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POPE II: Do you know that when you say amen after a prayer you are following a catholic teaching and a pope's order?
The same church and papacy you keep insulting lol

leave the thread na. Let me discuss with someone who has little brain than u. U said u are leaving me and salc last time. What are u doing here again?

Sal C: You have not answered the questions above.

u hv nt answered my question, i said hw did alm's giving part of the works of salvation in the old testament? Where was it stated. How was it related to animal sacrifice whose blood was use in making an atonement for sin?

Ur brother said tobit existed before d old covenant was instituted. Isn't it?

And u also hv nt answers this: what was the total years tobit spent on earth?

Sal C: OGA keep this aside and answer my questions. Am sure didn't Abraham with you.

Anymore post from you to me that is not to answer my question will only prove to the readers the kind od person you are.

Even though my questions came before yours, i went ahead to answer yours.

And you know my unanswered question have not finished.
Am coming up with the rest.

i have told u that jesus did nt prepare any concotion. That he did that because he wants to try the man's faith. And the man really excersise his faith by obeying jesus christ directions.

God did nt make those prophets to lie for they are false prophets telling Ahab a lie. When u look at that scripture u will will find Ahab have made up his mind not to accept the truth even when he was told the truth by a true prophet of God he rejected it and accept those lying prophets. So when the evil spirit present himself, God gave him permission to do so cos he has already made up his mind to accept d lying prophets and reject the truth.

Sal C: 4) your fourth question is actually funny because i already told you whateve God does has a reason therefore i know God did that for a reason but our concern was that God made 400 of his prophet lie, but you've been arguing that God never made anyone lie in the bible.
Prove me wrong if am lying.

my question is, is it God that make those prophet to lie? Then u will still tell me, if it was God that make false prophet everywhere nowadays to be telling lies

Sal C: 10) i don't remember discussing Cornelius with you.

it may be ur brothers that brought this one. But did u mind answering it?

Sal C: 3)I do not consider the concoction of witch doctors Godly because unlike that of tobias , they do not pray to God almighty and do not serve him.

if u dnt mind i would like to see where tobit prayed

Sal C: 6) i never discussed anything about Abraham with you. So that question is not meant for me.

so u did nt mention that God assisted Abraham to lie. Isn't it?

Sal C: Did you now see that you adding "in Jesus" name in your No2 question was an extract from my previour answer?

So my answer to you is, apart from using praise and worship, i know of using prayer and "in Jesus name"

not forgetting the use of fish liver

so when u pray u dnt use the names of jesus? It is the same thing as using the name of jesus na.

POPE II: a heretic questioning the Catholic bible? You are out of your mind . There's only one bible and it is ours , what you guys call bible doesn't count and is useless. Our bible precede yours , we had ours , no one was expecting that a Satan messenger will remove some ,and create his own church . My friend you are very not well placed to question anything Catholic. You sound like a child asking to his mom why she didn't go in X hospital to give birth to him .

u mean church that is pagan infested like the Roman catholic? U must be out of ur mind.

1. How can a smoke from a fish heart and liver on fire chase away demons?

2. Is there any other way you know apart from praise and worship and using d name of Jesus in casting out devils in the bible?

3. Those witch doctors that uses different materials to prepare a spell or charms is it of God?

4. Did u ask why God gave that lying spirit permission to deceive Ahab?

5. Did those people like Elijah, moses, david, nt using d power of God. Are they nt servant of God?

6. Where was it stated that God was the one that assisted Abraham to lie?

7. What can make an atonement for sins?

8. Does the book of luke u quoted shows that the alms u give can make an atonement for sins?

9. When did Tobit existed in the bible before the old covenant was given?
How many years did Tobit lives?

10. How does alms' giving purge cornelius of his sins in these verses of scriptures?

11. Give me d meaning of alms, atone and purge?

12. Show me where the bible said that giving of alms can purge away ur sins and make u earn everlasting life?

13. Was the term 'everlasting life' used in the old testament?

14. In all places alms is used in the bible, point how it was connected with animal sacrifice?

15. So Tobit existed b4 d old covenant was instituted isn't it?

These are my questions too.

Let me add this. Can giving of alms without living a holy life makes u to enter into heaven?

Can d sins of the dead be forgiven? Goodluck.

