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Because the despotic tyrannical regime in Tehran just murdered a wrestler - one of Iran's star athletes.

Why - because he protested against the regime
How - a confession extracted by torture, charges were trumped up and a kangaroo court was held by e-slameek "scholars"..
What was the charge - "making war against God".

No country in the world kills it citizens like Iran - The Islamic republic of Iran.

No be only mature mind - basic humanity, conscience and a true fear of God. Nuff said.


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budaatum:
I did not slur you. I simply quoted the part of your post that I wanted to refer to. Those who read me, since my response to you is not only to be read by you, know very well that I do that, so please stop victimising yourself.

Mostly waffle. Try not to ascribe things to me or presume you know how or what I am thinking. Or put another way, stop thinking your soi-disant buddhic utterances have any import.

Now to your evidence against TR.

I hope you note that the first sub-heading of your "research" clearly states "alleged". Nothing has been proven.

2024 UK Riots - so you believe TR incited the riot, not the horrifically brutal murder of 3 young girls and the attempted offing of numerous others - by a rabid muslim. One of the victims had 88 stab wounds. Your persuasion is that racism was the prima facie cause? If TR was responsible for incitement, why wasn't he charged? It's a criminal offence.

Finsbury Park Mosque attack 2017 - Where did TR or the EDL print a manifesto with rammings, or stabbings or bombing? Please remind me, which religion does that as a matter of course. Why wasn't TR or the EDL charged with incitement, which is on the statutes?

2018 violence - Sikhs are amongst TR most ardent supports. The mooslim groomers tried it with Sikh girls first. The Sikhs gave them a "customary" response , so they looked for easier prey. I hadn't previously heard of this so can't comment further. Are attacks on mosques a feature of the UK social landscape? Oh no, that would be attacks on Synagogues - by ROPers!

Libel Case 2021 - TR claims the Syrian immigrant was a serial abuser of English girls. TR investigated this as a citizen journo. In court he was ordered not to publish his reportage, which he did and was found in contempt. Where did it say or how does it prove he hates non-whites?

None of the above prove TR is 1. racist or 2. campaigns to harm minority communities in the UK.


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DeepSight:
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I am willing to have a proper conversation, however not one in which well researched and pertinent scientific and historical facts are dismissed with a handwave as excuses.

So am I, but about when Nigeria will be able to attain functioning statehood. I am not interested in parsing excuses about why Nigeria is teetering on the edge of being a failed state. Or why white people\racism\colonialism\the sun\flowers\too much this, or too little that, the wrong type of x or not enough y.

Unrelenting victimhood is sick-inducing.


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nateevs:
Lies and conjecture. Talking points of the West and Maganuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_won%27t_exist_in_25_years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy

Believe what you will - the facts remain.


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basilico:
Most Muslims are OK.. The really devout ones are antisemitic and are the most likely to one day be suicide bombers. They are "made' in mosques. The good ones are the ones who I call ignorant and just want to live their lives like everyone else.
Granted most of Islamic preaching is about the superiority of their religion , the abhorrence of those who don't accept it and a special damnation of Jews.

I beg to differ.

I agree that not all muslims want to strike tear.or into the hearts of unbelievers. I accept that not all muslims wish that they could engage in gee.hard, be martyred and then return to resume engagement in gee.hard and be martyred once more, ad-infinitum. I accept that not all muslims want to usher in the end-times by offing Juice.

But such muslims are essentially "bad muslims", who are knowingly or unknowingly not obeying the clear and explicit commands of their scriptures.

Most of the muslims in my family are Yoruba before they are muslims. The progressive and liberal nature of Yoruba culture blunts the extremism that e-slam exhorts. Once that position is reversed wide-scale, you will see havoc in Yorubaland.


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budaatum:
Tommy Robinson hating muslims because of what a muslim may have done to a family member if his is the equivalent of hating black people because one black person killed his family. That's ignorant and discriminatory!

If you hate Muslims because of your hatred of Islam, then you are prejudiced against Muslims and that's Islamophobia. It's the equivalent of racephobia, the hatred of people because of their race, just that your hate is because of others religion.

Ideologues can never argue straight or debate honestly. You quoted part of my post and tried to slur me . Your inability to deploy canned tropes and resort to slurs in defence is what makes you uniteresting. I said this

I love muslims, and like many have muslim family members. Islam is a blight on the world!

I hate Islam. It is a blight on humanity and has, and only can lead to death and destruction.

Where is the evidence for TR being a racist or hating muslims?


