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cktheluckyman: 1 Peter 4:5-7New International Version (NIV)

5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray

dnt u know dat the unbelivers and sinners are spiritually dead while alive?

vest: Pls 4 Guest Nd Others See A Good Xplaination Here

www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

by an ex-protestant pastor

rubbish!!!

cktheluckyman: 1 pet 3;19-2119 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him

u are ignorant of scriptures. this scripture u quoted does not support purgatory. there is nothing like purgatory. it is a fable.

1 Peter 3:18-20 is one texts
Catholics misuse in order to support
purgatory. It says after His death, Christ
was
“18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in
which he went and proclaimed to
the spirits in prison, 20because they
formerly did not obey, when God's
patience waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was being prepared,
in which a few, that is, eight
persons, were brought safely through
water” (1 Peter 3:18-20).
Although the Catholic scholars Scott
Hahn and Curtis Mitch do not argue this
text refers to purgatory or humans, but
instead to Jesus descending to Hades to
proclaim to the fallen angels who were
locked up there (Scott Hahn, Curtis
Mitch, Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New
Testament, [Ignatius Press, 2010], p.
456), other Catholics nevertheless
understand this text as referring to
purgatory. For example, Patrick Madrid
cites this text as proof for purgatory on
page 86 his book Where is That in the
Bible? However, this is incorrect. What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah. As
John Gill explains:
“The plain and easy sense of the
words is, that Christ, by his Spirit, by
which he was quickened, went in the
ministry of Noah, the preacher of
righteousness, and preached both by
words and deeds, by the personal
ministry of Noah, and by the
building of the ark, to that
generation who was then in being;
and who being disobedient, and
continuing so, a flood was brought
upon them which destroyed them all;
and whose spirits, or separate souls,
were then in the prison . . . when
the Apostle Peter wrote this epistle;
so that Christ neither went into this
prison, nor preached in it, nor to
spirits that were then in it when he
preached, but to persons alive in the
days of Noah” (John Gill, Exposition
of the Entire Bible , 1 Peter 3:19)
This view was affirmed by Augustine in
his work Letters , 164 and is backed up
by 1 Peter 1:10-11 which, concerning
Old Testament times, speaks of the Spirit
of Christ being in the prophets
prophesying about grace and the
sufferings of Jesus. 1 Peter 4:6 also says
“the gospel was preached even to those
who are dead” (1 Peter 4:6) thus
supporting our case.

purgatory is fake and it is
an imaginary place that is created by the
catholic leader to gain money from
their deceive members.

POPEII: go choke on your pastor jet

are u pained?

serious. i like old threads like this.

Goshen360: What does holiness means? To be without sin or sinlessness? I'm sure if you live during the time that woman was caught in adultery, you will be one of those who are with sin that cannot cast the first stone. You're reading into. ...BE YE HOLY. ...

Jesus told d woman go and sin no more. those in christ must avoid sin like ebola. sin destroys. being in christ is not a license to sin. those who die in sin will perish no matter who they were.

Goshen360: First, I don't know where to start with you addressing many issues raised but I will try.

1. The only exception to eternal security is apostasy

2. All righteousness BEFORE the finished works of Christ are based on man's work to be right with God. So when you quoting Ezekiel and OT, you don't even understand what you saying in relation to finished works of Christ.....He who knew no sin became sin for us SO THAT WE MIGHT BE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS. Is that in your bible?

3. Dying daily has nothing to do with being DEAD TO SIN. You are dead to sin through Christ.

the only exception to eternal security is sin.

to become righteous in christ entails repenting of ur sin, confessing them to God, then the blood of Jesus will wipe ur sins away. from then, u must forsake sin. obey d word if God and continue to do his will.

dying daily have everything to do with sin.

