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A win for Trump means the regime must change. Anything less is a fail. If they are able to remain in power, the Ayatollahs will claim victory. Even if there is a great degradation of iIrans military capabilities. Efforts to develop nuclear weapons will be redoubled at a later point.

All so called treaties are mere window dressing. The faith driven war impulse will not diminish and never has. The desire to wipe out Israel, the US and ultimately overrun the globe remains unabated. For ROPers, treaties are jut means to withdraw and regroup until they are ready to resume hostilities - openly or covertly.

The results thus far are not terrible. The 3H proxies disabled, the sponsorship of tear.roar globally diminished, the tyrannical e.slam.hic govenrment in disarray, and hopefully civil unrest is looming which may topple the regime.

Having said that, even if the regime does fall, it may just mean a re-calibration of the e-slam.ic problem. Iran as was, was in constant tension with Saudi Araba - sunni vs shia - for e.slamic dominance. With Iran gone, SA (or even Turkey) could step-up their agitation for e.slamic dominance, without the internecine in-fighting between sects to hinder them. Everything that weakens e-slam.ic belligerance is all round good.


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DeepSight:
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Whenever you are up for a really serious conversation on the matter, no worries. However to be serious, you simply cannot dismiss sober and serious factors discussed in much profound academic research. Enjoy.

Smashed those bells llke kilode !

Right, where were we?
If said academic research purports reasons for a lack or progress or hinderances to advancement, fine. But that is all backward looking. I'd never get away with that at work. If these profound research tomes can piece together what went wrong, why can't they prescribe a way forward?

Why is academic research needed to deliver basic amenities? A minimum viable societal proposition. Security, healthcare, schools. Why can't basic utilities like water, electricity, or infrastructure like roads be readily delivered?

You need profound academic research to figure out why a country cannot solve for open defecation? This is just weak. Pathetically weak. Absolute denial.

Leave me jor. Let me go and pester my wife!


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DeepSight:
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I have told you that the reasons as vast and complex. There are university research papers done one this matter which are sober and profound. You probably have the limited and unschooled view that its a matter of once race being smart and another being apes.

Nigeria can't solve for for not being able to maintain a national carrier because "vast & complex"....but, but racism...

Trolling you is not even fun - I'm off to swing some bells. Are gorilla rows racist?


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DeepSight:
Without a doubt some societies are more advanced than others and there are many reasons for this. Understanding those reasons should actually help people be less, not more racist. Racist people often think that its a factor of racial superiority (tribalistic / xenophobic people / ethnic chauvnists - also think the same way).

Yes, there are reasons. The question is what are those reasons?

DeepSight:
However the matter is a complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count.

No. These are excuses and grist for the mill of grifters.

Nigeria can;t solve for open defecation because " complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count."

The requirements to build a minimal viable society or functioning country are not difficult. They are all known, and can literally be copied or bought. You can even develop alternative systems.

Japan rebuilt all surrounding infrastructure 10 days after a major earthquake. There's a thread up in here somewhere. I'm happy to agree that Japanese people are in no way superior to Nigerians.

Id like to understand why Nigeria cannot demonstrate this - almost basic - level of civilisational wherewithal. Japan's climate is clearly less forgiving. no? Abi it's because of flower?


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IjeBos:
So, it's not that you can't read the words, it's that you don't understand them.
Point out where I said she was my girlfriend.

Kiss & Tell as a flex In this age Haba!


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DeepSight:
My issue with you was two things, one was a sort of broad claim you made that I was nasty to people over the Gaza issue (and that was not really an issue as you are entitled to that opinion, I know I can be strident).
Firstly, I did not make the "Nasty" comment. That was someone else and noted here in the last few days. I dismantled you false historical narrative about the Jewish people and their territorial claim to the land of Israel. Strident? You throw tantrums and seethe like a spoilt child.

[quote author=DeepSight post=138834928]But the second one was unbelievable: your claim that Tommy Robinson is not racist/.

If you can show that Tommy Robinson has an agenda to harm or disadvantage black people or minorities in the UK, then I will agree he's a rascist. The Tommy Robinson I see is firstly a patriot, who raised the alarm about parki, moose slim ray.ape gangs. Granted he had a bit of a misspent youth and was I believe a football hooligan at one point.

Your piqued obsession with racism to the extent you support evil people as long as they are not - in your view - racist. is toxifying the discussion here.

DeepSight:
As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.

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raumdeuter:
This same you?
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/4121#129507227

Can tell stories - tales by moonlight, can't answer questions.


