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basilico:
They don't want to accept that the JC culture brought about rapid development when advances starting taking off.
They are clinging to the idea that development was just organic and happened without any external factor encouraging social cohesion and order

There is a darkness to their worldview that demands that JC culture is at best, bad, or no different in effect to any other - even ee.slam.eek.

Find a nation or empire that managed to develop the attributes I listed. Many were brutal and driven by slavery which they shed tears about at every opportunity.

A major problem for them is that if JC indeed does what it says on the tin, it explains the advance the majorly European nations who adopted it experienced. They would rather explain their own backwardness by saying the TATS and Christians, Europeans (read white people) who engaged in it are the reason the Yoruba did not invent the motor vehicle, the Igbo did not drive discoveries in ophthalmological surgery and the Ijaw were not first into space .

That is why slavery, colonialism, and racism are their perennial fallbacks. They ardently seek it out. No rock left unturned. No nook no cranny unexplored. Perennial victims .

If it wasn't faith, what was it? Why don't SSA or the MAW have it? Ask them when Nigeria will level up or SA will fix up and they begin to stammer . NO time scale is possible. Of course it isn't. Dey dere dey para!


Jesus is Lord


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basilico:
Why is it that the most advanced societies were from JC culture. Before the Asian tigers, Japan China caught up?
Don't you dare say slavery or colonization. Switzerland Sweden Norway Denmark etc didn't have colonies .

Hello Sir,

haven't you noticed by now that re-framing is one of DeepSight' signature moves.

TV - There is nothing that has driven recent scientific and technological advancement in humankind than that which emanated or mimicked the outworking of nations historically rooted in the JC culture.

DeepSight - it's ahistorical and you are unwell to suggest that physics is not taught in Ibadan Grammar School .

LordReed - show me the Pythagoras theorem in the OT

Laugh 0!


TV

Ey yah! I was raised to look kindly upon the underprivileged - Deep, na you be dis .
How is it that both you and your sidekick Lord Reed are unable to navigate through nuance in conversation or any type of layered discussion.

Like I said, I was raised....so let me try again.
The point is not about individual inventions or necessarily where they emanate from. Here is the hypothesis. Danke!

^{"Only the JC ethos creates the sustainable culture which can deliver full-suite human rights, individual freedoms and civil liberties. Which at once guarantee individual pursuits and free association, forming the basis for open trade and capital markets, which drive, innovation, research, scientific inquiry and technological advancement, as well as progressive social welfare programs".}

Likewise your mucker LordReed thought the discussion was about locating inventions in the pages of religious text. Ah, ah. How could one both think and engage that premise? I shudder to think. Why do I bother? Oh yes, I was raised.... .

You ask for a breakdown. Which I not only gave unprompted in my very first reply to your accusation that the bible advocates for slavery, I also asked you a question. One question. Which you have studiously avoided. I further wrote on the law and it's abolition\fulfilment. Again I asked you 2 questions, both of which you obfuscated over, yet failed to answer.

The conversation is only stymied by design - your design. So, for you and anyone else who cares to read, I will start with slavery in the NT and ask you questions. In tandem, I will also continue to demonstrate the superiority of a JC based culture. Some of us are capable of nuanced, layered, correctly premised and multi-faceted discussion

I have already detailed your MO, so no expectations.


TeeVee

DeepSight:
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Worthless.

A complete non starter.

If you wish to make a proper effort start with these -

1. Address the list of inventions I provided (a hundred) from non Judeo Christian backgrounds.

2. Address the verses in the bible which enjoin the murder of witches and slavery and properly break them down as to why they do not say what they obviously say.

Anything beyond these is just noise.

It will eternally be ridiculous for anyone to claim that only Judeo Christian backgrounds allowed for inventive thought. I mean this is not just ahistorical, it is dim and half witted.

DeepSight:
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Claiming that inventions only exist in cultures with a Judeo Christian background is as bad a case as I have ever come across.

Have you no depth...is your moniker meant to be entirely ironic !

You have a very limited and ultimately futile toolkit, consisting of,
1. Copy & Paste
2. Avoiding questions
3. Strawmanning positions
4. Slurs
5. Tantrums

I see no depth, no artfully constructed points, no comprehensive analysis. I'll try again, because I like your discomfort !

