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IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:35pm On Oct 10, 2014
5. When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) the Jews picked up stones to stone him (verse 31). Jesus could not understand their behavior, because he had said nothing wrong. So he asked them what he had done wrong to make them want to stone him (verse 32). They replied that Jesus had committed blasphemy since he was only a man yet he claimed to be God (verse 33). But it is clear from the Bible passage above that Jesus did not claim to be God. He only claimed to be the Christ (verse 25). When did he say he was God? They were deliberately misquoting Jesus and Putting words in his mouth which they will try to use later as false evidence against him so they could have an excuse to kill him.
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:17pm On Oct 10, 2014
4. Jesus said that the Father is greater than all (John 10:29), including Jesus. Anyone having any doubt about this can read John 14:28 where Jesus declares: "The Father is greater than I." In spite of this clear statement of Jesus, many who claim to follow him insist that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe - Jesus himself or those who claim to follow him? His true followers can be distinguished as the ones who stick to what Jesus himself said. Here is what Jesus directed his followers to do: If you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples. Then you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:31-32)
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:14pm On Oct 10, 2014
3. No one can snatch away the disciples from Jesus (John 10:28), because they were given to him by the Father, and the Father is greater than all (verse 29). Since the Father is helping Jesus to keep his disciples, no one can snatch them out of Jesus' hand just as they cannot snatch them out of the Father's hand. When Jesus said that he and the Father are one, he means exactly this: that the Father is helping him to accomplish his tasks; and when he is busy trying to save his disciples from being snatched away by the evil one, the Father is making sure that not one of them will be lost except, of course, the one who was to betray him.
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:12pm On Oct 10, 2014
2. The true followers of Jesus will never perish, because Jesus gives them eternal life. According to the same Gospel (John 17:3), eternal life means to believe that the Father is the only true God, and that Jesus is the Christ and messenger of that one true God. Jesus gives this knowledge to all those whom the Father has given to him (John chapter 17:2). What Jesus was speaking, then, were the words which, if believed, will mean eternal life for all those who believe in them. This is why in the same Gospel, Peter is quoted as saying on behalf of the disciple to Jesus, "You have the words of eternal life. We know and believe that you are the Holy One of God" (John 6:6869). So they believed that Jesus was not God, but the Holy One whom God sent (i.e. the Christ and Messenger of God). The Good News Bible makes this passage slightly plainer: You have the words that give eternal life. And now we believe and know that you are the Holy One who has come from God. (John 6:68-69)
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 4:08pm On Oct 10, 2014
udatso:
this is an error that needs to be corrected . and I will get back to you soon
"I and the Father are one"
John 10:30 is often quoted to show that Jesus is equal to God. But when you read the verse in its context you will find that the passage taken as a whole proves the opposite.
People are often content to quote the verse in isolation to show that Jesus said "1 and the Father are one" and then the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they understood him to mean that he is claiming to be God. It is only when you read the passage to see what comes before and after this verse that you will realize that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying.
In fact, Jesus tried to explain what he meant, and the explanation he gave is still in the Bible for everyone to see. It is surprising that so many people who say they love Jesus ignore his explanation and repeat the mistake which was made by the enemies of Jesus. Here is the passage as it appears in the New International Version of the Bible:
(22)It was winter,( 23) and Jesus was in the temple area, walking in Solomon's Colonnade. (24) "The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (25)Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, (26)"but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. (27) "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (28) "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of my hand. (29)"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. (30) "I and the Father are one."
(31) "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,(32) "but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? (35) "If he called them 'gods' to whom the word of God came - and the scripture cannot be broken - (36) "what about one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?"
(John 10:22-36).
The passage when viewed as a whole shows clearly that Jesus is not God. Let us observe the following points:
1. The disbelieving Jews insisted that Jesus should tell them if indeed he is the Christ so they should not remain in suspense about his identity (verse 24). A Christ as the title is used in the Bible refers to a human being who is anointed as King of Israel. The title is used for other humans as well (e.g. Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus the Persian is called God's Christ). The Jews were expecting another Christ (Christ is a Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah, and the Arabic word Maseeh). So they asked Jesus whether he was the one they were waiting for. Jesus replied that he had already told them, and he even performed miracles in God's name to prove his claim to be the Christ (verse 25), yet they do not believe him (verse 26) because they are not Jesus' sheep (verse 26). Those whom the Father had given to Jesus, are Jesus' sheep (followers), and they believe Jesus when he said that he is the Christ (verses 27-29).
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 3:51pm On Oct 10, 2014
malvisguy212:
who said God is 3? Jesus said" i and my father are ONE" HE DID NOT SAY TWO BUT HE SAY ONE.
this is an error that needs to be corrected . and I will get back to you soon
IslamRe: The Quran Testifies: David And Elizabeth Worshiped Jesus As God! by udatso: 8:00am On Oct 06, 2014
I would have responded to the op but it holds No truth. just obfuscation.
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 9:28pm On Oct 05, 2014
Rilwayne001:
cry and they couldnt answer this question
they have been beating around the bush
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Internship @ Google Nigeria by udatso: 6:28pm On Oct 05, 2014
Good news I must say
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 6:24pm On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
smallville was absolutely correct. it's just that you are blind,.
imagine, i see online,someone saying ask any question in the quran , wouldn't i allow Muslims who have proper understanding of the quran to ask questions?
why should i jump into another peoples religion to be saying things without knowing anything about logic and argument ? am i mad?
if it is you Muslims you will want to kill.
you be big mumu
rubbish!
you think all christians are mumu that?
ahahahahhhaaa
lol
I didn't want to reply you again but it turns out you are misinformed. listen kid, in Islam section, Christians flood in to ask questions, attack,abuse critise, denigrate, blaspheme. etc. but since you are a little baby who is new to nairaland , you wouldn't know.
as for your third question Am not so sure you are sane. your next post would prove me right. prove to me that you are not mad.
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 6:16pm On Oct 05, 2014
Smallville10:
POST YOUR DIFFICULT BIBLE QUESTIONS YOU DONT UNDERSTAND AND I WILL GIVE YOU ANSWERS
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 4:30pm On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
lol... if you do not have sound mind to understand simple logic then you shouldn't interfer with discusions that has to do with christianity
enterfering with what you are not educated enough to understand!
MUMU!
Ahahahaa ahahaa
lol
Yeah I get it. Christianity is full of logic like 1+1+1=1. you sir sure know How to disgrace yourself . learn to respect yourself. people are reading your post.