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^{DeepSight, where are you. I'd like to troll you. As you can tell, I 'm bored. Have you gotten over your crush on me?}

I quoted you - the claim you made.
I don't care about Fela, his music or to know what he meant in his lyrics. You said this "You guys worship whiteness. See whiteness as better".
A specific reference to people on this thread. That is what I clearly responded to.

Over 2 posts, I asked several questions related to belief and perception. None of which you responded too. Rather you resorted to the same tired slurs - people who still prostrate themselves to whiteness.

I said in my first post that I had no expectations and gave you leave to "rest" in my second. No problem if you can't answer the questions.

Moving on. Is it true you flash your US passport and like white maidens


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IjeBos:
This was your first post on this.
So, the view that there are black people who see whiteness as superior is one of my own devising even though Fela wrote a song about it in the 70's?
Is that not nonsensical to you?

So, ask yourself, if you were I, would you waste your time on someone who said something that silly?
The answer is no.
So, I'll respect myself and leave you to whatever rationalization you have created for people who still prostrate themselves to whiteness.
You, Basilico, Bemeruca and Raumdeuter can explore why you think Black people were better off as slaves together.
Or rationalize white people calling black people monkeys.
You know all those outdated tropes.
I'm sure it'll be some very enlightening conversation.

IjeBos:
Huh?
You're not seriously writing this.

Actually I am. And you've neatly skirted my point and my posers

IjeBos:
Yes, I'm the one who made up the word colo-mentality and also wrote the lyrics to the song.
Jesus
There are people in this thread who absolutely see whiteness as better.

Care less about the song. That wasn't my entry point. Maybe they don't see "whiteness as better", just acknowledge that some societies are better ordered, are able to build and maintain functioning institutions and are more technologically advanced. Higher up the civilisational curve one might say.

They fact that they acknowledge that some countries (many white) without at once blaming (white people), for the backwardness of their own countries of origin (mostly black). Doesn't mean that they see "whiteness as superior". And, even if they do, and, you feel that they are wrong, make the point - racial slurs don't do that.

Conversely, not owning the situation in your own(black) countries and trying to unrelentingly pin it other countries\people can be seen as grifting at best.

Are the Fulani as far up the civilisational curve as the Swedes or the Australians? If not, and if it's not due to the superiority of the Swedes or the Australians, what is it down too? What about the English and the Romanians or the Albanians?

Feel free to explain causality amongst people groups, regions or countries., where race is not a factor. Once your only recourse boils down to race, race, race, you can't ever broaden the discussion or have anything other than a blinkered or ideological view.

Or riddle us this. Are the Fulani as civilisationally advanced as the Yoruba or the Igbo? Where is the colour dimension here.

IjeBos:
People who advocate that black people were better off as slaves so they could have been in the US.
Their general disposition has radiated out so much that their black child uses a white child as her avatar and he seems proud of it. Is that a surprise?

Sounds mostly like your perception. Not an argument I would necessarily make, but black Americans are the most prosperous black people anywhere in the world. When I grew up in the UK , Bruce Lee, Muhammed Ali and Pelé were the posters on every boys wall. So what?

IjeBos:
The level of depth and self-introspection in this forum is always disappointing.
Honestly, having unpleasant thoughts about yourself is ok.
It's the start ofgrowth.
Try it.

Maybe you should introspect on the fact hat you are only able to channel this as black vs white and cope by deploying largely outdated and mostly unrelated tropes, suggests introspection is something you may benefit from.

I can see why you avoided the questions. Rest.


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IjeBos:
You guys worship whiteness. See whiteness as better. Some here even go as far as pretending to live in the US as somehow that association with whiteness makes you better.

Firstly that trope is one of your own devising - has anyone ever made that claim? Secondly, rightly or wrongly, people are allowed their personal beliefs and perceptions. Since you introduced the notion, could you please state your belief or perception vis-á-vis
is whiteness better than blackness (or any other colour, or non-whiteness)?
is whiteness the same as blackness?
is whiteness inferior to blackness?

Derogatory statement against "black" people because they don't subscribe to your positions on "colour" or racial dynamics is a good pointer to where the real racism lies.

No expectations, just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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Because the Lord of Hosts has blessed me with a wife - and I don't feel the need to supplement her with wifelets or secs slaves and have my "right" to beat them codified into law.

Marriage typifies the relationship between Christ and His Church - that up there doesn't

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Come to Christ. Hope to see you at the wedding supper of The Lamb.


