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Islam › Re: Being A Better Muslim? by udatso: 9:41pm On Oct 15, 2014

Wizeboy:
Being a good Muslim is not all about performing solat, though we can never relegate solat as it is the one of the most important pillar of ISLAM. Infact, some Hadith clearly stated that “what distinguishes between Muslim and Non-Muslim is Solat”. However, doing good and having the right belief go hand in hand in Islam. In fact, doing good in practice is the proof of having the right belief in the heart. This is why the Holy Quran speaks of true Muslims very often as “THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND DO GOOD DEEDS”.

Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad have however lists some of the chief qualities a good Muslim should display, but I will list the most important 18 qualities a good Muslim must possess with Quran verse that backed them up:

1. Truthfulness:
"O you who believe! keep your duty to Allah and speak straight, true words." (Quran 33:70)
"Be maintainers of justice and bearers of true witness for Allah, even if it (the truth) goes against your own selves or parents or relatives or someone who is rich or poor." (Quran 4:135)

2. Tolerance
"Bear patiently what they (abusers) say." (Quran 20:130)
"Disregard their annoying talk." (Quran 33:48)
"When you hear Allah's messages disbelieved in and mocked at, sit not with them until they enter into some other talk." (Quran 4:140)
"And if you invite them to guidance, they hear not; and you see them looking towards you, yet they see not. Take to forgiveness and enjoin good and turn away from the ignorant." (Quran 7:198 – 199)
"The Messenger of Allah and his Companions used to forgive the idolaters and the followers of the book, as Allah had commanded them, and they used to show patience on hearing hurtful words." (Bukhari.)

3. Unselfishness:
"You cannot attain to righteousness unless you spend (in charity) out of those things which you love." (Quran 3 : 91)
"They (the true believers) give food, out of love for Allah, to the poor, the orphan and the slave, saying: We feed you only for Allah's pleasure – we desire from you neither reward nor thanks." (Quran 76 : 8 – 9)
"Do not favour seeking gain." (Quran 74 : 6)

4. Humility:
"The servants of the Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility." (Quran 25:63)
"Do not turn your face away from people in contempt, nor go about in the land exultingly." (Quran 31:18)
"Do not ascribe purity to yourselves. Allah knows best who is righteous." (Quran 53:32)

5. Patience:
"Allah loves those who are patient." (Quran 3:145)
"Give good news to the patient, who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: We are Allah's and to Him do we return." (Quran 2:155 – 156)

6. Forgiveness:
"Pardon (people) and overlook (their faults). Don't you love that Allah should forgive you." (Quran 24:22)
"(The dutiful are) . . . those who restrain their anger and pardon people. Allah loves those who do good to others." (Quran 3:134)
When the Holy Prophet Muhammad defeated his enemies in Makka and returned to that city as its conqueror, he forgave them in the following words: "No reproof be against you this day; Allah may forgive you, and He is the most Merciful of those who show mercy." (Quran 12:92)

7. Purity and cleanliness:
"He indeed is successful who purifies himself (in mind and body), and remembers the name of his Lord, then prays." (Quran 87 : 14 – 15)
"Purify your garments and shun uncleanness." (74 : 4 – 5)

8. Honesty:
"Do not swallow up your property among yourselves by false means, nor offer it as a bribe to the officials so that you may swallow up other people's property unlawfully while you know." (Quran 2:188)

9. Goodness and kindness to others:
"Do good to others, surely Allah loves those who do good to others." (2:195)

10. Respect for other People Affairs:
"O you who believe! do not enter houses other than your own until you have asked permission and greeted the inmates . . . and if it is said to you, 'Go back', then go back." (Quran 24: 27 – 28)
"O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion (against others), for surely suspicion in some cases is sin; and do not spy (into other people's affairs), nor let some of you backbite others." (Quran 49:12)

11. Moderation:
"Eat and drink, but do not be immoderate." (Quran 7:31)
"Do not chain your hand to your neck (so that you are mean in spending), nor stretch it out to the utmost limit (so that you waste everything)." (Quran 17:29)

12. Respect your Parents and the elderly:
"Your Lord has commanded that you worship none but Him, and do good to parents. If one or both of them reach old age with you, do not say 'Fie' to them, nor chide them, but speak to them a generous word . . . and say, My Lord, have mercy on them as they brought me up when I was little." (Quran 17: 23 – 24).

