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Christianity EtcRe: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by Ukutsgp(m): 5:18pm On Nov 29, 2013
Logicboy03: And this comment would not be banned or hidden for insulting the bible. So the catholic bible is occultic to you abi?
the apocrypha books i say. If u follow that thread u will understand. I dnt know why they wud ban me . Hv i insulted anyone. Cant i express myself again? I am the most humble person in this forum. i can only argue to bring out the truth but i never insult anyone as far as i am nt insulted. Even when insulted i just keep my cool. But i hate deceit and lies.
Christianity EtcRe: Religion Complaints Thread (sticky) by Ukutsgp(m): 4:51pm On Nov 29, 2013
Pls i really need this topic on front page.

https://www.nairaland.com/1532144/false-heretic-apocraphal-books-added

thanks in advance.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 4:46pm On Nov 29, 2013
woky: lolz..

His arguing to win and not to learn
on the contrary i am arguing to expose ur lies.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 4:44pm On Nov 29, 2013
Tobit 4:11.
For alms deliver from all sins and from death and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness.

We know from scripture that alms(money or food given to the poor or needy as charity) do not purge our sins.

Acts 3:1-6. Also read matt 6:1-4.

2 maccabees 12:43.
And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead. Thinking well and religiously concerning the ressurection.

Can anyone truly accept that money isn't offering for the dead people? Such a superstitious and unbiblical concept has no place in the bible.

It contradict 1 john 1:7.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 4:03pm On Nov 29, 2013
[quote author=woky]thats why i said u should read with understanding

ok.. Lets read the book Tobit startin 4rm v8"prayer is good with fasting and alms more than to lay up treasures of gold
9. For alms delivers from death, and the same is that which purges away sins and makes to find mercy and life everlasting"

mind you: Alms can be also discribed as mercy in action

note: the greek word for alms in secred scripture is "eleemosyne" as a noun the word eleemosyne means "act of marcy" (atleast you knw that God love a cheerful giver) and dont forgt that the book of tobit was written by a Jaw living in plestine..

I told you to read with understand bt u did not.. [/quote ] dnt twist that verse ok. Dnt worry i would quote it here for all to see. U could as well give me the meaning of purge. And some link will do.

U cud also do well to post where tobit was mentioned in the bible b4 d time of moses 4 me. Since he existed b4 God gave the old covenant.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 3:24pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: I only pointed out the flaw in your post and promised to answer you when you must have answered mine which was there before yours.
So am still waiting for you.
what flaws is that remind me cos i cant see any.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 3:21pm On Nov 29, 2013
So tobit existed b4 d old covenant was instituted. isn't it? That is before moses.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 3:17pm On Nov 29, 2013
woky: dont gt ur point..
what do u nt understand?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 3:16pm On Nov 29, 2013
woky: During The time of Tobit, the new covenant has not come to an existance becouse as at then, they only observ convanant which requires constant offering of sacrifies for atonement of sins.

Now see what Luke 11:41 says
"but rather give alms of such things as you have; and, behold, all things are clean to you.

If you have time, Read Acts 10:2-4 to undestand more.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 3:09pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Oga are you reading your imaginations into my post.?
I said alms giving is a kind of sacrifice and you cleverly turned it to animal sacrifice.
I will gladly answer your questions when you must have answered mine.
what kind of sacrifice? Let me know then.

U didn't answer all d question in that post too.
EducationRe: ASUU Dismisses Fg’s Threat To Sack Lecturers by Ukutsgp(m): 2:56pm On Nov 29, 2013
Fg is joking, it really shows he is nt ready to release the money for the funding of our ailing institutions.

Strike should continue until that money is released. No money no resumption. Time 4 joke is over.

Let's see hw d threat goes.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 2:30pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: You personal view again and It doesn't change a thing without proof. Sorry about that.
Thank God I've not gone extra-biblical since we started and you are already agitating, If I do, that means you will run wild.
everybody knows that even you. Stop pretending.
Who told u i would run wild.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 2:25pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: A false speech made out of fear.
me afraid? U must be joking. Let's watch out
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 2:24pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Do not panic it is not a do or die affair ok? Just keep and open mind and be truthful. Stop hiding behind mummy and accusing me of things I know nothing about.
u are funny. Ok i will keep an open mind
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 2:21pm On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Let me give you a straight answer again and watch you shy away from truth.