POPE II: keep on with your heresies.

u people are d one teaching heresies all over the place.

Sal C: Maybe I should just bring my unanswered question down here, so here it is...

You said the book of judith is evil and heretic because it said God aid judith to lie, I showed and proved to you that God helped 400 of his prophets to lie in 1king22, and I asked Is the book of 1king also evil and heretic? 1:400 no be joke oo.

2) You said making concoction with fish liver to chase away evil spirit in the book of tobit made it occultic, I showed you where Jesus christ used concoction to cure the blind and I asked, is it occultic also?

3) You said it was not ordered by God and I gave you the instance of Elisha and Namman and asked was it ordered by God?

4) You said David used praise only praise to chase away demons and I asked, was it ordered by God,

5) You said the fish liver was not used any other place and I asked was there any particular method prescribed by God?
I also asked, is God confined to a particular method when perfoming miracles?

Am coming back with others!

get ready for my own too that u cleverly dolged.

POPE II: I will let Sal C handle you .

stop babbling. The books u people add to the bible are false and heretic books written by man.

POPE II: lol why ? You can help him see the light

which light? Did u think i want to stain my life with ur fetish things. Are u nt the one in darkness? I pity u.

adsonstone: Are you trying to say those words are fallible hence they may not be what God really want.....so, those parts of the bible should not be 100% trusted?

dnt mind them lack of understanding is their problem.

chukwudi44: 1 pet 4:8
Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins.

vs Roman 6:23.
For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus christ our lord.

Sal C: I was expecting to see answers to my questions this morning, what's happening.
Abi make we no continue?

my friend ur question hv been answered. But mine hv not been answered. Go back and check.

Leviticus 17:11.
For the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the alter to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Roman 5:9.
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 John 1:7,9.
But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus christ his son cleanseth us from all sin.
9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 peter 1:18-19.
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,
19. But with the precious blood of christ as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.

1 peter 1:14-16.
As obedient children not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance.
15. But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation.
16. Because it is written, be ye holy, for i am holy.

woky: thats not what i mean, didnt you see that the word is in bracket??

so what did u mean. Tell me. My eyes are very open to read it.

Stop deceiving urself i did nt run from any question. That act is purely occultic. And i can say it again and again.

Someone can b giving alms to the poor and yet living a sinful life. Will u nw tell me that d alms' giving of d person will save him?

nnatom: my brother,truly u are funny, u fail to answer questions posted to. now u have jumped from the smoke from fish chasing away evil to alms purging sin. well

please read this with an open mind.thank u

Matthew 25:31-46
New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his
glory, and all the angels with him, he will
sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the
nations will be gathered before him, and he
will separate the people one from another
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the
goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right
and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his
right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my
Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom
prepared for you since the creation of the
world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave
me something to eat, I was thirsty and you
gave me something to drink, I was a
stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed
clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and
you looked after me, I was in prison and
you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him,
‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and
feed you, or thirsty and give you something
to drink? 38 When did we see you a
stranger and invite you in, or needing
clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we
see you sick or in prison and go to visit
you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you,
whatever you did for one of the least of
these brothers and sisters of mine, you did
for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left,
‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into
the eternal fire prepared for the devil and
his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you
gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and
you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a
stranger and you did not invite me in, I
needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I
was sick and in prison and you did not look
after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did
we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger
or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and
did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever
you did not do for one of the least of these,
you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal
punishment, but the righteous to eternal
life.”

whats your take on this gospel reading.

how does this relate to saving one from his sins. Stop diverting this scripture. Hw can giving of alms take away ur sins is d question. Hv u ever seen in d bible that someone hv his or her sins wash away by giving of alm and make him or her enter into heaven?

Ukuts gp: so u want to find flaws in the holy bible. Isn't it? Then go ahead. That is why the roman catholic bible is different from others.

but if u think there is hole in the protestant bible. Then open a thread to that effect. But let us finish with this extra books u people have added to the bible first.

ifeness: Not only should you look for flaws in the catholic bible,you should also look at the flaws in the Protestants bible......you will be surprised to find my holes in the holy bible.

so u want to find flaws in the holy bible. Isn't it? Then go ahead. That is why the roman catholic bible is different from others.

ifeness: Young man, your argument is baseless. The Roman Catholic church pulls the shots as far as the bible is concerned. Without them,there is no bible.

which shots? Dnt let me talk jare

POPE II: you are mixing a lot of things anyway .it is over can we please move on ?