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Because ee-slam has no regard for life and no love. It see's humans as slaves, motivated only by base human desires.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, The God of the Bible created man in His image and views those who love Him as sons and daughters. So much so that He purchased them with His own blood.

Who you gon' choose?


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Iran that has been chest-beating and sabre-rattling for almost 50 years. And, are hell-bent on destroying the US and Israel. Funding the 3H proxy militias and sponsoring tear.roar.rism worldwide - even in Nigeria.

Animated by an apocalyptic ee-slam-hic vision that demands adherent precipitate the end-times. They will never retreat, and persist in doing everything within their power to actualise what they believe to be divine writ.

Their participation in treaty discussions are always a ruse - to buy time until they can realise their evil desire.

No believer wants to see children or anyone dead. Christians believe all men are created in Gods image and are of inestimable worth. ROPers will birth for the express purposes of producing martyrs and raise their children to think killing unbelievers is loving God.


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bemeruca:
This is an idiotic thing to say. Israel has not attacked any nation that recognized it. Jordan, Egypt etc.

Israel only defends itself which is why they don't have offensive frigates and carriers. There is a reason they built the irondom, it was not proactive, it was reactive.

Iran was behind the Oct 7 attacks and other groups like their proxies from Iraq, hezbollah and the Houthis attacking Israel.

I don't understand how you see Israel as the aggressor here. You said you don't support war that targets the innocent, nobody support that. So tell us,
What is Israel supposed to do when Oct 7th happened?

What are the supposed to do knowing the mastermind engineering their destruction is acquiring more and more sophisticated weapons? If you live in Israel you would have understood this issue but you don't.

The Arabs(Palestinians) living inside Israel do that's why they are part of the IDF fighting to defend their people.

budaatum:
My response might unfortunately make you think I am being Japanisist, but I am going to take the risk.

The Japanese will in all liklihood not care - they do not present as victims, and probably don't give 2 figs as to your views on them.

budaatum:
Japan has had a longer period of unity than Nigeria has had, and the national adversity they all faced further unified them to work together for the common good. Basically, the unifying glue of the Japanese is stronger than Nigeria's, so yes, "Nigeria can't solve for open defecation because complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more", which, be warned I will call it bush.

And there are countries with lesser periods of unity and more\less\different adversities and complex issues relating to history, geography, location, climate wars, flower, jungle, weeds etc., but they have all managed to develop basic functioning societies and\or are clearly advancing.

budaatum:
And yes "Even flora and fauna count." Flowers produce food, and flower was always plenty in the Nigerian bush so any Nigerian could go by themself and take what they want but now the bush is small and the flower is less and the Nigerians are more plenty but we keep our bush ways.

So Nigerians where never agronomists or pastoralists. What, Nigerians couldn't even farm crops?

budaatum:
Japan was the same for centuries, some resulting in the 1637 Shimabara Rebellion, 1905 Hibiya Incendiary Incident, 1918 Rice Riots, massive 1960 Anpo treaty protests, and 1960s/70s student uprisings, so we too shall one day learn.

When? How, What will be the pivotal event\events?

budaatum:
Oh. Least I forget. The Japanese people are in many ways far superior in achievements than we Nigerians are. We have Asejire Dam. They have Fukushima.

"In many ways" - in which way or what, are Nigerians superior in achievement to the Japanese?


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budaatum:
TV01, I'm sorry to barge into this, but why should anyone show you if tommy robinson is racist when you can very easily consider the evidence yourself?

It is rather ironic that some here with no evidence will call others gay but can't be bothered to check available information about tommy and racism.

The below is my own bias. Do your research please.

Barging in is not the issue, it's your usual canned ideological responses. The ask was clear,

TV01:
If you can show that Tommy Robinson has an agenda to harm or disadvantage black people or minorities in the UK, then I will agree he's a rascist.

TR emergence on the social scene (he is not a politician and has no real platform) was as a result of a personal experience - his cousin was groomed by ParkiMooSlimGroomers.

The EDL was formed in direct response to this phenom. There were mostly working class, who suffered disproportionately from the gangs. And yes, they may have attracted some of the wrong sort, but that happens with pretty much all movements. So called "anti-fascist" groups are ideologically motivated and often fascistic themselves.

I hate Islam. Islam is not a RACE!!! Attempts by some muslims to conflate race with religion and cry islamophobia at every turn are just part of their strategy to impose their ideology on everyone else. I love muslims, and like many have muslim family members. Islam is a blight on the world!

Please present evidence of TR going after individuals solely because they are not white, or running campaigns or movements to harm communities in the UK because they are not white. If you can do so I'll accept TR is a racist.