"Only the JC ethos creates the sustainable culture which can deliver full-suite human rights, individual freedoms and civil liberties. Which at once guarantee individual pursuits and free association, forming the basis for open trade and capital markets, which drive, innovation, research, scientific inquiry and technological advancement, as well as progressive social welfare programs".

It did so progressively and as long as it sticks, progress will continue. Nothing else can or has sustainably delivered all of that. At best mimic it to a degree. Where are the nations and empires you mentioned? Why are non-JC nations today mostly lagging - even to mimic .

It's why Nigeria is imploding, Somalia is war-torn and South-Africa is spiralling. The "inherency" required to inculcate the necessary ethos does not exist. Chaos and disarray is the natural state - and too be honest, you like it

ee.slam by it's very nature cannot of itself give rise to meaningful or sustainable innovation. It's contrary to it's design and intent. The golden age you speak of was history written by the victors.

I have noted repeatedly. ee,slam will claim anything in extant, in development or that lands after it conquers a people or territory. Long-term it will be degraded and ee.slam will revert to type - 7th century Arabia. The link you shared, showed that in detail. Did you read it?

The conquered Persian mathematician who forcefully converts to ee.slam will have his invention labelled ee.slam.eek, and himself a moose.slim. Labelled moose.slim does not mean natal to ee.slam. Did moose.slims settle and build Cordoba or Baghdad or Cairo?

Where are your gods .


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DeepSight:
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Yawn.

nothing can remove it.

Beams
Nothing can add it .

If The Son sets you free, you are free indeed.


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LordReed:
The Japanaese did not need your Christian whatever to end slavery 500300 years before Christians had to kill themselves to achieve it. Pay attention.

Christianity first moved to abolish slavery in the 11th century.

Slavery was finally abolished in Japan under Western influence as it modernised. Formally in the 19th century and fully suppressed in the 20th.

There is nothing outside the JC truth as a basis for sustained, enduring and flourishing nations. Second best is to mimic it as Japan has done - aided somewhat by it's ethnic and cultural homogeneity. Now starting to fail.

Outside that nada, nothing, nowhere - as demonstrated by Nigeria' abject failure and South Africa's spiralling backwards after one generation of emancipation from apartheid. Even the post-Christian West is starting to fall apart.

No Christ, no nation, no nothing. His kingdom come.

Keep up .


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DeepSight:
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Repeating yourself a thousand times will not remove the clear slavery endorsing verses from the Bible.

I don't need to shout. It's written there in black and white and nothing can remove it.

It's called consistency boyo - try it .

The fact that slavery is mentioned, doesn't mean that slavery is endorsed. In fact the Bible is the most anti-slavery book every - the whole message is about setting human beings free.

I appreciate your need to see slavery in order too underpin your worldview. Evidenced by your refusal to answer any questions or admit your own incorrect biblical exegesis from the very first time I posted a response to this.
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-trump-47th/5556#137573719


Come, why did the gods of your people, of iron, of thunder of smallpox, not deliver you from slavery and help you invent better gadgets .

He who The Son sets free is free indeed .


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DeepSight:
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I also added to my post above clarifying that expansion is actually one of the catalysts of development -


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Nonetheless I am not sure it is fair for you to use ISIS as the benchmark.
You would make no mention of the Greater Israel Project would you, notwithstanding that its map is on the uniforms of the IDF and covers parts of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq and Saudi Arabia?

I like your thinking here

Expansion is a catalyst for development. The Israeli "Greater Israel" project covers parts of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia.

Given the fact that the said countries lack the "inherency" to deliver any meaningful development, Israel - who have a proven track record in this regard, will almost certainly do so.

Ergo, let Israel have the land - all of it. Bringing flourishing, prosperity and 21st century liberal democratic ideals to more arabs and the region as a whole.

I knew you'd wake up.

A round of weak beer for that man


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LordReed:
LoLz. The Quran is not a science journal either but you want us to present you inventions that came directly from Islamic study.

Anyway, thanks for conceding that no invention came from Christianity study.

