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BERNIMOORE: you seem to lost this argument when you cannot provide where God direct blood of anykind to used or stored outside his istruction that blood should be pour out on the ground like waterAND cover it with earth.

Deuteronomy 12:16

16"Only you shall not eat the blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

Leviticus 17:13
"'Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten must drain out the blood and cover it with earth,

in blood transfusion, the blood is not eaten. ur argument is nt valid.

also what goes into d mouth cannot defile a man.

question: will u run from a man bleeding from injury?

Blood is like the body's transportation system.
As blood circulates, it delivers oxygen and
nutrients throughout the body. It also collects
waste products and carries them to the organs
responsible for making sure the wastes leave the
body.

Whole blood is a
mixture of cells
and liquid, and
each part has a
specific job:

Red blood

cells carry
oxygen to
the body's
tissues and
remove
carbon
dioxide.

White blood

cells help
defend the
body against
infection by
producing antibodies, which help destroy
foreign germs in the body.

Platelets, the smallest blood cells, help to
clot the blood and control bleeding.
Plasma is the liquid part of whole blood
and contains a mixture of water, proteins,
electrolytes, carbohydrates, cholesterol,
hormones, and vitamins.

A blood transfusion can make up for a loss of
blood or any part of the blood. Although whole
blood can be transfused, it is rarely used.
Instead, more specific parts of blood are
transfused as needed. Red blood cells, the most
commonly transfused part, are used to increase
the blood's ability to carry oxygen and prevent
fatigue and other complications.

Transfusions take 1 to 4 hours, depending on
how much blood and what type is given, and no
special recovery time is needed.
Most transfusions are done in a hospital, but can
be done elsewhere when necessary. In most
cases, the blood comes from volunteer donors.
The blood of the donor, which is carefully
screened to ensure its safety, must match the
blood of the person receiving it.

Why Blood Transfusions Are Performed

The three main reasons why someone may need a
blood transfusion are:

1. Loss of blood during surgery or from an
injury or an illness.

2. An inability to make enough blood. Some
illnesses and treatments can impair the
bone marrow's ability to make blood (e.g.,
chemotherapy decreases production of new
blood cells).

3. To prevent complications from an existing
blood or bleeding disorder, such as sickle
cell disease, thalassemia, or anemia caused
by kidney disease, hemophilia, or von
Willebrand disease.

CANTICLES: A certain man was disgnosed wit a typical disease at d hospital .... And d doctor asked " hav u been drinkin alcohol? " the man answered " yes sir" .. The doctor continued " from dis moment, even u want cure; Abstain From Alcohol" ...But The Man Reason " If i know drink am thru mouth, den fit transfuse am to my body now!" ! Is he keepin d doctors advice ? Has he truely abstain ? .. therefore, true christians! Once again i say true christians who want to folow Gods Command In Act 15:29 " Abstain from blood" will refuse blood transfusion even if it meant sacrificing their lives! In d future" there is goin to be a resurection of the righteous and the unrighteous" act 24:15! Blood transfusion is not for true christians.

so u wont go near someone bleeding from injury?

i just pity those running after miracle here and there. today they are in A church and tomorrow they are in B church. making themselves victims of pastors using oracle to perform miracles. i dnt want to mention names sha.

paxonel: you in bondage, big one, false prophet

u are d false prophet trying to lead people to hell.

paxonel: OK, i am a sinner, a very proud one ,I am still enjoying my life, come put me for hell fire now?
ahaha ahahaa aha

if u dnt repent, when u die, u will go there.

The Devil is a master counterfeiter with his false
bibles, false religions, false prophets and false
doctrines. As believers, we have the Holy Spirit of
God living within our heart (1st John 4:4). Greater
is He (Jesus) that is in us, than he (Satan) that
is in the world.
We must test any miracles or wonders to decipher
whether they be of God or Satan. Remember that
Pharaoh's magicians had Satanic power to do
miracles. Remember that the Antichrist WILL
deceive the masses with miracles, signs, and
wonders. The holy Bible clearly teaches that God
speaks to us in these Last Days through His Son
(Jesus Christ, the Word of God—Revelation 19:13;
Hebrews 1:2). Let the Word of God and the Holy
Spirit be your guide.