I would like to say to the Christian community esp to the protestants that when you want to do something in the name of Christianity, you guys must ask for our approval and know if we are comfortable with your thread esp when you want to push it on the FP , Christianity has been hijacked and is now very diverse however you can't use the label Christian or Christianity on some issues without asking for our authorization, if you guys want to be portrayed as people who are not serious please Catholics don't , your thread was not only full of blasphemy against catholic doctrines but it was also portraying "christians" as unserious . We know our differences inside but the people outside don't always know them.

this is a lie. The books was written by man and was nt inspired of God. If u agree, i wud rest my case. And why wont it be on fp? It goes to show that u people are covering something smelling?

HumbledbYGrace: And by the way, the catholics are the most humble people on this section, you NEVER see them trying to shove their belief in other people's throats never.

Princesa, I deleted your thread because it was mocking those mentioned there, (definition of mock; to laugh at or make fun of (someone or something) especially by copying an action or a way of behaving or speaking
) we do not use the bible as a medium for jokes, that is not the purpose God intended when it was created. You have never seen God joking anywhere in the bible, all the narrations in that Holy book have no 'Joke' in them.

We are ought to live a 'Christlike' life not the other way round.

i know i am humble too. We must speak d truth at all times and expose d liars that wants to turn the truth upside down. God doesn't joke with his words. He honours his words more than his names.

Sal C: Maybe you can show me where i ever insulted anybody's church. I said what i want to say here and have also defended and provided answer to all your questions on that thread, if you are truthful and want to continue on that thread, go back and answer all the questions you've been dodging since yesterday.

u hv nt also answered my questions and i am nt through yet. I told u that i hv more than 20 issues to raise

woky: thats why i said u should read with understanding

ok.. Lets read the book of Tobit 12 startin 4rm v8"prayer is good with fasting and alms more than to lay up treasures of gold
9. For alms delivers from death, and the same is that which purges away sins and makes to find mercy and life everlasting"

mind you: Alms can be also discribed as mercy in action

note: the greek word for alms in secred scripture is "eleemosyne" as a noun the word eleemosyne means "act of marcy" (atleast you knw that God love a cheerful giver) and dont forgt that the book of tobit was written by a Jaw living in plestine..

I told you to read with understand bt u did not..

so since God loves a cheerful giver, so when u give u are save. Isn't it? If am giving and am stealing i would make heaven abi?

Sal C: @Ukuts gp i have tolerated you enough starting from the thread in question. You have insulted my church and belief severally, but i kept my cool and called everyone to order yet you come here call the books of my bible occultic and saying shame on us.
People should go to that thread and see who have been dodging the truth and refusing to answer question.

I still remember a time when Ajibam had to hide his own post for calling the catholic church and i see no reason why it shouldn't happen again.
Let me wait for the mods to take action. This is my complait.

so u dnt use to insult other churches. Isn't it? U are the saint, i am the bad person now abi? Why do u think i hv nt answered ur question. Hw has debating on a topic becomes a sin. Why cant u defend the book if it was inspired of God. And when did i insult ur church. I only said the apocrypha books are occultic and i gave my reasons. So what is ur point. They should ban me for nothing? Is that it? U hv to do a rethink. Back to the thread. Thank u mods.

ifeness: Just as you think they are into occult,i think you are into occult too because they decided all the books in the bible. God and Jesus do not exist!

u are a liar. Nothing like that.

POPE II: You again? Can you stop mentioning Catholics? You claim we are evils etc but can't stop talking about us na wa ooo what kind of obsession is this? Don't you have pagans and muslims to convert?

why are u people lying that the bible is more than 66 books. Where do they brought it from? Who are the people that wrote it? Why did it prescribed that a smoke from the heart, liver and gall of a fish in a fire can chase away demons in the book of Tobit? Why did it say that GOD assisted judith to lie?
Why did it say that giving of alms can purge all sins and save one from death and make the person to earn everlasting life. Isn't it funny that u said d book was inspired of God?