Goshen360: If sin can make you loose salvation, YOU MUST HAVE LOST YOURS knowing YOU HAVE SINNED MANY TIMES SINCE YOU BECAME BORN AGAIN. ...no?

that is why i need to ask God for mercy and try to live holy. because he has commanded us to be holy as he is holy. 1 peter 1:14-16.

Goshen360: Many questions you're avoiding and that's not good at all. Again, since YOU came to Christ and believe, being born again. HAVE YOU SINNED OR NOT? IF you have sinned, did you loose your salvation then and now. If you lost your salvation, how did you regain it? Did you re born again again?

i said salvation can be lost or regained. when u sin salvation is lost as sin disconnect u from GOD and when u repent, it is restored.

Purgatory: Purifying Fire
or Fatal Fable? by Mike Gendron


Catholics who believe a purifying fire will purge
away their sins are deluded victims of a fatal
fabrication. The invention of a place for
purification of sins called Purgatory is one of the
most seductive attractions of the Roman
Catholic religion. Pastor John MacArthur of
Grace Community Church described this
deceptive hoax brilliantly. He said: "Purgatory is
what makes the whole system work. Take out
Purgatory and it's a hard sell to be a Catholic.
Purgatory is the safety net, when you die, you
don't go to hell. You go [to Purgatory] and get
things sorted out and finally get to heaven if
you've been a good Catholic. In the Catholic
system you can never know you're going to
heaven. You just keep trying and trying...in a
long journey toward perfection. Well, it's pretty
discouraging. People in that system are guilt-
ridden, fear-ridden and have no knowledge of
whether or not they're going to get into the
Kingdom. If there's no Purgatory, there's no
safety net to catch me and give me some
opportunity to get into heaven. It's a second
chance, it's another chance after death" (from
"The Pope and the Papacy".

The Origin of Purgatory

There was no mention of Purgatory during the
first two centuries of the church. However, when
Roman Emperor Theodosius (379-395) decreed
that Christianity was to be the official religion of
the empire, thousands of pagans flooded into the
Church and brought their pagan beliefs and
traditions with them. One of those ancient pagan
beliefs was a place of purification where souls
went to make satisfaction for their sins.
The concept became much more widespread
around 600 A.D. due to the fanaticism of Pope
Gregory the Great. He developed the doctrine
through visions and revelations of a Purgatorial
fire. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia (CE),
Pope Gregory said Catholics "will expiate their
faults by purgatorial flames," and "the pain [is]
more intolerable than any one can suffer in this
life." Centuries later, at the Council of Florence
(1431), it was pronounced an infallible dogma. It
was later reaffirmed by the Council of Trent
(1564). The dogma is based largely on Catholic
tradition from extra- biblical writings and oral
history. "So deep was this belief ingrained in our
common humanity that it was accepted by the
Jews, and in at least a shadowy way by the
pagans, long before the coming of
Christianity" (CE). It seems incomprehensible
that Rome would admit to using a pagan
tradition for the defense of one of its most
esteemed "Christian" doctrines.

The Deception of Purgatory

Purgatory comes from the Latin word “purgare,”
which means to make clean or to purify. The
Catholic Encyclopedia defines purgatory as "a
place or condition of temporal punishment for
those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are
not entirely free from venial faults, or have not
fully paid the satisfaction due to their
transgressions." They must be purified of these
"venial" sins before they can be allowed into
heaven. Here we see Catholicism perpetuating
the seductive lie of Satan by declaring "you will
not surely die" when you commit venial sins
( Gen. 3:4 ). The Council of Trent dares to declare
that "God does not always remit the whole
punishment due to sin together with the guilt.
God requires satisfaction and will punish
sin...The sinner, failing to do penance in this life,
may be punished in another world, and so not be
cast off eternally from God." (Session 15, Can.
XI). Those Catholic Bishops had the audacity to
declare that the suffering and death of God's
perfect man and man's perfect substitute was
not sufficient to satisfy divine justice for sin.