I'll afford you the benefit f the doubt this last time. Please read carefully and slowly - several times if required .

No one claimed inventions should spontaneously arise out of what ever anyone considers to be holy text.

The position is that it is the truth of the JC culture that creates the milieu as described in my last post - which has been hidden. To paraphrase below,.

"Only the JC ethos creates the sustainable culture which can deliver full-suite human rights, individual freedoms and civil liberties. Which at once guarantee individual pursuits and free association, formsng the basis for open trade, guilds and capital markets, which drive, innovation, research, scientific inquiry and technological advancement, as well as progressive social welfare programs".

Likewise your mate DeepSight continues to insist that Christianity advocates slavery, and continues to argue that against himself, when the position is the Christian scriptures do not preach slavery. Not that some people who claim to be Christians have not used the bible to justify slavery - no one ever claimed that.

Pay attention sir .


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basilico:
Haha haha.
Assault vehicles, assault trucks , assault knives, assault folks 9/11

In a nutshell, ee.slam is an assault. On humanity, but more insidiously on Christianity, denying The Lord, humanity' sole hope.


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DeepSight:
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Again, this is ahistorical and illiterate. You can read up even in the best Encyclopedias -

https://www.britannica.com/video/achievements-world-mosque-Islamic-Cordoba-Spain-construction/-194004

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/300077166_The_Islamic_Golden_Age_A_Story_of_the_Triumph_of_the_Islamic_Civilization

Its not a matter of your irrelevant opinion. Its a matter of historical record.

You can just as well declare that by your opinion, there were no middle ages and no renaissance.

I read the links. The first is essentially meaningless - building a mosque is not evidence of scientific or technological advancement.
Do you actually read the links. Are you able to make arguments of your own

Extract from the second

<sup>Many cultures and societies contributed to the flowering of Islam’s Golden Age. Central among them were the Persians, the predecessor people of modern Iran. Persians were the main force behind the creation of the Abbasid Dynasty (750 CE-1258 CE), one of the most culturally sophisticated societies that gave birth to the Golden Age. The Berbers of North Africa, a non-Arabic population, played a major role in the emergence of the Golden Age as did the Fatimid Dynasty (909 CE –1171 CE ) which were contemporaneous with the Abbasids. The Andalusian Dynasties (711 CE to 1492 CE) of the Iberian Peninsula (Spain and Portugal) also played a prominent role in the emergence of the Golden Age. Indeed, the architectural achievements of the Andalusian dynasties made some of the most remarkable, longest lasting, and internationally recognized Islamic contributions even today

Islam’s Golden Age, however, was not just the outcome of Islamic achievements. Indeed, the Islamic empires of the period included large numbers of Jews, Christians, Hindus, and even Chinese who made significant and lasting contributions to Islamic socio-cultural-scientific achievements. All worked together in relative harmony to realize the enormous intellectual, scientific, technological, architectural, and other contributions that formed the basis of the what now is called the Islamic Golden Age. The work of the ancients, but especially that of the Greeks and Romans, also were respected during the dynasties of the Golden Age and contributed, too, to Islamic philosophy and scientific achievements. Muslims, in turn, preserved the ancient texts of these scholars and in doing so made an enormous contribution to both Islamic and world intellectual heritage. Greek and Roman contributions to Islamic development were made possible through the translation of Greek, Roman, Aramaic, and other texts in Arabic—the functioning Lingua Franca of the period.</sup>

Islam conquers, converts and claims the historical progress and ongoing achievements of conquered peoples and territories as its own.


This from what is a certain sponsored piece. Another excerpt.

Many scholars believe that, even today, Muslims are awaiting the rebirth of its Golden Age and, through it, the resurgence of Islam as one of the world’s renewed cultural and religious influences. Such a hoped for outcome is a collective aspiration of Muslims and transcends linguistic, cultural, and even ethnic differences

Please tell me in which reality . The only care of ee.slam is to conquer and subjugate the whole world. At which point they will casually re-label all advances as ee.slam.meek in origin. But ultimately regress back to it's inherent savagery. Same 'ole, same 'ole.