Your question here is a very simply one to answer, the book of Tobit is in the old testament before the earthly existence of Jesus Christ therefore salvation then is largely dependent on works and sacrifices of which alms giving is a part of it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that passage
You saying it means one can buy salvation with money is your own misinterpretation because alms giving does not always deal with money.

I have answered you now answer mine.
Is tobit in the new testament?
Will you mentain it contradict the apostles' teaching?
Is the teaching of the apostles in the old or new testament?
Did you now see that you are intentionally being biased?
tell me when does arms giving becomes part of animal sacrifice use in making an atonement. Show me where the bible said that giving of arms can purge one of his sins.

In all the places 'arms' is used in the scripture, can u tell me how it was connected with the sacrifice of animals?

If arms is not giving, can u show me where it was used to mean the sacrifice of animals?

Can u tell me also were tobit was mentioned in the old testaments and when he existed?

Why do u and woky said a different thing?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 1:23pm On Nov 29, 2013
woky: pls read Acts 10:2-4 pray to the Holy spirit to guide you when reading
how does the arms' giving purge cornelius of his sins in these verses of scripture. How does it atone for his sins? Do u know the meaning of 'purge' and 'atone' at all?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 1:05pm On Nov 29, 2013
I wonder where all of them have gone to. Maybe they are doing more research to defend themselves. Anyway, no problem, when u finish ur research we would continue.

But here is a link u can read too. Just be reading this 4 d mean time. We shall look at it later.
http://www.studytoanswer.net/rcc/rvb_apocrypha.html

but let us finish with the content first. Because there are lots of issues there to tackle.
PoliticsRe: An Open Letter To Governor Oshiomhole by Ukutsgp(m): 12:40pm On Nov 29, 2013
cramjones: This is why there is little hope for development in Nigeria. We all want Nigeria to be like America, the UK and other developed nations. If everyone claim to be widows and hawk on the streets against the laws what do you want the governor to do? Have mercy based on excuses.? Granted his statements were not the best...but wait a minute we all flip out when we are angry. Nigerians are too religious bring...everything they will quote the scriptures or Quran. A society never develops like that. This has nothing to do with Mercy. Your Bible tells you to obey the law and respect authorities. If we continue like this Nigeria will Never develop.

i ask the question what do Nigerians want. You call for the arrest of a corrupt minister (odua) people say it is ethnic victimization. El-Ruai demololishes houses that are blocking sewers and are out of the master plan...Nigerians call him devil...Nuhu Ribadu jails proven corrupt people, they say it is political witch hunt. I have no doubt that Nigerians deserve the kind of leaders they have...For 90% of Nigerians to crucify Oshiomole for simply trying to make his state rid of all the rot and road side hawkers that stains the beauty of the city. Your open letter is nothing but rubbish! We should learn to obey the law and leave sentiments or widow or widower aside. We can't continue like this as a nation or the Nation is destined to sink!
so what do u want those widows to do? All those hawking to feed are doing what they can to survive. Is the governor nt seeing them? Are there jobs in benin. Is benin nt a pitiable state?
PoliticsRe: An Open Letter To Governor Oshiomhole by Ukutsgp(m): 12:25pm On Nov 29, 2013
ngozievergreen: Sb shd furnish me with the link to that video
girls so much like abbreviation. Waitin self.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 11:14am On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Nay man, but you will need to go through it from the 0 page to get the detail.
let him read it very well. I am waiting here. And try to invite the others cos only woky cant do the job.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 10:41am On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Lol intentionally gave that last line because i know you can resist responding to it but you won't want to be humble enough to handle the questions on that post.
Did you now see how truthful you are?
whether it was intentional or unintentional the glaring fact is that u people are following the roman traditions and nt God.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 10:36am On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: Lol intentionally gave that last line because i know you can resist responding to it but you won't want to be humble enough to handle the questions on that post.
Did you now see how truthful you are?
the men u mention are the prophet of God and God used them to do diverse miracles.

But i dnt see hw the smoke from the heart of fish and liver place in the fire precribed by that evil book of urs can chase away demons. It is purely occultic to me period.

And if u claim that the apocrypha books are inspired of God then u must b ready to defend all the issue that i will raise concerning those books. Or else, u will agree that it was a mere fiction made by man and have no bearing with God.

We will deal with d historical aspect later but now, let us deal with d content first.

I know that u will invite italo later cos ur strenght won't carry this alone.