The Motivation for Purgatory

Over the centuries billions of dollars have been
paid to Roman Catholic priests to obtain relief
from imaginary sufferings in Purgatory's fire. The
Catholic clergy has always taught that the period
of suffering in Purgatory can be shortened by
purchasing indulgences and novenas, buying
Mass cards and providing gifts of money. When
a Catholic dies, money is extracted from
mourning loved ones to shorten the deceased's
punishment in Purgatory. When my dear old dad
passed away as a devout Catholic of 79 years, I
was amazed at the hundreds of Mass cards
purchased for him by well-meaning friends. We
have heard of other Catholics who have willed
their entire estates to their religion so that
perpetual masses could be offered for them after
they die. It is no wonder that the Catholic
religion has become the richest institution in the
world. The buying and selling of God's grace has
been a very lucrative business for the Vatican.
Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the
heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful
effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the
enslavement and subjugation of people is the
goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does
exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison
with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders,
is a most brilliant invention. It holds people
captive, not only in this life but also in the next
life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years
people have to suffer for their sins or how many
Masses must be purchased before they can be
released from the flames. This dreadful fear and
uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious
bondage and deception!

Biblical Support for Purgatory

There is absolutely none! In fact, neither the
word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is
found in Scripture. The Vatican was confronted
with this in the 16th century when the Reformers
protested its practice of buying and selling of
God's grace through indulgences. Backed into a
corner, the Council of Trent added the
apocryphal books to its canon of Scripture.
Rome now declares there is scriptural support
for purgatory in the apocryphal book of Second
Maccabees. The council ignored the fact that the
Jewish scribes never recognized the apocryphal
books as inspired or part of the Hebrew
Scriptures. They were never included because of
their many historical, theological and
geographical errors. Since God is not the author
of error, He obviously did not inspire the writers
of the Apocrypha. This is why the Apocrypha
was never included in the original canon of 66
books.
The apocryphal verses Rome uses to defend its
doctrine of Purgatory refer to Jewish soldiers
who died wearing pagan amulets around their
necks. Judas Maccabees "sent twelve thousand
drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to
be offered for the sins of the dead...Judas hoped
that these men who died fighting for the cause of
God and religion, might find mercy: either
because they might be excused from mortal sin
by ignorance; or might have repented of their
sin, at least at their death. It is therefore a holy
and wholesome thought to pray for the dead,
that they may be loosed from sins" ( 2
Maccabees 12:43-46 ). Rome argues that since
Judas Maccabees prayed for the dead, there
must be hope for those who die in sin. This of
course, goes directly against God's Word which
declares, "It is appointed for men to die once
and after this comes judgment" ( Heb. 9:22 ).
Rome's attempt to give credence to Purgatory
by using this ungodly practice of the Jews, who
had a history of disobeying God, is pathetic.
In another attempt to find support for Purgatory,
many Catholics point to this verse: "If any man’s
work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he
himself will be saved, yet so as through fire" ( 1
Cor. 3:15 ). Clearly, the context of this verse is
the testing of a man's works by fire. The works
that survive are the ones done for the glory of
Christ and are called gold, silver and precious
stones ( Eph. 2:10 ). All the other superfluous
works are burned in fire and are called wood, hay
and stubble. It is not man's sins that are being
purged, it is man's spurious works that are
being burned and destroyed.