DeepSight:
The development of mankind is not tied to religions in this way. Nonetheless, if you are consistent, please produce one good thing in same terms which was new and solely as a result of Christianity.

All advanced scientific discovery and technological innovation came from and continues to come from historically JC nations - the phone, TV, computers, satellites, motor vehicles, planes etc.

The JC ethos see's all men as created in the image of God. Fostering equality and individual liberties. This drives the pursuit of learning and research, leading to advancement and progress. It demonstrates Gods order and rationality in creation, engendering the pursuit rational inquiry and scientific discovery. Only the culture that arises out of this this ethos has proven capable of doing that. Nothng from the MAW or SSA.

DeepSight:
Christianity was all these things for a long time. Its not that long ago that the Church supervised the witch burnings of hundreds of thousands of women, and hung or persecuted scientists such as Giordano Bruno and Galileo.

Nope. Christianity was never any f those things. Christianity was abused, or at best misinterpreted by some, but when practised in truth delivers prosperity and well-being.

Till date, there are some incorrectly exegeted texts and downright non-scriptural practices. Tithing for example. But that is not Christianity.

It's interesting how the one thing no historically JC country or contemporary community practices or makes a case for slavery. It's always been the opposite when the text is read and applied as intended. Christianity which you dishonestly claim advocates slavery, has it nowhere in view.
Unlike the MAW and SSA.

Kiss the truth baybay


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basilico:
I have ever mocked here that their only invention is the suicide vest strapped with explosives.
Now add the Shahed kamikaze drones by Iran. That was a muslim invention too .I credit them truly as muslim inventions.
Any other thing they claim to have invented I believe would a Zero in mathematics, though I highly doubt that.
For a people who destroyed everything that conflicts with the Quran for instance the sun setting in a pool of muddy water. This was proof that the earth is flat. They lie and twist that their writings say correct translation was a carpet like symbolism. There are preachers who are on memri TV saying the earth was revealed to be flat but Allah and so the earth is flat. Because the Quran is 100% revelation from Allah.

My bad. I sould have noted the ee.sla.meek skill of re-invention. Cars as weapons, planes as instruments of demolition etc.


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basilico:
In my opinion there was nothing like the Islamic golden age. Everything Islam touches ends up in retrogression

Abi .

It's so easy to see - even with the most cursory of glances. A web of false claims, bogus assertions, deception, obfuscation, propaganda and downright lies.

ee.slam praches charity - did you know that the zakat must only be given to moose.slims.
ee.slam preaches peace - only when everyone is a moose.slim, otherwise it's ongoing gee.hard
ee.slam preaches it is blasphemy to insult its profit, deserving of death - but wait, not to acknowledge him as a profit is considered an insult
ee.slam preaches innocents (children, women, non-combatants) should be spared during war) - but, only muslims are considered "innocent"

One good thing, just one, that was new and as a result of ee.slam, or that we wouldn't have if not for ee.slam.

Agreed. Regressive, backward, destructive.


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DeepSight:
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The modern reality has changed. The switch did happen. Republicans today are the party against colored people in every way.

Are you able to be more explicit here? "Every way" is a very bold claim. Are you saying that the Republicans actually take action\write policy solely to harm "colored people", or exists solely for that reason?

I'm actually interested to understand how it is even possible to be so precise - a practice\policy\action that hurts ""colored people" but leaves "non-colored people" unharmed?

Conversely, does the opposite hold true for the Democratic party?

Please shed more light.


TV

It's almost painful to read the ignorance you spew - and considering your profession, your inability (or is it just unwillingness?) to question any of the "marketing material" you parrot here is quite concerning. Have you been the victim of repeated scams in real life .

DeepSight:
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Your double standards stand out. You are ready to attribute the printing press somehow to your religion, but wish to exclude the many developments in the Islamic world of antiquity from Islam.

The lacuna in reasoning is yours. The printing press is an artefact which is clearly attributable to a particular religious & sociocultural milieu. If, as you insist, religion or faith had nothing to do with it, then it must be sociocultural by default. So, what artefacts can you point to from the AM world or SSA?

