept that multiple factors are responsible for the situation with black families, why do you zero in on welfare for them as the cause / central theme? And why would you - and anyone - swat aside the obvious economic deprivation inherited from centuries of discrimination, segregation, prejudice and economic marginalization?

Not all black issues stem from the "centuries of discrimination, segregation, prejudice and economic marginalization". Further, using that as a fig leaf to hide behind and a cosh to ward off scrutiny harms black families. As do other social pathologies, especially amongst FBAs. For many black and non-FBA blacks, this whole discrimination\raycist bag is typically a grifters charter.

DeepSight:
I really think some of you need a proper course on this matter. Because its as though you have no clue whatsoever what went down. In your minds, black Americans are simply genetically lazy ne'er do wells.

Nope, I don;t need a course in languishing in victimhood, growing an insufferable entitlement or refusing to take charge and map my own destiny with everything I have - stand or fail. People are short, broke, disabled, crippled, blind, barren, orphans, living in war-torn countries and challenged in all manner of ways. What is it?

Every group or community of people have at some point in history suffered setbacks, marginalisation or wide-scale trauma. Making those experiences your habitation will only have a compounding effect.

Similar to individual relationships. Have a bad one? Ok, pick yourself up, dust yourself down and get on with life. If you choose to become a misandrist or misogynist and spend all your time wailing about how wicked the opposite sex are, that's your baggage. At some point, no one will care, and no one will want to hear it. Free will bro .


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raumdeuter:
Is rape even a crime in the ME when a woman raped is mandated to marry the rapist or the punishment is to bring the rapist sister to be raped back in return while the judges watch and applaud

...or if she can't find 4 male witnesses to her violation, she is in turn accused of adultery and likely stoned to death. People who argue for the cultural and scoietal superiority of the ME over the West and actually move there are as rare as unicorns .


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THEDEEPSIGHT:
I should not waste my time. You could not possibly ever grasp the impact of long lasting discrimination on black people and its correlation to the bold. You probably think black families tended to be like that because they are simply inferior and animalistic.

I keep telling you there is science to these things.
But you prefer the provincial ignorance you are acquainted with.

Lagos lout with your potty mouth. Did you get banned . It's not your potty mouth that irritates the most, it's your bone-headedness .

Even during the slave era in the US, black people managed to maintain a sembelence of pair-bonding. Post slavery, the rates were pretty much level with other communities.

Once the US govt started to hand out free cash with prompts which incentivised single-motherhood, things took a turn for the worse. Not everything is directly related to historical discrimination. Although I do understand how believing so gives a near fail-safe position and strips away the need for any form of critical thinking .


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DeepSight:
Picking on one thing the way you guys do to denigrate blacks is just shameful. Its like saying whites are useless since most serial killers are white.

The breakdown of the family affected the whole of the black community and impeded its advance. Serial killers do not have the same broad-based impact on the white community.

Obviously not one of the urbane, educated leftists you were describing . Is there no end to your headache-inducing babble ?


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bemeruca:
You said crap about all white people, we point out that some fought and died to free black people from slavery.

You call house House N, make statements like white people or W Supreme won't love you etc.

You hate white people. That's confirmed

He also hates black people who don't join his hate parade for WP and Juice. Freely and gleefully throwing around slurs such as HN and cooon or variations thereof.

A really hateful person.

tctrills:
Lol
The leftist in you is coming out. Always ready to assassinat everyone you don't agree with. You see superior argument and all you wish is that the opposition never existed. Coward.

Oh yes, and this too. A spewer of tropes and canned ideology. Wrapped up in tantrums dressed as faux outrage .



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DeepSight:
I need to show you proof that the improvement of the lot of a subjugated people IS A GRADUAL PROCESS that takes time, and even generations when they have been subjugated for centuries?

Useless.

Yes please. Examples. Instances from all those scientific studies you spend your time reading !
Perhaps you could deploy the same methodology in your, not gradually, but rapidly spiralling nation.


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DeepSight:
Because of your defense of Tommy Robinson, perhaps?

People accused TR of being racist - I asked for evidence. Detail of broad based harm, or intended harm to black or ethnic minorities in the UK, via his actions individually or as part of an organisation. Non was forthcoming.

DeepSight:
I have never been racist or said anything racist.

You quite clearly despise white people and you are one of this boards foremost haters of "Juice". Repeating AS tropes even after being repeatedly corrected.

But, I don's suppose the Juice care about the opinion of someone scraping out a living in a backwater no one takes seriously. Kinda like me .


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DeepSight:
The improvement of the lot of a people is obviously a gradual process which takes generations - especially when that set of people have been subject to centuries of deprivation and subjugaton!

This is not rocket science!

Is your statement science in any sense?
Please detail or point to instances which can be used to confirm this position.

bemeruca:
But if your argument is that nobody can compare Black outcomes across time without being racist, then you are just avoiding the question.

Abi?


TV

Why was I called out here?
I don't, as a rule discuss people or personalities. Only principles, policies and practice.

And, coming from you, accusations of racism are quite rich don't you think?.


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DeepSight:
I was watching a Youtube show on Charlie Kirk / Erika Kirk. Came across some of his utterances again.

I had to sit back and wonder, befuddled, how people argue that this man was not racist.

His words - verbatim -

KIRK – “When blacks in America did not have the same rights they have today, they were less murderous, there were less break-ins – why is that?”

QUESTIONER – “Are you trying to say that blacks thrive under subjugation?”

KIRK - “No, I am not, I am asking you the question, the data shows they were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad, it was evil, but what happened, something changed.”


How do the likes of raumdeuter, bemeruca, tctrills, TV01, basilico and company wish to spin this.

cc: Ishilove (I copy you because you once claimed to me he was not racist I believe), Ijebos, cococandy

PS: This specific exchange took place during a live event at Utah Valley University (UVU) in Orem, Utah, on September 10, 2025, just before he was shot.