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DeepSight:
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Perhaps you should state what you believe are the reasons, given that you accede that there are reasons.

The truth is there is a scientific reason for most things. It's either you choose the scientific reason or you decide to be unscientific by saying something lazy such as "oh, they are just corrupt."

Of course there are reasons. There are always reasons, as for pretty much everything. And yes, I have my beliefs, but they remain under wraps for now, because the ask is, not why Nigeria (and as a metaphor for most black nations) are way down on whatever civilisational scale one chooses to use. One could circle that mountain forever, but to what effect?

The ask is how and when they will clearly start to ascend the curve and move forward? If anything they appear to be regressing...Somali incoming!!! I'll accept references to the why, only if they somehow colour the what, when and how. Long\short, I don't want excuses as to why the country is a basket-case, I want to know what will be done to attain basic societal order.

On this same thread I asked the same pointed questions to the Saffa Lionesza? Who claimed that SA was built by both it's black and white citizens. The asks where 1. what exactly did black SA contribute (and I don't mean heavy lifting) to the development of SA and 2. And now that SA has transitioned to black-majority rule , why is the country spiralling downwards and what are the black SA ruling class going to do to reverse and, at a minimum restore SA to what it was less than 2 generations ago. Over 3 responses, I got waffle, then a slur, then a hasty exit.

As for corruption? I'm a British patriot and I am certain that most of our political class and lot's of our elite are not only corrupt, they are also perverse. Please, let's not dellect.


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A win for Trump means the regime must change. Anything less is a fail. If they are able to remain in power, the Ayatollahs will claim victory. Even if there is a great degradation of iIrans military capabilities. Efforts to develop nuclear weapons will be redoubled at a later point.

All so called treaties are mere window dressing. The faith driven war impulse will not diminish and never has. The desire to wipe out Israel, the US and ultimately overrun the globe remains unabated. For ROPers, treaties are jut means to withdraw and regroup until they are ready to resume hostilities - openly or covertly.

The results thus far are not terrible. The 3H proxies disabled, the sponsorship of tear.roar globally diminished, the tyrannical e.slam.hic govenrment in disarray, and hopefully civil unrest is looming which may topple the regime.

Having said that, even if the regime does fall, it may just mean a re-calibration of the e-slam.ic problem. Iran as was, was in constant tension with Saudi Araba - sunni vs shia - for e.slamic dominance. With Iran gone, SA (or even Turkey) could step-up their agitation for e.slamic dominance, without the internecine in-fighting between sects to hinder them. Everything that weakens e-slam.ic belligerance is all round good.


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DeepSight:
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Whenever you are up for a really serious conversation on the matter, no worries. However to be serious, you simply cannot dismiss sober and serious factors discussed in much profound academic research. Enjoy.

Smashed those bells llke kilode !

Right, where were we?
If said academic research purports reasons for a lack or progress or hinderances to advancement, fine. But that is all backward looking. I'd never get away with that at work. If these profound research tomes can piece together what went wrong, why can't they prescribe a way forward?

Why is academic research needed to deliver basic amenities? A minimum viable societal proposition. Security, healthcare, schools. Why can't basic utilities like water, electricity, or infrastructure like roads be readily delivered?

You need profound academic research to figure out why a country cannot solve for open defecation? This is just weak. Pathetically weak. Absolute denial.

Leave me jor. Let me go and pester my wife!


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DeepSight:
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I have told you that the reasons as vast and complex. There are university research papers done one this matter which are sober and profound. You probably have the limited and unschooled view that its a matter of once race being smart and another being apes.

Nigeria can't solve for for not being able to maintain a national carrier because "vast & complex"....but, but racism...

Trolling you is not even fun - I'm off to swing some bells. Are gorilla rows racist?


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DeepSight:
Without a doubt some societies are more advanced than others and there are many reasons for this. Understanding those reasons should actually help people be less, not more racist. Racist people often think that its a factor of racial superiority (tribalistic / xenophobic people / ethnic chauvnists - also think the same way).

Yes, there are reasons. The question is what are those reasons?

DeepSight:
However the matter is a complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count.

No. These are excuses and grist for the mill of grifters.

Nigeria can;t solve for open defecation because " complex one of deep history, environment, geography, climate, trade, wars and conquests, chance, the butterfly effect, and much much more. Even flora and fauna count."

The requirements to build a minimal viable society or functioning country are not difficult. They are all known, and can literally be copied or bought. You can even develop alternative systems.