DeepSight:
My position is consistent - its not the religions, its simply the people evolving. When we speak of the golden age of Islam, we are simply referring to a period when Islamic empires and people flourished with great development that impacted the world.

When asked how this "moral evolution" happens, you could only - and it still sounds so lame, even now - mutter, "wars & rebellion"

Both yourself and Lord Reed fail to grasp culture - what it is and how it is shaped. Culture is downstream of religion and scientific advancement, technological innovation and the like. Computers came - revolutionised the workplace. Further advances changed how we communicate, how we access information. Likewise, religious tenets deeply held and lived, shape conduct, behaviours relationships.

Why do the historical JC nations practice monogamy, whereas, monogamy is still extant in AM world or SSA. Why hasn't the "moral evolution" that would remove this, at best, lesser form of marriage\dysfunctional relationship?

DeepSight:
We are not so thoughtless as to attribute the development specifically to something in Islam, the way you are eager to attribute all Western Science to Judeo-Christianity.

Hopefully, you can grasp why you err here form my statement above? No ? Okay, let's move from science\tech\innovation for a mo'. Apart form the marriage example above, why does the AM and SSH still practice slavery, child marriage, subsistence pastoralism and a host of other practices that are not only of little social value, but actually deleterious in many instances?

DeepSight:
It is a fact of history that Islam had a golden age in the way I have described above. Anyone denying it is either unschooled or or simply in denial from religious extremism or bigotry.

This so called golden age is a myth. A contrived narrative, and doesn't bear scrutiny - even by an unlearned enemy . I'll give a broad overview.

The claim is that this golden age was from the 8th through the 14th century, yes? Islam started in the 7th century. So the claim is essentially within a 100 years, ee.slam, became a powehouse of scientific discovery and technological advancement - leading the world. And you believe that?

What was the mechanism by which ee.slam did this? Did the gee.hard.ests, armies pack science books which they distributed to conquered peoples ? That would explain why after each mose.slim tear.roar.wrist attack, science compendiums are found scattered at the scene .

Or perhaps once they overran all the native populations from the Copts to the Berbers to the Persians and others, they gave them strict instructions to ensure science and technology where advanced at all speed before they returned - or else!. Have you no mind of your own?

Cities like Baghdad, Cordoba and Cairo, were civilisational laggards, technologically backwards, until the advent of ee.slam. Ee.slam made all these breakthroughs and innovations, handed them off to the unbelieving West and then regressed back to the 7th century. Leaving no single scientific, technological or sociocultural artefacts that we can point to that advanced mankind? No evidence of the ME of which you speak.


I extract -

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The Islamic Golden Age (roughly 8th to 14th century) was a powerhouse of intellectual activity. While Europe was in the Early Middle Ages, scholars in cities like Baghdad, Córdoba, and Cairo were synthesizing Greek, Indian, and Persian knowledge while making massive original breakthroughs. Here are the major subjects and innovations they contributed to the modern world:

1. Mathematics: The Language of Science: Perhaps the most visible legacy is in our numbers. Islamic mathematicians didn't just preserve math; they revolutionized how we calculate. Algebra: Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi wrote The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing. The word "Algebra" comes from his term al-jabr. He treated algebra as a distinct discipline for the first time.

Arabic Numerals & Zero: While the symbols originated in India, Islamic scholars refined the decimal system and the concept of zero (0), then introduced them to the West.

Algorithms: The word "algorithm" is actually a Latinized corruption of al-Khwarizmi’s name.

Trigonometry: Scholars like al-Battani isolated functions like sine, cosine, and tangent, which were essential for both astronomy and navigation.

2. Medicine: Systematic Healing - The Islamic world moved medicine from folklore to a rigorous, empirical science. The Canon of Medicine: Written by Ibn Sina (Avicenna), this remained the standard medical textbook in Europe and the Middle East for over 600 years. Hospitals (Bimaristans): They created the first modern hospitals with separate wards for different diseases, pharmacies, and even "internships" for medical students.

Surgery: Al-Zahrawi (Albucasis) is often called the "father of surgery." He invented over 200 surgical instruments—including the scalpel, bone saw, and forceps—many of which have designs that remain recognizable today.