The Biblical Rebuke of Purgatory

God's Word leaves absolutely no possibility for
sin to be purged away by anything other than
the blood of Jesus Christ. The beloved apostle
John penned these words with irrefutable clarity.
He wrote, "The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses
us from all sin" and "all unrighteousness" ( 1
John 1:7 , 9). John did not say "some" sins or
"most" sins, but all sin! This soundly rebukes
the need for a sin-purging fire. God's Word also
declares, "All things are cleansed with blood, and
without shedding of blood there is no
forgiveness" ( Heb. 9:22 ). When Jesus "made
purification of sins, He sat down at the right
hand of the Majesty on high" ( Heb. 1:3 ). Those
who desire to have their sins purged need to
trust a person, not a place. The blood of Christ
is the only cleansing agent for sin! Those who
come to the cross of Christ must come with
empty hands of faith, bringing nothing but their
sins.
Every blood-bought believer is instantly present
with their Redeemer at the moment of death. To
be "absent from the body" is to be "at home
with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:6-8 ). This good news
was affirmed by the Lord Jesus with the promise
He gave to the repentant thief at Calvary. He
said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall
be with Me in Paradise" ( Luke 23:43 ). This
habitual sinner did not need a fire to purge his
sins.
Catholics who believe in Purgatory need to be
asked: "Who is in charge of releasing souls from
the purging fire?" It cannot be God because of
His promise to believers. "Their sins and
iniquities I will remember no more" ( Heb. 10:17 ).
After conversion, God no longer counts sins
against His children ( 2 Cor. 5:19 ).


Purgatory is a travesty on the justice of God and
a disgraceful fabrication that robs Christ Jesus
of His glory and honor. He alone satisfied divine
justice, once and for all, by the perfect and
finished sacrifice of Himself. The fatal deception
of Purgatory blinds Catholics from the glorious
Gospel of grace. It is one of Satan's many lies
which keep his captives from knowing and
trusting the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is
Christ alone that will present us "faultless before
the presence of his glory" (Jude 24).
Blessings,
Mike Gendron
www.pro-gospel.org
by Mike Gendron

5solas: You imply then that when we ask for forgiveness, we are re-regenerated, this is false. To hold to that view is to hold that there is no difference between the believer and unbeliever and in how the Lord sees them.

it is nt false. a regenerated person can fall into an unregenerated state due to sin. a believer can also become unbeliever and vise versa.

we must confess our sin on a regular bases, even if it is 10times a day. and we must try to forsake that sin. God hate sin with passion.

5solas: I ask these questions to understand your viewpoint instead of just asserting mine.
But let's grant that a believer immediately loses his salvation on sinning then gains it on repentance, how many times a day would you suppose that happens for the average believer? Does it make sense to you? Why don't we just agree that none is saved until they are dead or the last day? In this way where is grace and the difference between Christianity and other religions?

why dnt u just agree that sin disconnect one from God and that for one to be connected back to God, he or she had to confess and forsake that sin. in that state of sin, is d person save?

RikoduoSennin: ^^^ You just quote me without even reading anything I wrote.

Well, since you mind is made up already about you own opinion of JW believes on blood and blood transfusions, I will leave you be.

Lastly we are not ignorant of the advances in medicine, it is people like you who are stuck in the old ways. JW continue to review current medical procedures/techniques regarding bloodless surgery. Even people who do not share our beliefs are embracing bloodless surgery. The number of medical doctors who carry out bloodless surgery are on the rise.

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What enters a man mouth does not defy him? Then why the restriction not to eat pig? Did jesus eat pig meat? And why? *** wrong application of scriptures***

i eat pig meat. anything wrong with that. does that makes me a sinner? i repeat blood transfusion is ok as long as it is done to save lives. embrace it.

5solas: @ Ukutsgp
What happens when we sin? Do we immediately lose our salvation?

when adam and eve sinned, what happened?

5solas: @ Ukutsgp
What happens when we sin? Do we immediately lose our salvation?

when adam and eve sinned. what happened?

Ezekiel 18:24 says, “But when the righteous man
turns away from his righteousness, and commits
iniquity, and does according to all the
abominations that the wicked man does, shall he
live? All his righteousness that he has done shall
not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has
trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in
them shall he die.” In other words, a person who
was righteous can indeed turn away and be lost.

Goshen360: The answer is, no one in Christ can lost his or her salvation. If there's one such as yourself, ask yourself. ..since you came to be in Christ, have you sinned or not. If you have sinned, did you loose your salvation and try to regain it or what? Have you lived wrongly, making a wrong choice? If you have, are you unsaved trying to be save again?

