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Sal C: And this has not been attended to.

i know that u will be pull of balance by that expose.

If u had read my first post u would nt hv made this statement.

Sal C: You can argue your points without name calling, if we all start name calling, this thread won't end well.

if u take that to mean name calling then i am very sorry 4 dat.

Sal C: Was that ordered by God as the only way of chasing demons away? Was it even ordered by God? Where else was it used.

which other way did u know. Pls tell me. If praise can pull down the walls of jerhico, bring deliverance to paul and salas and so on. Cant it chase demons away also?

[quote author=Demain_man]I don't care if you hate me or not. My Church is the best Church ever. If you like you fit go jump in the Niger I know care.

I am so proud of my Church you won't believe. I can never attend any of those your mushroom churches. I don't have time and money to give a 'god of man' whose only interest is to acquire this earth for himself and his family. I do not care how many miracles or how many anointing such a man claim to have because God has since told me that he is fake and i believe him. [/quote]so u are proud of the church that is practising idolatry, kissing the pope's foot, living by the Roman evil tradition, serving a woman instead of God, practising magic and so on. Then u are of all men most miserable.

[quote author=Demain_man]Ask God, he will tell you. I thought you said you have knowledge[/quote]so God is speaking to u nw too. That is great

nnatom: my brother u are confused. like a brother said those time was in d year Bc( befor Christ). I and u also knw that in d old testament there were burnt offerings and sacrifices to thank God,is it also occultic.what I noticed about u is dat u where reading those books to pick fault which will b so stupid for any body to do.if truly u have read those books to gain more knowledge of the christian faith u won't b here saying all this.
again u talk about those books being fictional and story like what will u say about the book of Job.

stop quoting the bible to suit ur argument,think and pray for guidiance of d Holy Spirit.

i hv nt even started. There are many erroneous and misleading teachings in those book. I wish u will hv time to defend all the error and evil in it. If u dnt mind.

woky: meaning??

it is a false church. I dnt hv time for this thread nw since ur brothers are talking trash in my thread over there. I hv to dig it out with them.

[quote author=Demain_man]I don't care if you hate me or not. My Church is the best Church ever. If you like you fit go jump in the Niger I know care.

I am so proud of my Church you won't believe. I can never attend any of those your mushroom churches. I don't have time and money to give a 'god of man' whose only interest is to acquire this earth for himself and his family. I do not care how many miracles or how many anointing such a man claim to have because God has since told me that he is fake and i believe him. [/quote]since when did God told u that

Ukuts gp: The apocrypha also teaches that giving of arms can purge one from sin and make one to earn everlasting life. Tobit 12:9 and Tobit 4:11. It means u can buy ur way into heaven. But this is contrary to the apostle's teachings. And it is false.

this is still waiting 4 u

Sal C: Was there any particular method used in chasing away demons in old testament times?

david only used praise and worship to drive demon away from saul that was all.

[quote author=Demain_man]If that portion was only found in the Catholic bible you would have termed it magic abi? Am sure you read Sal C: last comment so no need to repeat it.

My advice to you is that you must stop hating what you know little or nothing about.

I wonder if you have this same level of hatred you have for the Catholic Church for the Europeans and Americans that enslaved black men like you for almost 250years. if not why not? Am sure you have read about the kind of brutality that was visited on those slaves.

The same white slave masters brought you this religion that is building up this your hate, just because you are looking for more customer for your church.

Stop hating and stop LOVING for that is Jesus command.[/quote]nobody is hating u. But just know that ur church is a false church trying to lead people to hell. In short it is not a church but a form of religion of the Romans.

nnatom: u and I knw dat garlic chase demon. masquerade plant (that tall plant people use as flower) scares away evil spirit.is it occultic.

mind u nature has power.

that was ur own idea. The bible do nt say so.

And that method was nt prescribed by God.

Sal C: God chooses any mean he deem fit when performing miracle and therefore he is not confined to a particular method.

When he wanted to part the red sea, he used moses staff.
When he wanted to cure Namman of leprosy, he made him wash in river jordan.
When he wanted to deliver the israelites, he hardened pharoah's heart and used moses. Etc etc
so in all, God uses any method he so desire.

but that method had nt been used to chase away demons in the bible.

nnatom: pls o, which church do u attend.b bold and answer.

church have nothing to do with this.