Circulation: Ibn al-Nafis was the first to correctly describe pulmonary circulation (how blood moves through the heart and lungs).

3. Physics and Optics - Before this era, people believed the eyes emitted rays to "see" objects. Islamic scientists corrected this. Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen): Often called the first true scientist, he pioneered the scientific method, emphasizing repeatable experiments.

The Camera Obscura: Al-Haytham explained how light travels in straight lines and enters the eye, using the "dark room" (camera obscura) principle to prove it. This is the fundamental ancestor of the modern camera.

4. Chemistry (Alchemy): The word "Chemistry" comes from al-kimiya. Islamic scholars transitioned alchemy from a mystical pursuit of turning lead into gold into a practical science. Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber): He introduced systematic laboratory methods and identified many common acids (like sulfuric and nitric acid). Distillation: He perfected the process of distillation, which led to the creation of perfumes, medicines, and refined oils.

5. Engineering and Navigation - Practicality was at the heart of many innovations, especially regarding water and travel. Crankshafts and Water Pumps: Al-Jazari, a brilliant engineer, designed intricate clocks, hand-washing automata, and the crankshaft—one of the most important mechanical inventions in human history.

6. Higher Education Universities: The University of al-Qarawiyyin in Fez, Morocco (founded by Fatima al-Fihri in 859 AD), is recognized by UNESCO and Guinness World Records as the oldest continuously operating, degree-granting university in the world.
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DeepSight:
So, TV01, what exactly is wrong with you? Did you skip classes or you are just allergic to history or what?

I can differentiate betwixt history and marketing !


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LordReed:
Strong defense of culture is not a hallmark of greatness IMO. The ability to push culture in positive directions is what makes any people group great.

I didn't say a strong defense of culture was a hallmark of greatness. And, l didnt list iit in the main part of my response - there are rubbish cultures and practices that are strongly defended.

My point was that, having attained to greatness - even if only relative - the ability to maintain and defend those things that enabled and delivered said greatness is important.

I noted that with particular reference to the West, which is currently under attack from within and without, due to a failure to do just that.

What does "push culture in a positive direction" mean? How does that happen in any given settling, given that in both relative and absolute terms what would be positive varies widely. I noted the defence of rubbish cultures and practices earlier.


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DeepSight:
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Character is as smoke and shows in every breath, another shallow offering.

...says one whose primary contribution is "nuisance value" .
I am not chanced at the mo', but when l am, I'll be backto trigger another tantrum from you .


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LordReed:
The country/nation/empire that has provided the best mix of benefits for all it's citizens in accordance with the resources available to it.

One would have to factor the era of the state. For example, in it's time it would have been the Roman empire., which had proper notions of citizenship. But it also had aliens, slaves (and probably illegals )

In absolute terms, you can't get away from a country\nation (an empire is possible, but largely disqualified by the very nature of empires), which has full-suite individual freedoms and human rights. Not just miiitary prowess, an advanced economy, functioning institutions and fosters technological advancement and innovation, as well as being a haven for entrepreneurs and welcoming to immigrants.

Another element would be a strong and robust defense of it's culture. Almost all natures are losing or being pressured to loosen that . But as things stand?

USAMERICA take a bow .


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DeepSight:
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Spot on re: printing press, and many other factors. A TV01 will never avert his mind to that.

Re: covering of women, this predated Islam if I am not mistaken.

What religious or cultural millieau did the printing press emanate from? Your continually fail to make sense or ably support your position. Perhaps you simply lack the wherewithal to support them - not learned enough !

Did the PP come out of Arabia or the moose.slim world? What of sub-saharan Africa? DId they develop their own "mass transmission" modalities?The moose.slim world refused to avail themselves of the PP when opportuned. Makes absolute sense for a religion of control and a natally backward people.

Nothing has changed to this day. With all the oil wealth, all they do is ape the west, buy in expertise from the west, or buy-up the west. They can't even fund any kind of relevant innovation or advancement in the own lands - it's all ee.slamic schools of this and that, ulcerating the universities of the west. And of course full-frontal sponsoring of islamisation. Nothing good ever came out of madrassas, or ile-kewu .

