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5. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) the Jews picked up stones to stone him (verse 31). Jesus could not understand their behavior, because he had said nothing wrong. So he asked them what he had done wrong to make them want to stone him (verse 32). They replied that Jesus had committed blasphemy since he was only a man yet he claimed to be God (verse 33). But it is clear from the Bible passage above that Jesus did not claim to be God. He only claimed to be the Christ (verse 25). When did he say he was God? They were deliberately misquoting Jesus and Putting words in his mouth which they will try to use later as false evidence against him so they could have an excuse to kill him. |
4. Jesus said that the Father is greater than all (John 10:29), including Jesus. Anyone having any doubt about this can read John 14:28 where Jesus declares: "The Father is greater than I." In spite of this clear statement of Jesus, many who claim to follow him insist that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe - Jesus himself or those who claim to follow him? His true followers can be distinguished as the ones who stick to what Jesus himself said. Here is what Jesus directed his followers to do: If you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples. Then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:31-32) |
3. No one can snatch away the disciples from Jesus (John 10:28), because they were given to him by the Father, and the Father is greater than all (verse 29). Since the Father is helping Jesus to keep his disciples, no one can snatch them out of Jesus' hand just as they cannot snatch them out of the Father's hand. When Jesus said that he and the Father are one, he means exactly this: that the Father is helping him to accomplish his tasks; and when he is busy trying to save his disciples from being snatched away by the evil one, the Father is making sure that not one of them will be lost except, of course, the one who was to betray him. |
2. The true followers of Jesus will never perish, because Jesus gives them eternal life. According to the same Gospel (John 17:3), eternal life means to believe that the Father is the only true God, and that Jesus is the Christ and messenger of that one true God. Jesus gives this knowledge to all those whom the Father has given to him (John chapter 17:2). What Jesus was speaking, then, were the words which, if believed, will mean eternal life for all those who believe in them. This is why in the same Gospel, Peter is quoted as saying on behalf of the disciple to Jesus, "You have the words of eternal life. We know and believe that you are the Holy One of God" (John 6:6869). So they believed that Jesus was not God, but the Holy One whom God sent (i.e. the Christ and Messenger of God). The Good News Bible makes this passage slightly plainer: You have the words that give eternal life. And now we believe and know that you are the Holy One who has come from God. (John 6:68-69) |
udatso:"I and the Father are one" John 10:30 is often quoted to show that Jesus is equal to God. But when you read the verse in its context you will find that the passage taken as a whole proves the opposite. People are often content to quote the verse in isolation to show that Jesus said "1 and the Father are one" and then the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they understood him to mean that he is claiming to be God. It is only when you read the passage to see what comes before and after this verse that you will realize that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying. In fact, Jesus tried to explain what he meant, and the explanation he gave is still in the Bible for everyone to see. It is surprising that so many people who say they love Jesus ignore his explanation and repeat the mistake which was made by the enemies of Jesus. Here is the passage as it appears in the New International Version of the Bible: (22)It was winter,( 23) and Jesus was in the temple area, walking in Solomon's Colonnade. (24) "The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (25)Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, (26)"but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. (27) "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (28) "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of my hand. (29)"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. (30) "I and the Father are one." (31) "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,(32) "but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? (35) "If he called them 'gods' to whom the word of God came - and the scripture cannot be broken - (36) "what about one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?" (John 10:22-36). The passage when viewed as a whole shows clearly that Jesus is not God. Let us observe the following points: 1. The disbelieving Jews insisted that Jesus should tell them if indeed he is the Christ so they should not remain in suspense about his identity (verse 24). A Christ as the title is used in the Bible refers to a human being who is anointed as King of Israel. The title is used for other humans as well (e.g. Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus the Persian is called God's Christ). The Jews were expecting another Christ (Christ is a Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah, and the Arabic word Maseeh). So they asked Jesus whether he was the one they were waiting for. Jesus replied that he had already told them, and he even performed miracles in God's name to prove his claim to be the Christ (verse 25), yet they do not believe him (verse 26) because they are not Jesus' sheep (verse 26). Those whom the Father had given to Jesus, are Jesus' sheep (followers), and they believe Jesus when he said that he is the Christ (verses 27-29). |
malvisguy212:this is an error that needs to be corrected . and I will get back to you soon |
I would have responded to the op but it holds No truth. just obfuscation. |
Rilwayne001:they have been beating around the bush |
Good news I must say |
paxonel:I didn't want to reply you again but it turns out you are misinformed. listen kid, in Islam section, Christians flood in to ask questions, attack,abuse critise, denigrate, blaspheme. etc. but since you are a little baby who is new to nairaland , you wouldn't know. as for your third question Am not so sure you are sane. your next post would prove me right. prove to me that you are not mad. |
Smallville10: |
paxonel:Yeah I get it. Christianity is full of logic like 1+1+1=1. you sir sure know How to disgrace yourself . learn to respect yourself. people are reading your post. and Thanks for the insult. it's not the first time I have faced your kind. you abuse when someone disagrees with your "logical" explanation |