Japan rebuilt all surrounding infrastructure 10 days after a major earthquake. There's a thread up in here somewhere. I'm happy to agree that Japanese people are in no way superior to Nigerians.

Id like to understand why Nigeria cannot demonstrate this - almost basic - level of civilisational wherewithal. Japan's climate is clearly less forgiving. no? Abi it's because of flower?


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IjeBos:
So, it's not that you can't read the words, it's that you don't understand them.
Point out where I said she was my girlfriend.

Kiss & Tell as a flex In this age Haba!


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DeepSight:
My issue with you was two things, one was a sort of broad claim you made that I was nasty to people over the Gaza issue (and that was not really an issue as you are entitled to that opinion, I know I can be strident).
Firstly, I did not make the "Nasty" comment. That was someone else and noted here in the last few days. I dismantled you false historical narrative about the Jewish people and their territorial claim to the land of Israel. Strident? You throw tantrums and seethe like a spoilt child.

[quote author=DeepSight post=138834928]But the second one was unbelievable: your claim that Tommy Robinson is not racist/.

If you can show that Tommy Robinson has an agenda to harm or disadvantage black people or minorities in the UK, then I will agree he's a rascist. The Tommy Robinson I see is firstly a patriot, who raised the alarm about parki, moose slim ray.ape gangs. Granted he had a bit of a misspent youth and was I believe a football hooligan at one point.

Your piqued obsession with racism to the extent you support evil people as long as they are not - in your view - racist. is toxifying the discussion here.

DeepSight:
As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.

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raumdeuter:
This same you?
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/4121#129507227

Can tell stories - tales by moonlight, can't answer questions.


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^{DeepSight, where are you. I'd like to troll you. As you can tell, I 'm bored. Have you gotten over your crush on me?}

I quoted you - the claim you made.
I don't care about Fela, his music or to know what he meant in his lyrics. You said this "You guys worship whiteness. See whiteness as better".
A specific reference to people on this thread. That is what I clearly responded to.

Over 2 posts, I asked several questions related to belief and perception. None of which you responded too. Rather you resorted to the same tired slurs - people who still prostrate themselves to whiteness.

I said in my first post that I had no expectations and gave you leave to "rest" in my second. No problem if you can't answer the questions.

Moving on. Is it true you flash your US passport and like white maidens


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IjeBos:
This was your first post on this.
So, the view that there are black people who see whiteness as superior is one of my own devising even though Fela wrote a song about it in the 70's?
Is that not nonsensical to you?

So, ask yourself, if you were I, would you waste your time on someone who said something that silly?
The answer is no.
So, I'll respect myself and leave you to whatever rationalization you have created for people who still prostrate themselves to whiteness.
You, Basilico, Bemeruca and Raumdeuter can explore why you think Black people were better off as slaves together.
Or rationalize white people calling black people monkeys.
You know all those outdated tropes.
I'm sure it'll be some very enlightening conversation.

IjeBos:
Huh?
You're not seriously writing this.

Actually I am. And you've neatly skirted my point and my posers

IjeBos:
Yes, I'm the one who made up the word colo-mentality and also wrote the lyrics to the song.
Jesus
There are people in this thread who absolutely see whiteness as better.

Care less about the song. That wasn't my entry point. Maybe they don't see "whiteness as better", just acknowledge that some societies are better ordered, are able to build and maintain functioning institutions and are more technologically advanced. Higher up the civilisational curve one might say.

They fact that they acknowledge that some countries (many white) without at once blaming (white people), for the backwardness of their own countries of origin (mostly black). Doesn't mean that they see "whiteness as superior". And, even if they do, and, you feel that they are wrong, make the point - racial slurs don't do that.

Conversely, not owning the situation in your own(black) countries and trying to unrelentingly pin it other countries\people can be seen as grifting at best.

Are the Fulani as far up the civilisational curve as the Swedes or the Australians? If not, and if it's not due to the superiority of the Swedes or the Australians, what is it down too? What about the English and the Romanians or the Albanians?

Feel free to explain causality amongst people groups, regions or countries., where race is not a factor. Once your only recourse boils down to race, race, race, you can't ever broaden the discussion or have anything other than a blinkered or ideological view.

Or riddle us this. Are the Fulani as civilisationally advanced as the Yoruba or the Igbo? Where is the colour dimension here.

IjeBos:
People who advocate that black people were better off as slaves so they could have been in the US.
Their general disposition has radiated out so much that their black child uses a white child as her avatar and he seems proud of it. Is that a surprise?

Sounds mostly like your perception. Not an argument I would necessarily make, but black Americans are the most prosperous black people anywhere in the world. When I grew up in the UK , Bruce Lee, Muhammed Ali and Pelé were the posters on every boys wall. So what?