Even now, an Israel with only 7m Jews and a global total of 15m vastly out-innovates and out-creates all the Arab and moose.lim world (forget SSA). On top of which they are the only nation in that region that affords the personal freedoms that are a hallmark of advanced nations.

In a free market place of odeas, I have no problem with ee.slam. Like I have no issue with Hinduism or Confucianism, Bhuddism (or even Catholics ). But ee.slam seeks to forcefully impose itself on everything and offer only 2 products - 7th century Arabia or 21st century Afghanistan.

As for the "many other factors", list them na, and see your argument further trampled in the mud.


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DeepSight:
Who can explain the murderous callousness here?

The bible says of God "He will e found righteous when He judges and justified when He speaks". No explanation required, or available, for "His judgements are unsearchable and His ways past finding out"..

You explain this if you can. If you buy a chicken - which you can't create and take its eggs - which you can't lay - and decide to make a nice omelette or throw them at people you don't like, who can query you?


TV

I'll respond to this in 2 parts - firstly to address you romanticesed view of ee.slamic history. Then to pivot back to the question you repeatedly fail to answer

DeepSight:
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I quote my words to ono -

[color=#990000]It is a pity that there is much that is very backward about this religion. And more so since it once experienced a golden age when it was the leading light of much advanced thought in the world.

ee.slam was never the leading light of advanced thought, or at the vanguard of scientific discovery, or the cutting edge of technological research. It cannot be by design.

This whitewashed narrative that seeks to ascribe some sort of enlightenment to ee.slam is not only false, it's ridiculous. There is nothing inherent in ee.slam to engender such. What is natal to ee.slam is the opposite, hence it's logical conclusion in boko-haram.

Any kind of intellectual advancement condemns ee.slam. That is ee.slam by default. All the whitewashed historical narratives that like to suggest ee.slam drove advancement is utterly bogus. How can?

What actually happened is that non-native converts or communities who were already undertaking scholarly pursuits were re-lbelled ee.slamic\moose.slims once conquered. Over time, ee.slam always reverts to it's default.

There was a period were certain (usually non-natal) moose.slims, built libraries and collated scientific works, but there was nothing new, no innovation. It was all extant material.

There is nothing that can be pointed too that existed solely as a result of ee.slam. Or said another way, would not exist if not for ee.slam.

DeepSight:
Sadly it has been unable to shake off the tendency towards misogyny/ gender apartheid as well as a very violent streak which is taken straight from the pages of its scripture. The insistence on dictating what women wear in many Islamic countries, and the fact that in a place like Saudi Arabia until very very recently they were even denied the right to drive, is very telling. Many women in these theocratic places cannot even travel or move at all without permission from a male, what is that?

It'sinherent, the whole point. Unwavering subjugation and unwavering control

DeepSight:
Beyond that look at the application of Shariah law in Northern Nigeria. It has been used to lock up several non Muslims for years - for alleged blasphemy in a supposedly secular country with constitutional freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought, conscience and religion? Look at the gruesome murder of Deborah, a Christian student in Northern Nigeria by a Muslim mob. Those who did it were on camera and they went scot free, even the governor justified it.

Wake up!

DeepSight:
The truth is that this religion has an explicit creeping doctrine in which it seeks the total subjugation of the world to Islamic tenets. And in this they are specifically guided to appear moderate and gentle when in the minority but to become belligerent when in the majority. This is where the practice of Taqiyya often comes in. Telling lies to defend oneself and to defend Islam when in a weak position. But once they are in the majority, no one can truly be safe in terms of the rights we understand to be standard in the modern world.

Who no no go know. Play patsy with ee.slam and you willl lose your foot and much more beside.


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DeepSight:
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Empty vain vacuous piffle.
You owe me a proper response.

He says! Why exactly?

TV01:
(only matched by your propensity for dodging questions .

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DeepSight:
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People like benalvino3 and raumdeuter do not understand that certain words and certain things carry a specific connotation in America. Example, the N word. It is meaningless in Nigeria or even among most black people generally. But used by a white person in a derogatory way to a black person it has historical weight.