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Gabrielshow24:
It's a sensitive topic for our ’cousins’, ’Abrahamic cousins👀’.

As far as I am aware, although this is widely believed and quoted by many, it's really just another bogus assertion by ROPers. There is no evidence to support the claim Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. And of course, nothing - other than false claims - to suggest that Abraham or Ishmael were moose slims.


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Antlisiam:
I get one Hadith but mods won't allow it to stay. Come see the shape of their gurls in alujana

Just the reference please.


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Because The Living God has blessed me with a son - and l don't want him growing up with a deep-seated hatred of Jews or Christians or people of other faiths or no faith at all. And, l don't want him to think routinely deceasing any of the aforementioned is a good thing and pleasing to God.


Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

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Antlisiam:
The man is enjoying himself in alujana with his 72 fagin

I also understand that they have huge bress, like bouncy castle . Is that true?

If i wanted to attract 7th century arabian mercenaries, brigands, thugs and miscreants to my cause, what would l promise then. hmmmm, let me think? How about ashawo, igbo, shayo and a straight to heaven pass if you die fighting for the cause. Please add incredibly gullible to my earlier list .


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vedaxcool:
he said nuclear armament, yet even the esptien cesspit you follow do not make such uninnntellligent subpar claims!

He couldn't successfully provide "pure water for his citizens".

From Al Ja Zeera 0! - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/12/as-the-dams-feeding-tehran-run-dry-iran-struggles-with-a-dire-water-crisis
Academic Study too - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-026-01784-0 & https://e360.yale.edu/features/iran-water-drought-dams-qanats

In addition to inverted morals, brain-rot and bloodthirstiness, I neglected to add strong delusion. ROPers will say and\or believe anything to make themselves feel and look good or press the case for their beliefs - no matter how far-fetched, how unbelievably asinine how ahistorical or how contradicted by facts or data.

Regressive in thought, tyrannical by design, Almajiri by nature, tear.roar.wrists at heart.

Come to Christ for a new heart and transformed nature.


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vedaxcool:
Aside repeating what the Epstein cesspit says do you have any sensible point to make? thousands of citizens not 6 million ? keep making up nonsense!

Is that it? Deflection! In defence of a brutal tyrant. As part - and later leader for decades - of a tyrannical regime, he was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of his fellow citizens - almost universally of the same faith.

And you defend that? Let's not mention the brutal repression of women which could mean "offing"for incorrectly wearing a headscarf? Not to mention his funding of proxy militias that wreaked havoc and destruction.. You hail that? You celebrate that and accord him the title of mar.tar and the one who receives him as god?

Apart from rotting the brain and inverting all morals, "it" engenders a bloodthirstiness" unrivalled by anything else. Truly dae.mon inspired. If there are no unb3li3v3rs to d3ecease, no problem, b3l3iv3rs will do just fine.


Come to Christ and be washed clean. What a filthy spirit .


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Because the living God has blessed me with a daughter - something so heinously senseless and tragic could never be done in his name.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm



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Because if I ever have to choose between water and life for my citizens and nukes and death for my enemies, I would like to be rightly guided.


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Because, too accept it would be to accept shar.ree.yah law as the governance structure and ruling framework. Shar.ree.yah is unable to build thriving economies or create and sustain the institutions required for progressive societies or advancement.

Look around the globe, there is no country which implements shar.ree.yah, which has not suffered from it's retrograde effects. Name one shar.ree.yah run nation with a thriving economy, democratic institutions and a full suite of human rights. Told you!

Evidenced closer to home by the impoverished and backward state of the northern part of Nigeria. After 25 years of shar.ree.yah, the promise and expectations have not only failed to materialise, it's been quite the opposite. Failing and woefully behind the south in all indicators


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A mar tar? Whose people were literally dying of thirst while he accumulated munitions and unblinkingly pursued nuclear armament?


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Antlisiam:
This 1-0-1 fasting

. Binary code fasting.

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I can't accept it because I choose to serve a Holy God, who says be ye holy, even as God is holy. I reject a purported god who claims to apportion adultery to every man.

