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Eziachi: As a doctor of many years of experience and orthopaedic surgeon, your statements above is not only false but has no basic medical fact. As I mentioned in my first post, there are many things a good and well skilled doctor can do even when there is even a severe loss of blood. As an orthopaedic surgeon, I treats hundreds of auto accident victims each year that had lost 70 percent of their blood. A male blood count is counted to a measure of 15 and female 14. A male can still live when it down to 2 and female 3.
Last year I operated on a Sierra Leon guy that was severely hurt during their war but now living in England as a refugee. The procedure lasted almost 8 hours, he is a member of this religion and refused transfusion. We did our best for him as his blood count went down up to 1.9 but he survived.

There are things you can do before and after the surgery, like the use of certain drug that boost the red blood cell increase up to 60%, like EPO. There certain food that can boost your blood count more than you realise, a simple fruit like Apricot, fig etc are wonderful. I had this experience once, as a visiting doctor in Owerri in 1989, were a doctor half hearted in treating a patient because she refused transfusion. In fact, his attitude was like, he wanted the lady to die , just to prove a point and I was mad with rage and I made my feeling not only known to him but to those he works for.
I will not be surprise if its not common in Nigeria, where religion is the opium of everything people do. A doctor based on his own religious conviction, may find fault with the JW people and will not do his job properly, just to prove the patient and family wrong. I can easily see that happening.

Eziachi: People should not make bold statement over issue they don't have all the facts. As an orthopaedic surgeon of close to 40 years I have lots of experience on this issue than most do. I know for a fact that there is no policy among Jehovah Witnesses's not to receive transfusion as a blanket law. Its down to individual and am hundred percent sure that the lady in question has taken that decision in the event like this through her verbal instruction or what we call medical life will and not by her family.

Jehovah's Witnesses based on their faith, as they perceived it from their understanding of the bible, do not take any sort of blood and in England that is respected by the law and respected by the medical profession and you do all you can for your patient, while respecting their choice of treatment, so I don't know about Nigeria.
Its the right of a patient to choose how he/she wanted to be treated and not only on transfusion by other therapies like Chemo or radiotherapy in cancer treatment. In extreme cases involving children, a judge may decide what happens over the choice made by parents, but like I said, its only in extreme cases.

EDUCATING AND EXPOSITORY.
As a surgeon, I will be the last person to recommend blood transfusion for anybody at will, because what most people do not realise is that transfusion kill people than it saves. I usually tell people that blood is the sewage of the body and every single event in your body goes through the blood stream. Thousands die each year through blood poisoning, hypertisis B, HIV, all through transfusion and this is in advanced countries where blood is specially treated to the highest standard. Can imagine in developing nations?

Over the last 30 years, thanks to this JW people, science had develop advance method of all sorts of non blood surgeries and this includes many hours surgeries like cardiac, brain and most complicated procedures in orthopaedic like Quadraplaty. I can tell you that Jehovah Witnesses started and developed a machine we used today called jpyt, which is a blood salvaging machine, preferred by the rich and famous today in surgeries instead transfusion. I can also tell you that the recovery period of non blood surgeries as against blood surgeries is 5-1.

I don't know what is obtained in Nigeria, but medical science has moved on so much to use non refusal of transfusion as the reason for a patient lose of life, there are many thing you can do, even in the event of severe lose of blood, e.g multiple dilution process. In 2009, the U.S army invested close to a billion dollar to perfect their field medical personal on bloodless surgeries and treatment. Because not only its safer but its very cost effective. In my opinion and when I had seen in the last few decade, we are very close to a time when no single blood will ever to use in medical science.
Jehovah Witnesses may reject transfusion based on their faith, which should be respected but I will personally refuse one based on personal safety and the science of what I knew about blood, but as a surgeon, I do give people blood, but it has never been the first resort.
One more thing, when blood is given to you, it takes at least 48 hours before it become a full part of your body mechanism, i.e if your body didn't reject it.

Eziachi: People should not make bold statement over issue they don't have all the facts. As an orthopaedic surgeon of close to 40 years I have lots of experience on this issue than most do. I know for a fact that there is no policy among Jehovah Witnesses's not to receive transfusion as a blanket law. Its down to individual and am hundred percent sure that the lady in question has taken that decision in the event like this through her verbal instruction or what we call medical life will and not by her family.

Jehovah's Witnesses based on their faith, as they perceived it from their understanding of the bible, do not take any sort of blood and in England that is respected by the law and respected by the medical profession and you do all you can for your patient, while respecting their choice of treatment, so I don't know about Nigeria.
Its the right of a patient to choose how he/she wanted to be treated and not only on transfusion by other therapies like Chemo or radiotherapy in cancer treatment. In extreme cases involving children, a judge may decide what happens over the choice made by parents, but like I said, its only in extreme cases.

EDUCATING AND EXPOSITORY...TNX DOCTOR.