How for do we have to be removed from this history for this kind of threat to be completely enervated? Is it a forever thing? I watched the video - the brother in question did not bat an eyelid, just continued making his case. Not sure he requires someone living in the backside of iyana-ipaja to advise him of his victim status .

DeepSight:
In this same way, the threat "you should be lynched" has a specific historical weight when used against a black man in America in that way. This is the same way our friends here fail to understand the significance of depicting a black couple as apes.

Please sir, since you associated the term "weight" to this and even went as far as to say "specific", could you kindly quantify exactly what this weight is. How it specifically affects, or is supposed to affect individual Africa-Americans? Does it lead to mental or physical distress of some kind? If so, what are the symptoms - and the medical interventions required? Should there be legal redress?

One of the hallmarks of your narrative/discussive style is the ability to search far up your fundament and pull out notions that are at best ill-considered, and usually just inane (only matched by your propensity for dodging questions .

Likewise the "moral evolution" bloviate you spouted earlier . If it exists, what precipitates it? My learned friend, it takes zero competence to stand you on your head - just a read of your headache-inducing babble .


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DeepSight:
That Christians today reject these is evolution.

In the natural moral evolution of humans they gradually come to recognize certain things as barbaric and abandon them.

You claim that Christians rejecting slavery is evolution. A "moral evolution" that takes them away from the "slavery" you insist the bible endorses. Fine, let's work with that. If this moral evolution as you term it took place, it was either as a result of their faith or their culture - and all that entails - which led to the subsequent civilisational progress.

Could you please show evidence of that same "moral evolution" in moose.slim countries or jurisdictions - slavery is clearly embedded in their texts and they only "legally" ceased trading under threat of war - as recently as 1960 or thereabouts (you can still buy black people in those parts).

And lest I be accused of singling out moose.slims, please show where\when\how this moral evolution took place in your country? Where and when amongst the cultures or religions was it changed? I stand to be corrected, but there is nothing I can find?

Surely this ME would also encompass human sacrifice, blood offerings, money rituals etc. All of which are still rampant. Or, are they not as bad as slavery, which also still is.

Or perhaps you are just claiming the countries\nations\peples whith historic Judeo-Christian backgrounds are better . I an't callin' nobody "House N" or "Uncle R", just saying


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budaatum:
Please go and educate yourself that you do not have "freedom of speech" in UK!

What you have is "freedom of expression" that is a "qualified right" rather than absolute.

And know that you not knowing this simple difference made me cut you off where I have so you know I did not bother reading your expressions any further!

Evel learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth .
Freedom of speech is nested within freedom of expression - he spoke! FOE also covers other things like written pieces, pictures etc. Is the picture of the moose.slim gee.hardi at war with himself illegal?

Oya, true Orolu pikin, where are the lies I told ? DId you even read the link you posted on FOE ?


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budaatum:
This is the thing about you, ben. You can obviously see that he has no right to say what he said but you want to argue against what you see.

He has every right - it's called freedom of speech. They are not even his own words - direct from the sunnah!

budaatum:
Yes, my country has principles, and those principles include you not talking thrash on our streets and expect us to walk away.

The only limits of free speech are incitement to violence. It's not northern Nigeria or the Orolu capital

budaatum:
We don't have to walk away, because our principles will get your ass arrested as you can see in your post.

Tacitly endorsing violence by savages. Useful I gba n ! Whatever success this ee.slamic gee.hard enjoys, it will be largely down to utter toadies like you. He was arrested as it is easier for the police to deal with the situation that way. It's called "2-tier" after our lackey PM.

budaatum:
Incidentally, I was once in a CoE church where a Pakistani Christian came to talk about anti-islam and Christian persecution in Pakistan. Unfortunately, he lied, and the Christian congregation shut him down.

Anecdotal bollocks. 1. They likely couldn't handle the hard truth and like you prefer to pander to ROPers. 2. It doesn't change the moose.slim persecution of Christians in Pakistan any more than it does that in Nigeria.


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budaatum:
I wonder why a person who outright lies expects their posts or thoughts or opinion to be considered.

Provide evidence for your "outright edit" please.

First you - or anyone else - should provide evidence of outright lies in my posts .

She, shim, sham


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