The concept that once you are saved you cannot
be lost is unbiblical.
Indeed, the Bible has several examples of people
who were saved relationship with God and were
even Spirit-filled—but then they turned from the
Lord.

For instance, King Saul was chosen by the Lord,
anointed, filled with the Spirit, but he became
proud and grieved away the Holy Spirit and
eventually took his own life in despair. Judas was
sent out preaching with the other 11 disciples,
but he kept clinging to covetousness until he
denied the Lord and sold Him. Judas lost his
salvation, his relationship with the Lord.
Ezekiel 18:24 says, “But when the righteous man
turns away from his righteousness, and commits
iniquity, and does according to all the
abominations that the wicked man does, shall he
live? All his righteousness that he has done shall
not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has
trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in
them shall he die.” In other words, a person who
was righteous can indeed turn away and be lost.
In Hebrews 10:23 , 24, Paul says, “Let us hold fast
the profession of our faith without wavering.”
Once a person is saved, why would they need to
hold fast? He goes on to add, “Let us consider
one another to provoke unto love and good works,
for if we sin willfully after we have received a
knowledge of the truth there remains no more
sacrifice for sins but a certain fearful looking
forward to of judgment.”

The Bible doesn’t tell say that once we’re saved,
we turn from all responsibility of continuing to
hold onto God’s hand. Jesus will never let go of
us, but we can let go of Him if we choose. The
danger of the teaching once-saved-always-saved
is that it takes away free will. But we’re always
free to choose to love the Lord or walk away.
“Christian, know ye not that they which run in a
race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run,
that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth
for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now
they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we
an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as
uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the
air; But I keep under my body, and bring it into
subjection: lest that by any means, when I have
preached to others, I myself should be a
castaway” ( 1 Corinthians 9:24–27 ). In other
words, Paul is saying that it was possible, even
though he had this spirit-filled saved relationship,
to be cast away.
On the other extreme, some think that you need
to walk every day in doubt of your relationship
with the Lord. But the Bible is clear that you can
have an assurance of your relationship with Him.
The Bible says you can know that He who has
begun a good work in you will perform it to the
day of Jesus; He is the Author and Finisher of
your faith, that you might know that you have
everlasting life.


God does not want us to live in fear. He said that
we can know we have eternal life. We can know
as long as we abide in Him, we have nothing to
be afraid of. It’s when we take our hand out of
His hand and we choose to turn from His will and
go our own way that we are in danger. That’s
why I believe that it’s important for us to daily
rededicate our lives. Paul said, “I die daily.” He
chose every day to say no to living for myself, to
die to self, and be born again unto God. On a
daily basis, rededicate yourself to God. It doesn’t
mean that you’re lost and saved, lost and saved,
lost and saved, like a roller coaster. Indeed, dying
to yourself daily means that you will keep your
relationship with God.

Goshen360: The answer is, no one in Christ can lost his or her salvation. If there's one such as yourself, ask yourself. ..since you came to be in Christ, have you sinned or not. If you have sinned, did you loose your salvation and try to regain it or what? Have you lived wrongly, making a wrong choice? If you have, are you unsaved trying to be save again?

sin can make u lost ur salvation. it can also disqualify u from entering heaven. when u sin, u have to confess and forsake that sin to be in right standing with God. just one sin can make u to be lost forever if u fail to amend ur ways.

5solas: What was his ground(s) for salvation? Faith? Works? Or a mixture of both?

d point is, can one lost his salvation due to sin and wrong living?

5solas: @ O.P
What shall we say that Abraham our Father hath found?
He (Abraham) was not justified by works so that grace could be shown to be grace and the promise of eternal life sure to not only him, but all who have the same faith , believing in Christ, who was crucified for their offences and raised up for their justification (salvation ).