13. Help the Poor and needy:
"Righteous is he who . . . gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free." (Quran 2:177)
"What will make you understand what the uphill road (to success) is? (It is) to free a slave, or feed at a time of hunger an orphan who is a relative or the poor man lying in the dust." (Quran 90:11 – 16)

14. Do Good to your Neighbours:
"Be good to the neighbour belonging to your people and the alien neighbour." (Quran 4:36)
"He is not a believer who fills his stomach while his neighbour is hungry." (Hadith)
"The angel Gabriel continued to enjoin upon me good treatment of the neighbour, so much so that I thought he would make him heir to one's property." (Bukhari.)

15. Respect and do good to your Wives/Husbands:
"Of His (Allah's) signs is that He created spouses for you from yourselves so that you might find quiet of mind in them, and He put between you love and compassion." (Quran 30:21)
"The best of you are those who are kindest to their wives." (Tirmizi.)
A man related:
"I asked Aishah (Holy Prophet's wife): What did the Prophet do when in his house? She said, `He served his wife', meaning that he did work for his wife." (Report in Bukhari.)

16. Forgive your Enemies:
"Repel evil with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you there is enmity will be like a warm friend." (Quran 41:34)
"Many of the people of the book wish that they could turn you back into disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from themselves. . .. But pardon and forgive." (Quran 2:109)
"And you will always find treachery in them, except a few of them. So pardon them and forgive. Surely Allah loves those who do good to others." (Quran 5:13)

17. Treatment of Non-Muslims:
"Whatever good they (people of other religions) do, they will not be denied it (by Allah), and Allah knows who the righteous are." (3:115)
"O you who believe, be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice; and do not let the hatred of a people incite you not to act with justice. Be just; that is nearer to observance of duty." (Quran 5 :
"Call (others) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner." (Quran 16:125)
"Argue not with the people of the Book (Jews, Christians, and other people having scriptures) except by the best (means), save those of them who act unjustly. But say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit." (Quran 29:46)
A companion of the Holy Prophet relates:
"A funeral procession passed by the Holy Prophet, and he stood up for it. People said to him: It was the funeral of a Jew. He said: Was it not a human life?" (Bukhari.)

18. Kindness to Mankind generally
"Mankind is a single nation." (2:213)
"O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into races and families so that you may know each other. The most honoured of you in Allah's sight are those who best keep their duty." (49:13)
"We (Allah) have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy to the nations." (21:107)
"Speak good words to all people." (2:83)
"Allah commands you that . . . when you judge between people (i.e., of any race, religion, family, class, etc.), you judge with justice." (4:58)

Brother, you have said everything. There is nothing left for me to say. May Allah reward you all abundantly.

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Islam › Re: His Name Is Allah by udatso: 10:43am On Oct 15, 2014

nice one . . i hope the non muslims would see this and help the grasp the proper meaning of Allah

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Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 1:25pm On Oct 14, 2014

malvisguy212:
1. Your father, a pagan,use to perfoam a ritual,if you are a prophet of the true God.will you continue the ritual in worshiping God?you know it wrong. 2.muhammad introducd allah ,his father gods when he destroyed the 360 god and then introduce his father god as Allah.

this is a clear proof of the fact that you didnt understand a bit of what I sent.
what gives me comfort is that when I reply , its not meant for you alone , others who might think you have a solid point would only see it crumbling like a heap of leaves

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 1:21pm On Oct 14, 2014

malvisguy212:
you are only exposing your self,allowu udatso to relply he is more interlingent than you,you are making things hard for hm.muhammad called his father kafur but he say IT IS NO SIN FOR ANYONE WHO PERFOARM TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND MARWA. Dos your post make sens bro?
Abeg go seat down.

please desist from altering such statements. its not about who is more intelligent. we are all muslims and we are all entitled to reply to you.
@Abdulsalam, may Allah reward you abundantly for making things clearer.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 8:23am On Oct 14, 2014

malvisguy212:
1.