"And Moses and Aaron went in
unto Pharaoh, and they did so
as the LORD had commanded:
and Aaron cast down his rod
before Pharaoh, and before his
servants, and it became a
serpent. Then Pharaoh also
called the wise men and the
sorcerers: now the magicians of
Egypt, they also did in like
manner with their
enchantments . For they cast
down every man his rod, and
they became serpents: but
Aaron's rod swallowed up their
rods." —Exodus 7:10-12

God had sent Moses to deliver the children of
Israel out from under hard bondage in
Egypt. Finally, after 400 years of torment and
slavery, the Israelites were about to be freed from
Egypt. God sent Moses and Aaron to confront
Pharaoh, demanding the release of the
Israelites. Aaron accompanied Moses as his
spokesman. God told Moses and Aaron that
Pharaoh was going to demand to see
miracles. God had instructed them what to
do. When Pharaoh did ask to see a miracle, Aaron
tossed his rod down to the floor and it became a
serpent. It should be to no surprise to a Christian
that God is a miracle working God.
However, what may be surprising to a newer
believer who hasn't grown yet in spiritual
understanding is that SATAN ALSO PERFORMS
MIRACLES! The fact that Satan and his false
prophets can perform miracles is documented in
the Scriptures.

Exodus 7:11, "Then Pharaoh also
called the wise men and the
sorcerers: now the magicians of
Egypt, they also did in like
manner with their
enchantments .
"
Exodus 7:22, "And the magicians
of Egypt did so with their
enchantments : and Pharaoh's
heart was hardened, neither did
he hearken unto them; as the
LORD had said."

Exodus 8:7, "And the magicians
did so with their enchantments,
and brought up frogs upon the
land of Egypt. "
Bible prophecy is history written in advance. The
following verses from the Book of Revelation
reveals that the Antichrist will perform miracles to
deceive the masses...

"And deceiveth them that dwell
on the earth by the means of
those miracles which he had
power to do in the sight of the
beast; saying to them that dwell
on the earth, that they should
make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a
sword, and did live." —
Revelation 13:12

"For they are the spirits of
devils, working miracles , which
go forth unto the kings of the
earth and of the whole world, to
gather them to the battle of that
great day of God Almighty." —
Revelation 16:14

"And the beast was taken, and
with him the false prophet that
wrought miracles before him,
with which he deceived them
that had received the mark of
the beast, and them that
worshipped his image. These
both were cast alive into a lake
of fire burning with brimstone."
—Revelation 19:20

i thank God for using me to bring d truth to limelight. the truth surely sets free.

Boomark: Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

To abstain from blood would mean and include not having anything to do with blood and TOUCHING of blood. But we (JWs inclusive) kill and touch the animals we kill. So abstinence from blood here is pointing at, "do not eat blood."

Eating blood is not the same as transfusing blood. Two different things. One disintegrates blood and pass some of its components as waste, the other preserves it. Of course we must obey Jehovah's commandment to pour out the blood of the animal we kill and not eat it. This does not speak of blood transfusion.

Since we know that we all have the same Spirit (life) ie one spirit, a matching blood from another person would be like the same blood i have. Transfusion from the blood of a living person (not dead body) would mean CONTINUITY of the same life in another.

With this in mind, there still remain the abstinence from blood as Jehovah commanded.

Well done Ukutsgp.

tanks. many people want to persecute me for speaking d truth.

5solas:
You conveniently forgot that as soon as the regenerates sin, they become un regenerates, at least according to you.

u are nt making sense.

vest: Purgatory is real and i dnt see how talking about it amounts to terrorising people. whether u believe in Purgatory or not is not my problem. u will know when d time comes.

doctrine of men.