paxonel:Hmmm.I was on my own when someone asked us to ask difficult Bible questions. all I did. was ask. my religion is sufficient for me I have No use for a religion that it's adherent can't even understand what it's about. quoting illogical statements to falsify a clear and direct statement is what you and smallville have been doing. smallville started from falsely quoting Isaiah and when he realised that he messed up, he shifted to Micah, Daniel and so on even went ahead to tell us to look elsewhere to bring a proof the Bible said it's in the Scriptures. you on the other hand hijacked the whole issue and started talking about non sequito without clearly answering anything. you can fool your Christian friends but nit me. the Good thing is Everyone would see How you guys failed woefullyat the question asked. ....Am out |
paxonel:but wait ooo. were you seeing right when you typed this. |
paxonel:are You even listening to yourself ? you are trying to twist a very simple verse with your logic. give a verse in the old testament that predicts jesus dying and rising on the third day . |
paxonel:Please enlighten me |
jdlight. you have been online but you have refused to answer me. you were even online yeaterday. |
Pr0ton:Someone created a thread seeking for difficult Bible questions, I have already posted your question there. hopefully you get your answer there www.nairaland.com/1932192/difficult-bible-questions#26845384 |
Smallville10:I said keep quiet science student. you are in the wrong class, this is a theology class. I won't ask again |
Smallville10:can you Please be quiet and let people that have knowledge reply to this.you wanted to solve difficult Bible questions. and the first question I asked, you kept quoting verses that totally have nothing to do with this. from Isaiah to Daniel to Micah to Malachi. let people who have done a proper research answer this. the verses are demanding for scriptural references and you are talking about thinking out of box. was it out of box you got your guidance from. was it not the bible? |
bigblangston:Yeah. I was going to also bring back this. it wasn't 3 days and 3 night. but I want them to finish with this ccurrent ones first. |
malvisguy212:your explanations are not clear. please explain with references from the Bible So I can follow up |
MightySparrow:I believe you forgot the quotations again. Let me help you out Luke 24:46 " and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written , that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead" And... The inspired Apostle Paul 1 st Corinthians 15:4 " that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on the third day in accordance with the scriptures " 3rd day occur in both verses and you are giving your explanation that it's not important? |
They can't even give a clear concept of God without contradicting each other. Haha, the last time a missionary guy knocked at my door and asked if he could share the word of God with me , I asked him which of the God? I wonder how you would expect a non Christian who would want to be take in all of this. Meanwhile keep it up, I have been picking lots of points here. |
Smallville10: daniel 9v24, micah 7v20, mal 3v1Okay so we have shifted from isaiah. It's like you do not read the quotations you give here. Let's take a look at Daniel 9v24 (“Seventy weeks[ a ] are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of[ b] sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.) please show me where it talks of dying and then rising on the 3rd day Again let's look at micah 7v20 ( hou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.) Again how does this solve the problem Let's look at your last quotation malachi 3v1 ( “Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.) How do all these talk about Jesus been persecuted /died and rose on the third day. Next time you put a verse, you should confirm it before doing that |
TODAY IS EIDUL ADHA : 1. Wake up early. 2. Engage in personal cleanliness 3. Brush ur teeth. 4. Offer Salatul Fajr. 5. Take Eid Ghusl (bath). 6. Put on ur best clothes available. 7. Use perfume (men only).8. Go to prayer ground early.9. Offer Salaat-al-Eid in congregation in an open place except when whether is not permitting like rain, snow, etc.10. Use two separate routes to and from the prayer ground.11. Recite the following Takbir on the way to Salaat and until the Asr on the 12th Zdilhijjah: Allahu Akbar, llahu-Akbar. La ila-ha ill-lal-lah. Wa llahu - Akbar, llahu-Akbar. Wa-lilahill hamd. 12. Eat breakfast after Salaat. 13. Slaughter ur ram & distribute it normally. 14. Spread ur deeds to less prevledg pple. 15. Salamo to everybody. 16. Visit or call ur families everywhere. 17. Run away for all sins. Etc.May Allah accept it as an act of ibadah. Happy eid kabir |
Smallville10: READ ISAIAH 9I have read the chapter an d I çant find a place where ("and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written , that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead"" or where ( " that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on the third day in accordance with the scriptures " is written. Maybe I. Must have missed it. Could you please point out the verse |
Freksy: Scripture talks about Jesus' suffering, death and subsequent resurrection in many places, prophetic terms and sign(s). Prominent among these, and in connection to your concern is "the sign of Jonah".Even though this explanation is wrong, I will come to it later. Where in the old testament was his 3 days mentioned. What you have done is still quote from the new testament and relate it to the old testament. What am asking is quote (a prophecy) from the old testament and relate it to the 3 days. And as for the sign of Jonas, it's not similar to Jesus as the Bible tells us |
Here is one problem. www.nairaland.com/1922990/christians-problem#26668475 Quoting pr0ton And this Jesus is just too wonderful that I find wonders in His words. Ok. Here is the problem: Luke 24:46 " and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written , that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead" And... The inspired Apostle Paul 1 st Corinthians 15:4 " that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on the third day in accordance with the scriptures " Jesus and Paul allededly declear that it is written in the scriptures/Old Testament that the Christ would die and be raised from the dead on the third day . Just where can I find this in the Old Testament? That's the problem. Thanks |
Brothers and sisters, let's not forget to read الله أكبر الله أكبر لا إله إلا الله و الله أكبر ولله الحمد |
It feels so good to always have that feeling of "oh, this is my baby" not a father yet but I pray to be in due time. @seun, Seun. please reply to this https://www.nairaland.com/1931729/seun-maclatunji-mukina-kindly-explain |
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