MUHAMMAD AS A PROPHET Muhammad’s father’s name was AbduAllah (Abdullai) and his mother’s
name was Aminah. His grandfather’s name was Muttalib. They were
idol worshipers.

2.

A careful study of islam brought by Muhammad
reveals that it is a continuation of his father’s idol worship even
though they said islam is against any form of idol worship. Islam is not
idol worship on the pages of quran but it is in truth and practice. Let us examine islamic mode of worship: 1. TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND
MARWA Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated
with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located
at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the
two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelations. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik:
"Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?"
He said, "Yes, AS IT WAS
THE CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE
TILL Allah REVEALED 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al- Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him
who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to
perform Tawaf between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)
You can see from the above hadith that what was being practiced by
idol worshipers before islam was incorporated into it. I mean islam continues with the ways of idol worshipers. 2. REQUIREMENT OF IHRAM
Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this
practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was
revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for
worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a
place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever
assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)
They continued their pagan ways of worship even when they
embraced islam. 3. PRAYING 5 TIMES TOWARDS MECCA Pagans prior to
Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it
with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al- Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers
per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains
with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.
Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day.

I have numbered your quoted comment so that I can reply to you comprehensively. I will be very brief with my replies.
1.

if your father's name is muhammad and your mother's name is aisha and they are both muslims, does that make you a muslim?

2.

if the solution for a recurrence relation is Aⁿ + B³ as it was thought by the teacher, after 10 years, innovation gets in and it was then solved the wrong way thereby leading to wrong answers but they didnt care cos they felt it was right. then later someone came to correct it and restore it to the original way it was solved. tell me , will you accuse the person who corrected their ways of following their footsteps?

let me make it easier for you.
mr A built mosque for. the worship of God, after some years, it was turned to a shrine, thrn later mr B came and cleared the house of idols and restore it back to what it was. are you going to accuse mr B of being a pagan?

lastly I want you to know that idol worshipping as you have confirmed yourself has no place in islam . the fact that the mode of worship might look like idol worshipping to you doesn't make it so……

for once pull hear from bigotry and see it used for what its meant for

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Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 7:18am On Oct 14, 2014

malvisguy212:
the proof is not for atheist,but for idol worshippers,but the manner in which muslims worship allah,is the same way pagan worship there gods,infact muhammad retain many ritual for the worship of allah. It in the hadith.

bring your proof if what you say is the truth

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 6:05am On Oct 14, 2014

udatso:
sir, what you just wrote is full of confusion and can cause divison.
sorry,. I have made my decision . I do not live in confusion or self denial of truth. I Think I will pass. thank you

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 6:04am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
. Let us not create a division because of religion but to know the truth is the basic thing. Everyone has the decision to make but everyone just have to pick either life or death.

sir, what you just wrote is full of confusion and can cause divison.
sorry,. I have made my decision . I do not live in confusion or self denial of truth. I Think I will pass. thank you

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:53am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
God created the world through his word.. Jesus is the word of God. The word is the creator. Jesus therefore is the creator, then why disturb ourselves on who to follow. Let us not create a division because of religion but to know the truth is the basic thing. Everyone has the decision to make but everyone just have to pick either life or death.

AdeSolution:
God created the world through his word.. Jesus is the word of God. The word is the creator. Jesus therefore is the creator,.

are you high? please stop whatever you take its bad for you. first God is the creator then jesus is the creator. who is God and who is jesus. ? I think you need to clear your confusions first. if (x,y) = p then x≠ p .