1 Peter 1:15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,
1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
James 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

(5)Chapter: The Son Of Adam's Share Of Zina Etc. Is Decreed For Him(5)باب قُدِّرَ عَلَى ابْنِ آدَمَ حَظُّهُ مِنَ الزِّنَى وَغَيْرِهِ ‏ ‏
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) as saying:

Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in, and which he of necessity must commit. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look, and the adultery of the tongue is the licentious speech, the heart desires and yearns, which the parts may or may not put into effect.
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَعَبْدُ بْنُ حُمَيْدٍ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لإِسْحَاقَ - قَالاَ أَخْبَرَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَعْمَرٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ طَاوُسٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ، قَالَ مَا رَأَيْتُ شَيْئًا أَشْبَهَ بِاللَّمَمِ مِمَّا قَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَتَبَ عَلَى ابْنِ آدَمَ حَظَّهُ مِنَ الزِّنَى أَدْرَكَ ذَلِكَ لاَ مَحَالَةَ فَزِنَى الْعَيْنَيْنِ النَّظَرُ وَزِنَى اللِّسَانِ النُّطْقُ وَالنَّفْسُ تَمَنَّى وَتَشْتَهِي وَالْفَرْجُ يُصَدِّقُ ذَلِكَ أَوْ يُكَذِّبُهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ عَبْدٌ فِي رِوَايَتِهِ ابْنِ طَاوُسٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ سَمِعْتُ ابْنَ عَبَّاسٍ ‏.‏

How?

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BAILMONEY:
Nobody dey craze here bruh, I am just being rational. Islam didn’t start with Prophet Muhammad. Islam means submission to one God, and all prophets, Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, preached the same message.
Judaism started later with Abraham and Zoroastrianism came with Zarathustra. So Islam is older

You claim Abraham preached the same message as all the prophets "submission to one God", and at once stated "he started Judaism". Can you see the contradiction? If Aam was a muslim, and he came before Abraham, who prached the same message, why did Abraham introduce Judaism

Not to mention the revealed God of Judaism was not known as allah, yet islam claims Abraham was on of it's prophets - one has to convolute in an attempt to make islamic claims stick or even plausible.


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IjeBos:
Yes, speaking to the guy who went to some of the best and most Competitive schools in the world.
Oga, go rest and focus on this deep insecurity you have that makes you dislike your own skin.

Succeeding in securing entry into one such school is quite notable. Several is highly commendable - very well done.
But, doesn't that make you a poster child for raumdeuter's argument? Taking it as read it was all on merit, not AA, quotas etc.


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Because I can't accept a god with no name, who has never spoken or revealed himself to mankind. Or a profit with no provenance or lineage. No prophecy, no foretelling and no witnesss. Or scriptures that a re copied, plagiarised, fabricated, contradictory and a very hard read. Like kilode!

Come to the God of The Bible. The Living God. The everlasting God. Yahweh, The I am, that I am, in Whose image we are made. Who revealed Himself to His creation in Christ Jesus. How sweet the sound!


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BAILMONEY:
Samklef Is Actually Correct — Islam Is Older Than Christianity

No, it is not. There is no record of islam before the 8th century. No historical records, no artefacts, no mention of Mecca, nothing. Nada, zero, zilch.

BAILMONEY:
Many people are attacking Samklef for saying Islam is older than Christianity, but if you understand Islamic teachings, what he said is not wrong.

Islamic teachings are all bogus assertions, false claims, contrived narratives, fables, just-so-stories, tales by moonlight and lies. And lots of copy, copy

BAILMONEY:
In Islam, the religion did not start with Prophet Muhammad. Islam means submission to the will of God, and Muslims believe that all prophets from the beginning preached the same message worship one God.

No one worshipped a diety called allah before the 7th century.

BAILMONEY:
Prophets like Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus Christ are all considered Muslims in the sense that they submitted to one God.

Till this day, many worship one God and are not muslims. The Jews (whose prophets you are trying to steal) worshipped one God - and his name was not allah.

BAILMONEY:
Even Jesus Christ himself preached the worship of one God.

As above

BAILMONEY:
The religion called Christianity developed later after his time.

Yes now, but still before the worship of allah and islam

BAILMONEY:
So from the Islamic perspective, Islam is the original message of monotheism that existed long before Christianity as an organized religion.

Said perspective is skewed and based on falsehood.

BAILMONEY:
People may disagree, but Samklef’s statement reflects what Islam teaches that the message of submission to one God existed from the time of the earliest prophets.

islam is reaching - unsuccessfully.


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vedaxcool:
The Munafiqoons, Zalimuns, Kuffars And Taghautoons kill a man we may as well describe as the last Muslim Leader in the West Asia, a man with uncommon decency and faith. May Allah accept his martyrdom and grant him al jannatul firdus.

A believer who deceased tens of thousands of his own citizens is considered decent and a mar tar? The one who "accepts him as a mar tar" cannot be god.


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