D apocrypha books are books written by false prophets and agents of satan to discredit God but they hv failed woefully.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 9:23am On Nov 29, 2013
Sal C: @OP So all you want us to do is follow you blindly on which ever issue you raise and when you are proven wrong you dodge and come up with another issue? Tell me, all the issues you raised so far what are the conclusion?
Is the book of 1king not false and heretic?
Christ using concoction to cure the blind, is it occultic?
Is praise ordered by God as the only means of casting demons away?
Is God confined to a particular method when performing miracles.?

If your method is to keep evading glaring truths then I will only say you just want to criticize and not to seek truth, then you can carry on with your wish.

I am not here to win an argument but to seek truth, I don't know about you.

The bible is not my final authority in matters of faith it is a trusted guide, I don't know about you.
to me the bible is my only guide. U people are just following mere tradition
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 9:18am On Nov 29, 2013
I know they would hv to invite you in this because they cannot match me in this very question. But who will i invite now?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op):
woky: During The time of Tobit, the new covenant has not come to an existance becouse as at then, they only observ convanant which requires constant offering of sacrifies for atonement of sins.

Now see what Luke 11:41 says
"but rather give alms of such things as you have; and, behold, all things are clean to you.

If you have time, Read Acts 10:2-4 to undestand more.
and tobit was alive during jeroboam revolt. It did nt say sacrifice but giving of arms will purge u from ur sins and make u earn everlasting life. Was the term ''everlasting life'' ever used during the old testament? Does that book of luke u quoted shows that the arms u give can make atonement for ur sins? What can make an atonement for sins? Answer this once first? And lest i forget who through sacrifice make an atonement for his sins before the coming of covenant instituted by God during the time of moses?

Is it the new covenant or old covenant u are talking about?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 7:20am On Nov 29, 2013
I have more than twenty issues to raise from those books u people have added to the bible to support ur barbaric teachings.

It shows the aprocrypha is man made fiction. GOD have nothing to do with it.
Those books are written by false prophets and satan's agents sent by him to discredit God. But they have failed woefully.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 7:12am On Nov 29, 2013
Hw can giving of arms purge one from his sins? Hw can one buy everlasting life with money?
I know u will nt answer this one?
If u cant answer it let me go to the next one.
No need for delay.
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 7:05am On Nov 29, 2013
[quote author=Demain_man]You are the miserable one if you ask me. I said i am happy in the Catholic church you said i should not be huh

You are the one who has been opening threads against Catholic church all over the place. Did you see me open any thread against Redeem, Winners or any other mushroom churches? The fact is i don't care about your church and your life.

If you want to evangelize, take a plane to Afganistan or Iraq. I guarantee you, you will be beheaded for God before the end of this year cheesy

Don't hid behind the www and talk rubbish. I won't like to be in the same heaven with annoying people like you! SMH for your ignorance[/quote]i have only opened one thread against the catholic and this is the second. Why are u then accusing me that i have been opening threads against the catholic all over the place. And by d way, is it nt good to expose the false doctrines u people propagate all over the place?
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 8:42pm On Nov 28, 2013
Didn't God say that we should praise and give him worship? Ur question is really funny
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 8:38pm On Nov 28, 2013
Sal C: Note that I never undermined the efficacy of praise, but my question is, was it ordered by God? Is that the only method of casting out demon?
my point is u should show me other method than the once i hv pointed out. Is praise a bad thing? Why wont God support it
Christianity EtcRe: The False And Heretic Apocraphal Books Added To The Bible By Catholic Church. by Ukutsgp(op): 8:28pm On Nov 28, 2013
Sal C: I had wanted you to stick to the old testament since the apocrypha is part of the old testament but since you've entered the new testament, I will still oblige you,

I know of Jesus using concoction to cure the blind.
I know of the Apostles' handkerchief curing the sick.
I know of Jesus casting demons into swine.
I know of paul raising the dead by lying on him.
I know of the apostle casting away fortune telling spirit from a girl in Jesus' name.

Does that not prove my point that God does not have just one method when performing miracle?
let us not debate this too much cos even u know what i am talking about stop shying away from it. People that did miracles in the bible did it through the supernatural power of God. But this fish heart and liver thing chasing away demon is false. GOD is never involve in this. It is an evil concotion that is being prescribe in those occultic book used by witch doctors.

Should i drop the next point why these books are false and nt from God?

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