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:43am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
Mariam, the mother of Jesus.

do you mean mary the mother of God in your spurious claims

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:40am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
As well, no female was made mentioned of in the quoran apart from Mariam, .

and so?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:38am On Oct 14, 2014*

AdeSolution:
The quoran made it known that Jesus is the word after talking about Jesus in 25 places compared to Mohammed;in four places. Jesus is referred to as the Word;spirit of God and Jesus Christ and that is in the quoran..

guess who is another word from God in the quran apart from jesus (as). if you don't know then you haven't done justice to your research

how many times was moses mentioned in the Qur'an? 136 times .

have you ever done research on what word or spirit from/of God means in the quranic or islamic perspective

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:27am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
I have gone through lots of researches, read more of books on religion and have heard much, but it sincerely got the ground that there is only one God and that is the God of Israel. .

true. there is only one God but He is the God of all. He is not for israel alone

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:21am On Oct 14, 2014

AdeSolution:
Someone said:he is the way....truth and life...
Someone said he doesnt knw ur end...common who worths being followed

.

and that same person who says he is the way the truth and the life talked about another comforter coming to guide you into all truth. in your research and wisdom, you never found out who he is?

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 5:16am On Oct 14, 2014*

malvisguy212:
The quran ask for proofs. THIS IS IT.
Isaiah 42:8-9, the true God says: “I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to ANOTHER
or my praise to IDOLS. See, the former things have taken place, and
new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”

SHALOM

nice proof. but the proof you gave me is either for atheist or idol worshippers who don't belief in the existence of God or worship idols respectively. and the last time I checked am none of the two. read the quran verse again and give the proof needed . if your brain can't understand a simple demand, am sorry I can't help you with that.

Christianity Etc › Re: Without Jesus No One Will Enter Heaven by udatso: 7:52pm On Oct 13, 2014

AND THEY claim, "None shall ever enter paradise
unless he be a Jew" - or, "a Christian". Such are
their wishful beliefs! Say: "Produce an evidence
for what you are claiming, if what you say is
true!"

qur'an 2:11

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Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 3:17pm On Oct 13, 2014

BraveGuy:
When did your Quran's Allah become equal with the Almighty God?

so if you don't agree that its same God, why are you and your lying master merging events of these books together and thereby falsely charge qur'an of an account whose record can only be found in the bible

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Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 3:11pm On Oct 13, 2014

BraveGuy:
Which of your so-called scholars have been bold enough to challenge Sam Shamoun in a debate? They are always running all over the place, making spurious claims that betray nothing but different degrees of inferiority complexes.

you really don't read do you. he has debated with shabir ally and also the brother in answeringchristianity (forgot his name). and besides why would anyone want to debate a liar who never admits when he is wrong . I hope you are not following his footsteps?

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 3:07pm On Oct 13, 2014

BraveGuy:
If the op is not worth replying to, then why did not ignore it, but still went ahead to make your rubbish comments ... ... ... do you think at all? If you don't want me to start quoting all those satanic verses from your quoran, shut up!

I guess you didn't read the comment I quoted. let me help you . I was replying to malvisguy212 who claimed the op hasnt been answerd. i made him realise why the op wasnt replied was because its a senseless comparison .

Christianity Etc › Re: Femi Aribasala On Trinity Doctrine by udatso: 10:08pm On Oct 11, 2014

jnrbayano:
Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Who is Isaiah refering to here?