God told Abraham to walk before him snd be blameless. Abraham lived according to the word of God. in obedience and godly reverence.

paxonel: ahahahh ahaha
i nor get your time again

na u know.

RikoduoSennin: The christian Organisation of JW disciplines individuals who err against God's law according to their deeds. Fighting,lying, etc are also frowned upon too just like abuse of blood.

One who takes blood into his:her body has defied it, we need to seperate from what is not holy/bad/ or sin.




Please talk to a doctor ( a consultant in surgery) about blood transfusion. Blood transfusion does not always save life, its 50-50, plus it does not quarantee there won't be medical complications that they kill the person later.

Everyone dies eventually, with or without blood transfusion, but dying after violating God's command sometimes means "no ressurection".

Is our life more important than obeying God's law. Remember "to obey is better than sacrifice".

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Nothing wrong with blood transfusion both medical and religiously ? Please research again!

Medically- there are complications associated with it just like any other medical procedure. You will find out that Bloodless surgery are more modern, technology advanced quality procedures that JW opted for. Drugs that trigger blood production in ones own body are better substitute to blood transfusion.

Religiously- Since we are under the new commandment Acts 15: 28,29 "For it seems good to the Holy spirit,...that ye ABSTAIN .... From BLOOD and from things STRANGLED....."

Please review the meaning of the word "Abstain". We are not talking about eat here. Also reseach the lifes of early christians/christianity, if they consumed blood like the nations of that time.( Josepheus and Jerome are good references).

Illustration: God said abstain from Alcohol/ wine or Drugs/cocaine (or God says, do not Drink Alcohol/Wine/Drugs/Cocaine). Does that mean we can take Alcohol/Wine/Drugs/Cocaine INTRAVEINOUSLY just because he uses the word "eat" and not transfusion?. The principle behind why we are not to eat blood still applies- which is blood is life and his sacred.

Would a jew be ok with inject Pig fats into his body just because the command is "eat"? Think deeply,

Every member of JW is aware of their decision, they are not force to forsake their life. They simple view their life as little compared to obeying Jehovah's law just like Meshack, shedrach and Abednego. If Jehovah decides to save us or not, we still want to obey him.

blood transfusion is not the abuse of blood. it is done to save lives.

one who takes blood into his or her body to save his or life has not defiled it. What exactly defines ‘blood transfusion’ ?
According to the above definitions, a blood
transfusion is the process of transferring the
blood of one person into the vein or artery of
another person. This is done in emergency
situations where a person is in need of life-
saving blood to replace or replenish his body’s
own blood supply.

blood transfusion has saved many lives. some who are now used of God have been saved through blood transfusion. they wouldn't have been alive.

blood transfusion is not d same as eating blood. read the d definition of eating i gave above.

Jesus said that what goes into d mouth dnt defile a man but what comes out of that man.

blood transfusion is ok. embrace technology. dnt kill people because of ur ignorance.

paxonel: ahahahaahaah! na you won cast them away? oya cast them away now make we see
in this heaven that we are living there are bad and good people in lt
oya go cast the bad people way now, you will tell God whether na you create them
ahahaahah ahaha

it is God that will cast them away if they dnt continue to do his will. which heaven are we living in?

paxonel: it's ignorant people that say things like this without quoting scriptures to support it

i hv shown u several scriptures to that effect before. just go back and read them up. dnt be lazy.

NIGERIALOLoCOM: They forbid blood transfusion because 1. they are not vampires 2. blood is thicker than water. On a serious note, if Christ would sanction saving life on a Sabbath day even when it contradited the Sabbath day regulations, why would mortal man prevent the saving of live via blood transfusion?

dnt mind them.