and Thanks for the insult. it's not the first time I have faced your kind. you abuse when someone disagrees with your "logical" explanation
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 4:23pm On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
lol... if you do not have sound mind to understand simple logic then you shouldn't interfer with discusions that has to do with christianity
even christians are finding it difficult to understand bible. understanding bible is already a big problem to most christians, do you think they will now leave their problem to come and attend to you non christians to solve your problem of understanding logic so that you will understand bible ?
by the way, why should a christian want you non christians to join Christianity?
everybody have right to practice any religion , it is not by force.
so, stop interfering with what you are not educated enough to understand!
MUMU!
Ahahahaa ahahaa haa
lol
Hmmm.I was on my own when someone asked us to ask difficult Bible questions. all I did. was ask. my religion is sufficient for me I have No use for a religion that it's adherent can't even understand what it's about. quoting illogical statements to falsify a clear and direct statement is what you and smallville have been doing. smallville started from falsely quoting Isaiah and when he realised that he messed up, he shifted to Micah, Daniel and so on even went ahead to tell us to look elsewhere to bring a proof the Bible said it's in the Scriptures. you on the other hand hijacked the whole issue and started talking about non sequito without clearly answering anything. you can fool your Christian friends but nit me. the Good thing is Everyone would see How you guys failed woefullyat the question asked. ....Am out
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 2:49pm On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
do you understand reasoning at all? what is NON SEQUITO? give one example of a argument that illustrate non sequito
but wait ooo. were you seeing right when you typed this.
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 1:54pm On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
so you do not understand reasoning to this extent and you are arguing?
non sequito simply means IT DOES NOT FOLLOW
for instance, if i say,since dogs aggressively bite because they have teeth IT FOLLOWS that goats aggressively bite because they also have teeth. i am not correct.
i am commiting a fallacy known as non sequito, because goats can never be dogs simply because they have teeth. i can only use goat having teeth to illustrate and say that, because goats have teeth and dogs have teeth therefore both are animals
this is the kind of illustration Jesus made, saying because Jonah was in the fish belle for 3 days and 3 night, therefore he is going to be crucified and be in the grave for 3 days
he was only using Jonah's situation to illustrate and describe to the Jews for them to understand what will happen to him shortly, He wasn't saying Jonah's situation was going to be exactly what will happen to him
are You even listening to yourself
? you are trying to twist a very simple verse with your logic. give a verse in the old testament that predicts jesus dying and rising on the third day .
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 10:45am On Oct 05, 2014
paxonel:
do you understand reasoning at all? what is NON SEQUITO? give one example of a argument that illustrate non sequito
Please enlighten me
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do People Focus More On Sin Than On Righteousness by udatso: 9:21am On Oct 05, 2014
jdlight. you have been online but you have refused to answer me. you were even online yeaterday.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, I Have A Problem by udatso: 9:16am On Oct 05, 2014
Pr0ton:
And in the absence of the original script?
Someone created a thread seeking for difficult Bible questions, I have already posted your question there. hopefully you get your answer there
www.nairaland.com/1932192/difficult-bible-questions#26845384
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 8:38am On Oct 05, 2014
Smallville10:
ARE YOU A SCIENCE STUDENT, WELL I GUESS NOT. U ARE BIBLICALLY BLIND THATS WHY U CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE READING. smiley TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ AND THINK BEFORE ARGUING.
I said keep quiet science student. you are in the wrong class, this is a theology class. I won't ask again
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 8:16am On Oct 05, 2014
Smallville10:
IN OTHER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND CERTAIN THINGS YOU OUGHT TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX. NOT ALL ARE RECORDED IN THE BIBLE. I HAVE DONE ALOT OF RESEARCH OUT OF THE BIBLE.
can you Please be quiet and let people that have knowledge reply to this.you wanted to solve difficult Bible questions. and the first question I asked, you kept quoting verses that totally have nothing to do with this. from Isaiah to Daniel to Micah to Malachi. let people who have done a proper research answer this. the verses are demanding for scriptural references and you are talking about thinking out of box. was it out of box you got your guidance from. was it not the bible?
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 6:20am On Oct 05, 2014
bigblangston:
Bt to my own calculation sir, jesus did nt spend 3 days and 3 nights in d earth because he died on friday probably afternoon and he resurrected on sunday (morning or afternoon) then hw did he spend 3 days and 3 nights, pls explain sir
Yeah. I was going to also bring back this. it wasn't 3 days and 3 night. but I want them to finish with this ccurrent ones first.
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 11:05pm On Oct 04, 2014
malvisguy212:
the sacrifice of abraham to isaac is a foreshadowing event of what God
will do to his son as a sacrifice to the world. It take 3DAYS AND 3NIGHT
for the sacrifice to happen, and ond the THIRD DAY God substitute isaac
to the LAMB, on many occation bible liken jesus to be the LAMB OF GOD
THAT TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD,JESUS OTHER NAME IS LAMB
OF GOD.
your explanations are not clear. please explain with references from the Bible So I can follow up
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 9:19pm On Oct 04, 2014
MightySparrow:
Paul was not talking about no of days in the graves but the fact that Jesus was going to be killed as sacrifice for sin. The Bible did not actually say that He was going to be hanged on a cross. In fact, if any one would think of His death as sacrifice, it was reasonable to be offered on an altar. Galatian 3: 13 - 14 was interpreted by Paul by quoting Deuteronomy to infer that man's curse fell on Jesus by the kind of death He died.
Having said that, Jesus said, the Jonah's experience was equivalent to a prophecy. This He called a 'sign'. What is a sign?
An occurrence that validates a 'call' A seal of divine backing.
Certain things of sort like these are fulfilled in then earthly ministry of Jesus that are taken for prophecy.
In theological circle, they are called types and anti - types.
A type is an occurrence that happens in OT or a personality that manifested that acted as what the ministry of Jesus stands for.
Shiloh for instance refers to a person in Genesis 49:10; a place in first Samuel 3: 21, and understood to be Jesus in NT.