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 8:33pm On Oct 11, 2014

malvisguy212:
read the op and read the coment,up till now,non of you guys has answer my qustion,how do you reconcile this word? Spirit of God,word of God and son of God?

i have read the op and its really not worth replying to. different words and personality of certain people mean different things for both faiths(Islam and Christianity ). for example when you call jesus (pbuh), as a muslim i see a prophet and messenger of Allah but a christian on the other hand sees a God. how can you go to the quran and quote verses to prove that in islam only Allah deserves the title Lord and then you go to the bible to quote verses where david and elizabeth addresses jesus as lord and then conclude that with respect to the bible the quran proves or shows that jesus was worshipped as God. Are you insane? Give us evidence where the quran shows that they did. Atleast let there be some level of maturity in your lies if you cant stop it. The fact that you are trying to force your teachings into a different faith from yours is not only dubious but mischievous. sam shamoun who has earned himself a status of international liar always comes up with distorted and spurious claims and i thought by now you guys should have learnt that his nefarious acts should be totally ignored

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Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 11:51am On Oct 11, 2014

The truth is there for everyone to see. @ larow May Allah open your eyes to the truth. malvisguy212. thanks for giving us the opportunity to expose the truth.

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 11:30am On Oct 11, 2014

Rilwayne001:
Masterful exegesis

Thanks brother . All credits go to Brother Shabir Ally. may Allah reward him and all of us abundantly

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Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 11:26am On Oct 11, 2014

Continuation
Even if God really did announce his name to be "I am" as in Exodus, chapter 3, verse 15, this still does not prove that Jesus applied the name "I am" to himself. Jesus never said his name is "I am". He is quoted as saying “Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58). If "I am" is Jesus name, then we should be able to replace the "I am" in this passage with "Jesus," since these are both names of Jesus. The passage would then read as follows: "Before Abraham was, Jesus." This, of course, makes no sense because the idea that Jesus called himself "I am" is not there in the text, but it is someone's own interpretation forced into the text. Notice that we would have no difficulty replacing the "I am" in Exodus 3:15 with either "God" or "Yahweh", as follows: This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "God has sent me to you" (Exod 3:15). This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "Yahweh has sent me to you" (Exod 3: 15).
Another point worth paying attention to is this: the writer of the fourth gospel never believed Jesus to be God. This proves that Jesus never said he is God. Otherwise, how could it be possible that the author of the fourth gospel never knew it? He believed that the Father is the only true God, and that Jesus is the Christ and messenger of God (see John 17:3).
Furthermore, a distinction which is present in the Greek version of the Bible is lost from the English versions. In the Septuagint Greek version of the Old Testament, the phrase translated "I am" is "ho on "in the Greek. If the author of the fourth Gospel wanted to show his readers that Jesus repeated the phrase, he would no doubt have quoted Jesus as saying, "Before Abraham was, ho on." But he did not. Instead, he quoted Jesus as saying, "Before Abraham was, ego eimi." Readers of his Greek manuscript, then, would have seen that Jesus' statement in John 8:58 is different from God's statement in Exodus 3: 15. And this, of course, is what the author ofthe fourth Gospel intended.
Furthermore, the Syriac Peshitta version ofthe Bible, one of the old versions of the Bible, reads in John8:58, "Before Abraham was, I was. " Was this changed from what the author wrote? How can we know? Suppose this was the original phrase, then those who rest their case on the common rendering will be disappointed on the Day of Judgment. Why not rest our case on a much more plain verse of the Bible - one in which Jesus clearly differentiates between himself and God? Take this one for example, where Jesus says to his enemies: You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God" (John 8:40). Who is Jesus then? A man who told the truth which he heard from God. In other words, he was a messenger of God. When a clear statement like this is issued from the lips of Jesus, why wrangle with the passages that are not so clear, and try to twist them to mean the opposite of what Jesus has been saying in other clear verses all along?
Anyone who wishes to convince himself/herself that Jesus is God should look for clear evidence in the Bible to show that Jesus is God. But the clear evidence is to the contrary. The Bible teaches again and again that Jesus is not God, but a Servant of God (e.g. Matthew 12:18).
In the very next chapter of John, chapter 9, v.35, Jesus declares that he is the son of man (RSV). And anyone who knows the Bible as the Israelites to whom Jesus spoke will know that a son of man cannot be God. The Bible declares that God is neither a man nor a son of man (Numbers 23: 19). How can he be called clean that is born of a woman? Behold even the moon , and it shineth not: yea, the stars are not pure in his sight . How much is man, that is a worm? and the son of man , which is a worm? Gob 25:4-6)