IjeBos:
The level of depth and self-introspection in this forum is always disappointing.
Honestly, having unpleasant thoughts about yourself is ok.
It's the start ofgrowth.
Try it.

Maybe you should introspect on the fact hat you are only able to channel this as black vs white and cope by deploying largely outdated and mostly unrelated tropes, suggests introspection is something you may benefit from.

I can see why you avoided the questions. Rest.


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IjeBos:
You guys worship whiteness. See whiteness as better. Some here even go as far as pretending to live in the US as somehow that association with whiteness makes you better.

Firstly that trope is one of your own devising - has anyone ever made that claim? Secondly, rightly or wrongly, people are allowed their personal beliefs and perceptions. Since you introduced the notion, could you please state your belief or perception vis-á-vis
is whiteness better than blackness (or any other colour, or non-whiteness)?
is whiteness the same as blackness?
is whiteness inferior to blackness?

Derogatory statement against "black" people because they don't subscribe to your positions on "colour" or racial dynamics is a good pointer to where the real racism lies.

No expectations, just giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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Because the Lord of Hosts has blessed me with a wife - and I don't feel the need to supplement her with wifelets or secs slaves and have my "right" to beat them codified into law.

Marriage typifies the relationship between Christ and His Church - that up there doesn't

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,


Come to Christ. Hope to see you at the wedding supper of The Lamb.


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Gabrielshow24:
It's a sensitive topic for our ’cousins’, ’Abrahamic cousins👀’.

As far as I am aware, although this is widely believed and quoted by many, it's really just another bogus assertion by ROPers. There is no evidence to support the claim Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. And of course, nothing - other than false claims - to suggest that Abraham or Ishmael were moose slims.


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Antlisiam:
I get one Hadith but mods won't allow it to stay. Come see the shape of their gurls in alujana

Just the reference please.


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Because The Living God has blessed me with a son - and l don't want him growing up with a deep-seated hatred of Jews or Christians or people of other faiths or no faith at all. And, l don't want him to think routinely deceasing any of the aforementioned is a good thing and pleasing to God.


Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

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Antlisiam:
The man is enjoying himself in alujana with his 72 fagin

I also understand that they have huge bress, like bouncy castle . Is that true?

If i wanted to attract 7th century arabian mercenaries, brigands, thugs and miscreants to my cause, what would l promise then. hmmmm, let me think? How about ashawo, igbo, shayo and a straight to heaven pass if you die fighting for the cause. Please add incredibly gullible to my earlier list .


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vedaxcool:
he said nuclear armament, yet even the esptien cesspit you follow do not make such uninnntellligent subpar claims!

He couldn't successfully provide "pure water for his citizens".

From Al Ja Zeera 0! - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/12/as-the-dams-feeding-tehran-run-dry-iran-struggles-with-a-dire-water-crisis
Academic Study too - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-026-01784-0 & https://e360.yale.edu/features/iran-water-drought-dams-qanats

In addition to inverted morals, brain-rot and bloodthirstiness, I neglected to add strong delusion. ROPers will say and\or believe anything to make themselves feel and look good or press the case for their beliefs - no matter how far-fetched, how unbelievably asinine how ahistorical or how contradicted by facts or data.

Regressive in thought, tyrannical by design, Almajiri by nature, tear.roar.wrists at heart.

Come to Christ for a new heart and transformed nature.


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vedaxcool:
Aside repeating what the Epstein cesspit says do you have any sensible point to make? thousands of citizens not 6 million ? keep making up nonsense!

Is that it? Deflection! In defence of a brutal tyrant. As part - and later leader for decades - of a tyrannical regime, he was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of his fellow citizens - almost universally of the same faith.

And you defend that? Let's not mention the brutal repression of women which could mean "offing"for incorrectly wearing a headscarf? Not to mention his funding of proxy militias that wreaked havoc and destruction.. You hail that? You celebrate that and accord him the title of mar.tar and the one who receives him as god?

Apart from rotting the brain and inverting all morals, "it" engenders a bloodthirstiness" unrivalled by anything else. Truly dae.mon inspired. If there are no unb3li3v3rs to d3ecease, no problem, b3l3iv3rs will do just fine.


Come to Christ and be washed clean. What a filthy spirit .


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Because the living God has blessed me with a daughter - something so heinously senseless and tragic could never be done in his name.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm



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Because if I ever have to choose between water and life for my citizens and nukes and death for my enemies, I would like to be rightly guided.


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