[quote author=Demain_man]I also guess that moses staff turning into a snake and swallowing Pharoah's men snake is also magic?

Ukuts_gp, Will you say that is a miracle because it is in your KJV?[/quote]ya, it was a miracle performed through the power of God.

Is there any difference between the catholic and a shrine?

Sal C: Are they supposed to use the name of Jesus in casting out the demon even when Jesus Christ is yet to be born? Or don't you know that the event in question took place before his earthly existence?

now was any demon also cast out by the prophets of God using that method in that evil book u added to the bible?

[quote author=Demain_man]You are very funny. Couldn't Jesus just tell the man to go and wash his eye without applying the concotion? Why would a blind man doubt Jesus who everyone already know about all the miracle he was doing?

I never read anywhere in the bible where Jesus did not heal someone because he/she did not have faith. He even healed the soldier whose ear was cut off by Peter.

Did the soldier have faith?[/quote]Jesus is the son of God and he has the power to heal any sickness the way he chooses. But he also allow men to demonstrate their believe in him being the son of God. Healing is nt d important thing but their believe in him. That is all he is looking for. That they would believe in him.

Sal C: Are you now saying it wasn't accually the concotion made by Jesus that cured him but his faith?

miracles thrive within the perimeter of faith. That was why jesus always say 'ur faith has made thee whole' unlike magic that only depends on the use of concotion and magical objects.

Simple prayer in the name of Jesus is all we need.

Sal C: The fact that, Jesus can heal the man without using concotion, yet he went forward to make and use it is a pointer to the fact that he is not against such.
We can also apply same logic to the incidence you are refering to.

Again how did Jesus preparing the concotion come to mean the blind man demonstrating his faith? Please clarify.

u will as well say that witch doctors that uses different materials to prepare evil spell is nt bad.

Look, for Jesus to test that man's faith was the reason he does that.

Now tell me, how can a smoke from a fish heart drive away evil spirits? Is this biblical? When the bible says we can cast out devils with the name of jesus?

God do miracles but satan does magic. Witch doctors likewise does magic too.

[quote author=Demain_man] By missing saliva and sand? how would that make one demonstrate their faith? It will make me to look at that healer more like a magician[/quote]he just anoint the man's eyes with it and ask him to go and wash it off. That's all. If it was some faithless people they would have doubted. So the man excersise his faith by doing that.

Sal C: We are yet to clarify the points raised previously and you are jumping into further issues.
Is that how you want to end the thread?

ok let us deal with those first cos i have too many points to raise from those occultic books.

Sal C: How can someone's saliva and mud cure the blind. Is that occultic too?

jesus can heal that man by simply praying for that man or laying hands on him. But he just want that man to demonstrate his faith.

[quote author=Demain_man]Which link? A man ask you to share that your bible knowledge with him and you say put link up. No be that link to another blind argument ? Answer the question. [/quote]the link up there answers that question

The apocrypha also teaches that giving of arms can purge one from sin and make one to earn everlasting life. Tobit 12:9 and Tobit 4:11. It means u can buy ur way into heaven. But this is contrary to the apostle's teachings. And it is false.

Sal C: What else do you want me to see? I gave you an instance where Jesus Christ himself used an object to cure the bible and this is all you can say?

hw can a smoke from the heart of fish on a fire drive away demon? Is it nt occultic? Tobit 6:5-7.

nnatom: my brother, I see u have a full understanding of d bible. pls give a historic brake down on d addition of those books and why there are versions of the bible and where is d main bible dat dis versions emanated from?

hv u read the link i provided up there?

Sal C: I have no such problem. When one of the spirits came to sought God permission to put lies in the mouth of the prophets, what was God's reply?

did u also ask why God gave the permission?

[quote author=Demain_man]And on and on and on and on and on................

Anybody can take any word from the bible and run with it and claim to be authority on it. That is why you have one million and one denominations trying to outdo one another. The worst are this one man shows. They will twist anything twistable to win anothe customer to their fold.

To the Catholics Jesus said "That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it"[/quote]so how was peter a member of the roman catholic church

[quote author=Demain_man]How created lies or better still who created the father of or lies?[/quote]u should hv told me to educate u on the bible b4 coming here. I can see that u lack understanding.