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 11:17am On Oct 11, 2014

Larow:
Abdusalam20! What are you trying to say? Dat am wrong? Didn't the holy quran call Jesus the word? Go back and read my former post and study your quran! After this, come back and talk.

there is a comprehensive reply on this by Dr Zakir Naik. even though this issue has been trashed severally but for the sake of new nlanders and guests, i would address this again
1.
The Qur’an mentions Chapter 3 verse 45"Behold! The angels said: O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus. The son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those Nearest to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) is referred in the Qur’an as a word from Allah and not as ‘the word of Allah’.
"A word" of Allah means a message of Allah. If a person is referred to as "a word" from Allah, it means that he is a Messenger or a Prophet of Allah.

2.
THE TITLE OF A PROPHET (PBUH) DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT EXCLUSIVELY BELONGS TO THAT PROPHET (PBUH)
Different titles are given to different prophets (pbut). Whenever a title is given to a prophet (pbuh), it does not necessarily mean that the other prophets do not have the same characteristic or quality. For e.g. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Khaleelullah, a friend of Allah. This does not indicate that all the other Prophets (pbuh) were not the friends of Allah. Prophet Moses (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kaleemullah, indicating that God spoke to him. This does not mean that God did not speak to others. Similarly when Jesus (pbuh) is referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah, "a word from Allah", it does not mean that the other Prophets were not "the word," of Allah.

3.
JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED "A WORD" OF ALLAH
Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah i.e. a word of Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39
"There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!
While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous." [Al-Qur’an 3:39]

4.
JESUS (PBUH) REFERRED AS RUHULLAH – A SPIRIT OF ALLAH
Jesus (pbuh) also never referred to as Ruhullah "a spirit of Allah" but as a spirit from Allah in Surah Nisa Chapter 4 verse 171 "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘Trinity’: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al-Qur’an 4:171]

5.
SPIRIT OF ALLAH IS BREATHED IN EVERY HUMAN BEING
A spirit from Allah does not indicate that Jesus (pbuh) is God. The Qur’an mentions in several places that Allah breathed into the human beings "His Spirit" in Surah Al-Hijr, chapter 15 verse 29 in Surah Sajdah, chapter 32 verse 9
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." [Al-Qur’an 15:29]
"But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!"
[Al-Qur’an 32:9]

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 10:48am On Oct 11, 2014

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 10:42am On Oct 11, 2014

Abdulsalam20:
jazakumullahu khairan you are right

wa iyyakum ya akhi

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 10:41am On Oct 11, 2014

"Before Abraham was, l am,"
John 8:58 is one of the most misused verses of the Bible. Because Jesus in that verse says "Before Abraham was, I am," two implications, one unnecessary, and the other false, are drawn from that verse. The unnecessary implication is that since Jesus existed before Abraham that means he existed always. This is a preconceived notion that people force into the text. "Before Abraham" does not mean "always". Melchezidek in the Bible is shown to have existed before Abraham (Hebrews 7:3). Does that mean that Melchezidek is God? Obviously, we cannot take a created being as God.
The false implication is that Jesus by saying "I am" was uttering God's name which God declared to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. The Bible is confusing On this Point because it gives three versions of God's calling Moses, and the three versions do not agree with each other. The best that can be said is that the name of God announced there is Yahweh. Compare the three versions below:
1. The Yahwist version (Exod 6:28 - 7:7) says nothing about the name of God being revealed because for the Yahwist editors the name Yahweh was already known among the Israelites. They say that this name was being used since the time of Enosh, the grandson of Adam (Genesis 4:26).
2. The priestly version (Exod 6:2-13) contradicts this by saYing that this name was not known before (Exod 6:2). God's command to Moses here is So say to the Israelites, "lam Yahweh ..." (Exod 6:6), and Moses repeated this to them (6:9).