5solas: This is so false. If true, there's no advantage to the re- generated man over the unregenerated man, better to receive salvation at our deathbeds!

unregenerated people dnt know how to ask for mercy when they commit sin. they dnt know christ.

kevoh: Ignored! I've been warned not to waste my time Data(megabytes) on you anymore.

it doesn't change d fact that purgatory is false.

paxonel: you are right, thanks!
it's just that when you consider the overall effect of this kind of teaching, you will noticed that it is one of the major dogma that has given nigerians a very wrong mindset about the general life over the years
things are not better in this country, stead of educated people like him (because when you see his comments he talks like someone who has gone to school ) abandon religious sentiment and go back to his bible to consider what people have been opposing him for, he is arguing
honestly, when you tell anybody that salvation is grace, if they don't know before they will stop arguing and go and find out from the bible, even Muslims do this
But his own, i have never seen his type before,he is just the only person I'm seeing that is arguing, opposing that fact, wishing that people should die in hell fire in their sins, meanwhile he forget that he himself comit sin too
lol

yes. sin sends people to hell whether u believed it or not.

5solas: @ Paxonel
Please be more civil. Remember also that we must humbly teach what we have received.

what u receive is poison.

paxonel: what do understand by the word fallacy? you don't know,.school you didn't go, yet you want to teach?
you are not ashamed,you are still talking? you think nairaland is inside deeper life church were you people will sit.down to teach yourselves what is not applicable to reality?
that is why you people suffer so much in that church
you people are not different from boko haram,
you don't have Joy,
no grace,
no mercy,
you are all religious fanatics,
wicked people who want sinners to die in Hellfire,
false prophets
ahahaha ahahaaa

i can see dat u are really pained. but u cant change truth

kevoh: You can make your point without the insult. Is insulting people what you Christians learn in church these days? How to be an insult warrior

Very typical of you! You were just in a hurry to insult (despite calling yourself a christian)without realizing that my initial post shows that I don't believe in your hell fire, let alone purgatory. I pointed out the irony of Mr.Mike read below:



You are also committing same error as your hero Mr.Mike but fail to see beyond you. Your Bible says:

hell is real and i dnt see how talking about it amounts to terrorising people. whether u believe in hell or not is not my problem. u will know when d time comes.

kevoh: Who else sees the irony in the sentences in boldface? Mike Gendron, all in a bid to lash at the Catholic's concept of purgatory forgot totally that hell is another tool of FEAR used by the same christian religion.

Yes, purgatory might make no sense to him (being a non-catholic) but so does Hell which, using his words, is also a concept of terrifying prison with fire that leads to dreadful fear ''among christians'' and serves as a form of religious bondage.

Many christians don't serve their God because of love for him but of fear of hell fire. Times without number we have heard the usual Pascal's wager being stated by christians. Remove Hell fire from the equation, you'd be amazed by what you'll get.

Sorry for the long post and derailling. Carry on with your discussion.

my friend stop being senseless. there is nothing wrong with his statement. i repeat like him. purgatory is a hoax. it is fake. it is a clever work of fiction.

vest: This Shows That You Dnt Even Knw The Meaning Of Purgatory
Read Dat Link I Gave Nd Learn

oya tell me what it is na. that dead link. u expect me to click that. isn't it?

paxonel: ahahaha ahaha! go change your church... ewu!
see what your pastor (kumuyi ) has turn you to?
ahahahaa ahahaa

u are d one to change ur chirch cos ur pastor didn't teach u well or maybe u misunderstand him

There is no such place as purgatory . It is but
another doctrine of devils. It gives mankind the
false hope that he can still make things right with
God after death.

the deceiver is simply at his old work again. Sadly,
many will hold onto the thought that they can still
redeem themselves by suffering after death,
instead of placing their total faith in the shed
blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

vest: First Of All Do You Agree That Dey Are Sins Not Leading To Death?

what are those sin? mentioned d sin. is it lying?

SalC: You just said I am ignorant of the bible, how comes you want an ignorant person to teach you. God ahead and answer my question or are you saying the scripture was wrong for saying there is a sin which does not lead to death?

long story. mention d sin na

@cktheluckyman.

what u posted there is rubbish. here is d truth in case u did nt comprehend the post u quoted. summary

What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah.