As a surgeon, I will be the last person to recommend blood transfusion for anybody at will, because what most people do not realise is that transfusion kill people than it saves. I usually tell people that blood is the sewage of the body and every single event in your body goes through the blood stream. Thousands die each year through blood poisoning, hypertisis B, HIV, all through transfusion and this is in advanced countries where blood is specially treated to the highest standard. Can imagine in developing nations?

Over the last 30 years, thanks to this JW people, science had develop advance method of all sorts of non blood surgeries and this includes many hours surgeries like cardiac, brain and most complicated procedures in orthopaedic like Quadraplaty. I can tell you that Jehovah Witnesses started and developed a machine we used today called jpyt, which is a blood salvaging machine, preferred by the rich and famous today in surgeries instead transfusion. I can also tell you that the recovery period of non blood surgeries as against blood surgeries is 5-1.

I don't know what is obtained in Nigeria, but medical science has moved on so much to use non refusal of transfusion as the reason for a patient lose of life, there are many thing you can do, even in the event of severe lose of blood, e.g multiple dilution process. In 2009, the U.S army invested close to a billion dollar to perfect their field medical personal on bloodless surgeries and treatment. Because not only its safer but its very cost effective. In my opinion and when I had seen in the last few decade, we are very close to a time when no single blood will ever to use in medical science.
Jehovah Witnesses may reject transfusion based on their faith, which should be respected but I will personally refuse one based on personal safety and the science of what I knew about blood, but as a surgeon, I do give people blood, but it has never been the first resort.
One more thing, when blood is given to you, it takes at least 48 hours before it become a full part of your body mechanism, i.e if your body didn't reject it.

heykims: If d bible forbids donation nd reception of blood, den d bible condemns d agent dt carries out ds act, d medical practitioners, nurses.
Therefore, here comes d question:
Is d bible against orthodox medicine dt advocates blood transfusion when indicated?
Can a Jehovah witness ever become a medical doctor who will have to transfuse patients when deemed, an act which they believe is against biblical teaching??

pgiddy: I rily don't lik arguing abt the word of God,bt I can't jez stand dis missinterpretation of the Bible.Acts 15:29 says"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols,and from blood, and from things strangled,and from fornication:from which if ye keep yourselves,ye shall do well.Fare ye well".What dis means is that we should avoid eating anything that contains Blood because blood is life,as a warning to dose dat believe in eating human beings or drinking of blood,if u read d whole of chpter 15,paul was speaking to the gentiles,who had various believes,dats why he said in the preceeding verse that"For it seemed good to the holyghost and to us to lay upon you no greater BURDEN than these necessary things".and looking @ the latter part of dat verse,"if ye keep yourselves, we shall do well" how will I die cos am refusing blood transfusion mean that I shall do well.is premature death the will of God? When my bible tells me dat I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health. So why will God now be happy to see us suffering and eventually dying, when he has provided all things. Remember the bible says he that knowest the right thing and doesn't do it is guilty." Then if I should go by ur own interpretation of the bible, why do you put on trousers as a lady,wouldn't that be a sin since it is written in Deut 22vs5.or isaiah 3vs 23 dat talks about we as xtians not to put on glasses,den why do you pple wear recommended glaasses, you shld wait now till all of una go blind, rubbissh.pls stop misinterpreting God's word.Cos someone tells you something doesn't mean you shld jez accept it lik dat.

~vicky~:
Blood Transfusion confusion!!
Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine allows a liver transplant but not the blood that is in it.
Reasonable points are raised about bloodless alternatives during ELECTIVE scheduled surgery. However, bloodless alternatives are no substitute for blood transfusions when there has already been massive loss of blood volume, as occurs in accidents and trauma leading to sudden blood loss.

They believe that life is sacred to God therefore blood is sacred because it represents and symbolizes life. Jehovah's Witnesses put a higher value on blood than they do life.

Which is more sacred? The symbol or that which it symbolizes?
No blood dogma does get people killed!
well that's their doctrine though!

Osiris.211:
What do you expect from pack of shameless PDP looters aided by the useless silver back gorilla in aso rock? No thanks to the 22 million retarrds that voted in these animals.

Yet, when these animals are caught up in accident, morroons will want us to pray for them. Pathetic!

nnecar: u sound jealous,

amdrowning: I don't have to defend why I gave her those tinz.I could afford them and am a maga like some of u said so bite me.As for not getting anytin,there's nothing she's gona give me for now I can't afford(Maybe a Big House) and moreover she just got a new job and yet to get her first salary

prof e.o.o:
@ op : whc cong in ph?

3direct: who gave her Knowles?

anitank: 60,000pounds? Thats huge money ooo

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Fake Warlord!
Fake Country!
Fake Wife!
Fake Will!
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Una be fool: daz cool.

vivian chinaza: I think you are saying a different thing altogether. That I don't put extra effort in meeting Mr. Right doesn't mean I ain't crazy. Guy I'm not always a prude.......got a tiny bit of craziness in me too.

vivian chinaza: Nothing! No strategy, conscious effort whatsoever! I just live my life, go to places when its necessary. When the time comes, things will work themselves out. That's my belief!