paxonel: my friend eternal life is already in you, you don't know your right.
there are things today christians (especially Nigeria christians have failed to understand about eternal life which is the resurrection of the dead
Do you know that you will never die? and that thing we called death is not death but a sleep, infact it is a twinkling of the eye (eye closed and open again )
please death has been defeated by Christ on the cross
1 Corinthians 15:55 ,O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
African christians don't believe in the resurrection of the death, they are like the saducees,they don't know how it works
they don't! even know that the kingdom of God is already on earth by virtue of his death and resurrection of Jesus , they don't know that we christians are the kingdom of God on earth (Jesus in his prayer before we was crucified , let thy kingdom come,which eventually came after he was crucified, started with 120 people at the day of Pentecost, grow to become what is known as christianity today world wide )
they didn't know that one o
we are just going to church for nothing, nobody is teaching us
white men who brought christianity to Africa are very wise, they practice the same christianity in their country, their lives are better
but we africans are just mumu, we are still waiting for rapture (which is not even in the bible ) because of that we abandoned our responsibility to replenish this earth (a responsibility which God has not changed his mind about which God gave when he created mankind,) and be waiting for rapture
we don't want to go to school
we don't want to think
we don't want to work
meanwhile some people out there are inventing technology and we are larking behind in Africa

u are very ignorant. eternal is a promise which will be given to those who does the will of God to the end. those who endures to the end will be saved. ur ignorant stem from the fact that u don't read. ur doctrine is grossly illogical.

paxonel: you have not answered my question, i asked you to show me a place in the bible that says if a sinner commit sin he will go to hell fire
all these places you quoted are just advices. they are advising we christians not to commit sin, they didn't say if we comit sin we will go to hell fire
shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? (abound there means plenty, check your English dictionary )
so that place is saying, shall we continue in sin so that people will say we have plenty grace? (abundant grace ). God forbid
so it is not saying if we commit sin we will go to hell fire
Galatians 5:19-22 didn't ask any such question like what if christians commit those sins it mentioned will they go heaven? please don't change it
as a matter of fact Galatians 5:24 even says And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
so we have been crucified with Christ, sin or hell fire has no dominion again.over us , not because we are even righteous people, but simply because we believe, making us to have the righteousness of God through Christ
then 5:25 advice us that If we live in the Spirit (because we are already in the spirit, the spirit was given to us freely), let us also walk in the Spirit.(meaning let us avoid sin )
the only place in bible that has been confusing most christians to say if we commit sin we will go to hell fire is
1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
now the question is are christians drunkards? the answer is No
are christians extortioners? NO
because 6:11 says And such were some of youthe people who believed among the people Paul was addressing, because some believed and some did not ) but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
so we have been cleansed, we are not drunkards by Gods perception therefore we are saved from hell fire ( Because it is God that will judge, not human a read revelation and know the criteria of Gods judgement, our names are written in that book simply because we believe, not by our works ) but by human perception we drink, we comit sin and we will suffer the consequence of our drinking and sin accordingly here on earth, our salvation will not save us,
faith without works is dead. therefore we should repent from drinking

my friend d wages of sin is death. simple question u cannot answer. rather u keep on blabbing. those who confessed their sins and forsake them will find mercy but those who those who commit any of those sins outlined in galatians 5:19-21, and failed to confess and forsake them will be castaway. it even say they shall not inherent the kingdom of heaven. d question u should ask yourself is, cant a christian turn or backslide and begins to steal, commit adultery and go contary to the word of GOD?

paxonel: you know, i wonder if the the guy think he is God

i am not God.

gmaribel: Op where is your faith?

A lot of the commands God gave the Israelites might not have made sense back then but those who obeyed kept living.
Eg Noah was commanded to build an ark when as yet no rain had fallen to the extent of flooding

Also

instead of fighting the Egyptians the Isrealites were told to head for the red sea.... imagine if you were among them then would you have followed that order?

JW's never stop any of their members who want to receive a blood transfusion, each member makes that decision personally Gal 6:5.

As you are not a witness nothing stops you from taking blood but the word of God at Acts15:28,29 stands.
Read Dan 3:13-18.

i know that Jehovah witness excommunicate any member who does blood transfusion. many lives have been lost as a result of this practice. like what i pointed out up there, there is nothing wrong with doing blood transfusion. blood transfusion is different from eating blood.