3. But in the Elohist version (Exod 3:13-22) God's instruction to Moses is different. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "I am has sent me to you" (Exod 3: 15). It would appear from this that God's name is "I am," but it is clear upon careful study that in this passage the Elohist scribes substituted "I am" for "Yahweh" in the same instruction given in (Exod 6:6).

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 10:31am On Oct 11, 2014

I like malvisguy212 for this, when he creates topics like this, he gives opportunity to fellow christians to learn as so many things are been exposed. … even though he might not want to learn
at thesame time he saves us the stress of creating the threads .

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 10:18am On Oct 11, 2014

malvisguy212:
all what you wrote are lies and misinterpretation of the word of God.JESUS SAY"BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS,I AM" This mean he exist at the beginning and he use the title God use when He called moses,God say I AM THAT I AM,now compered it to what jesus say"before abraham was I AM"in other word,before the world begin I AM" the quran called jesus the word of God and spirit from God and bible called him son of God,how do you reconcile it?

my aim was to correct what you said. I never misinterpreted the bible. you quoted out of the context and I brought the context yet am the one lying.
before abraham was, I am is another verse wrongly used to support the didvinity of jesus. I will also correct this as soon as possible.
and talking of reconciling verses , you shouldn't even go there cos I really dont see how we can reconcile so many verses following your context

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 12:17am On Oct 11, 2014

7. Jesus tried to explain to them that even if he said something which they misinterpreted as meaning that Jesus is claiming to be God, they should realize that some human beings were called gods' in the Bible, and the Jews do not disagree with this (verse 35), so they should not disagree with Jesus so quickly before he gets a chance to explain his words. To get a fuller understanding of what Jesus is saying here, let us refer to the Bible passage to which he called their attention. The passage is in the 82nd Psalm: "I said, 'you are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler." (Psalms 82:7- cool

The verse from the Psalms shows that God had honored some humans by calling them "gods." But of course they were not really gods. This is just a figurative expression used in the Bible. Jesus reminded the Jews of this so that they should understand that even if he says something that makes them think he is claiming to be God, they should take it as a figurative expression that does not mean what it sounds like. Furthermore Jesus clarified that what he actually said was that he was God's Son (John 10:36). He says that if others can be called "gods," he does not see why they object to him calling himself God's Son which means that God had selected him and sent him with a message for the people.
The clear meaning of the passage, then, is that Jesus is not God. He is one selected by God (i.e. he is Mustafa) and he is sent by God (i.e. he is God's Messenger). When he calls himself God's Son he means nothing more than that. Yet, despite the detailed study of the passage as above, some will hold on to tradition and reject the explanation that Jesus provided in verses 34-36. They will insist on taking verse 30 out of its context and give it a meaning which Jesus said is the wrong meaning. They will then agree with what the Jews said and disagree with what Jesus said. This attitude leads to confusion, as we will presently see. Even if verse 30 is taken in isolation to change its meaning from what Jesus meant, it does not solve anything. It only raises more problems. Jesus cannot be one and the same as the Father whereas he said himself that the Father is greater than he (John 14:28). Jesus said that he and the Father are in fact two (John 8:14-18). And no one had seen God at any time although they had already seen Jesus John 4:12).
The best solution for all this is to go back to the teachings of Jesus himself, then you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free (John 8:31-32).
Source: IS JESUS GOD by Shabir Ally

Islam › Re: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 5:01pm On Oct 10, 2014

6. Jesus admits that he said, "I am God's Son" (verse 36). But he said that this means nothing more than the fact that God had set him apart as his very own and sent him into the world (verse 36). The fact that God set him apart means that God selected him for a task, set him apart from the rest. The Arabic title for a person like this is Mustafa (meaning The Chosen One). All of God's Prophets deserve this title. The fact that God sent him into the world means that he is God's Messenger. He is sent with a message from God. Obviously, the God who sent Jesus is not Jesus himself.

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