I hope your question is answered.
I believe you forgot the quotations again. Let me help you out
Luke 24:46
" and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written ,
that the Christ should suffer and on the third day
rise from the dead"
And... The inspired Apostle Paul
1 st Corinthians 15:4
" that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on
the third day in accordance with the scriptures "

3rd day occur in both verses and you are giving your explanation that it's not important?
Christianity EtcRe: A Question For Trinitarian Christians by udatso:
They can't even give a clear concept of God without contradicting each other. Haha, the last time a missionary guy knocked at my door and asked if he could share the word of God with me , I asked him which of the God? I wonder how you would expect a non Christian who would want to be take in all of this. Meanwhile keep it up, I have been picking lots of points here.
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 8:08am On Oct 04, 2014
Smallville10: daniel 9v24, micah 7v20, mal 3v1
Okay so we have shifted from isaiah. It's like you do not read the quotations you give here. Let's take a look at Daniel 9v24
(“Seventy weeks[ a ] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of[ b] sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.) please show me where it talks of dying and then rising on the 3rd day

Again let's look at micah 7v20
( hou wilt perform the truth to Jacob,
and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast
sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.)
Again how does this solve the problem

Let's look at your last quotation malachi 3v1
( “Behold, I send my messenger, and he will
prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom
you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and
the messenger of the covenant in whom you
delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of
hosts.)

How do all these talk about Jesus been persecuted /died and rose on the third day.
Next time you put a verse, you should confirm it before doing that
IslamRe: Barka Da Sallah Nairalanders by udatso: 7:20am On Oct 04, 2014
TODAY IS EIDUL ADHA : 1. Wake up early. 2. Engage in personal cleanliness 3. Brush ur teeth. 4. Offer Salatul Fajr. 5. Take Eid Ghusl (bath). 6. Put on ur best clothes available. 7. Use perfume (men only).8. Go to prayer ground early.9. Offer Salaat-al-Eid in congregation in an open place except when whether is not permitting like rain, snow, etc.10. Use two separate routes to and from the prayer ground.11. Recite the following Takbir on the way to Salaat and until the Asr on the 12th Zdilhijjah: Allahu Akbar, llahu-Akbar. La ila-ha ill-lal-lah. Wa llahu - Akbar, llahu-Akbar. Wa-lilahill hamd. 12. Eat breakfast after Salaat. 13. Slaughter ur ram & distribute it normally. 14. Spread ur deeds to less prevledg pple. 15. Salamo to everybody. 16. Visit or call ur families everywhere. 17. Run away for all sins. Etc.May Allah accept it as an act of ibadah. Happy eid kabir
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 7:03am On Oct 04, 2014
Smallville10: READ ISAIAH 9
I have read the chapter an d I çant find a place where
("and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is
written ,
that the Christ should suffer and on the
third day
rise from the dead""wink or where
( " that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was
raise on
the third day in accordance with the
scriptures "wink is written. Maybe I. Must have missed it. Could you please point out the verse
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 6:50am On Oct 04, 2014
Freksy: Scripture talks about Jesus' suffering, death and subsequent resurrection in many places, prophetic terms and sign(s). Prominent among these, and in connection to your concern is "the sign of Jonah".

Jonah's three days/nights stay in the belly of the big fish was a message about Christ death and subsequent resurrection (after three days) given in "sign". Fittingly, this significant message was later made known by the very man, Jesus, in his answer to the scribes and Pharisees.


38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. Matt. 12:38-41
Even though this explanation is wrong, I will come to it later.
Where in the old testament was his 3 days mentioned. What you have done is still quote from the new testament and relate it to the old testament. What am asking is quote (a prophecy) from the old testament and relate it to the 3 days.
And as for the sign of Jonas, it's not similar to Jesus as the Bible tells us
Christianity EtcRe: Difficult Bible Questions by udatso: 10:31pm On Oct 03, 2014
Here is one problem.
www.nairaland.com/1922990/christians-problem#26668475


Quoting pr0ton
And this Jesus is just too wonderful that I find
wonders in His words. Ok. Here is the problem:
Luke 24:46
" and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written ,
that the Christ should suffer and on the third day
rise from the dead"
And... The inspired Apostle Paul
1 st Corinthians 15:4
" that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on
the third day in accordance with the scriptures "
Jesus and Paul allededly declear that it is written
in the scriptures/Old Testament that the Christ
would die and be raised from the dead on the
third day . Just where can I find this in the Old
Testament?
That's the problem. Thanks
IslamRe: The Importance of the Day Of Arafat by udatso: 4:51pm On Oct 03, 2014
Brothers and sisters, let's not forget to read الله أكبر الله أكبر لا إله إلا الله و الله أكبر ولله الحمد
FamilyRe: Awaiting Fathers: Lets Share Our Experience by udatso: 4:24pm On Oct 03, 2014
It feels so good to always have that feeling of "oh, this is my baby" not a father yet but I pray to be in due time.


@seun, Seun. please reply to this https://www.nairaland.com/1931729/seun-maclatunji-mukina-kindly-explain

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