Ukutsgp: u need to know that blood transfusion is not against God's commands. u need to understand this fact.

is blood transfusion wrong? the answer is no.
Is Receiving a Blood
Transfusion a Sin? – Part 1
Definitions:
eat vt 1: to take in through the
mouth as food: ingest, chew,
and swallow in turn.
ingest vt: to take in for or as if
for digestion.
intravenous adj : situated,
performed, or occurring within
or entering by way of a vein.
transfuse vt 1a: to cause to
pass from one to another:
TRANSMIT… 2a: to transfer (as
blood) into a vein of a person or
animal.
transfusion n 1: an act, process,
or instance of transfusing; esp:
the process of transfusing fluid
into a vein or artery.
digestion n: the action, process,
or power of digesting: as a: the
process of making food
absorbable by dissolving it and
breaking it down into simpler
chemical compounds that
occurs in the living body chiefly
through the action of enzymes
secreted into the alimentary
canal.
(Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate
Dictionary, 1983, pp. 393, 621, 635,
1253, 354).
“It shall be a perpetual statute for your
generation throughout all your dwellings, that ye
eat neither fat nor blood” (Leviticus 3:17, KJV).
This law, given by God, forbids the eating of
blood, and of fat. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe
that accepting a blood transfusion is a sin worse
than theft or adultery. Indeed, thieves and
adulterers are more quickly forgiven by
Watchtower judicial committees than individuals
found guilty of taking blood. A Witness must
refuse blood in all circumstances, even when this
is certain to result in death. The organization
also requires adults to refuse transfusions for
their minor children. But, is accepting a blood
transfusion really the same as ‘eating’ blood?[\color]
What exactly defines ‘eating’? According to the
above definitions, eating entails a process, which
begins with ingestion —or the taking in of food for
digestion—into the mouth where it is then
chewed, and swallowed. During and after this
process, the food is digested—starting partially
by the saliva and the chewing in the mouth, and
then ending completely by the hydrochloric acid
in the stomach. But isn’t blood a liquid, and
aren’t liquids drunk? The eating of blood means
the eating of flesh containing blood. This goes
into the mouth as a solid, and the term ‘drink’,
here, does not apply. But drinking entails the
swallowing of liquid, and the drinking of blood is
therefore, also, included in the above
commandment.
[color=#000099]What exactly defines ‘blood transfusion’ ?
According to the above definitions, a blood
transfusion is the process of transferring the
blood of one person into the vein or artery of
another person. This is done in emergency
situations where a person is in need of life-
saving blood to replace or replenish his body’s
own blood supply. A Jehovah’s Witness will
argue that receiving a blood transfusion is the
same as ‘eating’ blood, because it resembles
intravenous feeding. They claim it is intravenous
ingestion. But is ‘ingestion’ the same as
‘eating’ ? Hardly. Eating involves ingestion, but
ingestion does not necessarily involve eating.
So, according to the definitions given above, is
receiving a blood transfusion the same as eating
blood? Before this question can be answered,
another must be asked: Does the process of
receiving a blood transfusion follow the process
of eating, as defined above? Let’s examine the
facts and then ask ourselves: [color=#000099]Does one receive a
blood transfusion through the mouth? Does the
blood received undergo the mouth-action called
‘chewing’? Does it then undergo the mouth-
action called ‘swallowing’? Will the blood
received undergo ‘digestion’? If the answer to the
above questions is NO, then receiving a blood
transfusion is NOT the same as eating blood[\color]. If
you could stuff a drumstick into your vein, would
you call that ‘eating’ chicken?

the colored are some question begging for answers and some things to take note of.

Lilimax: Ndi uka akpa aka Jehovah Witness, over to you

na true. thank God u understand. those that follow their doctrines will die before their time.