Jesus did not go to any spirit world.

SalC: Let me put it in a way you can comprehend, what are those verses talking about, answer my question or can't you find a place to copy and paste answers to my questions

first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.

SalC: I already know that guy, it requires a lot of patience to address his case

stop d crude joke. how does that simple verse relate to purgatory.

SalC: The time you used in writing this could have been used to answer my question, you called me ignorant and I wish to learn from you, realise I didn't mention purgatory in that post, I only put up scripture verse and asked you questions as regard them, when you answer me, I will tell you how it relates to purgatory, afterall I asked first,

And please don't run around talking off point because I already know you, just go straight to the point.

And yes I saw the name and it didn't change the fact that you copied and pasted his work, and for the fact that you did, you should be prepared to defend every bit of it.

i dnt need to defend it cos d fact is so clear that even a small child will know that it is fake.

dnt u copy and paste too?

The Holy Scripture knows nothing of a
place called purgatory. After examining
the various arguments put forth by
Roman apologists in order to try to
prove the teaching, Catholic scholar
Richard P. McBrien admitted, “There is,
for all practical purposes, no biblical
basis for the doctrine of
purgatory” (Richard P. McBrien,
Catholicism: New Edition , [HarperOne,
1994], p. 1166).

Rome’s doctrine of purgatory asserts
that when a Catholic dies and they have
committed venial sins or still have
temporal punishments for sin, they are
purified in the fires of purgatory so
they can enter heaven which requires
absolute perfection. The 1994 Catechism
of the Catholic Church says,
“The Church gives the name
Purgatory to this final purification
of the elect, which is entirely
different from the punishment of the
damned. The Church formulated her
doctrine of faith on Purgatory
especially at the Councils of Florence
and Trent. The tradition of the
Church, by reference to certain texts
of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing
fire: As for certain lesser faults, we
must believe that, before Final
Judgement, there is a purifying
fire” (The Catechism of the Catholic
Church, [DoubleDay, 1994], par. 1031
p. 291).
Catholic scholar John Hardon also
explains:
“there exists purgatory, in which the
souls of the just who die with the
stains of sins are cleansed by
expiation before they are admitted
to heaven. . . . ‘stains of sins’ . . .
means the temporal punishment due
to venial or mortal sins already
forgiven as to guilt but not fully
remitted as to penalty when a
person dies. It may also mean the
venial sins themselves, not forgiven
either as to guilt or punishment
before death” (John A. Hardon, The
Catholic Catechism, [DoubleDay,
1981], p. 274).
The medieval Catholic theologian
Thomas Aquinas mentions, prior to the
resurrection, the “separated souls [in
purgatory], and the punishment
inflicted on them by fire” (Thomas
Aquinas, Summa Theologica , [Christian
Classics Ethereal Library], Sup, Qu. 69,
p. 6370 brackets mine). This is an
important issue which must be
addressed, since, not only is it
unbiblical and ahistorical, but Pope
Francis actually offered time off
purgatory to those who “follow him” on
twitter (www.theguardian.com/
world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-
pope-francis-tweets ). The blasphemous
idea that you can click a button on a
keyboard and follow the pope on twitter
in order to go to heaven faster is utterly
opposed to the biblical teaching
concerning the sufficiency of Jesus’ once
for all atonement bringing men to
heaven.

SalC: Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation

tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive.

SalC: I thought this guy has outgrown this childish rants and copy- paste work.

Well the scripture says, "All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which does not lead to death. 1 John 5:17

So op can you tell me the fate of one who dies with a sin not unto death?

Scripture says again, "If you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16

Can you explain to me how someone who sinned a sin which does not lead to death also has no life and needs a brother to pray to God to give him life?

What will happen to this person and his sin when we pray for him?

u dnt know the bible. ur ignorant is obvious. how does this support the evil doctrine of purgatory?